Creating Confidence with Heather Monahan - #458: Your Biggest Breakdowns Are Your Biggest Breakthroughs with JB Copeland, Entrepreneur & Influencer

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

In This Episode You Will Learn About:  How to stop hiding, start THRIVING. Ways to TRUST the unknown and watch yourself grow. Why you need to stay PRESENT to stay POWERFUL. How to RISE UP and let your struggles fuel your victory. Resources: Instagram & TikTok: @jb_copeland Facebook: @jb.copeland1 YouTube: @JBCopeland LinkedIn: @jb-copeland Download the CFO’s Guide to AI and Machine Learning at NetSuite.com/MONAHAN.  Get 10% off your first Mitopure order at timeline.com/CONFIDENCE. Go to ro.co/confidence, and pay just $99 for your first month. Get 15% off your first order on www.jennikayne.com when you use code CONFIDENCE15 at checkout. Call my digital clone at 201-897-2553!  Visit heathermonahan.com Reach out to me on Instagram & LinkedIn Overcome Your Villains is Available NOW! Order here: https://overcomeyourvillains.com  Show Notes:  Real GROWTH starts with getting uncomfortable and doing deep self-reflection work. I got real with entrepreneur and influencer JB Copeland, who opens up about his journey from rock bottom to a life transformed. After a career-ending football injury sent him spiraling into drug use, JB faced his demons head-on and came out stronger than ever. Here’s the deal: JB’s story is a masterclass in RESILIENCE. He learned that real growth starts with EMBRACING who you are, flaws and all. But the biggest lesson? PRESENCE is everything. I used to think being busy was enough, but being present is where the magic happens. If you’re ready to CRUSH your obstacles and build unshakeable confidence, this episode is your blueprint.  If You Liked This Episode You Might Also Like These Episodes: #421: GO For It: Shattering Limits in Life & Business with Heather! #411: From Setbacks to BREAKTHROUGHS: Create Confidence In Any Situation With Heather! #408: BEST OF - The Power of Changing Your HABITS: My Favorite Strategies for Career & Relationship Growth with Amy Morin, Katy Stoka, & John Assaraf

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I'm ready for my close up. Hi and welcome back. I'm so excited you're back with me this week. I love our guests. And I don't wanna see talented, humble and great peeps that you're gonna love, but he's letting me read the actual email when I asked him for a bio, he's letting me read it too. And I know you guys love behind the scenes.

Okay, this is real life, ready? And so know you're not alone because I know so many people right now are like, oh, I don't look like that person or I don't have that ability. Here's the thing. Everybody doubts. If you're not doubting, you're not putting yourself out there enough. That's my opinion.

So giddy up, buckle up and get ready for this. Okay. So this is what he sent me back when I asked him for a bio. These are always so hard for me. LOL. Okay. To you guys right now who are always saying this is tough. I'm having a tough time with this.

So everybody is always having a tough time. Former collegiate athlete played at a high level on scholarship, dealt with concussions and caused me to retire my junior year. This led me into a spiral of addiction and extreme discontentment in my life. Struggled with drugs, painkillers for about five years until two years ago, I with the help of my family was checked into rehab.

Finally started the journey of learning to engage with my deeper pain. So interested to hear about that. From it came a message. I want to help people feel again. A year ago, I decided to start posting and really the rest is history. Growth has been so fast that I'm just now working on projects, businesses, a lot of cool stuff coming. But as of now, I have a creative house production company that helps clients, brands that also have a message, bring it to life in a way to communicate organically, pure marketing to the masses.

This man has built an incredible community online. Check it out on IG. JB Copeland has literally amassed over 1.3 million followers in a year. I've never heard of anything like it before. JB, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. And Heather, I have zero clue what I'm talking about.

And so that's how I feel. I see other people online and I'm like, they have it all together. And I'm like, what am I supposed to do here? And so my bio is I'm still figuring it out and I might have it all wrong. And so I'm so excited to be on the show and excited to get open and vulnerable with you

and answer whatever questions you might have. Okay, so let's take it back. I love to hear the backstory and the come up because it sounds like on the outside looking in. I bet a lot of people thought you had this thing on lock when you're a high level athlete. It looks like you're killing it. Take us back to that time. Really? I was a late bloomer in high school.

But and so sophomore year, I was on JB2. I grew up in Texas, South Lake, Texas to be exact. And Texas is a huge football state. And so from sophomore to junior year, I grew from like five, eight to six, three, and was turned into the starting linebacker my junior year. You're giving so many men hope right now. Let's go.

Hey, there's always room for growth. I'm a late bloomer. I'm still a late bloomer. I feel like I'm still blooming. I don't know. I think we're always blooming, but ended up having a great junior year. And then my senior year was the team captain, was one of the team captains and was getting a lot of looks from colleges and scholarships coming in. And the fourth game of the season, I tore my ACL and just completely

devastated. And that was when I didn't know how to engage with pain. I didn't know how to engage with missteps and things like this and numbing and the pressures of life. And so that's when I really started to delve into a bit of drug use at that time. Within that though, I had one scholarship offer to New Mexico State University that said, well, stand by you. I understand you just tore your knee. All the other offers were pulled from the table. And at that time, New Mexico State was the worst Division I football school in America. They hadn't had a winning season since like the 1960s. I was like, screw it. I'm going to go. And so I went for my first semester. I rehabbed my knee, ended up

playing a lot that year. And we went and played LSU, which is a big SEC school out of Baton Rouge. And as a freshman, I had an amazing game, 10, 12 tackles, a sack or two. And I was like, I'm not staying at this school. Like I'm transferring and I'm going to transfer to my dream has always been to play at a power five school, which is at that time it was you know the ACC, the SEC, the Big 12, Pac-12 and now everything's changed with everything, all the new rules and everything. But I went to junior college after my first semester at New Mexico State. I went to Navarro Junior College and people have heard of Navarro because of their cheer program. I don't know if you've anyone seen Navarro cheer on Netflix. They're

national champions like every single year, but they also are really good at football. And so I ended up going on scholarship to Navarro. It was in the middle of nowhere in somewhere Texas. And I was there for a year from January to December. Well, the drug use even picked up more. My athletic ability and my ability to play the position, I was really, really good.

But mentally and emotionally, I was very insecure. I didn't understand my value. I didn't understand still all this pain that was even deeper than an ACL tear. A lot of it came from childhood, and we can get into that. But had the best year of football in my life, led the nation in tackles in junior college. And from there, North Carolina, the Tar Heels, best year of football in my life, like led the nation in tackles in junior college. And

from there, North Carolina, the Tar Heels reached out and offered me a scholarship. And so I went to UNC that January. So it was the January of my sophomore year. And even before I started the season, that coming season, things started to fall apart. Personally, it was like this very subconscious, like self-sabotage. A few weeks in, I couldn't stop smoking weed because I couldn't stop numbing. And I failed a drug test. And at that time, marijuana, they were testing for that.

They're not testing for that anymore. But I failed a test for weed usage, which wasn't a big deal, but it did put me in a place to where if I failed again, I would be suspended. And if I failed another time, I would be kicked off scholarship. And then a few weeks after that, I was at a frat party and I punched someone in the face and broke someone's jaw.

And so bad thing after bad thing kept happening. And like I said, I was very, very insecure. And my insecurity didn't come out in anger, even though I did get in a fight, but it came out with extreme anxiety and I was shy, wasn't well with making friends, just was not in a good place. I look back and just think of how uncomfortable and how restless and how discontent I did feel in life. Well, the season comes around and I'm splitting time with a guy. It was me versus him kind of at the same position.

And we're four or five games in the season and I get my first concussion and I'm out for two weeks. We were in the middle of a bye week, which means we weren't playing that week. And so I came back a little bit too quick. And during that bye week, there was a scrimmage, offense versus defense, and I got another concussion. And I don't know, like, at that point, they were like, listen, we don't feel like it's good if you move forward. We think that you need to retire

because of the second impact concussion and that you came back too fast. Like, I had kind of blacked out and all this stuff and it wasn't good. So within a couple of weeks, I was medically retired, which meant I was still on scholarship, but my whole life was like what has happened. Like not even a year ago, I just accomplished

what I felt like was the dream of my life, to play at a Division I college, to be on scholarship at a Division I college, to play at big stadiums from Miami to this, to Georgia, to all of it. And this was in 2016. And I didn't know what to do other than to numb it, which is what I'd always done.

And within a few months, I failed a second drug test. I just couldn't stop. And I'd always try and talk myself out of it in my head. Like, they're not gonna catch me. Like I can get out of it. like they're not gonna do another drug test it's like it's just this inner civil war that's just continuous and then going into my senior year at the very end of that first semester so it was December of 2017 obviously I wasn't playing I was very lonely I had isolated

myself still on scholarship doing really stupid stuff though. I failed a third drug test. I failed three drug tests for marijuana usage. And they kicked me off scholarship. And at that point, like, it didn't even really feel like I was on scholarship in the first place because I wasn't even playing. But you would think it'd be a wake-up call. But there was so much pain in me

that I just tried to move forward and act like it didn't happen. I ended up failing out my second semester. I was left with two credits that I didn't have to graduate, and because I just didn't show up for classes that last semester. And within a year or two,

I had went back and finally got that graduation and finished. So I did finish and get my degree from North Carolina. But there was just so much shame around it and shame towards myself feeling like I was nothing and feeling like I wasn't going to amount to anything. And that's when you know things even take a turn for even the worst sometimes. Sometimes things get even worse before they get better. Meet a different guest each week. Play it on the detour.

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My dad was a pastor, was raised religious. I'm not saying religion is bad, but there is a spirit behind teachings, depending on what church you go to or how you're raised or what that looks like. And it was very fear-based. And there was a lot of shame around me and my relationship with God. And really, that was with my relationship with my dad as well. As a young boy, you see your father as—especially when he's your pastor and your coach and your dad at the same time. It's hard to separate what dad thinks of me and what God thinks of me.

And so after I had felled out, I just said the only place I can go is home. And I don't know if I can be accepted anywhere else, but I ended up taking a job in San Antonio, Texas, which I'm from Dallas, and I decided to be a football coach. I was a linebacker coach at a high school. It was a private school. My uncle was the head coach, and so it was kind of like a family ties thing. But it really was just another year for me to just continue to jack up and continue to make stupid decisions from wrecking my car to continuing to stupid decisions from wrecking my car to continuing to use drugs and continuing to live two lives and try to fake it and not know how to deal with all this pain. Well, after that year goes by, at the time during all of this, I was also with who is

now my wife. Her name is Chloe. We were together dating and I was just like, I have to try and clean myself up. I have to try and figure out how to make me a better person. And the only way I can see doing that is getting married. And that's probably not the best decision, but it was like, I'm gonna ask her to marry me and I'm going to move back to Dallas

and I'm gonna become a pastor. And you think back on those moments of like, why did I wanna do that? Well, number one, I did love her and I do going to become a pastor." And you think back on those moments of like, why did I want to do that? Well, number one, I did love her and I do love her. And I'm so glad we're together and she's walked with me through all of this. But the other thing was why did I want to be a pastor? And it was to please my dad.

And it was to try and fit somewhere. I wanted to fit, I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to feel like I was a part of something. But the intentions weren't pure. It was just, well, if dad did it, then maybe if I do it, I can make up for all of this and maybe God will forgive me for all of this. And that happened and I excelled. And we ended up getting married in August of 2019, and I was a youth pastor in September of 2019. And COVID hits, you know, church shutdowns, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and online stuff.

And the usage just kept getting worse and worse. And at the time it was, you know, I would get caught by my wife. She kind of knew what was going on, but there was so much disconnection between her and I, but like I'm literally living two different lives and there's these kids that are looking to me for advice and I can't even give myself advice,

but my dad thinks I'm doing good and my bosses think I'm doing good and the kids think I'm doing good. And so really from 2019 to 2022, it just got worse and worse and worse and worse from the painkillers and like adding Adderall into the mix. And it's not like these things are bad things.

It's just like the intention behind why I was using it. It was to, I was trying to feel okay. I was trying to feel normal. I was trying to feel like I could live up to something and I couldn't do it without a substance in my head. And in April of 2022, I started to have panic attacks. It got to the point to where physically, I couldn't handle the internal pain that I was storing,

and I couldn't handle the internal pressure that I was ignoring. And like I said, I'm 6'3", I weigh 225 pounds. At that time I was 6'3", I weighed 160 pounds. And I looked like a corpse. I couldn't eat. It's just everything was off. Everything was off.

My wife and I's relationship was off. I don't even know why she stayed with me. So really having conversations with her and then I really just had to kind of come clean to my dad and tell him that. And I wasn't even completely truthful. I said, I'm dealing with some addiction. I don't know what to do. And like, I know I'm your son and I know I'm a pastor.

And I don't know if I've ever met a pastor that's gone to rehab before. And I don't even know if rehab, like do I just need to go get prayer or do I need to go to like a church camp? Or, you know, like, you know, what am I supposed to do? And he brought me up to HR and he was like, we're putting you on FMLA and you're going to rehab.

I think it was such a surprise to him. And I think he was in such shock and I think his identity was tied into mine as well. I think he was in denial too, by the way. For sure, because there is an ignorance and ignoring when there's a parent that is in a denial. They don't want to believe. I have two little brothers as well.

I'm the oldest and they've had their own struggles as well and they're doing a lot better. They're football players as well. One's playing right now in college. The other one played on scholarship at Baylor. He's in commercial real estate now, but there was a sense of denial from all of us because of the way that we believed and the way that we believed things could be healed. And I do believe in miraculous healing, but I think there's also a much deeper level of healing. And so I checked myself into rehab. I went on FMLA. I told the students that I was overseeing and at that point

pastoring and I say that because it's just like I feel guilt that they watched my demise and really they didn't know but you know I was overseeing a team of seven to eight people and not showing up the way that I needed to show up and not being the leader that I needed to be in that time because I didn't even know how to lead myself, I didn't know how to deal with this internal pain because there was years of it stored. And so rehab was a huge eye opener. So I checked myself into rehab. They take your phone. I was there with about 20 other guys. Once again, in the middle of nowhere, Texas. And the first thing the person said to me, like the guy that owned it, he looked at me and he goes, are you hopeless?

And I said, yeah. And he goes, are you hopeless? And I said, yeah. And he goes, good, that's the perfect place to be. That didn't really make sense to me. But what that's called is, it's called the gift of desperation. I was desperate. Sometimes you have to make desperate moves and desperate times that are dangerous and unsafe.

They might feel dangerous and unsafe, but really they're the most safe thing that you could ever do. And for me, it was dangerous to be open about my struggles in the profession that I was in with the father that I did have, who I still do have, and the marriage that I'm in, and getting honest and open and being able to get to a place to where I can actually start to deal with this pain. And so rehab was, the first month was one of the hardest months of my life because I couldn't escape. Where am I going to go? Like there's nowhere to go. Who am I going to call for help?

How am I going to control this situation? I had to sit with it. I had to regulate. I had to get myself to a place to where I could start learning to trust again, but really not even that. But it's not even like I needed to be reintroduced to God. It was that I needed to be actually introduced to God. And there's a quote that it's coming out in one of my books that I'm writing that I'm really excited about. It's coming out next year.

It's actually a coffee table book. It's a book full of art and quotes, but it says, Dear Mr. Chaos, and it's a letter, dear Mr. Chaos, although I don't approve of your ways and your methods, I appreciate that you lead them to me, your friend, Mr. Peace. And the chaos of my life led me to a breaking point. I do believe that your biggest breakdowns are your biggest breakthroughs. And all of that pain, it's like you look back and it's like, did I waste all this time? Is all this time, was it all for nothing?

But the clarity that came through that reintroduction or that introduction to who God was to me and really who I was to me. We like to take us out of the scenario sometimes, but I didn't like myself and I didn't accept myself. And I had to sit with myself long enough and I had to sit with this new God that I didn't know and I didn't trust long enough to be able to trust him and myself in a new way. And

that's what that time of isolation and loneliness did for me in my life. Not saying that everything's been perfect ever since. It's actually since I got out of rehab, I was like, I for sure don't have a job. There's no way that they're gonna hire me back. There's no way. Well, my boss called me back and my dad was my boss's boss's boss.

And I don't know if there was nepotism there or what it was, but they said, we want you here. And I was like, Are you sure because like, everything that we teach, I have questions about now, I'm not who I was, and I'm not going to be put in a box. And they said, we want you here. And I was like, all right. And I felt strongly that I was supposed to step back into that role, which at the time, I didn't know why, but as time went on, I realized.

But that was two years ago, I stepped back into that role. And I was there for six months. And those six months were a time for me to get really honest with those kids, and a time for me to get really honest with those people that I had hired and led, and let them know where I was. It created a space of security and safety.

In those six months, I don't even think I really ever even gave a sermon. It wasn't like I was preaching. Really it was more of a conversation and a place for them to come and bring their baggage and their pain because now that I'd learned how to engage with mine, maybe I could help them engage and learn from theirs. And in December of 2022, right before 2023, I'd been back for about four months. I just got done working out and I was in the car, sober, had been sober for about six or seven months,

and I felt like I just heard the words, jump. It's time to jump. I knew I wasn't supposed to stay where I was at, but at the same time, I didn't know when that would be. That was kind of after Christmas break. And after Christmas break, I came back and I told them, I said, I'm going to work through March, March of 23, and then I'm leaving. And I will say, I was a little out there and I was not you know, not much of a rule follower. And I did cause some ruckus in the midst of how I led and how I wanted to lead. And it wasn't a fit for me. And I didn't want to bring those kids into the middle of that, you know,

like me trying to figure out my own stuff when they're there for a certain reason. And I still haven't figured out all of my own stuff. But what I do know is that I know God. Do I know all the factual things? How could we? I mean, I don't know. But what I do know is that He's made Himself known to me and that there's a relationship there. And so I left in March and I didn't know what to do and I still don't know what to do. And I still don't know what to do. And I think that's kind of what life is, is unknowns and being able to trust through those unknowns. But in May, I just said, okay, I'm gonna buy a camera

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And figure it out after that yeah, I think that's always been the thing is and I'm still dealing with it because it's like I know that there's these dreams and aspirations in me and I know that there's this expression in me and these things that I want to do and these things that I want to help bring to life and there's a timing and there's a season for all of it. And my issue, my biggest issue right now is patience and impulsivity. It's like I have to learn to not be so impulsive and not try and take things out of God's hands and put them into mine. When we do that, we're taking on a burden that's not ours. But at that point, I was a roofer.

I did roofing. And at the same time, I was posting. And I didn't really make that much money roofing. I mean, like it got us by. And my wife was working at the time. And I didn't really know how fast or how things really worked. I didn't know how I would make money. Then I started to like realize that like

I'm pretty good at videography and I'm pretty good at editing. I edit and video all my own videos. And so I started that August, I started a company and I didn't really make it public. It just was friends or people that had known me at the time I was growing. I had like in August of last year, I had probably 40,000 followers. So there had already been a bit of a jump from 2,000 followers to 40,000 over a few months.

And so clients would start to come in and I would work with them. And at the same time, there was a guy and I'm not going to name names, but there was another guy that asked me to partner up with them. And I said, okay. They kind of offered a different thing than I offered. They were more into tech and into building out communities for people online, for things like that. My goal the whole time was, I want this to be organic.

I wanna help people find their voice. I wanna help people do this. I want, you know, and, you know, we worked together for about six or seven months up until really a few months ago. And it just got to a place to where I had a realization that we didn't have the same intentions. They're good people, but we didn't have the same intentions.

And I had to lead that situation as well. Money was made through that time, but not like tons of it, but money was made. And what it taught me was that there was another pattern in my life. This last year has been difficult, but because of what I went through two years ago, there was a different foundation. I had gone through something that was so monumental in my life that I had a buoy to cling onto during the storms of what reality was. What I realized was that I have an issue with men in my life, and it's the same relationship

playing over and over and over and it starts with that relationship with my dad to my seventh grade coach to my high school coach to it's always these men that I want their affirmation. I want to be affirmed. I want that safety blanket. I want that backboard. And I felt like in June that I needed to become that for myself. And that was a pattern in my life that I had to break was I need to become that for myself. And you know, you say

that and it's like, okay, though, that sounds easy, but like, it's deeply emotional. It's an attachment and it is a pattern. Breaking patterns are not easy. And so, you know, June, July, here we are in August, it's like, all right, well, I'm going to do this on my own. And I know that I have the skill to do it on my own. And so I started my media company actually just restarted it on my own. It's me and my wife and my wife is an amazing artist. She's a creative genius. And so now we're getting restarted. It feels like you're starting from scratch, but it's not from scratch. And then there's the whole other thing where it's like,

okay, but you know, I have 1.3 million followers. I'm gaining so many a day, but it's a paradox because the other side of it is all these brands reaching out that wanna work with me, but it's like, I don't wanna take away the purity of the message that I have. And so it's like, it has to be the right brand. It has to be.

And so it's just like, there's a conviction in me when it comes to that. And so I am in the building state of probably in the same place as a lot of your listeners. And it's scary. I'll be honest, like in the last month, I'm like starting to feel panic again. And I'm like, why am I like, you know,

you think you're gonna reach this level and it's gonna feel good, but it doesn't And I'm like, why am I like, you know, you think you're going to reach this level and it's going to feel good, but it doesn't because it's not about the external, it's about the internal. And what I realized is over the last year of even with all of this growth is that death by a thousand paper cuts, the subtleties of life, if you don't remember, and if you're easily forgetful, if you don't stay pure with your intentions, you don't stay pure with your intentions, if you don't stay pure with the message, you'll find yourself in a place and ask yourself, how did I get here? And what I believe is always based from making decisions out of fear and security. I need security. And so now I'm back

again. Here we are again. And it's a chance to start in a new way. And it's a chance to learn again from patterns that weren't broken two years ago, but now patterns that are being broken now. And I'm sure that there will always be more patterns that will be brought to the surface. But that's what life is. It's learning to let go, learning, taking these lessons. But at the same time,, you ask yourself the question, aren't I supposed to feel peace in the present moment?

How can I find that hope? How can I find that faith? And for me, this is very fresh. Over the last few weeks, it's gotten to the point to where it's like, I feel like I'm not happy, but there's so many good things happening and there's a world of opportunity, but my mind can go over

to the other side and think so negative. And I'm not very like open and forward with religion or God on my platform because I think my message is for the masses. I think God will reach them how he wants to reach them. I think my job is to tap them on the shoulder and give them something to think about. But what I felt like God told me two weeks ago was, you like to forget. And I think as humans, we like to forget. And it took me back to two years ago in rehab and the hardest moments of my life, even though it might have been simpler problems and it feels more complicated now like legals involved and all of these things like you're quick to forget how big I am. You're quick to forget that even through all this I've been working on your behalf. You're quick to forget and I've made it my mission to take time

to remember the last two weeks. Does that mean all the anxiety and all the fear goes away? No. But it means I'm able to remember what God did and even what I did and where I've come, what I've done, so that then there can be this purity to where then I can then surrender what is to come. You have to remember before you surrender. I think we try and surrender and it's so hard to surrender because we don't know what we're surrendering to. But when you remember what that higher power or whatever it is that you believe, what it's done for you, when you see those little blessings, when you look into the subtleties of life and you become present in that and you take the

time to find gratitude in the midst of your chaos, it's easy to surrender your chaos and be present. And so I don't know what my next months look like. I don't know what next week looks like. I know tomorrow I'm flying to LA. I flew to LA yesterday for a meeting that was actually tomorrow. And I got it mixed up and I was like, okay, well now I have to spend extra money on another flight,

whatever, it's life can be chaotic. And it's like, now I'm going back. What if it's all working out in my favor? What if I can just remember about how prayers were answered? What if I can remember about how I didn't know how to engage with my pan? I didn't know how to feel. I didn't know how to stop doing this. But now I've been given this gift of being able to learn to regulate and I've been given this gift of the small influence that I have. I think life is a constant back and forth of dealing with your ego and that fear and choosing to believe in that faith and that remembrance of who you truly are and who you're meant to be. I'm in the midst of that right now. If you're like me and you're interested in muscle health and having strength and living

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10% off your first order of Mitopeer. I asked you to try to find your passion. I'm so proud of you. It's so incredible watching you and it's so incredible you're bringing everyone on this journey with you. It takes so much humility. It takes so much courage. And I'm just, I'm so proud of you. You mentioned being in rehab and learning abilities, coping skills. What are some of the things that you took in the time that you were imparting on the kids you're working with and now that you're using through your platform to teach other people? There's two things

learning to feel again and trust and faith. In rehab, I was pretty much pushed into a corner and I had to feel. I had to feel all of my shit. I had to feel all of the things that were tucked away for years. I didn't know how to organize those things or I didn't know how to bring restoration to those things. And I think with feeling comes you got to be okay with feeling the good, the bad, the ugly, the doubt, the faith, the happy, the sad. We were given feelings for a reason and growing up in church one thing I always heard was that my feelings lie, feelings lie. And I don't know if that's true and like I said I don't have all the answers but for me I don't think feelings lie. And I don't know if that's true. And like I said, I don't have all the answers. But for me,

I don't think feelings lie. I think feelings give you the ability if you engage with them, and you sit with them, and you welcome them. Feelings can give you the ability to gain clarity. Why am I fearful right now? Even on this podcast, when I know I have 1.3 million followers, I know that I'm getting this business being built, I know there's a book coming out. Why am I fearful? It's okay to question. And the reason I'm fearful is because I'm insecure.

And why am I insecure? It's just, you can go down these rabbit holes of being able to understand what is this feeling in my stomach right now? Why am I feeling like this? And a lot of it does go back to childhood. A lot of it does go back to you feeling like you didn't have the permission to feel.

So you had to stuff it away and we have to act this way. And if you act this way and you believe this way, it's all gonna work out. And it's just stuffing, stuffing, stuffing, stuffing, all of it, bury it, don't get it out. Like there has to be some way to feel. For me, it's talking, it's writing. When I feel like there's so many thoughts

and I don't know how to sort through them, it's being able to have someone hold space for me to talk myself through what's going on. And what I've realized is usually I already have the answer. We're always looking for answers. And I think we can put We're always looking for answers and I think we can put people on pedestals for answers and we forget that no one knows us as good as we know us and no one knows us as good as God knows us and if

we will take the time to explore these feelings then maybe an answer will come out of it. For me it was why am I so fearful two weeks ago and having a conversation with my wife and realizing that I'm easily forgetful and realizing that I've not acknowledged how far I've come because I'm dealing with this lack of value in myself. I'm dealing with this thing deep inside of me that needs to be brought to the light. And it's not something that I believe will always rule me, but it's something that is slowly broken. I love the quote. It's, you're not becoming anything. You're unbecoming everything that you're not. And so there's still parts of me that I need to

unbecome. There's still parts of me that I need to let go. There's still deep securities that I need to let go, but I can't do that until I sit with fear or until I sit with sadness. Even when I sit with like, why am I so impulsive? And it's making time, you know, the church calls it quiet time, the world calls it mindfulness, or you know, being able to sit and be quiet, meditation. Like being able to sit and feel and know that you're safe. You can hold space for yourself. These feelings aren't going to overtake you. They're not in control. You are in control. You have the ability to work through this. You

have the ability to talk through this, to write through this, whatever it is, whether that's talk therapy. One therapy that really, really helped me was equine therapy with horses. These horses are insane. I would walk up to a horse and the counselor would ask me, how do you feel? And I would say, good. And I didn't feel good. And the horse would neigh at me and walk off. And finally, within a couple of weeks, she said, how do you feel? And I said, I don't feel good. And the horse came and laid its head on my shoulder. And it made me know that healing isn't about being this thing. What I think healing is, is being able to be authentically you 100% of the time.

I think that's what healing is. And I don't know if there's like this enlightenment or like I will be healed forever. I think that takes away the point of life. I think that we're always on a journey of learning and digging deeper and being real and being raw and being honest and being vulnerable. To be able to learn the lesson that's come from all of the pain, from all of the failed drug tests, from all of that addiction, from the panic attacks, from all of it, like, all of the good, like, can I remember the good?

I don't usually quote the Bible, but I know it very well. And I don't know if your following knows anything about the Bible. But when the Israelites entered into the promised land, it had been 40 years, obviously. Moses was no longer with them and they crossed, I think it was the River Jordan. Don't quote me on that. But right when they all crossed, it was millions of them at that moment, after those 40 years of wandering. And they didn't have to wander for 40 years.

That was 40 years of God trying to get them to break patterns. Right when they all finally crossed and Joshua and Caleb were with them, God said, I want you to take a stone for each tribe and I want you to make a monument so that you will remember what I did. And those 40 years before, the reason they were wondering is because they kept forgetting. Like literally, God had just parted the sea and they'd walk through it and within months, they had forgot that he did that and they were worshipping a golden calf because that's human nature. We want answers now. We want to take control now. We want to

figure this out now for our own safety and I don't think that's a bad thing but it is a bad thing when we let that fear control us. So that's the first thing. And then within that feeling is that faith of if I can explore this feeling and I can get to the bottom of it, why am I feeling like I have no value? Well, it's because I've lost my faith. And if I have no faith, then who am I? And if I can remember, if I can take those stones and I can build that memorial and I can remember and I can be present, then maybe I will be able to connect the two and realize that I don't know what's coming next, but what I do know is that however it happens, it was supposed to happen and I know it's going to be good. And so that has been my reminder. If I can stay pure

know it's going to be good. And so that has been my reminder. If I can stay pure, intentions, purity wise, like if I can stay connected to my feelings, if I can continue to find hope in those feelings, if I can remember, then why would I let tomorrow or next week or next month take away my joy from today? And why would I let my past take away my joy from today when all the good has come from it? And so it's about getting present. There is no other moment than this moment. And so it's practicing presence, I think is the main message and how to practice presence is remembering and surrendering. Wow, J.B. I know everyone listening right now is thinking, how can they connect with

you? How can they work with you? How can they follow you? Give us all the details. Well, I'm on Instagram. I'm on TikTok. If you want a daily dose of confidence or a daily dose of thought, that's a place where you can connect with me. My DMs are open.

I try and reply to as many people as I can. At this point, I don't know how they can connect with me further. I'm working on ways to make that a reality, but that's the place right now. I would love to speak. I'd love to be at more conferences. I'd love to take my own leap of faith in life and be able to connect with people more one-on-one or in groups and things like that. And so, like I said, I'm still trying to figure it out and I don't know what's next, but that is where I'm at as of now.

I so appreciate your transparency. I so appreciate how real you are and thank you for including all of us on the journey. He's at JBCopeland on Instagram. That's where I'm following him and on TikTok. I will put his handle in the show notes. Definitely follow this man. You will get inspired, you're gonna get directed,

and you're gonna get real uplifting thoughts on the daily. JB, thank you so much for all that you're doing and thank you for being here. Thank you. All right, guys, until next week, keep creating your confidence. I'll see you then. I decided to change that dynamic

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