Creating Confidence with Heather Monahan - #38: Being a Business Rockstar with Sara Happ
Episode Date: January 21, 2020The Lip Expert Sara Happ joins Heather to share her brilliant entrance into an untapped market and her experience growing an idea she believes in into a massive and successful company. See acast.com/p...rivacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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I'm so grateful that you join me yet again this week.
So this is interesting.
I just got back from the West Coast.
And as soon as I got back to Miami, I had a text message from an old friend of mine in New York who had a great opportunity for a big interview for me and a couple of meetings he asked me to attend.
And I just said, yes, yes, and I'll figure it out.
And I'll tell you, in business, this has definitely been one of the ways that I've been able to get ahead.
No matter what city I go to, I really spend the extra time spending time with people.
not just going to the meeting and running back to my hotel or going running back to the gym.
I always kind of immersed myself in the cities that I go to with those people because those
relationships pay huge dividends like my friend Steve texting me and saying, hey, I've got a big
opportunity.
You were the first person I thought of if you can get here.
This is yours.
And it was such a great reminder to me that when we invest in people, when we go to different
cities, go to different places, they remember us and they show up for us.
us. And that's a pretty exciting thing. And it just also reminds me, you never know what the day holds
ahead. I did not hesitate. I just said yes, and I'll figure it out. It reminded me of the Laura
Gassner interview with her book Limitless, where she texts me a day before and said, hey, I can be
in Miami in the morning. Do you want to come to a party with me on a yacht? And we do the show. And I said, yes.
And she said, yes, let's just do it. And she said, we'll figure out the details later.
and we did. So some of those best moments come when things are not prepared, but really just jumping into knowing that
putting yourself in the space of good people and opportunity creates momentum, which creates more opportunity,
which opens doors, which you are opening. You know, it's about taking those chances and figuring out the
details later. Thankfully, my ex-husband was willing to work out changing nights and make it happen so that my
son was taking care of. I will miss his basketball game tonight, which stinks, but, you know,
in the end, I explained to him. I let him know, Mommy's got a big opportunity, and this is something
really positive for all of us, for my business, and I've got to go after it. And he's definitely
seeing through the action steps I take with my work, what it takes to get at head, what it takes
to build your own company. He's seen it since day one. So I got a phone call from a friend.
of mine, a good friend of mine who I worked with actually for a decade. And he had gone for
an opportunity for a big CEO position. And he had just heard he didn't get it. And he was livid.
He was highly emotional. And obviously there's no room for emotion in business. So when I talked to
him on the phone, I said, hang on, you've got to calm down. First of all, I remember when I went for
chief revenue officer, I had the job before it was ever posted. Any poor person that interviewed
for that job never had a shot. I already had it done. Typically at very high levels in companies,
when jobs of that the C-suite level are posted, it's just to follow the process that legally you need
to go through, but they probably already have their selection 90% of the time. He said, no, that's not the
case in this one. And he was so angry. And he was so angry. And he, he,
finally said to me, I just, I can't get over this. I can't get beyond this. This was the job for me.
There isn't another one. And what I explained to him and what I want to share with you is I get what
that feels like because that's how I felt back to almost two and a half years ago when I got fired
after 14 years at the same company. I was a chief revenue officer. I was fired. I remember that
day feeling what, you know, what next? I've lost everything. And,
I had no idea what laid ahead of me. But here's the smartest thing that I did was I started
seeing it as redirected, not rejected. And I actually have a chapter in my book Confidence Creator
about this. You know, once I started seeing it that way, I started opening my mind to the
possibilities that could be in front of me. Now, the possibilities were massive, right? My book,
my speaking career, the podcast you're listening to right now, my TED Talk. You know, there
my course that came up, I've had so many phenomenal opportunities that have appeared that I didn't know
were coming. And it's because I was redirected, not rejected. I shared that with him. And he said,
well, yeah, that's fine for you, but not for me. And he just, he was so emotional. And listen,
I get it. Sometimes it takes a little bit of time. It definitely took me more than 24 hours to process
things and feel heard and feel emotion. But the more space that you give you.
yourself away from that moment of pain and hurt, the more you can start seeing things clearly.
And when you can do that, you can really start opening your mind to what amazing possibility
could be ahead.
So please choose to see it as redirected, not rejected.
I did finally get my friend's attention when I said, okay, I'm going to have to bottom line
you on this one.
You have two small children.
Think about the example of your setting.
You are teaching them that when bad things happen to them that they didn't,
quote unquote want, that's going to happen all the time, right? To all of us, it happens,
that they need to throw a pity party for themselves, get highly emotional and stay stuck in the
past and stay stuck in what happened to them instead of thinking about being redirected down a new
path. Besides the fact, if these people didn't want you, you don't want to be with them.
You know, that's another key note. You want to be around people that want to work with you,
that want to be with you, that pick you, that choose you, because then they're going to support
you, collaborate with you, respect you. Those things aren't going to happen if they don't want to
pick you to begin with, right? So that's a gift. Those are not your people. We're going to move on
and find your people. So back to his kids, I said, you know, wouldn't you agree that a better
approach would be to show them how they can handle things when negative things happen to them,
when they don't get what they want, a better way to handle it about redirecting and heading a different
direction, being optimistic and hopeful about it and seeing what they can create. And I think
that did end up getting his attention and I heard from him the next day he sent me a note I'm
listening to your podcast in the gym so two things he's working out which is you know when we move our
body we can change our mindset and number two he's listening to information that could impact him in a
positive way choices that we all have every day so I thought that was so cool and I was so
proud of him so glad to hear it so you know I'll tell you I have gotten a few calls this week
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Okay, so once you save that money for you, I wanted to share another story.
Okay, another good friend of mine, someone who I've only known really for the past year
and a half, explained to me about a year ago that he was unhappy at work.
He felt he wasn't supported by the people he worked with.
He felt that he was slighted because of his skin color, his choices.
is basically being bullied and essentially at work and treated differently because of who he was.
Well, that's obviously not a good situation for anyone.
And I had suggested to him, listen, I think that what you need to do is update your resume,
start making some calls, let's take some action steps to get you out of here.
Because if you're surrounded in an environment where that's tolerated, number one, that is BS and not acceptable.
But number two, you want to be with people that pick you.
You want to work with people that lift you up, challenge you to grow, encourage you and
cheer you on.
And it doesn't sound like that's happening.
He agreed.
Fast forward to now.
I got a call from him this week.
And he said, Heather, I've got some bad news.
I said, what is it?
He said, things are getting worse at work.
They're putting more work on my plate, treating me worse.
Here's the thing.
I should have left a year ago when I had this conversation with you.
And what I said to him was, okay, so you didn't leave a year ago.
There's no use beating ourselves up about that now.
here we are today. When is the next best time to leave? And he said, well, I guess today. So that's the thing. So when we
get that clarity, I should have done this a year ago. I should have gone on the diet a year ago. I should
have switched careers a year ago. For me, I look at my life and think I should have switched careers
10 years ago. So having that knowledge is helpful because it helps us make better decisions today.
We can't use that information to beat us up about yesterday. That's gone. But when we apply it to today,
A great exercise to do is to say, okay, if he didn't leave the job a year ago, what's the next best
thing to do now? Leave now. Now, let's look forward a year. If in one year you haven't left, do you think
you'll be happy with your decision? No, we know that. So if you leave today, is it going to be
hard starting over and new? Is it scary? Is it, you know, the unknown? Yes, yes and yes. However,
will we be happy? We took a chance on ourselves, roll the dice and tried something different if we're not
happy where we are. And the answer was yes. So he is taking the action steps to update the resume,
have the conversations and get himself out of that really negative situation, which has gotten
worse. And I will tell you in any work situation, when you start seeing that downward spiral
where people aren't respecting you, aren't following up and communicating with you, you can feel it,
you know what. I think everybody's been there at some point in time. That is a clear indicator
that you need to have a direct conversation to see if it can be handled and resolved.
And if you have that direct conversation and you're not seeing improvement, you're not seeing
the follow up, it may be that sign that, hmm, let me think about this.
I don't feel so good coming to work anymore.
I don't feel so good in this environment.
I don't feel like I'm being chosen and supported.
I'd like to be somewhere where people pick me.
So, you know, that all goes back to being our confident best selves, listening to our
inner voice journaling, taking time to think about what we're doing instead of just going through
the motions.
And that's really key.
I did that for a very long time.
I used to call it, I keep my head down and get my work done, which I was putting limitations
on my vision for business, my vision for my future, and my vision for myself.
These days, my vision is so much bigger when I, to the outside world, it could look like
I've been rejected.
I've been redirected to so much opportunity and I'm able to breathe through challenges,
keep myself calm and centered, knowing that I bet on me.
And I'll tell you, when I interviewed Gary Vaynerchuk, he said the most powerful thing to me.
It really impacted me.
He said, Heather, when you went to that woman's office and she fired you, that's a micro-negative
moment, you know, a small moment, a small headache, meaning you're walking in there.
You know this isn't going to be pretty.
It hurts emotionally.
You're sad.
You know, you're scared about what's next.
But that's just for a moment.
That's a quick moment.
He said macro, and I like this micro versus macro pivot, macro, you're beyond capable, talented
person.
Macro, you're going to be fine.
Macro, you're going to lead your life to a better and new direction.
So I really like applying that micro versus macro.
In any short moment, you know, for my friend that looks like he's going to go in and
lead that job, not knowing where he's going.
That's a micro head.
right it's going to be a lot of activity extra effort trying to find a new job updating the resume
making calls micro challenge versus that macro new life positivity and opportunity that is out there for him
that he's just got to go fine and it really starts with believing in yourself so i totally appreciate
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Okay, so I'm so excited for my trip to New York.
I can't wait to tell you all about it next week and how everything went.
and I'm really excited for you to meet my guest this week.
She's an amazing woman, business rock star, killing it.
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And her net worth is off the charts.
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excited to be with the woman with the best lips, the lip expert, Sarah Haft. Welcome to the show.
Hi. I'm so happy to be here. You have the best lips. I have lip envy of you. Oh, my God.
I do. Because I'm using your lip products. Oh, stop it. I was legit. When I found out that and I,
because I also am very much into due diligence on anything. Yeah. I mean, I should put a cap on that.
But for most things, I really want to understand people who I'm going to meet and interview. You don't want to know all about them.
I was like on Amazon right away because I'm an Amazon girl.
I hope that is okay.
Aren't we all?
Oh my gosh.
And I told you the lip slip.
No, the nighttime one, not the rip.
That's my favorite one.
It's my favorite one too.
And you're not supposed to have a favorite one, but I do.
It's the dream slip.
That's mine.
Yeah, same.
It's so good.
Same.
So I want to get into some good things here and I appreciate you being willing to open up.
And it's kind of cool because we just interviewed Allie Webb.
And I mentioned to you when I met you.
and I had seen, I was stalking you on Insta
on your personal page.
And I saw Allie was showing up
and I was like, oh my gosh, this is a little
uncanny. They must be friends.
So I mentioned to you and you're like, yeah, we're besties.
Yeah.
Well, you know, one of the reasons,
well, obviously, Allie, like you,
has achieved tremendous success in business.
However, I also like the fact
she was willing to show the juxtapose
around challenges in personal life.
Yeah, I love that word, first of all.
It's a great word.
But yeah, it's true.
I can drop on you.
Justipose is great.
No, you know, I think her and I are very good friends,
and I think one of the things that has brought us together in the last few years,
even closer than we were,
has been like our struggles, failures, divorce, you know, co-parenting, anxiety,
just stuff that we both have gone through that's just a product of life
that so many people go through.
And you don't see that in Allure magazine.
Or with Allie, you don't see that when you walk into Dry Bar.
But I think some of the most creative people who create the coolest stuff or who do the coolest stuff have gotten there with some fight in them.
Major.
You know, major failures.
Yeah, major failures.
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, people definitely.
And it's kind of crazy to me.
One of my darkest times in the last decade was getting fired two years ago.
And I'll tell you, I feel like I talk about it ad nauseum.
Yeah.
But I posted about it yesterday and all these people on my Instagram were like, oh, my gosh.
I can't believe that happened to you.
Yes.
And it's so funny that even though you feel like you're being so transparent as an entrepreneur
and showing these other sides, sometimes people just don't even notice it.
No, or they just look at the pictures and they don't read the caption and you're like,
oh my gosh, total fail.
Yeah, no.
Or they look at you and they might see this podcast and they might think that you have all
the answers because you've always had all the answers.
Right.
Like, no, you've created this because you've had some stuff, you know, and like you're,
We're all looking for help and the answers.
And yes, life is hard.
And it's what Glennon Doyle is one of my favorites.
And she always calls life Brutiful.
It's brutal and beautiful.
Oh, I like that.
I like that too.
Very cool.
Yeah.
All right.
So tell us about your brutal start into launching this company.
How did that even come to beat?
Yeah.
So I wasn't fired, but I probably should have been from a company called ESPN.
They do sports.
Familiar.
Yeah.
And I started my career there after college at USC.
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And so I went and I worked at ESPN in Connecticut.
And I was,
I felt so out of place.
I felt like I couldn't be a girl.
If you guys could see Heather right now,
she's like beautiful, blonde.
Like I'm,
I have messy bun getting it done today.
But I didn't feel okay showing up at work with like a blowout and lipstick and all the
heels, you know.
And I always say I was like,
The one guy that stuck out is different from everybody else.
If you walk in there looking really glam.
I did, yeah.
So I really felt like I had to dumb that down.
And this was, you know, 16 years ago.
So times are changing, thankfully.
But I say that I was inspired by how uninspired I was.
I'd go to work every day and be like, God damn, like these people love what they do.
I just do what I do, you know.
It was hard.
And you were reporting back then on sports.
I wasn't.
I don't know where.
That is everywhere.
And I think that's great.
But I'm not.
I was on a report. I worked in marketing.
Okay.
But what I loved was beauty.
That's what I loved.
And I loved girl magazines.
What a lusmatch that you were in PSPN.
I know.
It's what I studied in college.
I did study broadcast journalism.
So I thought that I wanted to be a journalist.
Were you doing that because people told you you should do that?
I was doing it because it was a killer job.
Like you get this job in 2001 from this gigantic company and you take it.
You don't pass that up and say, like, no, I really want.
want to be like a beauty writer.
So I took a great job, but I didn't love it.
It was the right thing to do.
I did it for three years.
But what I loved at night was I would go home and I would like dip tea candles and have
15 different bath products in my bathtub and soak and read a lure.
And that led to, and by the way, being like really depressed at my job, like going to work
every day and being like, oh, my God, I'll pull my hair back in a bun and I'll wear a fucking
suit.
Can I swear?
We'll bleep you out, don't worry.
Okay.
I'll wear a suit, you know, but that doesn't.
actually feel like me. And so I did that, but I kept reading while I was taking these baths,
beauty editors, right, expoliate your lips with a washcloth or a toothbrush. And I was like,
there is a scrub for every part of my body. How is there not a lip scrub? All I want is a scrub for my
lips. The way when I get a manny puttutty, they scrub my hands and feet. Do they have face scrubs,
body scrubs? Like, you know, Allie just put out a scalp scrub. You know, like there are scrubs for everything.
In the marketplace, even though it seemed very simple and obvious. So obvious. There were none.
Google returned no results 16 years ago.
So I was like, I'm going to go to my kitchen.
And if you asked my girls here, today they know nothing happens to my kitchen.
They were over yesterday.
And I was like, you guys can make tea in the kitchen.
There is no food.
So I went to my kitchen and I made the lip scrub in my kitchen with sugar and essential oils.
And I began using it.
I was obsessed with it because it chatted lips.
I had no more chapped lips and my lips looked like beautiful.
I was like, this is ridiculous.
And I had it in Tupperware.
It's still in our office today.
It was like these six little lip scrubs in Tupperware.
And I brought it out to a few stores here in L.A., really tiny stores.
And Reese Witherspoon went into one of them.
Bless her heart.
And she bought everything they had.
And then she let us use her name in People Magazine.
So this was 2006 now.
And a hit in People Magazine back then, think like pre-socials.
media, right? Pre-Face.
I hit in People magazine with Reese Witherspoon's picture crashed my website.
My tiny website that only my mom and my sisters bought from, you know, like my little
cute website.
And so I had to walk into ESPN like that weekend until my boss, like, I did this.
This happened.
And she goes, oh, I was reading that people on the plane.
And I was like, there's another Sarah half out there.
And she's going to be rich.
I was like, I know about that, but I'm her.
So yeah, I left and I
Were you scared?
No, I was so fired up.
I mean, I call it like a beautiful disaster.
It was awful because I didn't realize it was going to take off as big as it did as fast as it did.
But I wanted it to.
Sure.
Like I was gunning for it.
And I'd been doing a lot of like work behind the scenes like finding a lab and no labs would work with me.
Because I was like a girl and not a company and I had this idea and it didn't exist.
So no one wanted to make it.
And I was like, that's why we should make it.
But no one really wanted to listen to that.
They were like, well, we'll make you a lip gloss.
And I'm like, yeah, I have 50 lip glasses.
How did you convince someone?
You know what I did?
I pulled the girl card and I told this guy who ran development in a lab.
I said, okay, take it home to your wife, bring it to the soccer moms this weekend.
Brilliant.
And if they don't like it, don't call me back.
And he called me Monday.
And he was like, Sarah, I have like 12 moms at soccer who all want this shit.
So I have to figure out how to make it.
And I was like, let's do this dance.
And that was it.
That was it.
Oh, my gosh.
That was amazing.
How did you start getting into stores and ending up on QVC?
How did that progress?
Yeah.
So that was a slow and steady thing.
We started with indie boutiques.
So think of like a tiny store at the Brentwood Country Mart here in L.A.
Or a tiny store in downtown wherever you live, right?
Like a female-owned boutique.
And then those are still like our bread and butter today.
I still love the Indies.
like there's one in my hometown that's just beautiful and, you know, they're all, usually they
really are female owned and there's, we love those stores. And then, you know, we got into Nordstrom.
I got into Nordstrom by kind of stalking the buyer in 2008 or nine or something and then Blue
Mercury and just sending a ton of product. Sending it out a product and she was like, I love this
product. But there's another lip scrub on the market right now. She's like, that I know knocked
you off that we carry. And I'm like, okay, take that into your boss's office. And,
And if she doesn't think our lip scrub is as good as what's on yourself, that is a knock off of
ours, then tell me no.
So another larger brand, essentially imitated on some level, your product.
Yeah.
And now you are getting bumped out because of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this woman, Cece, she's still our buyer today.
C.C. King.
Shout out to her.
She's our buyer at Nordstrom in Seattle.
Today she brought it into her office, her boss's office.
And she's like, listen, here's the original lip scrub.
This is this girl named Sarah, who won't stop emailing me.
And here's the one we carry.
Tell me which one you like better.
And her boss was like, done.
Bring it in.
So that was it.
But persistence, obviously, was the key.
And your product being superior.
I mean, those two elements were necessary.
Thank you.
Yes.
Yes.
Our product really does work.
And but persistence, I mean, yeah, we still.
I mean, so yeah, now we're on KVC.
It's amazing.
We're in Nordstrom.
We're like all over the place.
We're in Ulta, you know, which is bananas.
But like, we still have hurt.
and we still get told no or we lose out on stuff that's tough.
Like, it's not all winning.
Right.
Of course, it's not all winning.
Is it scary each time you go to push to get on QVC to launch a brand on QVC?
No.
QVC is fun to me.
It feels like playtime.
It doesn't ever feel like work.
It just feels like, well, three in the morning, it feels like work for sure.
But, no, I just, I can't even believe that I get to get up in front of, like, millions of people
and talk about the stuff that I love so much.
It just feels like playtime.
That's amazing.
You know, but again, there are times we go on and we sell out.
And then there are times when we go on and we don't.
And then you're like, shoot.
Is there pressure then?
Oh, my gosh, I'm going to lose my spot.
I won't be able to come back again.
Yes.
For sure.
Someone called it a, we were with a bunch of beauty people a few months ago.
And someone called it a dog fight.
And I was like, I don't think about it like that.
I don't care about the competition.
I think there's room for everybody.
And I'm going to get up there every time and sell as well as I can.
It's the same way I approach all of our retail, right?
Like we're going to keep putting out the best product that we are all obsessed with that we love that our customers are asking for or that we really want because we know it doesn't exist.
And may the best brand keep going.
Not win, just keep going.
So I'm so incredibly interested in on the process in which you went through to get on because, as I mentioned to you off air, back a year and a half ago, after I got fired, Perry Ellis approached me.
And they wanted me to be a brand spokesperson for them.
We met.
They wanted me to take the brand and make it a live brand and go on to QVC, HSN, whichever, you know, whichever one and really tell a story of the brand and empower women.
Yeah.
So we went through all the meetings, all the work.
It took, I mean, dealing with a billion dollar company like that, they're very slow to move as all large companies, you know, traditional companies are very slow to move.
Yeah.
It took almost a year to build a deck.
We got the deck done.
Went to the pitch.
And they said, Heather, we love you.
We get Y you.
This product line looks like another product we already have on market.
we're not going to knock an existing vendor off air to bring a new vendor on.
So leave and come up with a new product or no.
So that was a real fail for us.
Then I interviewed Kim Gravelle, who's on TVC.
And so after we interviewed, she said, listen, you need to have your own line on KVC.
And I said, oh my gosh, let me tell you a story.
She said, no, forget all that.
Don't partner with someone else to do your own line.
Right.
So then we were working on that.
Then the holidays hit and everything goes dark.
There's like all, I guess my point to this is it's interesting when you're new into a space.
Yeah.
If you don't have the contacts and people don't know you by name, it's not always easy.
Even when you get contacts to just say, okay, listen, don't worry.
I'll sell this thing out and it'll be great.
You know, it's hard to put those pieces together.
So how did you put that together for you to get your product on there?
Oh, yeah.
First of all, you'd be great on KPC.
Like, would you like to want for me?
Because probably so better than I do.
3 a.m.
No, just any time.
That would be great.
So it is hard.
But I think this is where I've learned this.
You hire smarter and you hire people that are, that know more than you do.
You hire, hire, higher.
Like, higher, higher up.
So we brought on, actually, Allie is pivotal to this story because she, a lot of people approach you and say, like, we can get you on QVC and, you know.
Oh, yeah.
I've had that happen to me.
Oh, my God.
And it just costs a small fee of.
Yeah.
Oh, got so gross.
But like, so a lot of people have, you know, approaches for years.
And this girl, Sarah Schaefer, she's our agent now.
And she had reached out to us.
And I had like my head of sales, like vet her.
Shannon, who works with me, really liked her.
And I just had too much on my plate and I didn't get back to anybody.
And then Allie was repped by Sarah too.
But I didn't know that.
So Allie was a QVC with Sarah.
she's like, idiot, why don't you text my friend Sarah back? Like, she's so good and she wants to
bring on your brand. And I was like, thanks, babe. So that was all you needed. That was the
endorsement, though, that I needed was someone who I trusted and loved saying, no, really this girl
knows what she's doing. She's not bullshit. She's not, like, trying to sell you, like, a false
bill of goods. Yeah. Once you've been burned or see that some people are slimy and you can just tell,
and I completely concur with you on that, it is interesting to imagine how many missed
opportunities there are for you or for me in business because we say, oh, that person can't be for
real.
That can't be real.
I know.
I think it's also just like when you sit down with people, right, and you look them in the eye
and you meet them, you know.
Yeah.
And sometimes it's worth taking the risk.
And sometimes it's just not.
But no, we have great representation there.
And she fights a lot of fights for us.
And we ask for the moon and the sky and the stars.
And sometimes we get, you know, the moon.
But, you know, I was reminded of that yesterday in the same meeting.
I was telling you about when the founder of podcast one said to me, we have 300 shows.
If you're not squeaking, you're not going to get.
And you need to be ringing that bell all the time.
And it's funny, my whole past is based on sales and that's what I do.
However, I'm new as a podcaster.
So there's some element, obviously, within me that isn't applying my regular aggressive nature.
Because I'm feeling a little, oh, well, I'm the new guy.
I should probably feel back a little.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's interesting when you put yourself in a new arena.
it's good that you had that expert to say, oh, no, this is what we're going to go for and this is what we'll ask.
Yeah.
Because sometimes when we're left to our own decisions in a new environment, you might think, well, I don't want to piss anyone off yet.
Right.
I want to stay friends.
I want to know my place.
I want to earn my place.
I want to learn this.
I want to earn it.
You know what?
But here's the deal, Heather.
You've earned it by just getting into the studio to begin with.
They don't give this studio.
I mean, you guys, for those of you listening, like, we're at, like, the best studio in L.A.
Like, you didn't get here because they, like, did you a favor.
You got here, so now fight for it.
But it is interesting that occasionally you can forget, even though you know that all day long
in the thick of things in the moment where you're like, maybe I should make a phone call,
maybe I'll wait a couple more months, so I have a little more time under my belt.
That's what was running through my head.
And I think one of the things I've heard, you've probably heard this too, like don't let
perfect be the enemy of good.
So you might, your best day or your worst day is probably some people's best day.
So like if you feel like, oh, I just need to get a little bit better at this.
And then I'm going to push hard for the time or I'm going to push this hard for what I actually want.
You're probably already there because you're probably really hard on yourself.
Totally.
No, I think that's such a great observation.
And the bottom line is just keep pushing.
Push.
Keep a squeaking.
And you've got to keep.
Like you said, you ask for the sun, the moon, and the stars.
And then you end up getting.
Ask for more than you need or want always.
Because I think everything is like life is a negotiation.
It's so true.
Everything.
How did it, how did your work, how was it affected by this time when you were going through the divorce and dealing with this anxiety?
How did that impact everything for you?
Not well.
But here's what it did.
So yeah, so like anxiety has been a part of my life for a really long time.
And I think some of the most talented and creative people that I know have struggled with that as well.
I think mental illness is something I would just like to really destigmatize.
It's not, it doesn't mean you're broken.
it means that you're, it's no different than having like a broken leg, you know, that you're fixing.
It's an ailment.
It's, yes, it's part of like the human condition, right?
So that was a really big part of my life.
But I also think it fueled me to be like a really good entrepreneur because I just worked
really, really, really hard, you know, because I was afraid of like failing and I was afraid
of like a lot of stuff.
And then during my divorce, my divorce attorney is actually Laura Wasser, who is, I mean.
She had a show yet.
Yeah, yeah, she did.
She's the greatest.
And she looked me in the Iowa one day.
And she was like, forget all the money.
Forget everything.
She's like, let's just get this done.
And you take your company and you go to work.
And I was like, Laura, I don't want to go to work right now.
And she's like, I don't care.
Go to the office.
That's what you're going to do.
And you're going to build this company.
And you're going to build it as big as you want and bigger.
And you're going to build it for you and for your daughter.
Forget everything else.
And, you know, she's not messing around.
And she knew me inside and out.
She knew every single area of my life at that point.
And it was a year-long divorce.
And obviously you don't hire Laura if things are peachy.
If things are going well, you don't hire Laura.
But, you know, I did.
And she really, that taught having her tell me that rather than, you know, we're going to fight the fight and you're going to take him for his money.
She also told me, she gave me the best advice.
She was like, from now on she's like, you are going to be.
friends with him. She's like, I know this guy. Like, you're going to be friends with him again,
and you're going to love him, and you're going to be Julia's parents. All the matters right now
is that you're Julia's parents. So you need to get over yourself and go to all the therapy,
and you need to figure out how to be Julia's parents. That was great advice. Yes, man. Like,
that girl, she's part lawyer, part therapist, you know. And so. I'm sure I would hope most lawyers
are, though. I would hope so, too. I don't know. I think a lot of people drag it out,
but she, you know, there's money to be made. But that's her,
She wrote a book.
She wrote a book.
A great book.
If you're going through a divorce, read Laura's book.
It's called, it doesn't have to be that way.
That's her book.
Read it.
It's so good because her whole thing is like divorce can be gnarly.
It can be terrible.
Here's what you need to do at the end of the day.
It's great.
And she has a lot of advice on parenting because she is a parent of two little boys.
So you took her advice and you just tried to wrap up the divorce as quickly as you could so you could get back to work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I made, I took, I was just telling the girls, I took Julia's,
dad who I love today. If you go on my personal Instagram page, he is there. I love him. Like,
he is my family. It took a good couple of years to get there. But he is, and he's a great dad.
But in the divorce, I took his shares of the company and gave them to Julia. And so my little
girl who's six is my second largest shareholder. That is wild. Which is great. It's so great.
And, like, you know, it's funny now. But, you know, it's like, it's, that's what we're building.
this for her. You know, and she comes to her office and she comes to, like, work events and she
feels very involved. But it is nice that it's a loving relationship. And it's also nice for people
to know it wasn't always that way that emotions can change. And especially with time during divorce,
that can be massive change. Yes. And I didn't believe Laura when she said it. And she's like,
Sarah, I've been doing this my entire career. Do you really think I'm lying to you or do you think
I would tell you this if it wasn't true? And I couldn't get my head around. And I couldn't get my head
around it, but you can go through like an emotional trauma.
And you, if someone would have told me today the way I would feel about him now, I wouldn't
have believed them.
It really wouldn't have.
Right. It didn't seem possible.
Mm-mm.
Mm-mm.
But it is.
And like you can get over extraordinary hurt and he hurt me and I hurt him and it wasn't pretty.
If it was pretty, we'd still be married.
Um, or if it was fixable, we'd still be married.
It wasn't.
But I think it allowed both of us to like truly become our best selves.
I don't know that I would be where I am today professionally or mentally if we had stayed
married.
And I don't know if he would be how awesome he is today if we had stayed married.
I don't think we really brought out the best in each other.
Right.
Just because you love someone doesn't mean that that's the right person for you.
Yes.
Like love actually doesn't conquer all unless you're talking about your girlfriends.
I completely agree with you.
And even sometimes with girlfriends, they're jealous girlfriends that really love you,
but they try to bring you down.
and they don't mean bad, they're just jealous.
That can be too, and friend breakups are real.
Breakups are okay. It's okay. You can have an adult breakup.
They happen all the time.
They need to happen.
They do. You got to, like your people have to spark joy.
Oh my gosh, Marie Kondo. I love that.
Love it, yes. I mean, apply her strategy.
Yes, to life. Spark joy. Apply that strategy to life, man.
If people are not sparking joy in your life, it's time to move on.
Yeah, or they might, you might go through real trauma with people you love, but they're doing
the work. Right. They're doing work to change and they're breaking your heart with you and you're
watching them be heartbroken. That's okay as long as they want to get to another side, you know.
And for you, how you did the work, you did therapy, meditation, yoga. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had a really
big work day today and I dropped stuff in the middle of the day and I just went and did high yoga for an hour
and that helps me a lot. It's not a physical thing for me. It's very, very mental. So for me, I also take
If you follow my Instagram, if you go on Sarah after herself, you're going to see a lot of bubble bath content because I take two bubble baths a day.
Even if it's just like four minutes, like I have a little girl, like we go to school, drop off, you know, 745 in the morning.
But I will take like a five minute bubble bath in the morning and then I'll take like a five minute bubble bath at night or a two hour long bubble bath at night if I can.
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That helps keep me sane.
A five-minute bubble bath does something for you?
What does it look like?
Yeah, it's like, it's my reset.
I think it's the way.
Maybe some people just like meditate for five minutes at their work or they, I mean,
I know moms that shut themselves in the bathroom for five minutes.
Just escape children.
Just escape children.
Yeah.
I've heard of that too.
You're right.
Yeah, it's like whatever your reset is for me, that's like my reset.
And I really do say it makes me a kinder person.
And you can feel the difference.
The minute, the minute I get into the bathtub, it's like, it's so mental it all just like soaks away for real.
I just like wash the whatever it is off of me.
That's so interesting for me.
I would never in my life think to take a bubble bath ever.
No one does.
And it seems really indulgent or it seems like I'd be, you know, people are like, I'd be so bored in the bath.
And I'm like, you'd be surprised.
Like that's also where all my good ideas for our company comes.
So I'm like, I always tell people, I'm like, if I haven't taken a ball bath, like I probably suck at work that day.
We have no new products.
We have no new products.
I don't even, I don't know.
I have nothing creative to add to this conversation if I haven't taken a bath.
That's truly, it's where my first idea for the lip scrub came.
And it's today still where my best ideas come from.
I just sit there and think of ideas.
That's so important.
For me, that was always running.
And, you know, like you have, everybody has a different space, I feel like that you can get into that you remember,
hey, I have really good ideas when I do this.
Yes.
And the other thing for me is sleep.
If I'm not sleep, if I'm sleep deprived, I'm not having good ideas.
Oh, man.
I just read this book called Why, Why?
we sleep. And I think there is like also being a mom, tell me if you agree, I feel like there's
stigma around sleep. Like it's cool to not sleep if you're a mom. I disagree. So I was telling one of
my friends about this and he was like, please read this book called Why We Sleep and it talks about
your brain and how bad everyone's brain needs sleep. Like it's just biological. So like nap with your
child. Sleep. If you're a new mom's sleep. If you don't have children, I don't care. Let yourself sleep
and don't feel guilty about it.
And don't be here and be like, I only sleep four hours a night and I'm dope.
Right.
No, it's the best version that you're going to get of yourself.
I agree.
And it's only now, it's only within like the last year or so where I've been able to like not feel bad about like protecting my sleep.
It's so crazy that as human beings, we'd feel bad about doing something good for ourselves.
Right.
I don't know where that came from.
I think it's very American to be like, we work forever, you know, and like we're so proud of it.
We're so proud of it.
Like, I mean, in Europe, like they take three months off, you know, or they're done at work at,
at three, you know, like, what are we doing?
Right.
No, our culture is definitely not in line with that.
It's a little bit different.
So tell me what is the future for you, your future for your business.
I am so excited right now.
We get to pretty much solve every lip problem you've ever thought of or haven't even
identified, but you have.
Like, we're out to solve every lip problem.
And the stuff that we have out right now are lip scrubs, our lips, lips, lips,
our oils, like our balls, all these things that we have out on our website right now, like
our night cream for your lips, like they heal your lips, they repair your lips.
They, like, I can look anybody in the eye when I go on KVC or when I go to Nordstrom and I can
tell anyone, like I can tell millions of people, like, I can solve the problem of chat lips.
You don't ever have to have chat lips again if you do like two steps in our entire line.
And what we get to do now is just roll out.
we had a meeting the other day in the office where we decided what we were rolling out this year.
And like we don't even have room.
We don't have enough months in the year to put out all the stuff that we have done.
So like we get to fill holes in the market still.
We get to put out stuff that if you Google it for lips, it doesn't exist, which is really exciting.
Because it seems like there's a product for everything.
Like you're like, what's missing in the lip market?
The answer is a lot.
I tell people, I'm like, if you think about it, if you think about an office where all anyone does,
think about lips. That is literally all that's talked about in our office other than life and,
you know, our period and our animals and our children, you know, in politics. If you think about a
company that's focused on one thing and doing it perfectly or in our chemists are only focused
on one thing and doing it perfectly, you're going to put out really good stuff. So we focus on one
thing, lips, and doing that perfectly. And you never thought to diversify it. It's so interesting
to me? No, no, people ask that all the time, but my answer is, I know what's broken in the lip
market. I also know what doesn't exist. Like I put in my 10,000 hours, like, pretty early on
in terms of, like, this space. I know this space. I'm not going to put out, like, a face exfollient
because I use Tacha cleansing grains. I'm not going to put out, like, a hand scrub because I already
have one. Like, I use Josie Marin. Like, stuff is already out there, or there are beautiful,
like body lotions and creams and ways to hydrate your body.
The lips are just a neglected market, even though there are a bazillion products out there.
A lot of stuff doesn't work and it's not effective.
So we're out to fix that.
Oh my gosh.
I'm so excited for you.
I'm so excited to be a woman-led business that started with an idea and that you brought it
to this scale.
It's really exciting to see.
Thank you.
Well, it takes a village and there are tons of women behind me and men.
We play with everyone.
and now there are, which is incredible.
But, yeah, it's completely a dream coming true.
Not that it's always easy.
Every day isn't like unicorns and rainbows.
We have colossal fails or things that make my stomach drop.
But, you know, we focus on the, I think in our office, I think we're pretty positive and we all focus on the wins.
Would you guys say so?
Yeah.
So where can everyone find you?
They're going to want to know what products to get.
How can people get a hold of you?
Okay.
So our bestseller is.
is the lip scrub. That's at sarahap.com. Everything lives on sarahap.com. That's where you're going to
find every answer to every lip question you could ever think of. We also don't, I think we usually
have everything in stock, even if other people are sold out. I'm going to make sure to take care of our
site first. Maddie's thing, sometimes we sell out. So sarahap.com and then I'm a big lover of
QVC. Like people think you have to be a member or something to shop the site. They have incredible
beauty, you can get Drybar there, you can get Tacha, you can get Josie Marion, all my favorite
beauty brands are there.
Alta is a big deal.
You can get our stuff there.
We do exclusives for them.
And yeah, go to Sarah Happ.
We're also on Amazon.
So yeah, you can prime us.
You can prime us.
You can prime us.
Exactly how I found you.
And I think it's important, especially with winter upon us and people that don't want to
get lip injections and don't want to go to dermatologists and they're afraid of doing something
more serious.
This is an alternative.
It is.
And I think people, everyone has some issue with their lips.
Like people are like, oh, my lips are dry.
I've yet to meet anyone who's like, oh, I think my lips are perfect and I've never struggled.
No.
So if you do nothing else, if you use the lip scrub and you use our lips lip slip or our dream slip, you're not going to have chapped lips.
So that I can promise you.
And then if you read our ingredients, like they're serious.
And they will actually plump your lips.
They will actually build collagen over time.
Like, we do, like our chemistry is serious now.
What I started within my kitchen is not what we have today.
So, yeah, it's pretty cool.
It's so cool.
So I will be cheering you on the sideline.
And thank you so much for coming on today.
Thanks, girl.
Thanks for having me.
This is fun.
All right, hang tight.
We'll be right back.
Welcome back.
I'm so glad you got a chance to meet Sarah and hear about her challenges, her success,
and hopefully it inspires you to go for more.
One of the things when she walked out, she said to me, Heather, when I got to QVC,
which is such a huge deal, it's such an amazing platform to drive revenue for anyone who's got products
to sell. She was a rookie and she said, I was intimidated. However, I had this agent that knew the
business and knew to ask for the sun, the moon, and the stars because everybody else was asking for
it and now I was going to too. And that's exactly right. We need to ask for the sun, the moon,
and the stars for us. Sometimes it may fall short, but at least we give it a shot. And I loved that
I loved her confidence. I loved that she went in as a rookie and still was swinging for the fences.
And that's exactly what I'm doing. And I hope you're doing too. Okay. So as you know, I love answering
your questions. Well, on my flight to L.A. last week, be on a flight that long can be brutal.
So one of the things I've been doing is, and I'm going to do it again today on my flight to New York,
is I go to my Insta story and I do a question opportunity where I post, I'm on a flight, I'll answer anything.
And so I was answering a lot of questions around when people struggle with confidence and what they can do.
And I wanted to share some of that feedback with you.
So actually this question was, when do you struggle the most with your confidence?
And someone said work events.
And I said, just remember that you got the job.
And you got that invite because you deserve and warrant to be there.
If they didn't think you would add value, you wouldn't have been invited.
Now just show up as you.
You know, that's really taking the pressure off.
And it's really simple, but I think sometimes we forget, we warrant that seat in the meeting.
I hear a lot of times people say, I don't want to speak up at work events.
I don't want to speak up in a meeting.
You are occupying a seat.
You need to warrant that seat.
You've been invited because they want to hear your opinion.
You know, that's on you.
Just be you.
Take the pressure off.
And I remember days early on when I was very young in meetings, I would stay quiet because I was scared people would think my idea was dumb or stupid or
maybe I'm not smart enough. We all have our own weird things in our head that we,
that, you know, story that we might be telling ourselves. But eventually I practice and I got
myself ready to contribute. I would give myself a challenge. One idea meeting. I'd start with
that and I'd raise my hand and I didn't die. I lived through it and, you know, then one day,
actually someone said, great idea. And then from there, I started building momentum and raising
my hand a couple times a meeting and then through multiple times. And then whenever I
felt like it. And that's really where you want to get. But it all starts with raising your hand that
first time. When do you struggle most with your confidence? When opportunities you pursue don't meet
your expectations. This is interesting to me. I simply think that's a redirect, which means it's
time to pursue something bigger. Something bigger for you. Just keep going towards your vision and your
goals. You know, expectations that we have, you know, where are those being set from? I'm not sure.
sure exactly, but if you're not happy with it or if you feel like things aren't as good as you
want, that's on you to take action and go after something else. That's a pivot moment to say,
okay, this wasn't big enough. This isn't doing it. Okay, you know, what's that next thing?
Okay, another person writes in, I feel or struggle with my confidence most when I am alone.
And so to that person, I say, oh my gosh, meditate, exercise, sit down and do breathing exercises,
journal, work on your affirmations, work on your inner voice. There's so much you can do for you
when you're alone. And that's a great growth opportunity. I remember the idea of sitting at home
alone and staying in used to be crazy to me. I would never do that. And it's probably because I was
scared to just sit with my own thoughts. And I know it's really helped me as an adult, as a mother,
and probably in business as well, the more I can just sit and be at peace, not have.
to be going all the time, which that can be hard if you're a type A overachiever. So it is good to
practice some things that make you feel uncomfortable. So if that does, and it definitely did for me
for a while, it's good to step into it. Anytime we step into fear or uncomfort, those are growth
moments. Oh, this is a good one. When do you struggle most with your confidence when I don't have
money? Ho holla to that one. Revenue solves all problems. I've focused my life on this. Focus on
what you can create, sell, a new service, or a way to upsell your existing offerings,
or a way to reach more targets. Now get moving, right? So there's so many opportunities there.
It's like when I went to work for myself, initially, the first step I wanted to take,
I said, I need a product to sell. And that's why I wrote my book Confidence Creator.
So once I had that product up and running, it was all about promoting that product. How can I
increase the audience and the opportunities to convert this book into sales, into revenue?
And that led me to my speaking career.
I didn't know that was going to happen.
So that was a new revenue stream and new business.
So additional revenue.
So then I would look at those two revenue streams and say,
where is my time best spent on a $15,000 speaking engagement or selling my $20 book?
Hmm.
I think my time is better spent on a $15,000 speaking engagement.
So then I pivoted slightly, I'm constantly reevaluating my business model,
constantly reevaluing how can I be more efficient and effective with my time,
How can I drive more revenue and bring more value to my audience?
And it's really important to continue to take looks at your business model, at the value you have,
and how can you expand it, reach more people, offer more products, and or upsell and create better products.
So definitely pick your head up to take a look at how you could improve, innovate, or create that version 2.0 of your business.
This is a good one.
I'm a golf pro.
So if I'm not at my best, it's my thoughts that really affect.
me and I know I can change it. And I responded to this person because I have worked with people
in sports. The biggest difference in an all-star in the NBA versus a regular player is how they see
themselves. Our thoughts are the easiest thing to change. Swipe up from my five-step strategy.
And where I'm leading that person is the five-step strategy is my TEDx talk. If you haven't seen it yet,
it's 10 minutes. And I walk you through exactly how I created confidence through my very innovative five-step
process and how you can too. It's very cool. Just go to YouTube. Type in Heather Monaghan, TEDx.
Oh gosh, this is a great one. When do you struggle most with your confidence? When my boss is
treating me terribly. Well, I have been there. I've got you on this one. It's time to take action
and leave. Your confidence will skyrocket. I always go back to that day that woman thought she
fired me. I actually had fired my villain and I will tell you my confidence took.
off. It was unbelievable. When you are surrounded by negative people trying to hold you down or
hold you back and you decide to pull the trigger and get rid of them, you literally take off. So get
ready to take off, work on your confidence, cut those negative people out of your life, especially
a boss that's treating you badly. No thank you, not this decade, not in this life. Okay,
when I get, so I start getting focused on results and get too much in my head.
Well, I like my answer for this one.
When you focus on helping others, you get out of your head.
This goes back to a lot of people will say, I have a hard time promoting myself.
When you make things about helping other people instead of focusing so much on you,
these things are much easier to take on.
So make it about serving others, make it about helping others.
And I'll tell you, when I got involved in charity work, gosh, it's been probably, I don't know, 14, 15 years ago.
I really got involved.
I got involved in city or charity.
I joined the board, my life opened up and changed for the better.
A lot of great opportunities came to me.
That was when I started speaking on very different stages years ago.
And it really started to teach me about something that was going to add value to my future,
even though I didn't realize it yet.
So if there's any way you can serve and help others, you don't have to join a charity or be on a board.
I'm just giving you the background on what I did.
But, you know, any way that you can help others make something about helping others, serving others, and investing in others, it's a way for you to break through some of your own personal holdbacks.
And it might also open your eyes to some really amazing things about yourself that you haven't seen yet.
Okay, this is good.
I struggle most with my competence when I say the wrong thing all the time.
This stem from a bad relationship.
So I said, congratulations, you got out of the bad relationship.
It's time to rewrite that inner talk, swipe up for my strategy.
And again, I'm sending them to my TEDx talk.
So, you know, I'd love it if you join in on my Insta story.
I will, today, I will be again on a plane and answering your questions.
But what I want you to know is that so many people struggle with confidence.
In fact, I don't know anyone who doesn't, right?
It's just, it's not talked about often.
But anytime we put ourselves in a new situation, we're going to struggle.
little bit. I'm going into an unknown situation in New York right now. Luckily, my great friend gave me
these opportunities, but I don't really know what I'm walking into. I just know that showing up is
the answer, right? And I know taking action is the answer. Going bigger is the answer and showing up as
me. And I've only learned these things. I'm 45 years old now. I've really only learned these
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2020 people. It's time for some changes and we need to make some positive changes to improve our year,
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That's really the other thing that just popped into my head.
Oh my gosh.
I seriously have issues.
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