Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - BIG NEWS: Tour Dates, Our Book, & Life Updates

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to a couple things. With Sean and Andrew. Today's podcast is all about our book. That's right. This has been something that's consumed us for the last three years. Yeah. And it's so fun. The last three weeks. The last three weeks. I've been a grind. That's right. Writing a book is a grind in and of itself.

And then telling everybody about the book is a whole different grind. And we stayed up until 2 a.m. last night coming back from New York City. We got to wait the kids up, which was fantastic. But we also made some new friends up there. We got to sit down with Joe and Serena. Sean and I are big Bachelor fans. And Joe was an icon on that show. Serena was amazing. We got to do a couple other interviews running with Kate. Yep. And we met her and her husband Jeremy. We did. Women's and Men's Health. That was a fun one. New York City, NBC, live in the morning show. We went to Chicago, the music. and saw Whitney Levitt, Mark Ballas.

That's right. Which was amazing. But we have been in the thick of the grind of the book promotion and pre-order sales, and it has been so much fun. But to take you back three years ago when we got pregnant with Bear, so even longer than three years ago. Yeah, slightly over. We started writing the book then and would spend countless hours on the phone,

kind of like talking through our thoughts with like a professional writer and then he would write down ideas and we would write down ideas and then it would come to you know more thought out ideas thank goodness we had the writer yeah I mean it again three and three and a half years we've been doing this and we're excited for it to finally be here so we wrote a book it is called the courage to commit embrace the radical power of sticking with something and you might be asking why did you write a book first and why did you write a book about this topic second and uh we want to write a book because Sean and I now have been making content online for 10 years and we're going to I think we still will make a like a video about this on

our main channel just the trajectory and the arc of the responsibility of that uh of of having people who follow you online. I'm not saying we're like special in any sense, but there are people who follow us online. And we take that as a serious responsibility. And so it's really fun to make the short form, you know, videos where we do challenges. Podcasts has been something that's been so amazing for Sean and I.

But a book for us was a way that we could really package thoughts in a different way. And writing a book is such a different experience. Sean's done four. This is my first one. But you get to think about a topic for three years. And you know, for podcasts, we put together scripts and we have the show planned out. But for a book, it's like this long experience with that where you're thinking about this thing day in and day out and then you're adding this and removing that idea. And oh my gosh, is this a well-rounded deal? and when we thought about why people follow us online, the through line through athletics

with Sean's Olympic gymnastics career, my football career, our fun, you know, relationship-type videos and podcasts, business-type stuff has kind of just been like, okay, they had they, I feel like people love our playfulness. And the playfulness for us is rooted in this idea of like, we're just committed to what's in front of us. So that's why we wrote the book and that's why we wrote the book about commitment and we're excited that I actually think it turned out freaking great.

It's so good. I think it's really good. I think the book is really good. We just finished last week. We told you about this doing the audiobook, which is a really rare form of torture because you just sit in a room by yourself and read, start to finish your book out loud

in a way that feels like storytelling. Yeah. And we didn't write a short book. There's a lot of pages, a lot of hard, big words in there, too, that your brain can comprehend, but your mouth can't say. Yeah, try to say peculiar.

You could think about peculiarly as a word, but I can't sit. My mouth cannot say peculiarly or peculiarly. It just doesn't, is that right? No. Procure or. No. Anyway, the audiobook's going to be a great thing

for you all to listen to, clearly. And on top of that, we've just been having such great conversations with so many people about, again, kind of like Andrew is explaining the why behind it. I think one of the most interesting things about the topic of commitment and why we wrote it. We always say it's like an exploration of the word because we have not figured out, you know, the secret to life by any means. But we are tired of hearing people in the world promote this trendiness. of the opposite. You know, life should be hacked.

You can hack your way to success and to joy and fulfillment. And you can read a self-help book and all of a sudden be the best version of yourself. And our world just promotes this instant fix and instant gratification and everything. And the world will tell you and social media will tell you,

if you can't find it on the first try, or if, you know, the person you're dating doesn't make you fully happy immediately for, and it's like eased and whatever you have isn't right. And I think why I'm having a hard time explaining this is why it was so hard writing this book is articulating this belief system that we have, which is this stick to it. Stick-to-itiveness. There you go. That's another word on the book.

is something that is so good and it works and it pays off and it's not cool and it's not sexy and it's not trendy and it's really hard to explain but we have spent so much of our life hiring and working with some of the wisest people I've ever met doctors psychologists you know thought leaders of the world who have helped us hone in our specialties in our life by doing these practices and systems and through it all this commitment was or like commitment as a word and as an idea was the through line of it all and spending three years trying to make sure that each chapter explained itself in a way that made sense and gave you guys a system and a process for explaining what this is and how it will pay off in the long run was really hard yeah

but i will say the odd torture of reading it during the audio series really paid off because I was like, dang, this is really good. All right. Can we talk about the 3 p.m. slump for a second? Uh-huh. You feeling it today? Yeah. I got it going on right now.

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Go to cachava.com and use code Eastpham for 15% off your first order. That's Kachava, K-A-V-A-V-A-V-A-com, code EastFam. I was also really pleased with the audiobook, and I wanted to read an excerpt from the book right now. If you guys want to check out a copy, then you could go to the courage-to-com and pre-order it. We have this whole launch team that's been really fun. We've been doing live streams, I guess, three or four times a month. and it's been fun to meet you guys, you know, on Zoom. And then we ask a bunch of questions.

We get your help on certain things. We make behind the scenes type videos. And it's been a really fun group to be a part of. What's the excerpt you're going to be? I'm curious. You're going to choose one? I am. I am.

So it goes like this. So whatever you're considering committing to. Whoops. This is how the audio book went. That's when the producer would say. say, let's try that again. Because you want it to sound a certain way. I love this excerpt because I feel like it really embodies what the whole book is about like

you were saying. So here he goes. So whatever you're considering committing to, a person, a project, a practice, a dream, we want to leave you with this. You're more capable than you think. Humans are remarkably adaptable creatures who can learn almost anything if they stay in the room long enough. the path forward isn't complicated pick something that matters start smaller than you think you should

show up more consistently than feels reasonable be kinder to yourself than seems necessary and when you want to quit which you will probably around thursday remember that feeling like quitting and actually quitting are two very different things we can't promise it will be easy we can't promise it will always be fun we can't even promise it will work out the way you hope but we can't promise you if you practice the art of commitment, if you learn to find the sacred and the repetitive and the profound and the mundane, your life will be richer for it,

richer in depth and meaning and the quiet satisfaction that comes from knowing you are someone who stays. I love that excerpt. I think it's good. And it's like what Sean was saying, there are results that you get by sticking with something

you can't get any other way. And there's no shortcut. And I think about it with Sean's, gymnastics career she spent you know thousands of hours practicing a single skill and it was like she kept showing up failing failing on certain skills that she were trying to learn or succeeding every once in a while with skills uh with our podcast we've made 400 episodes it's like I don't know is our podcast even good who knows but we've kept showing up for it and we've won awards for it and gotten on all the charts and whatever and it's like that that happens but

by just continuing to show up, you continue to engage with the thing, you continue to learn, you fail, you get back up, you tweak this, you iterate that. It's fun.

And like, with our marriage, we've had the same marriage argument, thousands of times, literally we've had an argument about one subject in our marriage, dogs, I feel like is an argument

that we had before kids, like, I would say 100 to 200 times. And you look at yourself, you're like, I can't believe we're going to have the same conflict

over the same topic. But it's all about failing. You show up. You stick with it. You tweak something about me and how I'm approaching that argument. And then like, boom. Next thing you know, you make it through that conflict.

Next thing you know, you make it through a dozen conflicts. Next thing you know, you have a wonderful lifelong marriage. It's like, obviously, an oversimplification. But that is kind of how Sean and I approach life. It's like, we got a goal. We want to let, we want to have like, we want to pursue athletics. We're not going to get discouraged. by failing. A couple of

thoughts that that brings up. When we started writing this book, we were approached to write a book years and years and years ago. We even had publishers who said, we'd love to write a book with you. Just tell us what it's about. They're like, do you want to write a memoir? Heck no, we're 34.

Like, we have so much of our life to live before we ever write a memoir. Or, I mean, it's very, we probably never will. Who wants to listen about our life? Do you want to write a marriage book? No, we're still in the thick of marriage. We're still trying to figure it out. We aren't preachers in any capacity able to do that.

But it is fascinating. Having been doing this podcast for almost eight years. Having been doing. Yeah. Words. We're running out no sleep guys. Your eyeballs are moving slow. This is how they look.

Like, like, yeah. We did a 20-hour day of press in New York City yesterday, and then I went straight into a four-hour shoot this morning. So I'm all sorts of looping. You're crushing it right now. But having done this podcast for eight years, we have had the privilege of interviewing so many people. And to a certain extent, we have a lot of data points

and a lot of knowledge and a lot of wisdom from so many couples and so many professionals on one specific category, which is marriage and relationships. And it comes down to this. You wrote this down. It says, we started to realize modern life gives us endless exits and almost no encouragement to stay. I read that and I think that's exactly why we started the podcast.

I was so frustrated back in the day and still am by the world's narrative of if you're not happy, just go somewhere else. and we live in a world with so many options and so many people encouraging you to just swipe to the next best thing because it's easier, it's quicker, it's faster, and it'll make you happier. This person annoyed you? Swipe to the next person. Swipe to the next friend, swipe to the next. Yeah. Everything is disposable. Everything is exchangeable. Everything is, you know, so, Easily replaceable, yeah, in today's world. That we've lost the beauty of depth.

And I think a lot of people are feeling very, very restless in our world and in our time because everything that they have is so superficial and they're lacking that depth. And we live in a world that is so consumed by screens and, you know, quick fixes that I think we have forgotten how to find it. and what we are absolutely so spoiled because we've had this show and because we've gotten to sit down with Arthur Brooks and all these amazing people we've learned firsthand that there is such a joy and a purpose when you can find depth. Yeah. And I say all this to say our why and writing this was we for the past eight years have. been mentored by amazing people to find depth in our lives.

We've gotten to hear all of these stories. And we've even shared with you how 10 years ago we did goal setting for the first time because we felt restless and we felt lost. And we had mentors that came into our lives and kind of stewarded us to find the values of our life. And we have all these direction points keeping us from getting too distracted by options and keeping us on our path to find depth. Now we got to write about it.

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our show in the drop-down menu that follows. Well, we have a good grasp because once we started seeing our decisions through the lens of commitment, we realized that the things that brought us the most joy were things that we've committed to well. And often the things, what I mean by that, committed to things well is like, man, you have a big, crazy, we talked about delusionment. Like, you got to be delusional. You have some delusional goal. Let me just give you a couple. You want to start a business and be like, run your own thing because you have a vision for how that business could improve the world. Or you have a delusional goal, like some crazy, huge goal of competing the Olympics, or starting YouTube channel, or having a marriage that lasts 60 years. These are all crazy big goals.

You've got to commit to them. And like, you don't, you don't know what that process looks like. It's daunting. It's scary. There's a lot to it. But that's what brings meaning, whereas, like, it's bigger than yourself. People use that phrase often, like, oh, my gosh, yeah, I don't. I was so invested in it because it's bigger than myself. And that's something innate to the human experience, I feel like. But also we've understood the topic well because we realize that the things that have brought us most frustration and when we're most self-deprecating or like beat ourselves up or feel the most empty is when we've committed to something that was smaller to ourselves.

So like what does it look like to commit to something that's bigger and yourself? it was a really fun thing to unpack. And may I walk through the chapters, the chapter title? So some people, Charmaine in the Facebook group, said that she's pumped about this book because it's like a companion. It's a good companion to a lot of the self-help books where it's like, hey, here's the hacks.

This book is almost like the way to implement the things that different self-help books say, which is like, no, you got to, it's not about what diet, choose. It's about sticking to one of the diet. There's a be a bigillion good diet. If you're trying to be healthier, there's so many good diets. But it's not about which one specifically you choose, like getting all worked up about, is this a right one for me? No, no. It's like, no. If you do one of them for a long time, it will work. And anyway, so it's like the companion pack.

And we have been releasing early chapters in that Facebook group. We also have recorded a whole slate of different videos as like tag alongs to the concepts in the book. But the book is structured in three parts. So it goes, why, what, and how. And the book starts with why. So we wrote this book about commitment because we feel like it brings, commitment brings calm, which is a chapter, joy, chapter, depth, mastery, and meaning. Yes. So that. So that. So that. So that. So that. So that. So That's the why of commitment. The what, like, what is it? Or what do we commit to?

Those chapters are clues, values, which is a really fun one. Sean and I have done a podcast on that. Love the unknown. And then endings, which, you know, we wrote a book about commitment, but we also realized that you don't want to just bash your head against the wall. If something's not working. And there's definitely times where you need to uncommit or croon things. We say in the book, too, every yes is a no to something.

So the more you say yes to, the more you say no to other things, which is good. So we explain how to uncommit to something, to prune from your life, to, you know, pour more effort and time into the commitments you have, not to overextend yourself by choices. Yeah. And it's this constant iteration of like, okay, I have a goal of leading a company. I thought that was starting my own thing, but now I realize I'm better as a part of an existing team. Whatever. There's like iteration. Then it's like understanding, not getting discouraged and just being open to failing even at that meta level.

But then the last section is the how. And those chapters are boredom, going public, environment, mentors, which is super good. Metrics. That chapter made me cry. That's your favorite one. It made me cry, I think, because that's a big chapter about my dad and what he taught me. I literally cried in the audiobook. I don't know if they'll include that or not.

I hope they do. Belief. That one got me fired up that chapter. Inevitably in commitment, there is this innate trust or faith or belief of, hey, if I do this, if I show up to gymnastics and practice this skill, day after day and week after week and month after month and year after year, I will continue to grow. we're not saying we're not saying that you will for sure make the Olympics what we're saying is you have to have this belief

in making it to the Olympics that inspires you that inspires you to show up today and tomorrow and whatever and then it's costs and then the last chapter is grace because we have we all fail in commitments that we make

and having grace for yourself and others is fascinating also one of my very favorite things about this book that makes it very creative and different than any probably any book that I've read, not to tutor on horn.

This was by desperation that we had to do this, not by, not by, you know, our, us being good at what we do. But Andrew and I, if you guys have followed along on the podcast for a while, you know this firsthand. We have very differing voices, tones, ways of, you know, articulating things,

ways of thinking of things. Our voices are very, very different. And so when we were writing, the book, we brought in a third writer to help us with that because... Shout out Jimmy. Yes, Jimmy Sunny. Yep. Trying to blend our two voices took a very, very long time to figure out.

And at the end of the day, we could not blend them at all because we had differing beliefs. And so we actually separated them. So the way the book is written is you'll see like my face and you'll see my specific font. And that is me writing the chapter. It's my voice, my tone. my ideology, my theology, my everything. It's all the good parts of the book. No, stop it.

And then contrast that to that chapter will end and the next chapter will start and it will be Andrew. And it's his stories and it's his failures and successes and his ideology and his tone and the way he approaches it statistically and data points and stuff from your psychology degree. Mine is very emotion-driven. So it gives you so many different perspectives on each category and topic, which turned out to be such a pro.

Yeah. Because we have great stories that are good listening to. And then there's like the science to give insight into those stories. So I was really, really pleased with how it turned out. So yeah. Yeah. It was good. I'm not done yet.

No. Unless you want to be. No. But I was just thinking, I actually, I feel like this book is, something that I would want our kids to read when they're old enough. I think it's for like people who are in transitions. I think it's for people who have big goals. I think it's for people who, you know, are in relationships. It's for people who are fans of us. Yes. But I think it's for a broader audience than just that as well because, um, because it's just about like sticking to something

and showing up. Well, and I'll say this very honestly. I'm a very harsh, very, very harsh critic. I'm very hard to please. Really? Yeah. And I was so incredibly skeptical going into this book. Not in a bad way about like our ability to write a book. But like I said earlier, trying to put into words our life and think about it in a way that almost like we have the audacity to think someone wants to read this, you know?

Yeah. And is it going to come out in a way that is for everybody? Maybe our life is truly just for us, you know? Yeah. And how we operate. And we reread and rewrote these chapters hundreds of times. We went through so many edits and so many stories where it was like, take that story out.

There's no reason for it to be in there. Maybe we should put a new one in there. Is that a good story? We're talking about sourdough bread. I literally talk about sourdough bread in the book. Talk about bees. We talk about our failures. We talk about things that are very, very vulnerable

and then things that are very beautiful. And it was just, it's a terrifying process. And through the whole thing, I just felt so skeptical. And ever since we started, ever since the audiobook, and then ever since we started doing the press tour, I have been fascinated to hear interview after interview. People are like, this is such a good book. And I'm like, it's really interesting.

The amount of times I've been like, like, you read it? And they're like, no, I read it. I'm like, what do you mean you read? How did you get a book? Did I send you a book? Yeah. And I get so confused and like defensive. I'm like, there's no way you read the book.

And then we had a producer from NBC live. She was like, I literally started crying reading this book last night. And I was like, our book? Like, you read our book? And she's like, yeah, I try to read everybody's book that comes in. But like, this book was so good. And then to get Tim Tebow. response and him say this is actually like a phenomenal book that every needs and I was like

what is happening no but by far the biggest point of encouragement for me was dr. deloni yeah who you all love listening to him roast me live in our counseling sessions but he was like dude this is such a timely book for for this day and age where I don't I'm not trying to say I know this is not We stumbled into this, but it's also, Jimmy helped us out in taking all of my nebulous thoughts and actually making sense of it and taking your stories and actually finding the theme of it. And I'm like, I'm honored to be a part of the project. But it is so fun, like to hear Joe from The Bachelor or the NBC host who's in a different stage of life or Arthur Brooks or Tim or. The fact that Arthur Brooks complimented this book, I wanted, I think I wanted to throw up on this box. I was like, are you just saying that?

But I do want to reiterate, like it's, it is not a self-help book. No. It's not a how to book. It's not a, here's our prescription for life. I think what I learned, it kind of is. I'm not telling people that they have to do this. This is something that Joe did yesterday. He was like, he was like, he was. He's like, dude, it actually helped me, like put vocabulary to what I, like, how I want to live a life. For sure. I'm not telling people that you need to live it. But I think having, Sean and I, I realize, have a distinct style of living life. And like, we are. And one that we don't necessarily share on social media.

Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. But we don't show not to, and we don't, I don't mean that in a sense of like we're trying to hide it. but like we have so many um quirks quirks quirks habits rhythms things that we intentionally do day in and day out weekend and week out that protect our the things that mean most fulfillment yeah the things that mean most of us and I think that's why it feels relatable on social media and people are like oh if only I could find someone like Andrew it's like no there's actually like there's strategy behind that.

Like Sean made this version of A&A. No. No, no, I am 100% serious. That's actually an interesting thought that we've talked about where it's like, there's a million different parallel universes where maybe I don't end up with Sean and she doesn't end up with me and then like we're different people. Okay, I've been thinking a lot about this lately. Where does resilience actually come from?

Like, we all talk about discipline and training and committing to things and pushing harder, but what actually determines how well your body bounces back. Wow, yes, because for so long we've focused on workouts and protein and all the obvious things. But what we've been learning recently is that a lot of it actually comes down to what's happening inside your cells. Exactly. Every movement your body makes depends on energy at the cellular level. And at the center of that are the mitochondria, you might remember, from elementary school. And those are basically the little energy factories inside your cells.

If those aren't working well, your muscles can't perform the way you want them to. Yes. And the wild part is that as we get older, mitochondrial function naturally declines. That can affect your energy, muscle strength, endurance, even how quickly you recover. That's why we've been really interested in mitopure from timeline. It contains something called urolithin A, which supports a process called mitophagy. Basically, it helps your body clear out, damaged mitochondria and support healthier ones. so your cells can produce energy more efficiently.

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Mitopure now starts at $71 when you subscribe at timeline.com forward slash EastFam. We've committed to each other that has made us this thing and it's like there is no, I wish I had that. It's like, no, are you in that relationship for what it is or are you not? But anyways, I realized writing this book that we have a unique style and it's a highly disciplined rigid structured life, which is, I think, inspired by our athletic upbringings. But not everybody lives life like that. And I'm not saying they should, but I'm saying we're kind of extremes that might be helpful to learn from. I learn from extremes just because you're like, oh, I would, that's too far for me, but I do appreciate X, Y, and Z about this. The goal setting

that we do every year or the metrics. Like, I measure everything. Maybe that's too much. Maybe you don't need to. I'm not saying you do. It's helpful for me. It's led to more intentionality for me. I know that when left with an unstructured schedule with uncommitted time, I'm going to sit down and be irresponsible.

And I'm going to scroll on social media or turn on Netflix or whatever. And so I don't say that we're busy. I say that we're fully committed. And it's like on our schedule, we're committed to date night. And on our schedule, we have church. and we have like a day of rest of doing the things that mean the most to us. That's not busyness. That's like, no, we're in my mind using our time the way we want to.

And it's highly structured. But hopefully, hopefully y'all are able to learn something about it. So thank you for the feedback. If you want to join that, the pre-order launch team group, then you could order a book. And then there's a link on that Courage to Commit.com. landing page where you can like get access to the Facebook group you put in your order number and then you'll get all the behind the scenes videos the pre like the bonus videos that we made um the early access to chapters and be a part of the conversation in that sense um i'm pumped

i'm so pumped uh another thing we are going on a very small tour we wanted to prioritize honestly not being away from our kids too long so we're doing four cities and four days and four days we're doing June 7th in New York City at the City Winery. We're doing... No, no, sorry. June 7th is in Nashville. Yeah. At the City Winery. June 8th is in Philadelphia. June 9th is a launch day and that's when we're in New York City. In New York City at City Winery. And then Chicago, June 10th. Yes. We are doing small venues. We're trying to keep it very intimate. There aren't going to be a lot of tickets. We have released some tickets already. In the show notes down below, you can find those city tickets,

but we'd love for you to join us. It'll be fun. It'll be a hangout session. There might be some food, some drinks, conversations, and maybe some celebrity guests for asking some of our friends to come out with us. Yeah, we've got to talk about that because people have asked us to be guests in those cities. I have a couple ideas for Nashville, by the way. It's going to be fun.

So, yeah, you can find the link for that below. But all this media that Sean had been doing has gotten us excited based off the feedback. So we're going to be talking about it more. And we would love for you guys to be a part of that conversation. But thank you for listening to today's episode. Probably going to go. No, we can't take a nap. We got to go to bed at 8 o'clock tonight, I hope.

Yeah. Is that realistic? No. Going to a Thomas Wrette concert tonight. I can't wait. Also, Thomas Red's coming on the show. We got it? Lockdown.

Yeah. He asked to come in. I was like, he asked. You asked to come in, what for us? What is going on? What is happening? But we love TR. He's incredible. Okay, that's all we got. Thanks for listening. I'm Andrew. I'm John. Until next time.