Creatives Grab Coffee - Propelling Your Business: Choosing The Right Projects | Creatives Grab Coffee 51

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

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from Jukebooth with us, and he's from Boston. So we're now breaking into Massachusetts. And yeah, happy to have you on, Sean. Happy to be here. Thanks, guys, for having me on. Thank you. So why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself and your company? Yeah, so I got started in the photography world a little bit different than some of the other people you've had on. I don't have like a film school background at all. I went to college for new media, so kind of everything collectively. And while I was in college, I was looking for an internship. And I had the opportunity to intern at Converse at their headquarters and in their photo studio,

which was super cool. So I just wanted to learn everything I could about lighting and sneakers and how to like light just different product. So I did that my junior year and that opened up a world for me of like, this could be a profession. So I started to do more of this photography thing out of school. I shot in some other studios and then really started to get into more video editing. When I was in high school, I filmed like fun videos with my friends, like snowboarding and things like that, but never got really serious about it. And so I got to try new projects and some people gave me some editing projects here and there to kind of do.

And then I started filming my own stuff and really took off and switched over from photo to video and just saw that the video world just seemed a little more interesting to me and like maybe there was more there like photo is still great and I'll do it all the time but the video aspect was seemed like there was so many more opportunities so you learn how to light sneakers how am I doing with my background? Yeah, it looks pretty good, man. Yeah, it was cool to learn all that. I mean, there's a lot more that goes into it than people think.

You know what's rare is that a lot of photographers find it hard to switch to video. But I have heard of several video people easily switching into photography so yeah you're the odd man out basically because it's it's pretty rare like you don't hear about that you have a hard time switching a video yeah I'm not sure what it is I think I mean I always loved filming like I said like snowboarding films with my friends and like I liked how there was like more to put together. Like you weren't just done with the image and like that was it. Like you could actually change the story or change the way it feels because of the way you put it together.

And there's just more to work with, which seemed more fun to me. OK, so then you transition into video and you just like how did that what was the next step after that like were you at what point did you go from being a freelancer to starting your own company? So I did the freelance thing for a while so I was in the studio at Converse so after college I did a bunch of different studio work at different places and then I jumped back into Converse because they needed some photo help so as I was there I also got the opportunity to do some editing because they didn't have the editing bandwidth that they needed so they were like hey have you done any editing I'm like yeah

so I did some video editing so I was like putting together like sizzles and like small things here and there and then slowly some things came up like, Hey, do you also shoot? Can you shoot this small thing? And it would be like kind of studio ask, just shoot that sneaker or whatever it is spinning. So I would do some of these small projects. And then I started to really get into it and started to find other storytelling projects outside of work that I wanted to follow. Like I found a musician that I really liked who was local, and I followed him around, made a little documentary of him making his first album. So I started to really get into it myself

and not necessarily just chasing clients. And I think that's what brought forward more clients, is that I was just out there filming and creating and putting things out. And I wasn't necessarily like, hey, how do I get hired by this person? And so then slowly, as I was doing the photography thing and the editing thing, I started to develop some clients outside and did the freelance thing and then fully went freelance by myself just doing video and picked up as many clients as possible. And then it just grew to the point where I was like, this is too hard to do by myself. It's I mean, you could, but it gets crazy.

Like if you try and do it all yourself, I know there's a lot of people that still do. And there's plenty of projects out there that you can do by yourself but even just having like the one extra person on set or when you get bigger budgets and you start getting like a gaffer and like acs and produce it's it's nice because it it allows people to do the thing that they're good at and so you're not just like stretching yourself so thin even just having like a pa is leagues above just doing it all yourself. Yeah, it saves a lot of time and energy than just being the one man band for so long. And it's funny, you actually just proved it right there. What I was saying was that you got into it

because you were genuinely curious about the process. You found projects that you really enjoyed and were passionate about. So you had your motivation to kind of get into it. You didn't do it out of necessity. You're like, oh, I need to do video in order to survive in this industry. It's like that's such a weak goal to have in order to jump into a whole business line. Because if you're doing any kind of business with just that, it's going to be very difficult to be successful in it. Yeah, it's true. If you're chasing like what everybody else is because you're like, well, this is where everything's shifting.

If that's not where you belong and you don't feel like you enjoy it, you shouldn't go after it. I mean, this whole industry is built off of a lot of people who find curiosity in different spaces and you're like, Oh, I want to shoot music videos because that's something I have interest in. Not because there's more money or less money or whatever it is. It's like people just follow the path or you should at least follow the path that you're interested in.

And everything else should fall into place. But what happens now if you're trying to do that, but also you need to pay the bills, right? I was going to say like our previous episode that we were talking about i kind of like touched on these topics that that works uh when you're trying to find your footing and then once you become like a business owner like we all are now then you kind of go okay i need to now pivot my business towards where the money is right so within that field right so like now we're all in the corporate field and you kind of figure out okay uh not so much money and not not non-profits for example but more so in

manufacturing so let's try to do more videos in that industry yeah you do start to look into that for sure when you're a business owner because you're like you're obviously passionate about stuff like we'll stay we'll still take on projects that like I'm really passionate about, but maybe it's more of a passion project and there isn't, because a lot of things that like, a lot of the storytelling stuff that's really fun doesn't usually pay that well

unless you can tag a brand onto it, which is too bad. I think there's a lot of companies moving that way though, which is nice. It's like, let's tell a story and let's find real people instead of this commercial-esque thing. But to your point, we like work with all kinds

of different corporations and we do all the different talking head type videos because a lot of those pay really well and you go after the bill, like you have to pay your bills. And that helps you then do these like fun things. Do you have a shoot in Toronto? Do you need crew or a strong production partner to help you with your project? Laps Productions is one of the top production companies in Toronto and your go-to video partner. With our strong creative skills and extensive network, we can help you achieve

your goal. Laps Productions is able to offer you production services, white label services, or finder fees for project handoffs. Reach out to us on our website at lapsproductions.com to learn more. What were some of the first like hurdles that you've started facing once you switched from freelancing to being like an actual business, like what was some of the first major challenges you faced? I think to start the business, the major challenge was I needed a little bit of like assistance and help to make some of the things that people were asking for. So I think finding freelancers that I could work with, that I could trust and that were skilled to do the thing like I was doing,

but just sat next to me. So one of the people that started working with me right off the bat was one of my best friends growing up. So he went to photo school. He was big into video and film. And so he and I just started to like tag team projects together he's also a musician so he was like doing that at the same time so there was definitely a little crossover where he wasn't available all the time so I had to start like growing the roster of like

if he's not available who's next so I think that's the struggle is like finding people that you work well with to like, not only are they skilled, but I mean, in this industry, you have to have people that can get along and also get along with your clients. Cause if you're client facing and you have a team and they're not good with the clients, it's just not somebody that could be on set with you. So I think that's the hardest thing is to find the right people to work with you. Um, and that, that was a challenge and it always is a challenge. I think it's, it's one of the biggest challenges in this industry is like most of the people that I find freelance, they'll be like, Hey, I'm down to work on something. Love to work on that. Like cool project. Like you guys did at that music festival or whatever I'm like yeah

like those those are cool that doesn't happen every day so you have to be cool with working on the other things too and like a lot of people just want to work on the cool stuff and the minute somebody says that I'm like okay yeah I think we'll put you on the list but probably not going to be a regular because we need people that are like yeah I'll go film that bank video or whatever it is and like I think you need the people that are willing to adapt and work on all the videos like the corporate talking heads the cool studio videos the cool music videos so finding the right people I think is the the biggest challenge when starting a production company how do you find your freelancers normally for us it's usually been

through word of mouth. Someone in our network we've done work with, we always ask, hey, do you know a gaffer, for example? And they're like, yeah, I've worked with this guy and that guy and they're pretty good. And then from there, if they're not available, they'll recommend someone else. Again, whenever you're recommending someone, it's always your reputation

is on the line, so you never get recommended bad people because then you'll go back to the guy and say yo who'd you send me man like this guy stinks yeah totally yeah i think where i found most people is word of mouth i think the same thing like especially for like audio or gaffers like we have a couple people that we use for audio all the time and then if they're like completely not available, they'll give me like a little list and it's people that they trust. And it's bad when you can't find anybody doing audio. I mean, there's like,

sometimes there's a massive demand for it and other times there's a lot of people available. So I think word of mouth for sure. The one thing with finding um with finding freelancers is that it is hard because they also the only way to really test someone and get to know fully if they're going to be a good fit is if you actually hire them for a project and sometimes you have to figure out okay what is like the right project to bring someone on where you can test them where you know if they're not as good as you expected, you know, it's still, you can still deliver on the project, no problem, right? And it's the hardest we found over the

years was finding editors, good editors that we can bring. Editors are hard. And it's very, very difficult. And the only way to really get a sense of um uh how good an editor is is to start completing those projects and getting that confidence you know and i the one thing uh i always try to do is uh if we can bring editors on for a small project because then getting that first win under the belt is is is important because essentially you get to figure out what their process is like, how it is to go from start to finish. If it's like a very small video that you can get that out of the way first,

it's like, okay, you get a sense of how they work. Now you can bring them on for a bigger project and then a bigger one and then a bigger one. And then the more completions you have with any freelancer, the more confidence you have with them, obviously, right? And that's that's the hardest thing. And then sometimes people apply it's like on paper, they may look good. But then like you said, that filter you have right there, you've gotten from your own experience where if they're like, oh, yeah, I want to do that cool project only not willing to do the one.

I mean, basic project, you know, like maybe being a second camera operator for like you said, a bank video. That's so key because even though it's a boring project, you know, like maybe being a second camera operator for, like you said, a bank video. That's so key because even though it's a boring project, you can get a sense of how good these people are to collaborate with. Right. Yeah. I think the editing thing for sure is one of those like it's hard because you're like, OK, we're going to take a leap and you can't really you can look at their reels. But that really doesn't help you because you have a specific project that needs to be done. And you also have like your production company has a style. Like that's why people hire certain companies. That's why we can all exist.

That's why we can all work together too, is like we have different ways of doing things. And that's why certain companies will hire you. It's not because you do something way better necessarily it's just maybe like you have this sort of style and this look that people want and hiring the editors is hard because you're like you want to keep that style so you're like bringing somebody in you're like can you help match like what we're doing and you can put your own stuff into it but let's like kind of like walk the line. So we don't go too far out to like what maybe you did over here with this video.

So it's, I think that editing, like finding editors, I think is one of the hardest things. And that's one thing that, I mean, it, you, like you said, you don't know until you just like give them work. Yeah. That's the only way you'll ever know, because then you'll get a sense of how they are working with your work. And the one other filter that we have is we never ask really for editors to send us their reels, maybe as like as like another thing to just throw in. But reels are the worst thing to determine an editor's skill set, because it's just a highlight. It's just a short highlight video. It doesn't tell anything else on what their abilities are. So we always ask for three key examples of like maybe a certain type of industry. It's like if we're looking for someone to edit a corporate video, send us three of your best corporate videos that you've worked on. And if

we start to see a consistency between them, good creativity, and, you know, they can tell a good story with that. Okay, that should give us enough to work with. But if only a reel and maybe one or two other projects, they could have just grabbed a bunch of clips and thrown them together. It doesn't mean they know what they're really doing. It's true. Yeah, it's hard to tell from anybody's reel, even like a DP's reel. It's like, yeah, can you show me something that you did that was like a full project? I mean, we, I, the funny thing with

certain people when they're so like, we'll get people that reach out to try and get a position here. They're like, Hey, you're hiring. And a lot of times people will just send a resume. I'm like, I don't know, like send me something visual. Same with like voiceover actors. I'm like i don't know like send me something visual same with like voiceover actors i'm like if you're oh my god they're the worst don't send me an email send me a voice yeah yeah like at least do that because like i'm not gonna hire you unless you like like send me something funny like i had one voiceover actor call me and left me a message i'm like that's cool like oh if you send me because if you send me an email i'm like i don't know like i get spammed emails do you get spammed a ton by voiceover actors

they're on linkedin now too yeah i get the link i can't oh you get ads no no i don't get ads i get like messages i get a ton of emails and i i have a ton of people that apparently can't read because on our website it clearly says okay if you're a freelancer fill out this form and they always email me so i always spam those emails and the other thing is they'll put links in there and i don't want to get phished i don't know what's in that like i could click that god knows what's in that link yeah could click that, God knows what's in that link I'm not clicking it I'm not going to click your PDF, God knows Take all my money or whatever All my bank accounts, my passwords or something

I don't know Dario was mentioning that in the States You guys get Scam artists When I was calling Sean last week He thought my number was One little scam calls, right? So I was asking him what type of scam calls they get in the U.S.

Because here in Canada, you hear two types of accents and right away, you know, it's a scam call. If you hear a Chinese one, it's they're trying to trick Chinese people into something. And if you hear an Indian one, it's always the air duct guys. So I was asking Sean, I was like, Sean, what do you guys you guys get and it was wild they get like people pretending to be google reps it's like next level like scam calls we get people pretending to be bank reps like it's happened to somebody i know where they call and they're saying hey we need some of this information it looks like there's some fraud on your account. Like they act like legit. And then like, if you give them, like anytime I get a call like that,

I'm like, I'll call the bank myself. It's like, even if they're like, I'm from this or like whatever it is, they're like, hey, we need like the other one I get a lot now as a business owner is, hey, you've just been pre-approved for like a massive loan. Like all you have to do is call us back. It's like relief money i'm like they're still giving out relief money i'm like i don't know that one seems to

be overused but like they must be getting some people and so you'd call back and then they would sign you up for the loan i guess and they're advanced over there it's all like it's like they don't try over here no no they've they've they've moved over to here it's all like it's like they don't try over here no no no they've they've they've moved over to here actually with that specific uh scam sean you were talking about like someone i know uh was going through a similar thing and they were talking to me about it and like they were going through it and saying hey um like the the bank just called me and they're and they're telling me this they need some they're saying i'm frauded, this and that. And I'm like, okay, just call them back rather than just go through that. That was exactly my initial response. But they said, but they started telling me about how some specific transactions

that I had recently done that were very specific, that were accurate. And I'm like, really? How did they? I'm like, how the hell did they know that? And that's what I was wondering. And I was like, okay, let's listen in and listen to the call we're listening in and and something was off like the whole time like okay this is even though it sounds legit just end the call and call them back and so that's what we did but how did they know back that's what we'll never know we'll never know how they knew this specific information but like maybe they got some bank statements from i don't know but that was the scary part is that but if it was a scary thing it was a real call you just call them back so that's exactly it if it was real you called them back and oh okay so that was legit all right let's

actually go through and fix this you guys want to laugh this this happened back when i was a kid okay so this must have been when i was like 10 or something and my dad got a letter in the mail and it was an obvious it was the african prince one right so he gave letters back in the day it was a yellow letter and it said it was the african one where it's like oh you know blah blah blah blah died and he left you as the executor of the soul air so he my dad's like come here look at this we're rich he was messing around with me he's like look i just got 10 million dollars and me i didn't know at the time so for like five minutes i'm like holy shit we're millionaires

that is the best prank and he was a lot you know if if it was like nowadays, he probably would have recorded me and posted it as a reel. Yeah, for sure. Instant viral sensation. Oh, my God. What was I going to say? Oh, actually, I forgot to mention this. I don't want to interrupt. But you mentioned audio people, right? Well, we have a new sponsor for the show, as our listeners probably heard at the beginning of the episode. But Audio Process is a sponsor of the show. So if you need audio personnel or recording spaces in Toronto,

make sure to reach out to them. Contact info is in the description, and you probably heard it in the beginning and probably in the middle and at the end because we've got a 30-second ad going. Hey, what's up, everybody? I'm Matt. Welcome to Audio Process. We are a boutique audio company doing location sound, sound design, post sound, ADR, Foley.

We service equipment, we do all your audio needs here in Toronto. We got you covered, come on down, audioprocess.ca. Don't forget to like, follow, subscribe, and all of the other internet things to creativesgrabcoffee.com. They'll be waiting for you, I'll be waiting for you, and we're all gonna have a real good time. Yeah, I think editing's fun. I mean, I mean, there's times where it's like

tedious and you're like, oh, my God, I can't believe I have to keep doing this. But if you can choose what you edit, it becomes a little more fun. I mean, I started my like career editing basically. Um, so I think that was kind of how I got really into it. And, uh, now I do it every now and then, but try and get other people to do it so I can start working on like pitching and other things. Yeah. I mean, editing takes a lot of time, so it, you can't be doing it all the time if you're running a business, like maybe on just some select things or if it's something that is in a way kind of like business development. Right. So like I'm doing like a lot of our client projects, we hand that off to editors because they're able to like we can give to multiple people to be handling a few different projects at the same time. Whereas a lot of the editing I do right now is focused on pushing the business forward

in some way. And then Creatives Grab Coffee is one of those platforms where we do that. And I think to your point, selective editing, that's where it kind of comes in. You want to focus on work and projects that can kind of help either progress the business forward via business development or creativity, portfolio development, things like that that can help evolve it in some way, right? I mean, you spending time editing a corporate video like a similar one that you've done before

is not going to push the business to the next level in any way, shape or form, right? It's part of the process it's one of the products you're servicing but if you say focused on editing like this documentary series you know that this doc could have some big potential for your business to grow expand or who's the doc for like are you doing it for a client yeah so we so this guy so the other camera operator he grew up with this guy who's like a professional hunter now, and he had some sponsors. We shot some small stuff for them.

And then they, we basically pitched to them. He was like, Hey, I'm going on this hunt with my friend and you guys should film it. And it's his first elk hunt ever. He's been hunting his whole life. And like, it was a bow hunt too so oh wow like yeah it was it was crazy so he was like let's pitch it and see if they'll they'll take it so we basically pitched the one of his sponsors and they were like let's do it let's let's make this thing happen and i mean our goal is to make it like yeti's films so like we we we hiked for miles like we did i think probably like 10 miles a day and we had like 50 bags we did seven days well so you have to be nimble so did you guys get the elk by the end we did we got an elk and it was uh less a 10% chance of him getting one. That's basically the odds out there.

Yeah. He's very, we got, we did get lucky, but he's also very skilled at tracking. But yeah, we had to be nimble. Packing for that was insane. We had so many things that we wanted to bring. And we had like, the one thing we had to figure out is like, how many batteries are we going to shoot? Cause like we weren't charging. So yeah but like batteries weigh the same amount if they're full or if

they're empty yeah so you're like like you can eat all your food that you bring out and be like sweet my my bag's lighter but like batteries so that was hard for us we chose the c70s batteries so that was hard for us we chose the c70s nice um so we shot the whole thing uh raw on the c70s wow and the raw is incredible like we've been just doing some color stuff here in the studio and it's equivalent to ari from what i've seen on on some youtube comparisons it's incredible i mean we have so we have a red vista vision raptor the 8k which is beautiful camera but like you can't bring that out there no way i would have been able to 14 it would have been like 14 batteries a day to run that thing jesus so we took the c70s and we wanted to bring like three lenses a piece but we're like i mean we had, I mean, we had to bring our tents. We had to bring our water and our food.

So we brought, yeah. So we shot a 70 to 200 on one of them and then 24 to 105. The RF? Yeah. So we went RF for everything because one less piece of tech in between. Because we're thinking like, what if something breaks we also each had we had like an r with us to do photos and then i had a fuji um xt4 so like we had options because we were doing time lapses so like the battery the batteries on that one stink on the xt4 yeah but so we had solar

panels with us like little solar packs. Yeah. I was wondering about that. That's hilarious. Little ones, very small. And so you'd hang them off your pack and they would charge. Cause we were running tentacles for time code. And we had a lot of gear, but it made everything work. So like you look at some of the scenes and they'll be like,

they'd be like 200, 300 yards away from us. You can still hear them because they have tentacle recorders on. So they're like whispering because a lot of the hunt was like no talking and it was very quiet and we had to like creep through the woods. So it was an incredible experience because you're here trying to film this thing, but also trying to like make sure you don't stand out. So you don't like ruin the hunt yeah that makes sense because you have to be like you have to be almost like a hunter with the hunter you know you're hunting the hunter yeah you know what it's like you know those you know those videos where they they show i've only seen it for crossfit where the the guy's sprinting and then the camera

guy's matching his speed sprinting with him. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that. I mean, we've done stuff like that. We used to film a lot of stuff at this for the Spartan races. So we would do that. We would run with the runners and like, so it's, yeah, you have to like, you're better than the runner because you're holding like 20 pounds worth of

gear. And that was the thing with this hunting thing. Like we had vests that we like clipped our cameras into so you could always have it available to shoot um so like you can't have it in your bag so you're hiking up these like crazy pitches we did like i think we were camping at like 10 000 feet elevation wow so like i mean it was beautiful and we got some like lightning shots we got caught in a lightning storm. It's going to be cool.

It's just, like, it's a lot to go through. I can't wait to see it. Honestly, when you release it, send it to us. Like, we can't wait to see that. That would be cool. We got to ask him what kind of rain cover he had for the C70 because that thing's not waterproof, so. Well.

Or weather sealed. Yeah, so we didn't have, we had, like, you can get, like like water covers for the cameras like they build like these they're not they're not very ergonomic and they're hard to use they make a lot of noise too yeah that was the thing like the minute it rains like your your audio is gone like you're not gonna be you're gonna have to do some so we're gonna do some post-production stuff where we have a team in Boston that's going to help us do some like foley and build some sound into it so we've got like a small sound budget for that and so we're trying to make it like the best it can be and hopefully like you

said before it's like going to grow the business that's the goal is for this thing to maybe get us into more of the outdoor space because that's we want to live in that space more than, I mean, we love the studio, but we're really trying to get into this like outdoor adventure, mountain biking, hiking, hunting, that kind of situation. It's a whole different market. And I've always been curious how people jump into those types of spaces. And I'm guessing it's more so like this prepared. Yeah. Like this preparedness meets opportunity, you know, and, uh, and then, uh, putting, um, putting a lot of, uh, investment and effort into a big project like this. And honestly, I'm, I'm still amazed that you tackled such a audio centric, challenging project without an audio operator. That's, that's incredible.

It wasn't my choice. I mean, I asked for it I was like can we have one more person to even help us carry gear they were like we're only gonna have four people on this hunt that's it so it wasn't a budget thing and it wasn't it was literally just a hunting these two guys were going hunting already just as friends and now they're bringing a camera crew and they both, they're both very good on camera because they've been, so they're both pro snowboarders. So they have this other world that they've been a part of. So on camera, they're great. Um, so they were cool with the cameras being around. It was just like, number one, can you guys keep up? Which was a little daunting at first because i mean

these guys they're like big mountain snowboarders park snowboarders and like they travel all over they're hiking so that was i mean it was physically taxing and i think there were times where we were like i don't know we're gonna do this like we dropped batteries halfway up one of the trails because we were like we're not bringing these batteries and we're just going to shoot less like one of the trails was just so intense so we put them in a a dry bag we marked them on our app i was gonna ask about that i mean i gave like it was i think five pounds worth of batteries and we were like just not worth it i mean that was the hardest thing we brought 25 cards in case so we could just shoot because we're not dropping footage which is also super scary to do yeah yeah because you're shooting cards and then

you're putting them we had a card holder that was like labeled just shot and then you didn't you only put stuff in there and you never took anything out and then when we got to the car we would drop stuff because we had a couple times where we went to a different zone dude it's scary like that whole part was scary because like not only are you filming it but now you have all these great shots and you're like we need to make sure we drop it and you're so i would carry the cards in my backpack anywhere we went so like we would set up our tents and leave them there but i'd never leave media like I'd bring all the cards we shot in case we got lost whatever happened and then when we dropped cards we left a drive in the car and then we brought the media back with us so like if something happened to our

backpack or something we have a drive in the glove box oh man did you do it daily did you drop off the footage daily or was it like every two three days kind of thing so we only came out of the woods once because we moved yeah so how many batteries a day did you did use we ended up shooting i think we so when we first went out i think i brought like seven or eight batteries because they thought we were going to be out there the big ones right awesome yeah they thought we were going to be out there for like eight days like straight so they didn't know because like once you track the elk you're out there and you're like you're not coming back in so a lot of it is dependent on where the animals are if there's

other hunters around all that stuff what the train is like and then we were like five miles from the truck and it was like five miles off trail so it'd take you probably like six hours ish to do that five miles wow wow yeah well he's in the bush right there's no there's no trail out there right no no there's a trail leading in like we did a trailhead in the very beginning which was like maybe a mile in and then for hunting you just want to be as far away from people as possible especially it was like opening season so it got really crowded i mean we would see people across on another peak and so you're wondering are they pushing elk this way are we pushing out towards them so you had all these factors going on

it was it was cool i'd never been on elk hunt before um so it was very how was the meat was the meat good we haven't eaten it yet so it got butchered in colorado and then it's going to get freeze dried and shipped here so it'll be here soon so we're going to get some of it to try he said we could come up our way you way. You know, we haven't tried. We haven't tried elk. Yeah, I can do that. FedEx some of that up here. I mean, I hiked it out. We helped hike it out too as the camera crew, which was pretty wild. You guys were technically hunters there too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You deserve some of the game that was caught. Well, he's shooting clips. He's still shooting. Yeah. He's still shooting. Yeah. He contributed. My name is Mehran. Welcome to Canada Film Equipment.

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I'm dying right now. I don't know how Rogan does it where he does like those three hour podcasts. Dude, I know, right? I'm back. Well, sometimes they'll just do it and like he'll just leave and like then the guest has to like. That's what I did earlier. Yep. I needed to do the same i'm like i i've been i was like holding it for like the last like maybe 15 minutes i'm like yeah i just gotta do it okay we gotta end this right now because i can't take it anymore

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