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Episode Date: October 24, 2026

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Special Forces episode 5. It's getting so good. This one was intense. Holy smokes. This one made me reconsider if our season was hard of all. Two of these guys got screwed him as episode. Completely screwed. Also, it would not surprise these two guys tap out before they hit the next day because what was that?

That's a bad situation. All right. If you're new here, We're doing the recap for this show, Special Forces. You can watch on Fox or Hulu after it airs on Thursdays. Sean and I did it together last year. What a right it was. And the new season is on episode 5.

And the episode wakes up, starts with everyone getting going and realizing that their body is destroyed. They thought they were superhuman. They thought it was going to be easy, but they're feeling it now. And how many well do they start with? 15. Okay, so they're down to 10. You see Matt Barnes, the NBA player, say, my body's worn. He was like, I thought I was super humid.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's so humbly. Also, for them, they're in the jungle. You see all these glimpses and you even hear, it's like 106 degrees, high humidity, bugs. I feel like we, being in the desert, we had some reprieve of just like not having some of those elements. But this one seems like it's taking it told. Listen, they filmed the show in extreme conditions, what it now looks like.

They filmed it in freezing cold weather. They filmed it in the jungle with moisture. We filmed in the heat. I think all have their pros and cons. Yes. I think any contestant might have preferences on where they might go. For sure. One huge con for the desert that we were in

was the desert long. Yeah. The kind of desert cough that people got. You're just inhaling dirt, sand, dust, 20 more stuff. Which four or five people had to leave the show for. So I agree that the jungle is savage. But there's pros and cons to each, you know what I'm saying?

I will say I do believe this to be the hardest season yet. You also see early on, I love when they cut to the DS storm, our barracks or whatever you would call it. And the TS are actually like talking through how people are doing, what's going on. You hear Rudy say, say five, people are getting worn out. everything's getting hard and he says people don't have the same pop so it's there it's like the time of the show where with exhaustion now they're going to start pushing people pushing their button and they start talking about Oliver yeah and Oliver kind of stepped into his leadership role um they they wanted to see how he did in their role so they may have due to recruit and due to recruit kind of rallies everybody he's the chain of command between the DS. in the other recruits.

There's a bunch of communication that's required. You kind of have to be dialed in and like hyper vigilant with making sure that all the canteens are filled out of the bags. And it seemed like he actually did it well. Like it shows clips of him talking about the armbands. He seemed like people were a little annoyed by it though. No, it was all like I think he did it. Like he talks about playing the role of a character

and his high conviction and commitment. So I think he approached it with kind of like a comedy type approach. And it seemed like it was received well. But when you get assigned duty recruit, so the DS, whether it's, they'll change it every day or it's, there's a random cadence to it. You might be a duty report for multiple days or the whole time. They're basically assigning one person to be everyone's voice. And the DS give you all of these rules as do your recruit as to how you can address the DS. If you need something, your hours of operation, what they're expected of you. Basically, if anybody does anything wrong, it falls on you. You become like the team leader. Yeah. It's like an intense role. Yeah. And they kind of highlight you and separate you in a different way because they're testing you.

Like if you've been in an arm band, they're like, do your fruit. Why then you tell him to get his arm band? That's right. One note I made was they talk about shared suffering and how you can't create that. Like you can't pretend that. So their goal with this episode of Seams is to create shared suffer. As soon as I heard them say that, So this is in the DS storm.

We're talking about shared suffering today. It's going to be like shared suffering. I, there was literally a pit in my stomach. I was like, oh, no. Because the shared suffering challenges that we did are the worst. You're basically in pain for long periods of time, struggling, suffering. And there's no way, like, there's no way out other than just like keep chugging along. That's right.

But we then roll into the rappelling down. apartment complex. Yes. Okay. So we kind of of the episode set up in Act 1 and then they do

the apartment complex repel. The thing that set out to me here was as the recruits, they're in teams of two, as they're on the edge repelling 100 to feet

above the ground. That's when Foxy says here's the look at your high value target. I know. And they see it for three seconds or whatever and then he pulls it away.

And I bring that out because it's just important as a viewer to realize, oh, it looks like they're just sitting there still as the recruits. But your physiology as a recruit in that moment is so heightened that like you're not just looking at a picture like you normally would. It's just like a whole different situation. So this whole challenge is set up where if they arrived this giant 23-story apartment complex, they go to the very top, they're in sets of two.

they have to repel down 12 floors go to the 10th floor get off and then do this like what do they call it high value enemy

yeah high value target something they basically are told very quickly directions so under high stress they're showing a picture of what their enemy looks like and they say repel down 12 stories get off I'll give you the directions of where to go then.

Gotta take a left so that's the second door, you're right. And if you aren't listening to this stuff, they will say it once. They say once. And you better be listening and paying attention. But remember, you're like so much adrenaline going. If you're terrified of heights, you're just like afraid of your mind. So one by one, you see these pairs go, and they're supposed to like follow these directions, knock down a door, and detain, capture something, their enemy.

But what they don't realize is. in these rooms that they're knocking down, there's multiple people that they have to, like, search for. There's one guy who, like, launches himself at all of these people. Which, by the way, it will never not be funny. They're running to the hallway as soon as I fincered

and they have the little door hammered, you know, like the baton or whatever you call it. And it's just gets me every time. Then you have these novices with these real tools and implement doing these real things like trying to fendominy.

off this guy that they didn't know. There are a couple of their roots who really went after. They saw the first one they showed. The guy got just bald. And he like wasn't biting back. But okay. So in the entertainment business, one thing I've learned having married shown and kind of got to introduce all this is you have different departments in our entertainment.

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So they, like, capture him and take him out and then Billy gets best. He's like, it's a fool. Well, this is another one I made was, you never know if the, the DS are going to compliment you or yell at you. So at one point, he says, he'll agree up. He says, you've identified the correct target.

And you think he's going to, like, reprimand him for something, but then he ends it well done. And you're like, oh, my gosh. Yeah. You're on the edge of, did I do it right? Did you not? Also, one thing that I'm noticing more and more. And it's just this weird feeling when you do something like that, or when you do this show, is as a recruit, I mean, You are at 1,000 out of 10.

The funniest thing is, like, these recruits are literally jazzed out of their minds walking through this apartment complex trying to find these people. And you just see Billy walk along side of him. Just chilling like a village. Just walking. Because to them, it is truly such a coaching moment where they're completely under control, right? Yeah. But you're just so high. I don't even know when I explain this, like, dynamic, but for them, this is not actual war, but for the recruits, it feels like it.

Yeah. And the Diaz do a great job at CUAA, though. For sure. Another Hallair's unscripted moment was when Hannah and Alexia busted down the wrong. Oh, my. Just imagine. Let's just imagine that there was some innocent family in there. Minding their own business, all of a sudden the door gets defeated.

And you're like, oh, my gosh. But as far as personality and character development, I think Oliver really did step up, and he was super encouraging the people and kind of rallying the troops. Hannah mentioned that she says when something bad is going on, she's going to crack jokes.

Which I wanted to talk to you about. I totally get where she's coming from. And how do you interpret that style? Something bad is going on, you crap a joke. I think you and I have had this conversation many times for a couple days. Part of me loves it because it like disengages the seriousness of it right for a second to where you can like take a breath. But I do think in certain scenarios, you and I have had conversations where if you crack a joke, sometimes if it's like I feel like it's so serious and you're joking, I don't feel like it being acknowledged.

or not taking as seriously as it's supposed to be? I don't know. I feel like, especially in the show's situation, to crack a joke, I think, just makes the whole thing small.

It means they're not actually embracing how serious the concept of the show is. But let's just say that it was actually a bad situation. And she cracks the job. Let's take the show out of it. I think it's, in my mind, I would say, me it's completely dependent upon situation.

But I think it's okay to make someone smile. But I think it depends on who it is and how and why. I'm asking because literally every level of football that I play, like I yelled at by coaches for smiling too much. And I didn't smile to make a light of the situation that wasn't light, like, in college football, the coach's jobs are on the line, everyone's invested so much to get there, it's a serious thing. Yes, I know, and I'm going to invest what needs to be invested. To me, though, it always helped to, like, in my own way, not in

crock and jokes, but, like, to just ease the stress a little bit that I was personally experiencing by making light of something, you know what I'm saying? And I just heard her say that. And it was like, oh, that's interesting. Because I did interpret it in this situation. I was like, I don't know if that's appropriate. And then I was thinking, wait, I do this all the time. And then I was trying to figure out when is it appropriate, when is it not?

I think the answer of when it's appropriate and what is not is unfortunately 100% based on social awareness. All the little million subtle cues. Yeah. Because like I was the same. same cell of competitor as you as far as like I was always smiling I was always just out there having fun but I also knew that in the context of the Corolli Ranch my job was on the line if I packed a smile online does it does it help you though to increase stress levels by not taking a breath and smiling does it help your performance

No. It doesn't. The smile or the not smile. If you're at the Corollary Ridge, trying to make the Team USC, and it increases your performance by smiling. Yeah. Would you do it or not?

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After you purchase, please let them know our show sent you. Would you do it or not? I couldn't. Oh, so it wasn't about performances about what was needed or what? It was about the atmosphere of what I was in. I think maybe. You and I are circling the same answer, which is you're reflecting on what was appropriate in your career or not. You and I were a part of teams.

Because of that, we don't have that say. The coaches set the tone. And so it's our job to fall in line. On the show, Foxy and the DS set the tone. It's their job to fall in line. If Foxy allows... The recruits job to fall in. Yes.

If Foxy... There are moments where Foxy was. crack a joke with us, you know? Right. Which would be a little flag of like, oh, maybe this is a disarming moment where there's banter. But as a whole, let's assume that we shouldn't crack jokes. So maybe a hot take within NFL career and college locker rooms are like, maybe you weren't following the order to which your coaches. No, that's super bad.

I've never had that thought of my life. I always approached it like, hey, let's stop and smell of the roses. And gosh, it's a beautiful day out. Let's appreciate the fact that we can work really hard, you know, and we can smile about that. Look, he has a shirt tucked in silly. Another analogy.

Okay. We teach our children different house, different rules. Yeah. If we go into someone, if we go into someone else's house, we don't make the rules, we follow them. Yep. I think that goes for any situations.

Does that come off as subservient to other people in a way of it? It's like a power dynamic? I think I should. In the house situation? I think it's respect. Oh, this is interesting. I think that's the definition of respect. I agree with you.

I think I agree with you. Going self-sacrificial enough, humble enough to be subservient. But how can you, how do you intermingle being fully? Yourself? You and like confident and not trying to be so, I don't know, hyper vigilant in that way. Are you okay being completely yourself at the expense of other people's values, morals, respect? I mean, while you just sit right now. I know.

Like, all of these situations we're talking about, the specific examples, homes, teams, DS, those completely have power dynamic roles. If I'm going in someone else's home, I have no power there. I shouldn't. I should be a subservient. On a team, if I am a team member and not coach, there's already a hierarchy. Yeah, play. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely formal on the team.

In the team environment, this is the head coach. He's been hired to do that. In the house environment, it's more etiquette. Mm-hmm. But does that change the severity of the different dynamics? I don't know. This is interesting. So to be, if you walk into someone else's house.

It's their house, their rules. but if being truly you is keeping your shoes on because it's truly you see I think I'm separating that like for sure I'm doing whatever shoe thing that's semantic but if it's hey you can't smile in my house I don't know

I don't know I mean I said it depends why I'm at that person's house I feel the smile reference to football you're being too blanketed I think maybe the issue was smiling. It's not that smiling was not a law in college, but maybe you did it at the wrong times. I'll take that feedback. Thank you. Maybe if you said to realize I might have done that,

and you're like, oh, I thought I was just trying to bring the vibes like a doofist. But we all learning growth. So I also think you have a phenomenal reputation for never having crossed a line. Yeah. Just having a different stop. I appreciate that. Okay, this is good. What a fruitful conversation that one. Okay. So we get through this high value target. The high value target thing. Half of them passed. Half them didn't. In my honest opinion, this is a hot take, you guys. This felt very similar to a challenge that we did as well, which was

in an apartment complex. We had to climb a ladder, go in. Oh, it was the Deadman's Walk where I was? Postman's walk where you're doing the ladder across hot take no postways walk was across the canyon the balance saw across a ladder where we had to go across a ladder yeah hot take is there are challenges that are definitely

harder than others this one was not one of the hard one I think you face fears hard of what sense yeah I don't know because people failed it so why why would it not be hard

if people fail one thing I like that Billy pointed out was like So Colin and David brought on the wrong hostage. Yeah. And he was like, you got the wrong person. This could be an international incident of catching the wrong got. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

And it's like. Playing homage to what they're actually doing. Right. And it's not hard to go into a room and find somebody. It's a little different card to go into a room and find the right somebody, though. You know. So that was interesting. Also, that kind of moment of tension that David was going through a hard time after that failure.

Yeah. Colin, you know, they showed clip, however Colin meant it, of saying you should have cleared the room while they're in the elevator or whatever. But then they show everyone kind of debriefing, talking about, man, David really took that harm. And Alexia makes a point, which is so true that if you fail or not, you still get to move forward if she decide to. So one of the big ideas and the big things about this show that I love, which actually makes it kind of psychologically harder, is you can't really get kicked off the show. Every once in a while, the DS will take an arm band. If you're extremely physically underperforming.

Yeah. You just can't do the thing. Or you cross some major immoral guideline or, like if you do something very extreme, they'll take your arm down, which means they're removing it from the show. But that's very, very rare. The premise of the show, though, is, like,

you could technically fail all of the challenges. Yeah. And if you choose still not to quit, you still stay in the show. That's right. But it's up for the DS to determine if you cross the finish line, if you're worthy enough

to be titled, like a winner. So we'll talk about that towards the end. Which they did show a clip of them of the DS in their own barracks and they say they're going to be briefing how that first event were in there like I think so-and-so passed today, which was the first indication I got that they are keeping an internal scoreboard of this person's passing even though David failed. He passed the day, which was interesting. So I feel like a lot of the narrative of this episode was about David Charbet and Oliver. That's in. Oliver, they've kind of covered before.

They've done his interview early on. but they say let's bring in David because they want to talk about him if as he was beating himself up so much they bring him in my general takeaway there was no like one point to take away from the interview but my general takeaway is like solid stand-up guy super yeah I mean he has this massive production he does when he watched yeah like I mean that would be the biggest show

one of the biggest shows of the century Literally dating Pamela Anderson was a big part of it and then he talks about how his father left his mom or he was even born and so when he started having kids he stepped away from a show business and was like I would be with my kids and yeah no he said he kind of as he stepped away from business he lost his identity and depression and he's there because he wanted to go to the end and he mentions this idea of dedication that he wanted to have as a friend father. And it was cool to see that paralleled by his seeming dedication to the course and wanting

to go to the end. I kind of like, I just love how they weave that story in. Like, he's dedicated to the course. He's really bought into the whole thing as you heard him being bought into being a father. I just like, he spoke with such self-awareness. Yeah. He spoke with such like a reflective tone of like, this has happened. I have gone through this.

And because of that, I'm going to do this. It was just solid stand-up. Self-awareness and, like, he had resolved it all. It was true. He had, like, come to a piece with. For sure. And then I love that they press him and say, well, why are you here? And he's like, I want to challenge myself, whatever.

And he said, I want to make to the end. And I love that they just pressed and why. And I think you have seen over the course of the season, people get asked this question. Why are to hear? and to a certain extent it trips people up a lot of like try to find some deep meaning even for us I had a hard time answering it sometimes I was like I don't know how to

wrap my head around it but I thought you put it so beautifully and he just gets the end and they're like why and it was so simple but I don't know why it was powerful he said I just don't want to quit and I thought that just kind of my body so much that he was really I was just like respect

room for him now yeah and so is David sitting there with Billy and Foxy who weren't to you guys I had my interview and it's like it is such a I was just so cool

to be there and you see them encouraging him you know that they never do outside of that room Billy says that you can build a lot from mistakes

yeah and back to the you don't get off the show unless you quit it's like they really are It's such a cool thing that they give you so many opportunities to fail, and it's so many opportunities to build from those mistakes and failures.

Then David also talks about how the show of Baywatching did was really kind of a family. And he talks about how special forces is a real brotherhood. And it's an incredible team of people. And I'll just reiterate this time to time again. It really is such a bond. We still have our group chat going from our season. then we have like a every time we go to some cherry event and whoever's there and did the show you're like you could sit there for three hours it's a lot about oh my gosh if you believe it's so and so do you

wouldn't believe they didn't air this part no my gosh it was crazy just so fun it's it's it's shared suffering yeah the bonding that happens there okay so we fast forward challenge two you guys it will be talking about challenge two all the way into next episode because it was that long This was insane. This was not supposed to happen. I'm trying to what. Not supposed to happen. There's no chance.

Okay, so we're having all four DS on the show, whether we put them in four separate episodes. He are having all four DS on the show. All four have agreed. So I really want to ask them if this was intended or if it was just kind of how it happened. But this is shared suffering challenge. This is just like suffer.

It's not fun. It's long. A lot of times these challenges will last a couple hours, all in, you know, with every single person individually going. You could tell this is a long one. Like this is hours. So they get dropped into the middle of the forest or the jungle, whatever you call it out, or I don't know what the technical difference is. They go on this long, it says a mile trek. But the mile, you guys, you see them in the first two minutes in like knee-deep, hips, deep.

Slogging. Sludgy mud that they're getting stuck in. People are losing their boots. They're getting stuck and having to get pulled out. Candice, being like the little thing, she gets like literally stuck in the mud when we're trying to pull her out. And they're doing this for a mile.

They track through this for a mile, which you can tell people are like gas. They get to a camp. They're told you need to clean up every single thing and leave it untraceable. make it seem as though no one was ever here. And it's heavy stuff. Awkward stuff.

We did a similar one. You thought this was similar to our casualty carrying? I thought it was more similar to the truck kit carry. Yeah, probably. And then also kind of the sickener that we did on the second to last niss and want to vomit. And the reason that they do, that we're relating it back to our season is because they are similar type of challenges and obstacles. because this is based on the actual special forces selection. So they take the actual special forces selection,

which is templatize as well. Then they break that down into challenges that, yes, it'll be a different country, different building, whatever. But this was similar in my mind to the kicker that we did. And you're just grinding and you don't know what it's going to end. Today's episode is sponsored by Noble. Our recent family travel confirmed something. Getting three kids through an airport is basically a team sport.

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The finish line surprises you. So we did a kit carry where we got in these cars, drove them. They were filled with all these metal boxes. I wish we knew the right names for this stuff. Yeah. Like ammo box? Yeah. That weighed anywhere from maybe 25 pounds to 125 pounds.

There were probably 50 of them. And you had to transfer them on our season, probably, 400 yards, 800 yards, just one at a time individually. And it just gasses you. And I remember after we finished hours thinking we had crossed the finish line. Then we went into this hour long suicide hill run with like planks and pushers. And it's just like it's a gasser. And you can tell it this is when was intended to be something like that.

They just keep going. So they get to camp that's thing all of that. They're carrying all these really, really heavy things. Which are kind of uncontained. Yes. So they got jackets strapped around here. You're like random gas containers and may or may not have a handle, tires, and you're like, it's not like carrying a tidy barn doll or like a Tupperware container, you know.

It's awkward. It's uncomfortable. And this is where you see like legitimate pain for the first time. I think on his season. Like you see these people's faces and they are in agony. Says then that all ever. A breeze, like, I freaking hurt myself.

Everyone just die. So this is when Oliver Hudson scene comes up and this is, it was a hard, exposed a lot, I think,

but Oliver starts struggling just to get to the extraction point where they're dumping all the hard stuff, the heavy stuff. That's right. I show an interview where he says, I can be a leader, but I want,

I'm selfish and I want to do what I want to do. Yeah. So I think you can see for the first time him struggle with that. So he's carrying a bunch of heavy stuff and he can no longer carry it. his kit that he's carried. I've already stepped up.

I was shocked by this that Oliver had him do this. Like, just didn't say, no, I got it. I'm not going to let some other men take this from me. I'm out. Like, no events. I'm like, he's one of the larger men. Yeah. There, and there's all these women

who were suffering. And they're, and I'm like, everyone's suffering. You think you're suffering the most to where you need to require someone else to pick up. Yeah. Which, like, that's what a team is for. I think about empathy.

And I also think about, like, this healthy version of pride where it's like, no, I'm not going to let you. If you're going to carry it or you're asking to carry it, absolutely not. I will just continue to suffer. I'm not going to put that suffering on you. It's like, I have too much pride to, I don't know, that's like a embarrassing as a way I coast of mind. I think I just had a hard time watching it because it was like not a single one of the other people had to offload. and to see him offload as, yeah, the leader of the group at that moment was hard. So they finally get to their extraction point.

They drop all the heavy stuff. Everyone's completely toasted. It was an hour-long trick back. That's insane. Yeah. That's a long. And then Billy says, DSQ, did they get everything? And I was like, even if they did, they're going to find something.

Yeah. Yeah. And DSG says, no. And they direct the question directly at the leader that they've assigned, which is Oliver Huntson. And they say, what do we do now? And he says, someone has to go back for it. The way he said someone has to go back for it.

My job was on the floor. And so Billy was like, what do you mean someone has to go back for it? And he's like, someone else go back for it. And Matt volunteers himself. Dog. Dog. And then date. David.

But before this happened, this. This was like happening in Slowmore for me. I was like, oh my gosh. Matt says, I'm going to go. And Oliver says, yeah, go. And Billy starts screaming, wait, you as the leader are going to let him go by himself. And Oliver says, oh, yeah, yeah. David, you go.

And Billy goes, what? He said, you are the leader. I think I wrote it down somewhere. And Oliver says that he ran out of gas And he could kind of tell that he was getting emotionally Yeah, Finn And I did I guess I missed him calling David to go

Oh he like called him to go And then Billy's like pissed off And he's like, you're the leader And you're sending other people And Oliver gets snippy And he says, I would be a liability Yeah If I went

And you just see Billy With pure sarcasm and rage say great leadership and Billy takes off with them but I I was shocked by this I was like you just had someone carry all your stuff your gas you are the

you've been assigned the leadership role so you know they're testing you and you now had how many chances to step up and you didn't take any of them it's tough to watch that moment happened it's tougher now knowing how that whole song

this shit works this gets a word it gets away Okay, so then Matt and David go running back and they've got an hour long truck back to camp okay

now the rest of them are waiting and as they're waiting some bomb goes off and then all their cars pull up and they have to load up in there they have to load up in it yeah and they're loading up and as they can do right to peel off

to Oliver's credit he says is anyone staying back with the boys they say no so he's He stays back solo, which they do make, they did for our season, make a huge party. On day one. With always having a buddy for everything, whether you're going to the bathroom, taking a shower, going to get food, going to see the medic, whatever, you're always with someone. You are never allowed to be allowed.

Yeah. They reiterate that over and over again on day one of like, special forces are never allowed. Yeah. So he's allowed. And DSQ comes up, but he's like. what are you doing? They get into it. That was pretty heated.

Wait. Okay, so first of all, they mentioned previously that someone was stressed, I think, yeah, someone was stressed about not remembering

to bring their canteen. Matt Barnes, forgot his canteen. Oh, no. Matt Barnes. This is why I'm really concerned. I hope he's okay. So,

but Hollander pulls out his canteen when it just is a cue. DSQ's roasting him. Yeah, they're in the middle of the heated conversation. Takes a sip. Then the DSQ swipe it.

And it kind of hits face. It's to his face. I don't think he's into part. He's in his face. So Oliver Cotting is hit in the face, which is jarring. That's jarring. That's jarring. And then the SQ doubles down and keeps yelling out.

And then Oliver gets slippery. We have to ask to you about this. Oh, man. Oliver was trying to get in Q's face, though. Yeah. Because Q was even doubling down on like, why wouldn't you step up for your scene? Why wouldn't you have sacrificed yourself to go back to camp? Because everyone's toast.

And he's like, I'd be a liability. I was, I was, you know, and everybody said, like, not okay. And Q's like, okay, show me. Show me what's not okay on you. And he's like, no, I was tired. Yeah. He's like, you don't think everybody else was tired? Yeah.

It was a rough thing. I was like, oh, boy, go, that's crazy. Yeah. I yeah I was crazy I think about it was valiant it was a valiant effort

by Oliver to want to stay back and be with the guys yeah but he kind of made a bad thing worse yeah I think about

how can I prevent doing that in my life it's just oh fun and well well but just like what's the what we're wrong like he just he couldn't zoom out

and see the bigger picture he couldn't zoom out and remember these basic rules he was given. I'm like, how do you not make a bad thing worse even when you're like eagerly trying to help? And then also when he's getting chastised, as Q says, this is a separate thing for me to noodle on. Like, there is a certain etiquette to receiving feedback, you know, in our marriage. We give and receive feedback a lot and we have a, not, not, I mean, obviously not. I'm about say something else on the topic.

Obviously not yelling at each other, but it's like, well, hopefully. Definitely not like that. No, no, no. That's not where I was bringing your feet towards. I know, but the, I think the right posture, the right etiquette to have when you're getting chastised or when you're receiving feedback is to take a breath, think about it. Either say, thank you, or I'll think about that,

or I'm sorry. It's just so as much as you want to do it, very rarely is a very response to snip back. I was just going to say, because you're alluding to the etiquette, there is a very specific etiquette required in this particular situation of authority, you know, military and recruit. You are to stand out of time. attention and take it. Which Q kind of walks us through what the etiquette.

He says it, like, this is what you do when the instructor is yelling at you, which is what he did when his instructor was yelling at him in actual seal trade. And also that's not the first time Oliver's been told this. Like, you are taught all this very much on the day were. Okay. I only believe we're done with this interaction. But that one kind of concludes for the episode. Yeah, but I don't think it's done.

Right. But then it cuts back to... Man, David. You guys, I am really. concerned about these two. So they're walking up, they're walking to the mud, and then all of a sudden they come across the river, which we, we never really saw the river. I think they get lost.

Yeah. I think they actually got lost too. Yeah. And then it talks about the mud on the riverbank, and then it shows them, well, they're like considering swimming across the river, right? So they're once on the-on- They were starting to talk about. I was like, this is a terrible idea. Also, we never saw.

If you didn't cross a river on the way in, they might have. Maybe. Maybe. I would assume, yeah, I assume everyone would be soaking wet. But then they get in the mud on the way to the river and they get stuck. And then they start talking about, first of all, they're already tired. So you're tired. Now you're stuck in mud. And you're working. I feel like you're probably three or four hours in already. 100%. Thank you to Home Chef for sponsoring today's episode. Our children treat dinner like it's a brand new event that takes us by surprise every single night. They'll ask what we're having at 4.30, reject three ideas, then announce that they're starving five minutes labor. That window between school activities and bedtime is already chaotic enough. And Home Chef helps because dinner is decided before we reach the point where everyone is standing in front of the refrigerator negotiating. Home Chef delivers fresh pre-portioned ingredients

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We had a map and a whole kind of pocketful of required must have items. Zero people use the whistle in our season. So when they say blow the whistle, we're also talking about Matt, who has been carrying the team on his shoulders. Who hasn't had water this whole time. Oh. And then David, who's like, doesn't want to quit. He's like, we got to blow the whistle. They're stuck.

They're tapping out. They're like, we need help. But then it cuts to them blowing the whistle. And Rudy, being like, it's time, it's been too long. I got to go get them. And I actually feel like I noticed for the first time on camera an actual switch. Rudy was a little scared, dude. I don't think it was Rudy.

I think it was Rudy in his element. Does that make sense? Like, it was no longer... Saving, he would actually saving them? Yeah, because you see him blowing the whistle and, like, Zonin, and he's, like, listening, and he hears him, he's like, yep, got him. He's going up and over this, like, rage,

and he just switches into a tone of... It was almost like when Q on our season saved... Yeah. The Evo the way under... But it was like, it was so calm. It was so direct and so just like, authoritative. Like, okay, you will stop.

You will listen to me. We will get you out of it. It was just like it didn't look like the show part. It looked real. Not everything is real. I don't mean it that way. Like, literally everything is real. But I don't, I think this was in a situation they weren't expecting.

And then you hear Rudy say he gets him out out. of the stuff mud. And he's like giving him directions. He's like, this is about to be a long night in the jungle. And you see that. Like a storm is coming in the water. And it's nighttime. It is now nighttime.

And they kind of start fast forwarding through what looks to be them having trekked for hours. And the voice says they still have eight kilometers to go. How lost did they get? And Matt, Matt is on the ground. It looks like he's done. Oh, my gosh. David, I'm just like. And then it shows clips of the people back to the barracks.

Well, then there are a while. And, yeah, it's not a good situation. And I think it's actually really not a good situation. Really not. I don't know how you come back for it. I don't know how Matt and David come back from this and not tap out if there's like another challenge. In my mind, the only thing that makes sense is like Matt and David get back.

and everyone else has to pay for it. Like, hardcore. Or Oliver. I can see them doing that too. But you remember the very first scene of this episode was Matt saying how his body already felt bad. Right. And then I think it was Matt and David.

Matt, don't top out. And, like, these guys have been steady Eddie so the whole season, and now they get just, that's a pinch that they're in. But I'm like, I think they're, I don't know. Everybody else is gasped after the three or four hours of this challenge. Bree says that was actually the hardest thing I remember done my life

yeah and Alicia Baumgartner who I would arguably say is like the most fit assay there was done for and then young Alexia who's young is saying like she feels like she can't move so tell me how these two guys are about to come out

from an extra six plus hours of grinding and just fall back into line I don't and this is when I was saying to you. Not that it's unfair, but I can only imagine and I only believe that the quote unquote fair thing to do now is to beast everyone else crazy amounts. I mean, we have a lot to afford to the next episode, how this saga ends. Also, the relational dynamics of how they interact with Oliver.

I haven't seen him yet. It's going to be interesting. Do you think Oliver VW? before he even gets back to camp? No. I could see, I could actually see the DS pulling Oliver's arm band in this situation. I agree.

Given how this has gone. And that would be new, you know. The episode was like really entertaining. And then this happened. And I was like, this might be the best episode of the show there ever has been. I think next week is the perfect week to get a DS interview. All right.

We're going to work on that. that's all for this episode. We'll see you next week. This is really fun. Do you have any other closing clock? Guys, this is news y'all, and you haven't watched it yet, watch the season and go back and watch the rest. Because I think it's just going to get crazier or crazier in every season and every episode.

It's insane. I love the show. And if you're asking, or if you're curious, if Sean and I usually have these kind of conversations around shows that we watch, yes, we do. If we're going to watch movies or show, shows. We will de-rate. We're going to try to have some personal takeaway or some philosophical conversation, so it's fun. Thank you for joining us for this conversation. That's all we got. I'm Andrew. Until next time.