Creating Confidence with Heather Monahan - #286: How To Get Motivated When You Aren’t Feeling It, With Heather!
Episode Date: January 11, 2023In This Episode You Will Learn About: Hear the top hacks Heather has learned this week from interviewing countless founders and billionaires for upcoming episodes. Be reminded of some of the mos...t simple hacks to get what you want but you’ve probably forgotten. The simple 4-step process to living your best life this year! Resources: Overcome Your Villains is Available NOW! Order here: https://overcomeyourvillains.com If you haven't yet, get my first book Confidence Creator Check out my reel and let me know what you think Watch the Vous Church sermon Show Notes: We always forget how strong we TRULY are. Take some time to reflect and cheer yourself on; you’re capable of way more than you know! I recently injured myself and I’m finally back to my regular schedule, and it feels GREAT! I’ve been chatting with some incredible guests for the new year, and it reminded me how important it is to actually focus on the PROBLEM instead of just on the solution, a top hack from Billionaire Founder of WAZE. Your positivity will be contagious and attract even more success!
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I'm so glad you're back here with me this week.
Okay, first of all, I just wanted to mention something that I just had this revelation
myself about, which is how quickly we can forget things.
It's terrible.
So let me give you an example.
And hopefully you can relate to this in your own life.
I threw my back out right before I got fired, I was 43 years old, right?
So it was five years ago.
I threw my back out.
I was losing my hair.
I was a hot mess.
And it was because I was working alongside with someone that hated me and was making my life miserable.
And I wouldn't walk away from it.
So she ended up having to fire me.
Cut two.
The point of this is I was in so much pain.
When I threw my back out, it was insane.
that was worse pain than having a C-section and giving birth, no doubt, for sure. And it went on for a
really long time. It wasn't something that healed really quickly, right? So, and I am sure anyone
that's listening right now that's had back pain or back trauma understands us, it's probably,
I mean, it's definitely one of the worst things, right? So to that end, I remember I had to stop
working out for a while. And I am one of those people that working out for me is like my saving
grace. It is what I look forward to every day.
I get so excited about it, right?
That's something that really makes my day and makes me feel amazing and proud and uplifted.
You need to have something like this in your life.
It doesn't have to be working out, right?
For you, it might be meditating or gardening or, I don't know, drinking your morning coffee on the balcony.
It could be whatever special and resonates for you, but for me it's working out.
So I had to give it up for a while.
The doctor said I could not work out at first.
I could only go to PT.
And that was devastating.
I got big time into meditation during that time because I had to find some kind of other outlet, right?
And then I researched every flipping way under the sun that I could heal my back faster, right?
Like I was ordering every concoction on Amazon electrical stimulants to heal your back done overnight.
It's in my house.
I'm always one of these people that's like, there's got to be a solution.
There's got to be a hack.
And there always is.
P.S.
Okay.
So let's just put it out there.
There always is a hack.
And there always is a solution.
You just haven't found it yet, right?
So I found a couple of little gadgets like that that definitely helped.
They helped get rid of some inflammation and literally found this stuff on Amazon.
And then after a little while, my doctor said I could start going to yoga.
And yoga totally helped in a huge way.
I'm kind of disappointed in me because I have not been into yoga now for, gosh, a year and a half or maybe even more.
So not good, Heather.
I need to get back at it.
But anyhow, so the point is this is that.
So I figured out these hacks, and then I started learning new things, like I had not been into yoga
before, and then I started loving yoga, right? All the, like, this was all new to me. And the
point is this is that there's always a solution. You just don't know what it is yet, number one. Number two,
there's things out there that you're just not familiar with that you might love. Like, I loved yoga.
And now I'm sitting here and I've, like, literally forgotten about it. I got to get back at it.
And so it's on us to constantly be looking and learning and understanding and sometimes remembering, like I'm
remembering yoga right now. I forget about things. Cut two. All right. So it took a few months before my back
healed and then I could work out again. I've never pushed myself to the level I used to work out. I
used to run like nine or ten miles a day. I mean, I was super hardcore doing, you know, boot camps.
And I don't do that kind of stuff anymore just because I decided I don't ever want to go through
something like that again. So I've never pushed myself to that level again. But I still work out
like a madman and love it and do so many fun things. But I definitely.
definitely spin more than ever because it's low impact, right?
It doesn't, there's zero risk of getting injured when I'm spinning.
So again, as you get older, you make different choices.
So cut to after I was injured and took a few months off and your body's going to change, right?
So I lost a lot of muscle during that time.
And so when I got back to running after my back injury, which was probably, I don't know,
eight months or a year later the first time I ever even ran a mile,
I injured my Achilles, not terribly, but I kind of pulled it. And so I started doing research
into why did that happen? And what I learned was it's really all about your calf muscle, but I didn't know
that. I have super skinny chicken legs. They used to call me chicken legs when I was a kid. And so if I'm not
aggressively working out my legs, like lifting dead lifts and lifting from my calves, they get small.
So during that time when I threw my back out, my calf muscles were probably non-existent.
And then I go jump on a track somewhere and start running like, you know, I'm, you know,
prepping for the Olympics. So not shocking that I injured my Achilles. And again, I didn't tear it,
but it definitely, I couldn't run for a while again. Cut to, if you've been watching the show
or listening to the show for a while, you know that a little over a month ago I got hurt and I had
to stop working out again for a month. Well, as I've, over the last week, started working out again,
the doctor said I could work out. I'd been spinning, of course, first. But then the other day, I just
said to myself, oh my gosh, the weather's amazing in Florida right now. The thing I would love to do is
go for a run. So I did, and I went for run. And of course, the next day, my Achilles is killing me.
And I had forgotten what I learned last time, which is when you take time off from working out,
at least for me, I lose a lot of muscle. And my calves aren't really big right now. And I look down and
see exactly why I re-injured my Achilles. So all I'm trying to do is remind you,
oh my gosh, when you go through these situations, whether you get injured or you go through
a hard time, remember the last time it happened to you to jog your memory about what the things
are that worked and what didn't work. I wish I had done that before I went running out the door.
What I would have done is for a couple weeks lifted first for my calves, strengthened my legs,
so that I would be in a better position to run without any injury,
and now instead I'm sitting here icing it.
But first world problems, they're going to get better.
And of course, there always is a solution.
And it's so funny, today I found a really good video online researching the Achilles
injury.
How can you help heal an Achilles quickly?
And I had never seen this.
There's a way that you can massage your own Achilles, which is supposed to help.
Of course, ice on and off and elevating your leg, you know, and taking easy, low impact.
Of course, right, all these things we know, but this whole thing about massaging my calf a certain way and doing this certain wall stretch, which I knew about to, but I didn't do.
So, most of it's stuff I already knew, but I just got to put into practice, right?
How often is that the case?
We know what we should do.
We just got to make ourselves do it.
So the minute you get the slightest injury, you're like, who, red flag, a pump of the brakes, I'm going down a different route here.
I am stretching.
I am icing.
I am not pushing myself.
and I'm back on the Peloton today.
But that's okay because it's still amazing
and I'm so grateful having lost months before of working out.
I still feel really grateful.
And I think that's so important to you,
no matter what challenge you're going through
to know that it's temporary.
I had a bad day the other day
and my son had stayed out too late
and I was on such little sleep
and I was just frustrated.
You know when you're like mad but for nothing?
You know, he's 15 years old.
When I was 15 years old,
I was jumping out windows my parents home, right, going to party.
So I can't get mad that this kid wants to go to a party and I let him go and then, you know, he stays out till midnight.
I'm frustrated because I'm tired.
However, say la be, right?
I'm glad he has great friends and he has such a fun time with his friend.
So I was just frustrated the next day and feeling bad for myself and in a funk and I couldn't go for a run because I pulled my Achilles and, you know, the things I wanted to do I couldn't do.
And I had to stop myself and say, okay, wait a minute, this is temporary.
Tomorrow you're going to feel so much better because you're going to get a good night sleep tonight. Number one, that is game changing, literally. So I'm going to think more clearly. I'm going to be in a better mindset. And, you know, I need to stop this little pity party I'm having. This is helping no one. So I paused. I reminded myself, this is very, it's going to be short-lived. It's one day where I'm not going to feel great. And I can get through it. And I can focus on what I'm grateful for. And that's what I did. And, you know, focused on my health and my heal.
and the fact that my son has friends and he gets to, you know, be with them.
And, you know, just life is so good.
And just like the littlest things, I love flowers.
I'm always getting fresh flowers from Whole Foods.
And I have the most beautiful flowers right now.
And so I'm grateful for those, right?
Like, you could be grateful for so much.
It's just a choice in taking that minute to reflect upon it.
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over the past couple of days, I've had a bunch of interviews for the show, and I'm super excited.
We have some amazing episodes coming up. One of them that you're going to hear in the next couple of
weeks is from the founder of ways who sold his company to Google for $1.1 billion.
And I'm always talking about finding solutions. He's always focused on what the problem is.
And it was so interesting sitting down with him in hearing this reverse engineering way he approaches
things. So I thought it was kind of a cool concept for all of us to apply to our lives,
to our challenges, to our business situations or business concepts or platforms. How can we flip it
and look at it the other way? And it's really eye-opening when you do it. So I can't wait for you
hear that episode. But one of the major takeaways that he reminded me of that I hadn't thought
of in forever was how important the first 10 to 60 seconds are when you meet someone.
literally what he explained to me, and I've forgotten about this. I knew it years ago when I was in my 20s. I remember it was like one of the first thing you learned in sales, right, was how you appear and present yourself and walk into a situation and smiling and hand extended and how your shoulders back and like walking in with confidence, you know, and a strong energy of who you are. That is critical to hitting it off with people so much so. He shared this with me on the show and you'll hear it. He meets with a private
equity and VC venture capitalists. So P.E. and V.C. groups, people who are funding startups and
entrepreneurs. And he asked them this question, which I thought was super cool. He said, you know,
how quickly do you know when a company or an entrepreneur is someone that you're going to invest in?
And he asked, I mean, a hundred of them. I mean, he works with all of the biggest P.E. and V.C.
firms. And he said almost unequivocally, they all have the same answer by the moment they're
opening the door and walking through it. As soon as they see them, they know, how they hold themselves,
position themselves, their smile, like the confidence they have, they know immediately. And when I
challenged him on that, I thought, well, that's kind of crazy. It sounds more in regards to, like,
how someone's dressed or if, you know, how they have their hair. That's awful. And he said,
wait a minute, is it? He said, no, I don't think so. He said, I think it's about gut instinct and how
someone responds to initially meeting someone. And I don't think that's awful. He said, Heather, I think
that's factual. He said, let me ask you a question. If you're going to go on a date with a guy
and how soon is it from the minute you actually meet him in real life, do you know if you're
going to like him or not? And I said, well, that's really fast. You know right away, right? And he said,
oh, you do. Okay, so what's that about? I said, I guess it's gut instinct. He said, okay, another question. How about
this one, how quickly do you know if you're going to hire someone when you're interviewing them?
I said, oh my gosh, the first minute I know. It's very clear to me. Very rarely would I unwind
an answer or an opinion if someone sat down and I loved them immediately. Very rarely would I be
wrong on that. And I said, okay, so that's your answer. And it just, it was a great reminder to me that
the way we show up and walk into situations, we've got to be more thoughtful of because even that
day that I had a bad day the other day, what if I had walked into a meeting all grumpy, bringing my
bad attitude in some way or having lower energy in some way than I normally do? I wouldn't be showing
up as the best version of myself. So I'm challenging you for this week ahead to show up as that
best, brightest version yourself. Put in that extra effort. Think about what you're going to wear.
Think about getting yourself together and getting that smile on and feeling good about who you are
because when you walk in the door feeling like that, people are going to love who you are. I mean,
It's just, it's naturally going to happen that way. And to know how many people are willing to shut someone down if they don't do it, it's worth it to take the extra minute. Okay, I loved his advice on that. All right. And that was definitely one that I had forgotten about. All right. So interesting thing happened in the last week. Go check out my IG. I posted a reel about Catherine Heigel, who's an actress, very famous actress, actually. And she was being asked on an interview. And the interview is old. It was about, you know, how people say she's rude.
And she was defending herself.
This post, it's so crazy, has more views than any post ever.
By the way, it's not me in the post.
It's her, right?
So it's interesting because it already has almost five million views in the last few days.
And I just wanted to share with you, if you're someone who posts on social media or
maybe you're just interested in understanding social media, I'm super interested in it because
it's basically free advertising for your business.
And it's a way for you to build your personal brand, which is an investment in you.
if you're not posting on social media, I strongly suggest you develop a strategy and start doing it.
Hello, Goals, 2003. Let's go, giddy up. So here's what I learned. And listen, the only way you're
going to figure things out is looking at other feeds, seeing what's working, trying to identify what
commonalities or threads that you can pull together and then apply back to yourself. So controversy,
whether you like it or not, sadly in our world, is something that draws people in. And on some level,
this is what I'm, you know, basically deducting from what I've seen on my feed, which I put a lot of
positive stuff up on my feed. This was not that positive. It was a bit more controversial because it's
begging the question. I said something in the actual post about, you know, I'm done with apologizing
for who I am and, you know, I stand up for myself now or whatever and I'm proud of who I am,
something like that. And people, oh my gosh, there's over a thousand comments of people
kind of really harshly having their own opinion. Some very much to one side, some to the other,
meaning some people are very much like, absolutely, you should absolutely own who you are,
no apology necessary. Then just as much on the other side, people are saying, no, this woman is
super negative, and it's not about the fact that she's a woman, right? There's all these different
threads of arguments going on where some people are arguing saying she's only under the microscope
because she's a woman. Some people are saying, no, men are put on
under the microscope too. No, she just actually is rude. No, she, you know, so it's just so interesting.
The controversy, I guess, or the controversial element or argument allowing portion of this is what's
definitely in my opinion made it go viral. However, thousands of people have saved it, which meant,
you know, thousands of people want that reminder to stand up for themselves and not apologize.
That's kind of how I took it. And thousands of people have shared it, which is interesting.
And when I look at the shares, most of it is people saying stand up for yourself, right?
So it's kind of interesting.
But again, the takeaway to me, because I always want to look at things from a data or an analytical standpoint, you know, what can you learn from this?
Why is society so pulled into this?
And it reminded me of the Megan Markle, you know, phenomenon right now in Prince Harry phenomenon.
On Twitter, almost every day, those two are trending right now, right?
So there's so much controversy in their lives because of their Netflix documentary, because of his book coming out and because, you know,
You know, they moved out of the UK and left their, I guess, royal post or whatnot.
There's controversy, and it's very polarizing people.
You're either team, Harry and Megan, or you're not, or your team, you know, OG UK, I guess.
So people are literally having fights and feuds over this, but the bottom line is it's trending now when you talk about it.
So, of course, I'm going to post something about Megan Markle.
Not giving my opinion on it either way, but just putting it out there to see, am I right on this?
from a data standpoint? Is it just the ability to have a polarizing figure so that people,
they want their voice to be heard on that? I'm not sure. I'm super curious as to what you think.
So send me a DM or go to the post and leave a comment. I'll definitely see it.
I'm just interested. It says a lot about our society and this interest maybe in being heard
and wanting your opinion to be heard. But then for some people, I do believe some people just want
to argue. And those are the people you do not want to respond to. I definitely don't respond to.
But it definitely got my attention this week as when you see something go viral to that level,
you got to pause and just think, you know, what does that mean about the community?
What does it mean about people in general?
And what does that say about society?
And what can we learn from it, right?
Good, bad, or indifferent, there's always something to be learned.
Speaking of posts, I put a post up on LinkedIn, actually today.
And so if you are listening to this, please go back and check out my LinkedIn post.
But it said something like this.
Sunday reminder, you have not met all the people in your life that are going to love you yet.
You just haven't.
You haven't met all the friends that you're actually going to have in this lifetime yet.
You haven't experienced all of the amazing things this life has to offer you yet either.
And then I go on to say, this is fact.
And it is.
Because you really haven't.
And I know at different times in my life I thought I had, which is kind of funny because I look back now.
No.
Right.
Every day is a gift.
And every day we don't know.
what's about to unfold, and that is so incredibly exciting. I get so excited about that. Every day,
a miracle can happen. A blessing can occur, and all of that is not up to us, right? It's up to what's
happening outside in the world and what we just might happen to walk into. So it's super exciting.
I hope you feel excited about getting up today. It's far away, you know, and every day. But to me,
I made the point that I have a lot of friends, and I've been blessed with a lot of friends.
I also put a lot of time and effort, energy into keeping my friendships up.
But, I mean, that's like one of the big blessings of my life is that I have incredible friends all over the country.
And I never really thought about gaining new friends.
I frankly think I have enough or too many and that I shouldn't be adding to the tribe.
But when the pandemic hit, I started meeting so many people online that I spent more time with than I normally would have because it was a pandemic.
and we were on lockdown, and I made incredible new friends, brand new friends, right,
in my late 40s on a computer, which is so weird.
And you have to have some really, I think, pretty strong chemistry to have a friendship
on a computer.
It's so weird.
I still think it's so bizarre.
Cut to after pandemic's wrap, I am now meeting so many of these people, and I make it a priority
to meet these people in real life because I want to know them and I want them to know
they're important to me.
And I want them to know they're part of my friend tribe, right?
And they're unexpected.
So they're blessings.
I'm so lucky that I thought I was maxed on friends and I'm not.
And it also opens my eyes to you.
You're not either.
None of us are.
And there's still more friends we're going to find out there.
There's still more people that are going to love us out there that we don't know yet.
And there's still more amazing days, experiences, and adventures out there that we have no idea are ahead of us.
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To this point, I bring it up because this week, a friend of mine I met during the pandemic
was going to The Breakers in Palm Beach, which if you know me, you know, that is my
South Florida headquarters.
I worshiped that place.
It's incredible.
And she messaged me and said, hey, my boyfriend and I are coming down or going
to be here these dates.
Is there any chance you could come up for dinner?
one night. Now, I live in Miami, so for me to get to Palm Beach, it's a little bit of a trek,
right? It's like an hour and a half, or it could be two hours, depending on traffic, it could be
worse. But now we have a train, bright line, which is amazing, which if you haven't taken the
bright line and you're coming to South Florida, take it, it's clean, beautiful, not expensive,
so fast, it's incredible, and you bypass all traffic. So I said, you know what, absolutely,
the train is running again. I can definitely take the train up, and then I'll take an Uber home and
would love to see you. So, you know, I, it's a mission, right? I left Miami, I guess, around
four o'clock or four-thirty, got there at six o'clock or, you know, had drinks and then dinner
with them. And we had the greatest time. And it was like being with some of my friends that I've
been friends with my whole life. We just hit it off and had the greatest time. Anyways, I got home
really late that night. I didn't get to see my son. He was already asleep by the time I got home.
But I was so grateful that we had that opportunity and experience. And these,
These are people I didn't even know two years ago, right?
And now they're really good friends who we were talking about in the summer that, you know,
we could meet up in Nantucket and just these different things that we have in common.
And these are people I didn't even know existed two years ago.
So I share this with you because there are people that are going to come into your life that you're going to love,
that you're going to be so excited to have as part of your tribe and you don't even know them yet.
And that's so exciting.
But you're going to have to make some sacrifices to spend time with them.
And sometimes it's a pain.
And sometimes you have to give up other things to do it.
But you'll need to make those decisions if those relationships are worthwhile or not.
And to me, oh my gosh, they're so worthwhile.
It's so fun.
It makes life worth living.
To that end, the same week, one of my best, best, best friends in the world and her husband
happened to be coming into town for somebody else's party for, you know, another group of people.
But because they're coming into town, of course, I'm making time to go over and see them.
And I was so grateful to do it, you know, when you have friends like that for, you
20 plus years, as long as you can get an hour and hour and a half in with them, that's all that
matters. And it was just, it was incredible to see them, incredible just to have that time. And she and I
were talking on the phone after. And she's like, you know what's so cool is that we just always
make time to see each other, even if it's only for an hour and hour and a half, it just means
the world to me. And I feel the same way. So make time for those people that are special to you.
It doesn't go unnotice and it fills up your heart. You know, you just feel so connected to such
great people who've been there for you through thick and thin, and it's a beautiful feeling.
So remember the people that are important to you, and they're going to remember you too.
Okay, so I wanted to finish with what my pastor had talked about this week in church,
which I thought was really interesting and super powerful, and I'm sure I won't do it any justice
because he's an incredible preacher.
But I like that he was talking today about, instead of saying so good, you know, everyone would
like, oh, that's so good. He's saying he wants 2023 to be our year of saying it's soul good. It's good for
our soul, right? Our soul good. And so if you want to check this out, I'm sure it's online.
Voo Church, Pastor, Rich, he's incredible. Definitely go check it out. His sermon is so funny. He's hilarious.
He's totally relevant. My son loves going to church. I have a 15-year-old that loves going to church, right?
So you have to understand, it's good. It's entertaining. It's a lot of fun. But there's always a great message.
something really special to be taken from it. So check it out. You know, in order to be soul good,
you know, what does that really look like? And he said it starts with having a good heart.
Next, it's about having a good mind, then about having a good body, then good relationships,
and then ultimately, if you do those things, your soul will be good. And he breaks down each one
talking about, you know, if your heart is hardened or full of sin, or if your heart is full
of love and kindness and open, right? And so he got into a little bit about this. He's going to get into
each one of these topics over the next few weeks in much more depth. But it was just like a great
idea starter. I thought that, okay, am I leading in my life with an open heart? Right. Just great
questions to ask yourself and ponder that I'm not typically thinking about during the day. You know,
am I full of love and kindness and giving? Or do I just want to be? Right. Or these real action steps that
I'm taking, you know, to ensure that I do have a good heart. It was just, it was like a great
reminder, a good mind. This was a powerful one. He was talking about how our thoughts lead to feelings.
And so often people forget this, right? Whatever it is you're thinking in your head, when I was
thinking I was having a bad day the other day, you can take that and go down the spiral and
feel so sorry for yourself. And suddenly everything looks bleak. Well, guess what? Then you start
feeling terrible too. And then you might start crying. You know, your thoughts definitely lead to feelings.
And then when you're thinking poorly and feeling badly, that's a tough one to get out of, right?
So that was another great reminder that we can very easily, through training ourselves and discipline, change our thoughts so that we can create the feelings we want to have to be excited and joyful, grateful, and happy.
But it's up to how we are thinking.
And there's so many ways we can do that.
When he talks about a good body, he's talking about, it was funny saying not being on a diet, but, you know,
are you treating your body like a temple? Are you getting enough sleep every night? Are you exercising?
Are you eating healthy? Right. Not just how you look, but to treat yourself as God has given us this
body, how are we caring for it, how are we respecting it? And what does that actually look like?
So again, another way instead of just, I want to get into these cheese or, you know, my body is a temple.
And am I treating it with that level of respect? And that was, I mean, that's kind of a, it's a big question to ask.
Okay. Then good relationship. So obviously your relationship with God. Next, your relationship with
yourself, right? You can't be kind and loving to others if you're not being kind and loving to you first.
And that's so important. And so many people I know in my life have looked at that as being selfish.
And I think I may have as well for a bit, but I definitely understand now taking care of yourself first will allow you to take care of others.
And so it's really, really important to make that commitment. So that good,
relationship starts, you know, with your relationship with God or relationship, you know,
with spirit, the way that you see it in your life. I'm not here to dictate that to anybody.
But then next to yourself and how are you caring for yourself? And then to the people around
you, you know, your children, your friends, your spouse, whoever is in your circle. And then
he talks about, of course, the relationships that are healthy, healing, and elevating and helping
to grow, and then there might be relationships that are doing the opposite, and then how do you
manage and navigate that? And those choices and those decisions will make it sole good instead of
just so good. So I thought that was an incredible message today. It really got me thinking,
I hope it gets you thinking. Hopefully some of those points that he made can get you thinking
introspectively about where you are and what potential, if we're not living up to our potential
yet in any of those areas, what that potential can look like for this year. That, to me,
is super exciting. So hopefully some of this lands with you today. If it does, please share it.
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You know I will be.
Okay, until then.
