CreepCast - Jeff The Killer | Creep Cast

Episode Date: December 17, 2023

This week, CreepCast takes a look back at an internet classic, the legend of Jeff the Killer! A story that’s impacted modern horror culture gets a re-visit. Will it live up to the hype or be a hilarious reminder of early internet horror’s quality? (spoilers: it’s the second one). Join us for a walk down memory lane on CreepCast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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classics. I couldn't find an official date. There's been some speculation of when exactly this thing was live or whatever. I don't know. Today we're talking about Jeff the Killer. If you ever heard of Jeff the Killer, you've probably seen this image here.

I feel like everybody on the internet has seen this image at least once. One of the most classic internet images of all time. It is. For sure. It's a good one. I like it. You know, it's one of those. It's a nice blown-out image. you know it kind of works in a bunch of different ways i feel like it works in some comedy memes while also being a bit spooky it's a jack of all trades which i enjoy i'm jumping the gun a little

bit on the analysis but i truly think the most impactful thing to come out of the entire story is the is that image uh it is probably the only positive not not not just for jeff the killer but for like where internet horror went as a whole like this was one of the first images that was kind of in that shaky like found footage there's something in my house tone and that's like most of what you know internet horror became after that

so I think it does have that yeah it does have that Mandela catalog kind of yes exactly that kind of like weird uncanny yeah it looks like someone like was being attacked and uploaded it right before they died you know it gives that whole vibe to it

so I think I think the most impactful thing to come out of this whole story was that image and that was the peak because it's all downhill from there. It is, it is. This is an interesting one because we started off with the search and rescue series, which we both enjoyed, and it's like a very fun, well-written classic.

This is, this ages like sour milk. I mean, if I had to, if I had to literally, when I got done reading this, I thought to myself, okay,

this is like, this is if they tried to make a superhero out of a school shooter, is what it sounds like to me. That's exactly what it runs. like school shooter vigilante is what it reads and uh there's a lot of influences and especially because i saw here that uh no one knows where the photo we're like there's no specified photo but apparently the version that we read that i think is the most popular isn't even the original version there's uh something i'm reading here called the the sessor the sessor version

i don't know if i can pronounce that correctly i don't know if you know if you know that word but on october 3rd of 2008 sessor s s s s e s s s that may be pronounced Seusser. Seusser. Maybe. I have no idea. The Seusser version. You're probably right. But that individual uploaded a video title Jeff the Killer, original story on YouTube.

And that video predates the famous creepy pasta story. So I'm guessing that the creepy pasta story came out around the same time as that, probably in the 2008. Which, if I'm also correct, around 2008 is when the Dark Knight came out, which feels even more in spot. Like, I feel like they literally saw Heath Ledger's. joker and we're like that's the coolest thing i've ever seen in my life because it feels like there's so many callouts to that in this story um but yeah there's apparently the the souser version uh you know there's there's some different kinds of uh delineation some differences but you know uh the one that people at least the one that i read the one that seems to be

more famous is the one that was re uploaded or like the reboot or whatever of the original version, which is the one we decided to read together. But yeah, no, I mean, without further ado, I think let's just kind of jump into it. I am so excited. So, yeah, it seems like, at least from what we can tell historically, there was a YouTube video uploaded like a short little thing just to show off the face to show that like it was creepy, whoever made it. And then the story got made like shortly thereafter to go along with the face and give it

an explanation. That's what it seems like happened. To this day, it's a point of debate where the Jeff the killer image came from. There's some people who say it came from, it's like this selfie. A girl posted like early Myspace. Katie Robinson. Yeah, you know the one I'm talking about, right, where she's kind of in a dark room. But that's been debunked.

There were theories of it being like a school project for a scary story, but then that's got debunked. Like there's, it's still a mystery where. the image came from but looks like it was the image and then the story got attached to it and one of the reasons i wanted to talk about this today is hunter and i were discussing like oh what other famous early internet horse horror story should we cover so a lot of good ones came to my mind like no end house uh the showers barasca and the stairs in the woods that we talked about last episode so like there's so many good stories but then while we were thinking about it i said you know it's

It's a little disingenuous to say every single early internet horror story was good. Not to say it wasn't effective because Jeff the killer terrified me for months on in when that story came out when I saw that face. And then as I was thinking about it, I'm like, man, I'm sure it is way worse than I remember. So to give some context, Hunter has compiled this document and read the stuff to make the document out. I haven't looked at this story in over 10 years, so I'm so ready for whatever it's It's truly a ying and yang kind of situation of somebody who is going in, already having dodged all the bullets, and now you're going in with hellfire raining down on you, so I hope you're ready. Yeah, I remember the broad strokes of the story, but like I said, it's been a while, so I can't wait for how terrible this is going to be.

Yes, and without further ado, I will get us started in here. We also heard some feedback from your guys' stuff, so we will be reading directly from it and, you know, getting you all loose and juicy in the story here. So, here we go. The story starts with an excerpt from a local newspaper talking about how the killer is still in the loose and on the rise. Very little evidence has been gathered, but a young boy survived an attack from the killer and tells a story, which to me was just kind of a funny way to start the story. so many early horror stories did that you know like the whole they try to do the cold open thing

but the cold open is always just like there's a death someone died and then it just jumps to something else that is true yeah which I was going to say do you do you want to read as the young boy or do you want me to read as the young boy I'll take it I'll take this one because again this is all

this is like meeting a childhood friend only to find out that he's like a crack addict now and like homeless so like this is going to be sad for me because like a tale as old as time itself yeah yeah of course the old crack addict high school friend's story we all know it um of course but like this story was one of like my first exposures to internet horror and we see how that you know lineage took place in my life so this is going to be really depressing for me so i'll go ahead and start i i had a bad dream and i woke up in the middle of the night, says the boy. Oh, come on.

Well, first off, you got to give us more of a boy voice than that. If he's a little boy, come on now. I had a bad dream. Is that better? That's horrible. Okay, go back to the regular, but that was, that's, yeah. I had your bedroom.

I had you boot, I think, I caught something when I went to the range day, like, one of the 800 influencers gave it to me. So, yeah, you definitely got sick from one of the 800 influence. Yeah, that or I got shot, I

can't tell, but either way, the little boy voice isn't happening today, so we're going back to my first step, all right? Okay, alright. I'm also holding the microphone closer to my mouth to blow out everyone's speakers. All right. I had a bad dream, and I woke up

in the middle of the night, says the boy. I saw that for some reason the window was open, even though I remember it being closed before I went to bed. I got up and Shut it once more. Afterwards, I simply crawled under my covers and tried to get back to sleep. Wait, hold on, hold on.

Immediately. Immediately. How old is the boy in this story? This is one of the most frustrating things about this entire thing is they do not give any ages about any of the fucking characters. Let's say, let's say it's the kid who's like, I had a bad dream, woke up in the middle night. Let's be generous and say he's 10.

Okay. I was going to say 10. I think 10 is fair. 10 is a boy, right? That's a fair boy. It's a boy. A little boy. There's a 10-year-old who is speaking to the police about attempted murder, and he says,

I got up and shut it once more. Afterwards, I simply crawled it. Like, could you imagine a child speaking this way? I can't, we can't. Afterwards, I simply crawled under my cover. Yeah, no. Yeah, it doesn't work. No.

And then it feels even weird where it's like a 19-year-old having this kind of thing and referring to it as a boy. Yeah. I had a nightmare. woke up yeah yeah yeah i got scared i went to find my mommy we can't do this for the whole like thing because we'll be here all day i'm sure i just have a feeling so that that's my blanket criticism for the whole story children don't talk that way anyway that's when i had a strange feeling like someone was watching me i looked up and nearly jumped out of my bed there in the little ray of light illuminating from between my curtains i'm just sorry

Sorry. I just said I wouldn't keep criticizing it for that, but that's so funny, illuminating from between my curtains. It's H.P. Lovecraft as a child. It's 10-year-old H.P. Lovecraft. Yeah. Yeah. Illuminating from my behind between my curtains were a pair of two eyes. It's like, how old are you? I'm seven. It's like, what's that actor, Keith David, with all the cool voices, this was Keith David. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would love if this was Keith Davis' 10-year-old experience. I'm sure we could pay him for a cameo, get him to narrate the story. You'd have to think so. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that'd be a good use for podcast funds. Anyway, illuminating from between my curtains were a pair of two eyes. These weren't regular eyes. They were dark, ominous eyes.

They were dark, ominous eyes. They were bordered and black and just plain out terrified me. That's when I saw his mouth. a long horrendous smile that made every hair on my body stand up the figure stood there watching me finally after what seemed like forever he said it a simple phrase but said in a way only a madman could speak he said go to sleep i let out a scream that's what sent him at me he pulled up a knife aiming at my heart he jumped on top of my bed i fought him back i kicked i punched I rolled around trying to knock him off me. That's when my dad busted in. The man threw the knife, it went into my dad's shoulder. The man probably, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I just, just the thought of like, I know movies do it all the time, but it's really not that easy to throw a knife. And like, trust me, as soon as you get done with this, this blurb, I have plenty of thoughts. I swear to go. I'll power through. Oh, yeah. All right.

Yeah. The man threw the knife. it went into my dad's shoulder. The man probably would have finished him off if one of the neighbors hadn't alerted the police. They, what? Okay. They drove into the parking lot and ran towards the door.

The man turned and ran down the hallway. I heard a smash like glass breaking. As I came out of my room, I saw the window that was pointing towards the back of my house was broken. I looked out it to see him. I looked out it to see him vanish into the distance. I can tell you one thing,

I will never forget that face those cold, evil eyes and that psychotic smile they will never leave my head So this is the preamble entry into this story We haven't even gotten into who our main characters are This is just the excerpt from a survivor of something Now let me tell you something

This is not a horrible way to begin a story Of a preamble of some kind of newscast It's fun we see it in some kind of movies the problem with this for me is one like you said the child doesn't sound like a child yeah and then also there's a couple things one if we are to assume that this is that is a child am i supposed to be if something afraid of something that can be overpowered and kicked off by a 10 okay what number one and then number two with the dad um coming in is it supposed to be badass that that this smiling character can throw a knife to such a perfect degree and hit the dad in the shoulder? Like, is this now

an action sequence? It completely takes out any of the actual suspense and terror of anything going on when I'm like, okay, now this is just turning it. Like, I'm picturing this smiling figure as like Jason Statham or something like that. Yeah. Like a tiny, like,

little man. But I don't know. This whole thing, and then showing up one of the worst because it's like nothing was happening he was hiding in the room and the struggle lasts maybe half a minute maybe a minute uh and the police are in the driveway because the neighbor called them what

like well yeah like what well how did the neighbor even and this is all very nitpicky we can get of course but hey that's hard on this more at the end we are here to kibitch and complain so that is that but i but but i guess it's just the thing of like don't don't immediately

give the character an out. Like, don't give the villain an out immediately, or the victims an out, I should say, when it's like, well, thank God the neighbors just kind of so happened to hear something. It takes away all of the weight and momentum. But I do,

but this is going to come back later. I do want to put this out later because, like I said, I thought that this was interesting, but I will be harping on it later. So we are now introduced to our main character, Jeff, a young man, presumably mid-teens, because once again, God forbid they give us any kind of age to really

give an idea not even like a grade like they say because the whole thing here is where he's presumably mid-teens just they you know him and his family just moved to a quote

a new fancy neighborhood following his dad's promotion at work Jeff along with his mom whose name is Margaret and his dad Peter and Jeff has a younger brother named Lou who are kind of just going along with this new place

but they're living in this you know they're like hey it's cool that this is a new this is coming back to me oh no yeah we're in a new neighborhood and it's cool because dad got a promotion. We live in a

quote unquote fancy neighborhood. But then they're interrupted by their neighbor Barbara, who stops by to introduce herself and her son named Billy, who seems to be much younger than Jeff and his brother, Lou, but invites them over to Billy's birthday party in which Jeff's mom agrees to have them

all over, but Jeff isn't having it, and he quote says, Mom, why would you invite us to some kid's party? If you haven't noticed, I'm not some dumb kid. That's a legitimate quote that that was actually like i forget until you do it that you can actually do impressions really well uh because i can do the quotes from now and on if you want me to i'll do i'll do the

quote i can do the reading but i need you to do the children i'll do yeah i can do the i'll do the acting cool cool that sounds good sounds dope all right uh yeah i'm remembering details of this story now it does follow like everything so far is a stereotype like cold open someone tries to die tries to die tries to not die you know what I mean they've tried to die someone tries to die yeah

and then it's like well we just moved to the new neighborhood but the neighbors are you know it feels very very standard yeah I immediately start I mean like the beginning blurb sure

it has his mistakes but it wasn't until this direct quote which is why I put it in here where I said oh god we're in for this is going to be some schlocky cheesy which I have no idea who wrote this story, but I assume it was someone who was probably

around the same age as Jeff, which is also probably why they never allude to the actual age of anybody because they're just like, what's my age? It's how I'm seeing it. But I love this line. It feels like something out of a cheesy, like, extremely B-tier horror film. I'm not like the

other kids. Yeah, yeah. Mom, why would you invite us to some kids a party? If you haven't noticed, I'm not some dumb kid. Which is so cliche of like, I'm older now, Mom. I'm an old kid. But it doesn't come across as, like, also, like, genuine or charismatic.

It comes across as fucking, like, annoying. And it immediately sets in my mind that Jeff is an in-cell. I immediately start saying he's, like, a Reddit 4-chan kid who's like, God. And then now, because then I started reading, I was like, oh, God, his lines read so much better. If his voice is like this, and he's like, Bob, why would you invite us to some kids? party. If you haven't noticed, I'm not some dumb kid. God. It's so much better as like a nasally annoying, like, we got moved into this fancy neighborhood. Thanks, dad. It does keep the, it does keep the tone of like, don't you know I'm better than this? Don't you know I'm above all this?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm supposed to be on a rude scape. I don't want to be hanging out of Billy I'm supposed to be killing rats and rooenscape I have better things to do than socialize mom

you idiot stupid but Jeff's mom but Jeff's mom she isn't having it all right she doesn't give a shit she's like

you're gonna go to the party all right that's final she's like you know we need to socialize you need to get out of your room and stop playing runescape

that's an adlib that's a you know that's not in the story but that's what I like to think and Jeff goes up to his room realizing that arguing with his mom

going to get him anywhere but then something strange happens and quote this is from the story he says he walked up to his room and plopped down on his bed he sat there looking at his ceiling when suddenly he got a weird feeling not so much a pain but a weird feeling he dismissed it as if some random feeling he heard his mother call him down to get his stuff and he walked down to get it so what I like about this is he had a feeling feeling he had a feeling that was a feeling it wasn't a painful feeling but it was a weird feeling

which I don't know what kind of mental psychosis Jeff is starting to feel but this is where I'm like this is immediately once again like I said it's going to start coming full circle but this little thing is it doesn't feel like a feeling it feels like mental deterioration

It feels like somebody going, kind of becoming a bit wacky, is what I would say. Yeah, I completely forgot about this until just now that that was something they tried to build in, that like this child, this child is just sitting in his bed and he gets a feeling feeling. I completely forgot about that. This is way, for the podcast, this is much better than I remember, but like objectively, this is way worse than I remember. Yeah. I reading this whole preamble is you showed the how immature it is but there it's it's it's charming I don't want it completely shit on it it has a layer of charm to it but it's the idea of like it's

something charming because it's so it's so amateur um but it's like what what feeling though like I don't know what feeling it is he's like is it's a feeling feeling god I literally thought that is true it is a feeling it's a weird one I was wondering at this I was wondering at this point, is it going to go into magic? Because it's like, it's not a pain feeling, but a weird feeling. And I'm like, is he going to get superpowers or something? I don't know. But by the end of the story, he does, by the way.

Like, I do remember how weird it gets. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Also, something I want to clarify, if you've never, for one, one of the reasons we're making fun of it as much as we are is this is one of the bedrocks of like internet horror and one of the things that got me into it originally. so it's like making fun of my grandpa right like it it's very important i recognize it's very important i'm still gonna mock it for like throwing up at thanksgiving right because it's still funny

people also need to understand that sometimes when you point and you are having fun with something it's not that necessarily you don't like it but i think it's like you can you can laugh at things that you appreciate and that you like i think that people don't understand that i think that's why so many people get up in arms when it's like you don't like this thing that i like And it's like, I do like it, but it is kind of stupid and fun. Yeah. So I think that it's, I, I like plenty of things, and I respect plenty of things that I love to point at that I know are objectively kind of shitty. But that's fine.

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most. Hope you all check them out. Link is in the description and we are back to the show. Jeff has a similar feeling the next day. He has the feeling the next day. All right? Except this time he compares it to a tugging pain. So I'm like, okay, well now he's having a heart attack or something. I don't know what's happening to him. But he dismisses it. Good man. You know, Jeff, he feels the pain. He says, whatever, I don't care. And Jeff and his brother finish breakfast and go to the bus stop where we get maybe one of the cringiest antagonist intros ever, which is a boy named Randy. I have to do this one. Yes, and please do. Absolutely. Also, for everyone listening,

if you think we're jumping because we went from a murder description at the beginning to this, that's how the story goes. This is the legitimate flow of the story. We have not skipped anything. It goes from someone almost dying to, I'm not like those other kids and then what I'm about to read, okay? Yeah. All right. So, referring to the bullies at the bus stop they sat there waiting for the bus and then all of a sudden some kid on a skateboard jumped over them only inches above their laps they both jumped back in surprise hey what the hell the kid landed and turned back to them he kicked his skateboard up and caught it with his hands the kid seems to be about 12 one year younger than jeff he oh we got an age so there he goes we got an age so jeff is 13 Jeff's 13 Jeff's 13 Jeff's 13 oh Okay, cool. Okay. That makes this way worse for him.

It does. It does. But continuing. The kid seems to be about 12. One year younger than Jeff. He wears an Araposal shirt and rich blue jeans. So Jeff and his brother are at the bus stand. And then this kid, as described, an Araposal shirt of ripped jeans, jumps a skateboard over them.

Well, well, well, it looks like we got some new meat. This is a 12-year-old. It's a 12-year-old. Suddenly, two other kids appeared. One was super skinny, and the other was huge. Well, since you're new here, I'd like to introduce ourselves. Over there is Keith. Jeff and Lou look over to the skinny kid.

He had a dopey face that you would expect a sidekick to have. that's pretty that's that's pretty mean to just be like he he looks like a sidekick you're a sidekick you look just like a sidekick he's like really i'm keith and he's troy they look over at the fat kid talk about a tub of lard that's not that's not a quote that's the story calling him a tub of lard that's a legitimate quote yeah from the story talk about it double R. Jesus. The narrator had to be like, this kid was fat.

Well, read the next line. This kid looked like he had an exercise since he was crawling. Why is the narrator telling us that? That's so mean. I'm really going to put an emphasis how fat this child is. Child obesity is such a problem in this country.

He had to break character to explain to the audience how fat this person was. He's large. So large. And I, said the first kid, am Randy. Now, for all the kids in this neighborhood, there's a small price for bus fare if you catch my drift. This 12-year-old's running a racketeering scam. If you catch my drift, loose it up, ready to punch the lights out of the kid's eyes.

When one of his friends pulled a knife on him, bro, what? Exactly. Exactly. Wait, dude, I think I just remembered where this is going. this story's insane. When I read this at like 11 years old, this all made sense. I'm like, yeah, this is a clear, this is clearly a viable like story. This could happen. But oh my gosh. Yeah. It's hitting every possible cliche it can. It's trying to be seven different stories. So far it's trying to be, it's basically like it starts off with a Jason Statham action sequence and now it's veering its way into like it territory. Yeah. Is what it feels like. Like the weird like bullies who have like, They're like speak easy, like 1950s do-op haircuts and knives, and they're writing skateboards. And they're like, he-ha, tis, tis, tis. You know what I mean?

It's unbelievable. They literally pull a knife on another child, yeah. Yes. All right. Which also, what child did you ever know growing up who had like a butterfly knife? What child at all did you know growing up threatened somebody with a knife that wasn't born in 1933? I need to know. I have to know.

I'll give you this. From East Tennessee, I knew a lot of kids had knives, like, because we thought it was cool. I never, I was never in a knife fight. I never knew someone my age who got into a knife fight. That's true. That doesn't happen that much. Yeah, I guess it could just be like a random little pocket knife. I just always imagine, like, the one that you click, like the butterfly knife for the one you, like, click it, and it like slips out.

Yeah, yeah, it's like a stiletto knife. Yeah, a stiletto, exactly. Like one of those where it's just like, don't be screaming. to nobody, cut you up. You'll be sleeping with the fishes. You'll be sleeping with the fishes. When I dice you up with my little knife. Literally a child.

Not even a teenager yet, man. Okay, all right. Does not have any hairs on his balls. He is just a prepubescent child, probably. So he has to be like, hey, I'm going to cut you with my knife. You sound like Mickey Mouse. It does Mickey Mouse. Every prepressive boy sounds like Mickey Mouse.

I digress. Go ahead. So, after he pulls a knife, he says, Tis, Tis, Tis. I had hoped you would be more cooperative. Okay. Me. All right, all right.

We're going to be here all day if I don't power through, but oh my gosh. Yeah, we're going to have to just power through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was hoping you'd be, like he's like a Sith lord, like he's Darth Vader. I'd hoped you'd be more cool.

I had hoped you would be more cooperative, young Jedi. It's like Marlon Brando. Okay, alright Marlon Brander like Christopher Lee Yeah Okay, all right But it seems we must do this the hard way The kid walked up to Lou

And took his wallet out of his pocket Jeff got that feeling again There's that feeling Now it was truly strong A burning sensation Kind of like, you know, syphilis He stood up But Lou gestured him to sit down

Jeff ignored him and walked up to the kid Listen here, you little punk Give back my bro's Give back my bro's wallet or else Randy put the wallet in his pocket And pulled out his own knife Wait, I thought Randy was holding a knife Oh, did one of the other kids have a knife?

I think it was the other kids Okay, all right Pulled it out Okay, all right, there's multiple knives The fat one or the skinny one Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha, gotcha The sidekick or the tub of lard is the story called them Yeah

It's true The dopey face, sidekick, the genetic abomination, or the tub of lord. Yeah, you're correct. Just a, so Randy pulls out his own knife. Oh, and what will you do? Just as he finished the sentence, Jeff popped the kid in the nose. As Randy reached for his face, Jeff grabbed the kid's wrist and broke it. Randy screamed, and Jeff grabbed the knife from his hand.

Troy and Keith rushed Jeff, but Jeff was too quick. he threw Randy to the ground Keith lashed out at him but Jeff ducked and stabbed him in the arm Keith dropped his knife and fell to the ground screaming Troy rushed him too but Jeff didn't even need the knife

he just punched Troy straight in the stomach and Troy went down as he fell he puked all over Lou could do nothing but look in amazement at Jeff what the once again another concrete another amazing concrete action sequence of Jeff the 13-year-old

getting business done, basically. He's dodging punches, stabbing people? Like, what the... Yes. This is also supposed to be... This is also, once again, we quote, a fancy neighborhood. And yet there's all these rapscallion

and hooligans going on, like a 1950s like a doo-op street warfare happening for some reason. There is a strong class system in this neighborhood. The children are left to the animals. They are. It is a literal Lord of Fly situation. in this neighborhood. But seeing the bus coming,

Jeff and Lou, the brothers, they know that they're going to be blamed for the assault on these people, which, you know, I mean, it is their problem. But there's good justification of like three people pulled knives on us. Yeah, if someone pulled a knife on you, I guess it's time to go to work, but you're also 12.

They didn't know that they were getting ready to stab Jason Bourne, but still, they didn't know, what do you do? So they decided to run away, Jeff and Lou decided to run away, only looking back to see the bus driver tending to Randy on the ground. the brothers went to school and didn't tell anybody what happened and uh this is this is another little excerpt from the story it says all they did was sit and listen lou just thought uh lu just thought of that his brother beating up a few kids

but jeff knew it was more it was something scary as he got that feeling he felt god here we go good lord dude as he got that feeling he felt how powerful it was he got that feeling he felt how powerful it was the urge just to her hurt someone he didn't like how it sounded but he couldn't help feeling happy he felt that strange feeling go away and stay away for the entire day of school even even as he walked home due to the whole thing near the bus stop wait what even as he walked home due to the whole thing near the bus stop bus stop and how now he probably wouldn't be taking the bus anymore basically even as he walked home and how he wouldn't be taking the bus even though he felt happy can't use the bus

anymore i see okay yeah yeah sorry it's a good lord uh when he got home his parents asked him how his day was and he said in a somewhat ominous voice it was a wonderful day okay hold on once again we're getting some very in-cell energy now yeah yeah yeah for sure but also there's no like he used the kids pulling a knife on him as an excuse to hurt them he already had that feeling as the story made clear before that happened so jeff one to hurt people because he moved to a nice neighborhood. Jeff moving to a nice neighborhood was probably the worst thing that could have ever happened to him. He needs to kill people now, according to him.

Yeah, apparently now this feeling, which the feeling that we're feeling, the feeling that we felt before that we felt and we're feeling now that we felt that we feel is Jeff, is Jeff basically being like, I feel like I want to hurt someone, which once again, only adds to the narrative that does this. not sound like some 4chan in-cell school shooter vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's becoming more and more clear. So I was like, okay, well, where are we going with this?

Which the next morning, officers show up to Jeff's house wanting to speak with him about the assault on Randy, which is just funny. I like how they, you know, I love that it's the salt on Randy. You hurt Randy, Jeff. He's 12 and he has a skateboard, Jeff. Come on. Jeff tries to explain that Randy was the one who pulled the knives on them. But with the injuries, Jeff looked, but with all of the injuries.

that Randy, the fat tub of shit and the skinny guy had, Jeff looked like a complete monster. He looked too guilty. So Jeff confesses to the crime. And which is funny, I do like that this is also a direct quote. The officer literally says, after Jeff's like, yeah, I did it. All right, I did it.

The officer says, well, kid, looks like a year and juvie. What kind of response is that? Well, kid, damn. That's not how cops work. You got a year. and juvie coming your way.

You know what, you know what? That actually further backs up your theory that this was written by like a kid or like, you know, pre-teens high school, whatever. It has to be. Because only they would think that like the way it works is a cop shows up. And it's like, you stab this kid?

Well, I'll put you in juvie a year. Come on. Right. Direct to juvie with you, son. Yep, yep. Looks like one exact year of juvie. Come in your way. That's the bill. Exactly. It's like, yeah.

I just decided that right now, and that's how it's going to work. You're coming with me. I am the judge and the executioner. You're going to be put to death, Jeff. The author has never even heard of a courtroom. Yeah, no, they think that that's a made-up place for TV shows. And also, also, the idea that you can, if the court finds that you maliciously stabbed another child, they're just like one year. One exact year. To you, Jeff, the man with feet. feelings, who you felt. Jeff, are you feeling those feelings now? Uh, maybe. Have you felt them when you feel them? Have you felt them when you feel them and you've felt them when you've felt

field, Jeff? Oh, okay, hold on, hold on. Can I read this next part? This is so good. Yeah, go ahead. I'm looking at this text document right now. Okay, so cops like, well, it looks like you're going to jail for a year. And then it says, Lou interjects at the top of the stairs holding a knife in which all the officers immediately pull out their guns and point it at the child holding a kitchen knife. Oh my gosh. Lou confesses for the crime to save Jeff and everyone just believes him even though

wouldn't Randy tell them who didn't? But at the end, Jeff's mother consoles Jeff by saying, quote Jeff please you don't have to lie we know it's Lou you can stop bro bro okay so the cops Randy's like hey I got stabbed by this kid who's a year older than me and the cops go to his house and then they're like well you're going to jail for a year but then an unrelated child is like actually I did it and the cops like works for me so he throws that kid literally he just throws that kid in the police car and then the mom's like Yeah, I mean, sure, it's still my son, but who cares?

Like, get over it. It's just, it's insane to me that they sit there and they're like, yes. Like a kid's just like, I'm holding a knife. Basically, essentially, like, what, like 11 or 12 year old? Because I think Lou is younger than Jeff. So he's sitting at the top of the steps with a knife. And then all the cops immediately pull a gun out on him. Like, I mean, like three cops pull a gun.

They're like, drop the knife, Lou. And he's like, I did it. I did the crime. And they're like, all right. We believe you. And when I was reading it, I was like, why wouldn't rain and just be like, no, that's not,

it's the other guy. That's not the kid who beat the shit out of me. Isn't Lou the younger brother too? Yeah, exactly. So now it's like a nine-year-old like decked out these three older kids. And they're like, all right, fine.

A year for you, nine-year-old boy and juvie. That's how the law works. I'm sorry, I've got to do it. I love how I love how his mom Margaret is just so like she just it's so funny how dumb

they write her like she's just like Jeff please you don't have to lie we know it's Lou you can stop what kind of sentence what kind of human sentence is that it feels like Margaret Bot

came up it's like she's like just some kind of robot and she's like Jeff please you don't have to lie we know it's Lou you can stop what would you like for dinner son but Jeff he's riddled with guilt now his brother's taking the blame for feeling alone

in this new town and a couple of days pass and it's Saturday only a couple days right since like put that into context a couple of days it passed since the mom and the family have found out that their son stabbed and beat a man to death Jeff has been this depressed sack of shit

staying up in his room feeling all depressed whatever guns were pulled on your child who was holding a knife like a complete fucking psychopath and all of a sudden, Jeff was woken up by his mother to let him know that, hey, we have to get, remember Billy? We need to get ready for Billy's birthday party, Barbara, you know, remember? Her son, we're going to the birthday party. And that's when, I just wanted to read this excerpt because this is really funny.

This is a long blurb from it, but it's a very funny back and forth. So I wanted to read this. It's, uh, Jeff, it's the day. She said as she opened up the curtains, let the light flood in the room. What, what's today? asked Jeff as he said. stirs awake. Why? It's Billy's party. He was now fully awake. Mom, you're joking, right? You don't expect me to go to some kids party after... There was a long pause. There's a lot of also long pauses. It's very anime. I've noticed. A lot of it's like, you don't expect me to go to

some kid's party after... Jeff, we both know what happened. I think this party would be a good thing that brightens up the past days. Now, get dressed. Jeff's mother walked out of the room and downstairs to get ready herself. He fought himself to get up. He picked out a random shirt and a pair of jeans and walked downstairs. He saw his mother and father all dressed up. His mother in a dress and his father in a suit. He thought, why would they be wearing, why would they ever wear such fancy clothes to a kid's party? Son. Son, is that all you're going to wear? said Jeff's mom.

Better than wearing too much, he said. His mother pushed down the feeling to yell at him and hit it with a smile. What the heck? Now, Jeff, we may be overdressed, but this is how you go if you want to make an impression, said his father. Jeff grunted and went back up to his room. I don't have any fancy clothes, he yelled downstairs. Just pick out something, called his mother. He looked around his closet for what he would call fancy.

He would find a pair of black dress pants. He had for special occasions and undershirt. He couldn't find a shirt to go with it, though. He looked around and found some striped and patterned shirts, none of which go with dress pants. Finally, he found a white hoodie and put it on. You're wearing that, they both said. His mother looked at her watch. Oh, no time to change.

Let's go. She just, she said as she heard of Jeff and his father out the door, they crossed the street over to Barbara and Billy's house. Now, I quoted all this because one, what a completely inhuman interaction to have. And then two, here's a couple things. why they he said something up here where I was like okay we get this dialogue of him saying he picked out a random shirt and a pair of jeans and walked down to stairs he saw his mother and father all dressed up his mother and a dress and his father in a suit he thought why would they why they would ever wear such a fancy close to a kid's party so I thought okay

is this going to set up some kind of weird like orientation thing yeah something of like I don't know. Something devious or whatever. A reason for the parents to wear fancy clothes to a kid's birthday party. And then to also be mad that he's not wearing because he essentially puts on a shirt and jeans. That's not the worst outfit for a child's birthday party. Yeah, yeah. That's like what are they doing at the child's party?

Like talking about the stock market, they're going to play around in the yard. Yeah. And you would think that it's setting up something to be more than what it is. And then there's also like this rushed aspect of her being like, There's no time. We have to go. They live next door. And it's a child's birthday party.

It's not a hard deadline. It's not a hard deadline. It's not a child's birthday party next door. Also, who on earth like, okay, so it's a child's birthday party, right? And the parents are going for some reason. But this is the same woman who when she found out her even younger son was responsible for his stabbing was just like, Jeff, clearly your younger brother.

Like the cop said he's going to jail for a year. So let's stop thinking about that. and let's wear our ball gown to this other child's birthday party. Yeah, let's play a dress up as if we're going to prom and go to this young person's birthday party, which also, that's a funny thing of like, we know that you're upset that your brother is a psychopath, Jeff. All right, we get it. But we have to go make an impression with the neighbors.

Why? Why would you need that? And then also, how would the neighbors not be like, hey, by the way, you guys aren't invited anymore since your kids are fucking psychopaths? but no they're just like hey please come over be alone with my children i really want you to be alone with my children jeff i know that you're manic and this happened three days ago but please be alone with here and one kid they're in the neighborhood for one day and a kid gets stabbed like literally do not invite them over that's so weird one day and Jeff stabs the kids and breaks their wrists with ease mind you with ease to break someone's bones i feel like would be relative i mean

I have never done it. But I have to imagine... It's going to be pretty tough. You'd have to have some kind of godlike force to just do... Especially as a child. Well, hey, Hunter, he had a feeling. The feeling was felt and reciprocated that he felt the feeling. Clearly, that is true.

Yeah, that rides it out. Which they go over to the party. And Jeff notices that at the party, all of the adults are inside and the kids are outside. Barbara tells Jeff to go outside and play with the kids, which at first, he doesn't like he doesn't like being out there hanging out with him but he almost immediately says he has a fun time

when he quote pretends to shoot kids at the party because it was the first time he hadn't thought about his brother in Juvie which I thought was very funny

nothing at first it was really annoying brother of Juvie like killing children bang bang you're dead bang once again does that not read

like a school shooter I mean honestly does that how are we not prepping up that this is a school shooter thing I was like okay I feel like I'm kind of reading

this from a mile away sure but no you know but and then you you think that it's going somewhere and then once again you have the weird the weird crossover with like the importance of being in a dress-up situation which that goes nowhere you go outside and then he's like oh I feel good about you know fake killing these kids yeah I'm having fun I'm not thinking about my brother in jail anymore this is probably going to be him I guess not able to control that crazy feeling, right? Boy, I sure do love killing.

Yeah, God, I love killing. That's the feeling. I love killing. And you're like, okay, that makes sense. But no, it doesn't go anywhere from there. Instead, suddenly, at this party, right, this backyard party, Randy, the kid who pulled the knife and had the skateboard, all him, Randy and his fat friend and the skinny guy, hop over the fence at the party, and all hell is about to break loose, which I was going to say,

if you want to take this part, you can. I'll take this part. I also want to clarify, this is a big one. For listeners, they're probably listening to this and thinking like, what, where did that come from? Like, he's talking about shooting kids. I'm telling you. And then it just says they show up. This is what it, this is verbatim.

This is the legitimate flow. Yeah, I'm going to read the sentence right there. It says, so he played with the kids for a while until he heard a noise, a weird rolling noise. Then it hit him. Randy, Troy, and Keith all jumped over the fence on their skateboards. Like, just. It goes from just like him fantasizing shooting children to the gangs here. We got to get out of here.

The doo-op 1950s clan is here to wreak havoc on Billy's birthday party, which Billy should be pissed, but we never hear from Billy, which I could hear his perspective. But, yeah. So, yeah, so suddenly Randy and his goons hover the fence and all hell is about to break loose here. And then it says, hello, Jeff is it? He said, we have some unfinished business. So anime

So anime Jeff saw his bruise nose I think we're even I beat the crap out of you And you got my brother sent to JDC This does feel like an anime I'm telling you I think we're even

I beat the crap out of you And you got my brother sit to JDC They're making those weird Like moaning noise to themselves As the other's talking God. Bah. Like, yeah.

Hello, Jeff is it? He said, and he pushes up his glasses or whatever with his pinky. And he's like, we have some unfinished business. All right. Randy got an angry look in his eyes. Oh, no. I don't go for even. I go for winning.

Oh, gosh. God. Good Lord. I go, all right, hold on. I have to lean into it. oh no I don't go for even I go for winning

you may have kicked our asses that one day but not today I just caught what you were doing they're like as he hold on hold on

will you be Jeff for the rest of the scene and I'll be ready okay alright I'll do the narration but if it gets to a Jeff line you take it okay yeah I will Yeah, yeah. As he said that, Randy rushed at Jeff.

They both fell to the ground. Randy punched Jeff in the nose and Jeff grabbed him by the ears and head butted him. Jeff pushed Randy off of him and both rose to their feet. Kids were screaming and parents were running out of the house. Troy and Keith both pulled guns out of their pockets. Whoa! Troy and Keith both pulled guns out of their pockets on the parents. Okay.

No one interrupts or guts will fly, they said. Randy pulled a knife on Jeff and stabbed it into his shoulder. Jeff screamed and fell to his knees. Randy started kicking him in the face. After three kicks, Jeff grabs his foot and twist it, causing Randy to fall to the ground. Jeff stood up and walked towards the back door. Troy grabbed him.

Need some help. He picks Jeff up by the back. It's literally the fight thing, like going somewhere. I'm telling you to it. Exactly. He picks Jeff up by the back of the collar and throws him through the patio door. As Jeff tries to stand, he's kicked down to the ground. Randy repeatedly starts kicking Jeff until he starts coughing up blood. Come on, Jeff.

Fight me. He picks Jeff up and throws him into the kitchen. Randy sees a bottle of vodka on the counter and smashes the glass. Blatts over Jeff's head. It's a 12-year-old. This is a 12-year-old, by the way. This is a 12-year-old. This is a gang of a posse of 12-year-olds.

They've got guns aimed at the parents right now. They have 12-year-olds have guns at gunpoint, keeping everybody hostage, basically, all this fight is happening. In a, quote, nice neighborhood. In a quote-unquote, fancy and nice neighborhood. Okay, so he smashed his vodka over Jeff's head and goes, fight! He throws Jeff back into the living room. Come on, Jeff.

Look at me. Jeff glances up, his face riddled with blood. I was the one who got your brother. This is so good. I was the one who got your brother sent to JDC. And now you're just going to sit there and let him rot in there for a whole year. You should be ashamed. Jeff starts to get up

Oh, finally You stand and fight Oh finally You stand and fight Jeff is now to his feet Blood and vodka on his face Once again He gets that strange feeling

He gets that I got a feeling Oh Oh my gosh The feeling Keep showing up Once again He gets that strange feeling

feeling, the one in which he hasn't felt for a while. I thought he was feeling it that day. He's felt it continuously for a fucking week now. Yeah, okay. Yes. Finally, he's up, says in my head, Randy sounds like Vegeta. Like,

finally, he's up. Yes, yeah. Finally, he's up. Says Randy, as he runs at Jeff, that's when it happens. Something inside Jeff snaps. His psyche is destroyed. All

rational thinking is gone. All he can do is kill. He grabs Randy and pile drives him to the ground. He gets on top of him and punches him straight in the heart. What? The punch

causes Randy's heart to stop? No. No way. This 13-year-old just punched 12 girl's heart and killed him punches him in the chest he one punched him

what the heck gives him the fucking five-figure death punch from Kill Bill this is the strongest 13 year old ever he literally punched I was joking about this

being like a dragon ball fight this is actually a dragon ball fight like he's on the ground it's so anime it's the scene with the camera zooming in like come on

and you can hear like the guitar and he's like powering up Yeah, yeah, exactly. The punch causes Randy's heart to stop. As Randy gasped for breath, Jeff hammers down on him. I thought he was already dead. Punch after punch, blood gushes from Randy's body

until he takes one final breath and dies. He punched a child to death. He's also a child. He punched a 13-year-old child, punches a 12 year old child to death he punches him so hard in the chest

that Randy is unable to breathe anymore mind you while this is happening his friends are like pointing guns at him

and like everybody at the party even the adults are watching this nobody is breaking up these infants like tussling yeah yeah

you know what I mean not one person I understand there's guns involved but there's like 40 year old men watching this like if only

I could do something yeah like they're especially because now I'm picturing it like an old-timey bank robbing thing when their hands are up and they're like oh don't don't shoot us mr. 12 year old you can't the fat kids are eating all of billy's birthday kid I'm fat I'm the fat one the fat and skinny kid are wearing like pinstripe suits yeah with that with like the little like eye cuffling like burglar old-timey burglar deals yeah yeah I've got bowler hats

give us all your sweets and all your candy Which everyone looks at Jeff The parents and the children And even Randy's goon friends Troy and Keith Goon friends Yeah I like to say goon friends Which Troy and Keith proceed to shoot at Jeff

In the small house and they miss every shot All right And Jeff runs away until he gets into the bathroom In which he rips a towel rack off the wall And Troy and Keith make their way up there They fire some more shots, miss again And basically Jeff just beats Troy's face in until Troy is like, I don't know if he's lifeless, but he falls to the ground hard.

And immediately, Heath grabs and like starts choking Jeff and he pushes Jeff into a wall in which a, like a container of bleach plops over and it starts covering Jeff's face and body. Jeff takes the towel rack, beats the living hell out of Keith until Keith is basically dying on the floor. And Keith, as he's laying there dying, cracks a big. smile and Jeff says what's so funny Keith pulled out a lighter and switched it on let's study

he said is that you're covered in bleach and alcohol Jeff's eyes widen and Keith threw the lighter at him as soon as the flame made contact with him the flames ignited the alcohol in the vodka while the alcohol burned him the bleach bleached his skin the bleach bleached his skin

just let out a terrible screech as he caught on fire he tried to roll out he tried to roll out of the fire, but it was no use. The alcohol had made him a walking inferno. He ran down the hall and fell down the stairs. Everybody started screaming as they saw Jeff, now a man on fire, dropped to the ground, nearly dead. The last thing Jeff saw was his mother and the other parents trying to extinguish the flame. That's when he passed out. So basically, Jeff gets fucking lit on fire like a goddamn, you know, fireball, rolls downstairs. No one like,

tries to pat him out. They are watching this child. Rolling on the ground, they're just like, oh my God. Jeff, you're on fire. While they're all wearing their evening ballroom gowns and stuff. Yeah, they're great Gatsby party outfits for some reason. They're all probably

fucking smashed. First off, that's like one thing I was like, okay. They're trying to elude with the vodka thing is that everybody at the party's like, no way. So want to help. And like, all. all just trashed. They're all just hammered. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you'd have to imagine. Which Jeff wakes up in the hospital. His face is wrapped in gauze in a cast, and he also has a cast on his shoulder and stitchings all over his body. Yeah. Presumably from getting stabbed,

you know, rolling down a thing. Not to mention, like, the, to keep, to keep track of everything, the story just went, a three kids show up at an unrelated kid's birthday party, Billy, the poor victim whose birthday, I'm sure, was ruined. Um, yeah, I don't think that that was a happy ending to that party. Yeah, and then all the parents of the neighborhood, and they're like, like you said, they're great Gatsby clothes. Just watch as a fight breaks out and Jeff kills three children. And then he gets set on fire. And it says before he passes out, they're just looking at him.

We are presumably thinking that, yes, the adults did nothing to stop the death of four children at this party. Which the death of the four children also was no accident. it was a full-on fight that broke out in the house. Yes, two of the kids did have guns pointing at their parents, but how could they have let this happen? It's what I want to know. It's a shot. They are a fat child and a skinny child.

You can tackle them. I don't care. Yeah, one of them is wheezing. Yeah, one of them is wheezing, like can't really control his breath because he's so fat. The other one can barely open his eyes. He's a genetic abomination. It's like a pug and a bulldog having a gun is what it feels like. And hey, let's keep in mind, let's keep in mind a nice neighborhood.

It is a quote-unquote fancy neighborhood. Let's also not forget that it's a quote-unquote fancy neighborhood. All right, which I always, every time I read that, I'm like, it reminds me, it makes me think of like the desperate housewives like neighborhood or something like that. Like super upper middle class, like big suburbia kind of thing. But from the events, from the events that happen, it's a war zone. It's like, from the events that happen, it is, yeah, a literal war zone. So I don't know. I can't tell if, also, what is his definition of fancy, you know?

That's good point. Is it actually, is it just like barely better? Is he just now not living in our part? We don't know. Not enough is given. Yeah. But we do know that it is quote unquote fancy. It is fancy.

All right. And if that is one thing to take away from this thing, it is quote unquote fancy. Which I'm going to say from now on our podcast is quote unquote fancy. This is a quote, unquote yeah yeah because i mean just like the story who who's going to fight us on it like we said so so this is a fancy podcast this is a respectable podcast this is a uh respectful podcast uh and it's definitely i have a feeling a high society i have a feeling that i felt well i had a feeling

that i felt earlier today that this was a quote unquote fancy podcast and i did feel that when i felt it earlier today and when i had that feeling so i knew that that was what i was going to do and i did have a feeling too that a gang of 12 year olds were going to come in uh beat the shit out of me and shoot me in the back of the head with their guns. You felt a feeling I had. You felt a feeling of a fancy feeling podcast feeling earlier today that you felt? I did have a fancy feeling. I had a fancy feeling that this would be a fancy podcast that I felt earlier today when I had

that feeling. So that's where we ended up. That's a fancy feeling. It is a pretty fancy feeling. And I'm going to digress by taking that feeling and putting in this feeling that I need to read more of this story. Which is, Jeff is in his part. Yes, go ahead.

I'm just looking at this. All right, so. Jeff's in the hospital, right? And then he starts to come to in the hospital bed because, you know, he's now murdered three people. Yes, that is true. He's 13. He's basically killed one child twice, which is pretty funny. Yeah, yeah.

After hours of setting alone, he finally heard his mother. Honey, are you okay? She asked. Jeff couldn't answer, though. His face was covered. Can I pause for a second? I just realized the wording on that. Can I pause for a second?

Honey, are you okay? She asked, this woman saw her son fight off three other people that were trying to kill him, and he had bleach all over him and was in a ball of literal fire, rolled down steps, and basically died at her feet. And the first thing she says to her now conscious, I don't know how a miracle child is,

honey, are you okay? Mom, no, I could be a lot better. All right? The worst mom that ever live. She sold her son out to the cops. She lets, she makes Jeff, like, wear the stupid outfit doesn't help him. And then it's like, are you okay? This mom is checking out immediately.

This is a mom who does not want to be a mom at all. Yeah, no. Oh, my gosh. Sold her son out. And if anything, she was, she's upset that Jeff is still alive, I bet, is what I'm looking at. She's like, I was so close to being free. I was so close to having my 20s back. Sabine.

Oh, absolutely. Oh my gosh bro. That's so funny. Honey, are you okay? You're like, can I pause? So she asked, honey, are you okay? He was unable to speak. Oh, honey, I have great news. I don't want to hear anything she has to say. Oh, honey, I have great news. After all the witnesses told the police that Randy confessed to trying to attack you, they decided to let Lou go. That's not, none of this is how police work. None of this is how police work. is how any of it works. Oh, that turns out that cop throwing the child into jail for a year, incredibly unconstitutional.

Like, they ate him up for that. I also would have no sympathy for my mom where it's like, oh, honey, I have great news. After all the witnesses told the police that Randy confessed of trying to attack you, they decided to let Lou go. It's like, dude, didn't we already tell you that this guy came at us with knives?

And it took you guys to be held at gunpoint to even give a shit about this? Like, okay, well, now we believe you. It's like, yeah, I told you that yesterday. When you probably found his body, you probably found a bunch of knives on him. Now that you're a goddamn psycho. Now that you're in a hospital bed, it's reasonable. Okay, it wasn't before

but it's reasonable now. Yeah. And also I love that it says, she says, he'll be out by tomorrow and you two will be able to get to be together again. I like how they're just like, well, we've got to keep you for another day. It's like, we know you're free with the crimes, but we're going to have to hold you for another day.

We'll let you go tomorrow, all right? So get back in your cell. We're going to lock that up. Okay. You're a free man. Way to go, Lou. You're a free man. Yeah, like, looking at a nine-year-old, like, looks like your time is up.

I hope this institution is, like, he's just. Yeah. I hope this has rehabilitated you to go back into normal society, Lou. He, like, has his billy club, and he's, like, hitting it on the, uh, on the, um, the, um, bars whatever. Kling, click, clink, cling,

cling, click, click, sleep tight Lou, we'll catch you tomorrow. Like, do you

remember, you know what a nine-year-old looks like, like how young we're tall. I know the story doesn't say nine,

but it says, he's younger than 13. Yeah, it's like a baby, right? Like a, like a long baby. Just throw him in there.

Yeah. That monster. He's with, his bunk made is a 19, or is like an 18-year-old or like, it's a 16-year-old kid

that fucking like skinned his parents. life. All right, you two, be sure to not be too crazy tonight. Sleep tight, Lou. You're a free man tomorrow. Don't go eating his face tonight, Greg. You know what, Lou? Shame on you for stabbing that self-respecting 12-year-old with open access to firearms and a racketeering thing going around the block in our fancy neighborhood. Shame on you for having that guy. I just want you know that this is a quote unquote fancy neighborhood and you went ahead and ruined it lou i hope you burn in hell look you i love the idea of a cop telling a nine-year-old to burn in hell

that's just a very funny thing to me look here boy in this fancy neighborhood we got feelings all right and these feelings are very important feelings and when a feeling comes along to mess up those feelings but we don't take too kindly to that we don't take too kindly to that your brother gets it but you're having a hard time wrapping around your stupid little head, Lou. Idiot! They don't get it. They don't get it. Lock them up. You know what? You're not going for you tomorrow. Never mind.

It's just a prison full of children. Literal children. It's like Willie Wonka's... This is the security system of Willie Wonka's family. Just tons of a kid. You wanted the chocolate, but you broke all the rules. It's like Randy has the police. paid off. He's like, he's like, he gives us a good share. He's got like all these

people. Yeah. I wonder how much Randy was making a year. How much he made every fiscal year? Probably a whole $37 if he was robbing like 10 year olds for money. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, how much really are people taking to lunch? But in this story, like the way that like this is written, those 10 year olds probably have a 401k. So I don't know. That is true. It is a fancy neighborhood. You have you seen the rich kids. That's true. It is a very fancy neighborhood. All right, so I'll continue So they decided to let Lugo This made Jeff almost bolt up

Stopping halfway Remembering the tube Coming out of his arm He'll be out by tomorrow And then you two will be able to be together again Jeff's mother hugs Jeff And says her goodbyes Wait wait wait wait wait wait

His mom His mom left him What Yes yeah just said the story I have the story pulled up To compare against notes To make sure we're right Yeah she just leaves

yeah she's like you guys be together tomorrow I'll talk to you later burn victim my son I know you're probably in tons of pain but mommy has to go home

she needs to drink it says the next couple of weeks where those where Jeff was visited by his family they visited they didn't stay at the hospital they did not stay at the hospital which also just goes to show

how unsympathetic his mom is his mom doesn't even stay she doesn't even care she's just like he's in the hospital he's fine You go home I want to need to sleep my bed Oh my gosh

Yeah Isn't that crazy This story is This story feels like it was Written by someone who really Hated their mom Like I was a fan of my chemical romance growing up But it feels like it was written by like

The quote unquote fan of my chemical romance Like mom's stupid I hate her Us 12 year olds we kill each other all the time You know That survive I was going to say It feels very comparable to like an Ariaster thing Ari Aster has some serious mommy issues too And it feels like this is definitely somebody

Who was having a rough time with her mom A little rough pumpkin patch with the mom for sure I promise you you're the first person in the world To compare Jeff the killer to Ari Aster I'm sure of it Both that influential Equally important works Equally important works

Yeah hereditary When people speak hereditary They're really speaking They're talking about Jeff the killer Absolutely Absolutely Yeah All right, so I see here, Hunter, that you left a note saying L.O.L. about let's hope for the best.

Yeah. Well, it's finally weeks packs. Jeff's bandages are able to be taken off. And the doctor taking the bandage off literally says, quote unquote, let's hope for the best. That's what the doctor says when taking off the bandages. I thought that was hilarious. It's like a burn victim. Imagine how, like, imagine how disgusting that would feel. You're a burn victim from some kind of thing. and as a doctor's taking off he's like what's hope for the best hopefully there's not a monster under here you know what I mean like why would you say that I just thought that was really funny all right so here's what we're going to do here this section I'm going to narrow it but I need you to do

the Jeff lines okay okay all right here we go ready so finally the bandages are removed and Jeff's transformation begins Jeff's mother screams at the side of his face Lou and Jeff's dad stare awestruck at his face what what happened to my face

Jeff said He rushed out of bed and ran to the bathroom He looked in the mirror and saw the cause of the distress His face It's horrible His lips were burnt to a deep shade of red His face was turned into a pure white color And his hair singed from brown to black

He slowly put his hand to his face It had a sort of leathery feel to it now he looked back at his family then back at the mirror Jeff said Lou it's not that bad not that bad it's perfect

his family were equally surprised Jeff started laughing uncontrollably his parents noticed that his left eye and hand were twitching uh Jeff Jeff? Are you okay? Okay. I've never felt more happy. Look at this face. It goes perfectly with me.

He couldn't stop laughing. He stroked his face feeling it, looking at it in the mirror. What caused this? Well, you may recall that when Jeff The story This is how it's written Well, you may recall that when Jeff was fighting Randy Something in his mind, his sanity snapped Now he was left as a crazy killing machine

That is, his parents didn't know Doctor, said Jeff's mom Is my son All right? You know, in the head? Oh, yeah. I love that the doctor says this. He's like, oh, yes, yes.

This behavior is typical for patients that have taken very large amounts of painkillers. If his behavior doesn't change in a few weeks, bring him back here. And we'll give him a psychological test. What? What? Every part of that paragraph is absolutely insane. The idea of Jeff, like, getting burns on his face, like laughing, loving his face. that's so good

the uh Jeff uh Jeff are you all right it's the equivalent of like the whole uh guys

you're going to want to see this uh guys he's right behind me he's right behind me I do like after the psychological test thing the mother says oh thank you doctor

just mother went over to Jeff Jeff sweetie it's time to go Jeff looks away from the mirror his face still formed in a crazy smile and he says this. Hey, mommy.

His mother took him by the shoulder and took him to get his clothes. Which now it's like, I don't understand the psychological thing because he's like, hey mommy. And he says mommy a lot now. It's like a weird, like, I understand he's going insane, but I wonder, is it also part of it supposed to be like, did he deage a bit more or something? A hunter. Hunter.

It's his feeling. That is a feeling. Okay, that's right. I forgot, that is the feeling he's feeling. Also, what you just said is his mental condition causing him to relapse in, like, age regression. You are three layers too deep for this story. That is absolutely true. I don't know why.

The reason he says mommy is because mommy sounds creepier. That's literally it. That's true. I'm grasping desperately for Strauss to make sense of this. You're like, perhaps his age is, like, falling back to a point of familiarity. It's like, bro. Perhaps it is a little more in depth than I. appear to, you know, maybe I think it's

playing us for a ruse. Yeah, uh, no, you're definitely right. It's just because it's like, oh, wow, it's because he had a feeling. It's weird. Exactly. That is the creepy feeling he's feeling. Um, this is what came in, said the lady at the desk. Jeff's mom's looked down to see the black dress pants

and the white hoodie her son wore. Now they were clean of blood and outstitched together. Jeff's mother led him to his room and made him put his clothes on. Then they left, not knowing that this was their final day of life so this is which also by the part we're like almost i would say we're pretty pretty close to the end of the story here what's weird is that the the horror aspect this to let you know typically in a this is the setup of a story and we're already to the finale because now we're setting up that

this everything that's happened so far is the set up to our monster which is in turn going to set us off in this tale of what this character is but instead they see set up is the legitimate story until we get the ending here which it wraps up in a nice way if you want to uh if you want to take the reins again abs i would be honored to so jeff goes home that night and then it's gosh late you know i'm like genuinely embarrassed right now for being so scared of this story as a child but with that in mind later that night Jeff's mother awakes to the sound

of someone crying in the bathroom when going to see what it was she finds Jeff in the bathroom having carved a smile in his cheeks

it's literally the Heath Ledger thing it's literally the Heath Ledger thing I'm telling you I'm telling you if this came around the same time

2008 it was impossible that that was not correlated it has to be from the dark night it has to be it has to be there's no way

all right would you like to continue being Jeff by the way yeah I'll keep I'll keep being Jeff Because you're too good at it to not. All right. Jeff, what are you doing?

Asked his mother. Jeff looked over to his mother. I couldn't keep smiling. Mommy, it hurt after a while. Now I can smile forever. Jeff's mother noticed his eyes, ringed in black. Jeff, your eyes! His eyes were seemingly never closing.

I couldn't see my face. I got tired and my eyes started to close I burned out the eyelids so I could forever see myself my new face Jeff's mother slowly started to back away seeing that her son was going insane

What's wrong mommy Aren't I beautiful Boo? Is why I say to that I throw my boo at you I hate that What's wrong mommy Aren't I beautiful?

literally that reads like why so serious does it not it has the same kind of cadence to it it's like it's like you can already see in like the writer's mind like this character being like drawn

on devian art with like aren't I beautiful written behind him you know like this was going through their head absolutely yes yep which actually from what I've seen a lot of the stuff from one of the stuff that I've seen

a lot of the fan art and stuff all of the people just put the go to sleep go to the beginning of the story yeah yeah yeah that's the go to yeah that's the go to yeah man so so like so jeff jeff like he has a feeling all right we we've established that we've established the feeling we've established the feeling that makes someone to kill people he gets an excuse to kill people and then after getting his face burned decides to also carve his mouth open and then also burn out his eyelids so he can look at his mouth um and now he's he now that he has the feeling the feeling's not gonna stop feeling so he has to keep killing people so you it's pretty apparent that the person who wrote this story saw the image of jeff the killer and then just wrote a backstory to that image 100% yeah 100% like without without a doubt which we're we're about to wrap let's wrap up the story like finish it and we can discuss more of it because i do have a bunch of thoughts about it but yeah we're right at the cut we're right at the tail end. All right,

I'll continue. I'll continue. All right. Now fully realizing her son has gone completely insane, Jeff's mom says she's going to go

get his dad to show him how good Jeff looks. The mom quickly goes to her room and wakes up her husband prompting him

to get his gun. Jeff's gone fucking insane. Get your gun. He's going to kill us. I love that. This mother does not,

that's another thing too, that you can tell that this is written by a very young person because there's no maternal or like parental instincts at all with how the parents are acting. It feels like a goosebumps book almost where it's like completely void of any personality, any emotion.

It's just like the kid is the complete centerpiece of it, which is fine. But it's like, I'll get into it later. But it's just, it's very funny. You can just tell that this is written by somebody who has no life experience in that realm. Right, right, exactly. So like, and also let's keep track of the mom through this story. tells her kids to get over their feelings doesn't believe them when they said they were attacked

lets her youngest son go to jail doesn't do anything while she watches her older son get nearly killed and then kills three of the people and goes to a party yeah goes to a party dressed like a mat gala yeah yeah yeah gets drunk at a party and then doesn't stay with her son

in the hospital the only thing she does is scream at him when his bandages come off and now when she finds him laughing clearly mentally distraught in the middle of the night. She's going to put him down. She goes to her husband and says, get the gun. Yeah, she's just like this old hound dog needs to be put down.

Peter, put him down. It's that, what's that the thing from Omni Man? I can always start over. Make another kid. That is some serious Omni Man energy. You know what? Never mind. The Jeff the Killer Writer is way ahead of his time.

Definitely. Yeah. All right. Never mind. It's in the clear now. All right. So, she sees Jeff in the doorway, who overheard what his mom said to his dad in which Jeff says, Mommy, you lied. Jeff proceeds to gut both of them. And then from here, I'm going to read out the last paragraph of the story, okay? Yes.

All right. His brother Lou woke up, startled by some noise. he didn't hear anything else so he just shut his eyes and tried to go back to sleep as he was on the border of slumber he got the strangest feeling oh no he got the strangest feeling that someone was watching him

he looked up before Jeff's hand covered his mouth he slowly raised the knife ready to plunge it into Lou Lou thrashed here and there trying to escape Jeff's grip if you would like to do the others yeah

just go to sleep and there we have it that's the story of Jeff the Killer that's the ending that is the legitimate ending to Jeff the killer which I want to slightly give some thoughts here because once again

I said at the beginning I was going to preface that the news article at the beginning I was going to come back to it and this is what I thought I legitimately thought that it was going to circle back to the news article and that Jeff was going to, that

this was Randy's kid. And that Randy was the guy who, and that's why he also threw the knife in his shoulder, because Randy stabbed Jeff in the shoulder. There's a lot of shoulder stabbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There is. So I thought it was Jeff getting revenge in a weird way and like maybe going to abduct or, you know,

murder Randy's kid or something for having, or like, or even Troy or Keith trying to get his revenge in some weird way. But that never comes back. There's so many, like, loose ends in this where it could have gone in a lot of different places. It's, it's very, very vanilla, very, you know, samsy, you know, a lot of cliches that come.

But I thought I was like, oh, that'd be a fun way to, like, full circle it. You know what I mean? If it goes back that, like, Randy's connected to the murder from the police report at the beginning. But no, it's just, it's just he's killing people, and then it goes back. And then it's like, yeah, and he killed people before, too. That's it. Yeah, and, you know, I think that there's ways to do serial killer kind of stuff where kind of like a, the best example of that is probably Michael Myers where it's just the horror is a, is it, it's just that he's a killing machine. Yeah.

That there is no justifiable reason. He's just a monster. That's, that's fine. But the thing about Michael, at least, you know, before they ruined it with like prequels and stuff like that, is that he's a very mysterious figure. you just get like a little blurb from him as a kid being kind of insane and then now he's like escaped this psych ward and he's like out and about the reason that jeff it's weird is that we start we're trying to sympathize with him as a normal character and then we're getting all of these feelings and the problem with having all these feelings and the meme of the feeling is that we never understand what it is it's never blatantly kind of said like what is it i think it's trying to be the idea that he has some kind of bloodlust but the problem with that is that every time he's ever attacked somebody to this story, it was self-defense. It was justifiable every time.

Yep. He only fights people who try to kill him beforehand. So I thought to myself, when I was reading it, I was like, okay, so he has this feeling of wanting to hurt somebody. So the first time he does it, it's an interesting way to maybe set up that the first time that you indulge yourself on these psychotic breaks is in self-defense. So in a way, even people around you are like, you had to do it.

You know, it was self-defense. you had to do it but no it's like he's punished for it but then he also defends himself again and i thought it would be people give light and like make a positive out of him defending himself like if anything if you're gonna go cliche with it have the dad be like you know that's my boy you know beating his ass whatever you really gave it to him good whatever right the the dot like the the the masculine dad who's really like supportive of you know you're not a pussy or something you know you're not a pussy you know you

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So then it's like he's rewarded for it until it goes too far to the point where, okay, well, now he's like, he's at the party and maybe he like hurts one of the kids or something like that. And then you have a slow deterioration of his character, but that never comes. It's just like, okay, he defended himself both times in justifiable ways. And then because he's a burn victim, we're supposed to just believe that he had a psychotic break, which once again, that could possibly work. But it's just so, it's so quick. like the ending is so abruptly quick

and that's where all the interesting stuff happens and it's so like even the way that they describe like the killing which you don't have to go in depth and I know I'm rambling by the way I apologize no this is good this is good I'm enjoying it but but the you don't have to go in depth with you know really schlocky

like really describing the disembowelment and stuff but I really didn't like how at the end it's just like he guts his parents and that's supposed to be there's supposed to be emotional way to that. I think that you have to put as much emphasis as you did into describing the nonsensical fights as you would as like putting emotional depth behind somebody by a kid going psychotic and killing his birth parents. But that also doesn't work because his parents are like very unlikable. There's no real trace that they actually

care about Jeff at all. Actually, it seems they actively hate him. Yeah. They actively hate him, then I almost wish that, like, that would have been dived in more to, like, it would have been more cathartic for him to kill his parents. That would have been an arresting serial killer creation if, yeah, like the parents maybe had like a hand in that, that maybe they're hating of him, pushed him that way. And the whole time, too, is that Jeff, the entire story is guilt-ridden, right, by his brother being arrested for his crimes. But he just not, he just kind of nonchalantly kills him at the end, which even if you're

psychotic, I think it does a disservice to not have any kind of emotional resentment. Like, if anything could have not have been like, hey, I killed them, you know, we can be free now or something like that. And then that's when Lou could like challenge him into where Jeff is like,

okay, well, I thought you were on my side. Fuck you. And then he kills him. But it feels like you have all this emotional tie-ins and all this build-up to not have it pay off at all. Like, it's just like, oh, I'm psycho and I killed him. Yeah, yeah. There's no weight to it. There's no emotional depth to it. There's no connection that the viewer or the, I mean, the reader can

have. It's just kind of nonchalant and it's creepy. It's just supposed to be like, and this is what I feel like is creepy. But I think horror, it, horror itself is very cheesy. Like, it's a very cheesy thing. It's fun. But a lot of the best horror is wrapped around great narratives and it's highlighted through these kind of crazy eccentric things. Because you can do the Joker smile thing you know you can have that be in there and not have it be so cheesy and stuff or even if it is it can still be fun but the way that this thing wraps up it feels just so cheap there's no real story or connection that we're trying to feel there's no kind of like character development or growth there's nothing really that I'm supposed to be fighting for the desperation of Jeff killing his parents holds no weight because there's nothing that's been established that I should care about this which um if it's It's kind of the biggest detriment to it. But it's interesting how captivating the story has been to people, which for 2008, it probably was something where you're like, oh, shit. You know, you read it and you're like, oh, God.

You know? But I don't know. I mean, this is my first time ever reading it was for this podcast. Once again, I've seen the episode, or I've seen that picture a billion times probably. Yeah. But I had never read the story. I've even heard Jeff the killer before, but I've never actually read it. Yeah.

it's so fascinating how it's so impactful to internet culture like when people think creepypossus they think Jeff the Killer and Slenderment like that's the two it's so impactful and looking back on it I'm so upset that it scared me as much as it did like this this was like the best we had to offer and like there were really good creepypastas some great stuff came out of that time period and we'll talk about some in future episodes but man, this was not one of those. No, no, it feels like very amateurish. I mean, there's a note up top here. I don't know what the site is for this. So apologies for not having the direct site, but it seems like the original creepy pasta is credited to the user Game Fuel TV and was actually removed from several creepy pasta sites

because of its perceived low quality. So I think even back then, some people were. Yeah, I think I remember hearing something about that. Yeah, yeah. It's very cheesy. It's interesting, though. I do wonder the philosophy of some of the things of, like, people, I think, desperately reach for reasons to feel scared and to feel like they have, like, a fun story. And I think, if anything, this just shows how dedicated people are into wanting to consume that kind of media.

Because Jeff, the killer, is definitely not the first one, but it's one of the most infamous. And I think it just goes to show to what, like, a single image of something can do. It's very much like, you know, when we were talking about Ted the Caver, having just, like, those little images in the same. there goes such a long way of like putting yourself in that thing and even having like this blown out meme image of Jeff the killer I mean as a kid it would be terrifying I mean it is a creepy image now it's horribly dated I mean it's like you know it is what it is but back then at the time like yeah it really on a razor flip phone it would fuck me up I was like sure the story didn't help me young me being afraid but it was really the image that did it like I saw

that image I imagine I remember falling asleep at night thinking of that face in the corner of my room, especially because like the modus operandi, so to speak, of Jeff the Killer, is that he like hides in your room at night while you're asleep and waits for you to wake up to kill you. So things like that would play out in my mind when I was afraid at night. So that's really what did it. The story, like, I thought was scary-ish, but it's the face that does the heavy lifting, culturally too, I think, because after this, Jeff the Killer found his way, I remember reading dozens of creepypastas that were either completely unrelated to him and then he just show up or like people would write these almost fan fiction creepy pastas about like jeff

the killer interacting with ilish jack or laughing jack or the slender man or you know stuff like that like they would all stick around each other um so i remember the character kind of becoming his own thing, but it was all very fanficy. Like, I can I can't think, I'm sure they're out there, but I can't think of a good story involving Jeff, sadly. Not like the character has a lot to work off

of anywhere other than being a creepy face, but yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the interesting thing even with like even something, because I mean, you know, Slender Man, I mean, anything that becomes extremely pop culture, I feel like has looked on as being cheap or whatever, but even with something like Slender Man,

just the idea is much more realized, I think, in terms of like, kind of like a Piper feel of like this thing wants to come out and abduct children, basically, like, take them away into like this interdimensional place, whatever. There's a lot more to go. Jeff, it's just, once you hear that it's just simply a burn, a 13-year-old burn victim. Who for some reason is like super strong sometimes, like he can one-punch someone, but other times a child can just kick him off right yeah and that's the thing too is like if a 10 year old child can just kick him off it's like what kind of threat does he really pose that's kind of

when he wants him he can one punch stop a heart right like it's his power levels fight fair a death punch a heart yeah snap a man's wrist very easily all that stuff which is you know that that's fun but it's it goes into there's there's times when being ambiguous is extremely helpful and fun sometimes I think that it can also be it can be a bit of a cop out I think that like if people are too ambiguous of things to me it's like they're trying to have the reader

do too much of the legwork which I think can happen but I do think that whenever you over describe these things you can ruin the mystique of what might make something mysterious or creepy like if you would have gotten like little bits of like almost if you imagine this narrative

where instead of having the news article the whole perspective or the whole story was a child talking to this person in his room or something one night whatever and it's like Jeff he's like trying to pride poke Jeff until inevitably Jeff is like giving him maybe an ultimatum of like

killing him or letting him go whatever and the kid is trying to buy time and you put some like actual respect into like a child character of having the the hindsight to try and you know survive in some kind of weird way then it becomes more disjointed

and if you are going through the Heath ledger joker vibe the best thing about that character is that he's lying the entire time he changes up his story about how he got his scars numerous times in the story and the whole thing is that he's not going to tell you the truth about it right if someone's truly psychotic why would they actually indulge you into like an actual story so it'd be kind of you know i think that there's a way that this could work and be interesting like i don't mind the idea of it being said in this in this uh the scene of like this like you know smiling face kind of hiding in the shadow talking to you and stuff and you know maybe like it doesn't want to be disturbed and the kid is trying to keep his parents

out because he knows that if the parents come in they could be killed by this creature so there's i mean i don't know the the influence is there it's very schlocky and fun it's such a small read too where it's like if you guys are looking for something kind of funny to digest that isn't such a big Herculian piece of literature. It's a very easy read. And there's even like, there's a great, I wanted to give a shout out to, because I read it, I read the story, but I also listened to a, to a rendition of it. Let me see.

I just want to pull up the name really quick. I think Mr. Creepypastom was where I heard the story for the first time. I'm pretty sure I listened to that back in the day. Or I, I listened to Chilling Tales for Dark Nights, as it was. And they do a great rendition of it. and they have like sound effects and stuff. So shout out them and Mr. Crupi Pasta as well. So really fun stuff.

I think the story is pretty fun to digest too in these audio formats where people put in voice acting in it and the sound effects. So it is overall very cheesy, but I would say a very swelled time. Good old Jeff the killer, dude. Nothing like some Joker scars. What a weird banger to go back and look at it. Yeah, I think what you were saying about anonymity is correct. if the story or ambiguity i mean if the story had remained just the face it would remain more unexplainable and creepy in hindsight but because we have all that it's like okay this is a bit

try hard it feels a bit try hard and i think it feels a bit uh it just feels dated yeah it just feels very very very dated and very like it's it's hard not to immediately be able to call the bullshit on it because it just feels so i mean just so aggribly dated i mean they're there's so there's so many people coming out right now that write so many great things like you know i mean cane pixels right to i mean and and also and also like if this story was like a project someone did to try to get better at writing when they were in middle school or whatever then you know i'm sure they're developing to a fantastic writer now and i'm sure they would probably say the same thing looking back like yeah this was yeah yeah with anybody in their work and i think as like a last

thought for me at least is this just goes to show too that like you don't have to be the best writer in the world to captivate people yeah like you don't like if there's any people that are like oh i'm one to i'm a pro like i'd love to write something but i'm too nervous to do something sometimes you just have to simply just write something and allow the scrutiny to hit you and sometimes you might be surprised by being like holy shit this thing really took off whatever you you don't have to be a master to tap into some of the core ideas that people like and to the imagination of people's that they like too so this is a is always make the video or write the story for sure for sure always every time don't snooze

you lose it's the whole deal so yeah i mean do you got any other thoughts or what do you think we about covered everything didn't we i would say i think we did i think jeff the killer is a what what a timeless classic of uh internet depravity of internet culture you got to love it i think that it's going to be something that stands with us and i think after we're long gone there's Jimmy people are still reading Jeff the Killer, laughing and giggling, wondering about some of these lines. I think that, and I think that that's so charming. I love it. Yeah.

And I think that on a closing note, too, if you have any suggestions of future, we've gotten a lot of comments about people asking about stories and stuff like that. And I did see one comment that I thought was interesting. Actually, it was a series of comments, but people saying that if we do know the subjects, we're getting ready to get like a Twitter set up to where we're going to probably prompt people what the episode's going to. to be so you can read the story as well before the episode so you're a little more informed that was a nice helpful comment all the comments have been amazing we guys you know all the love we've gotten on the first

episode has been beautiful beautiful beautiful yeah and I think too like uh like I said we want to cover a lot of classic horror stories we're looking some of the best ones some of the inspiring ones but we're talking about impact Jeff the killer is one of the biggest so we had to cover it and if we're going to cover it then we have to rag on it It's just how it works.

Yeah. We're going to, we're going to have some goofs. It has nothing but respect in our hearts. You know what? You know, let's do this. But my God is good.

Let's do this. Hunter, say one, and it can't be the face. Say one positive thing about that story. Hmm. Now, are you talking about,

is it any general positivity? Are he talking about actual constructive positive? Because there's a lot of positivity when it comes to. Like, tell me something you liked about it. Unintentional, funny. Like,

tell me something you liked about it. Intentionally, intentional that you liked about it. Intentionally. I'm trying to actually, I'm trying to be completely honest. I know. I'm legitimately thinking. I know. I'm legitimately thinking. I think that.

I mean, I like the, I guess I like the set up with the news broadcast. at the beginning, even though it doesn't go anywhere, I still enjoy I enjoyed that little blurb. I like the idea of starting that the narrative or listening to is past tense versus present tense. So that's kind of an interesting

display of structure. Whatever, I'm not saying that it's not on levels of like pulp fiction or anything, but I just mean like... Sure, sure. I like the idea that like this thing is still happening. And by the end of the story, it's like that's technically the beginning of this like rising killer i guess if i had to think about a positive i'll take it very nice i think uh i'll say uh even though we made fun of it the whole like uh oh he had a feeling feeling like he got a feeling that is better that is better than just

doing what most other stories of this caliber would do and whenever he gets burned at the end just say his mind snapped then they did partially foreshadow the even though that was always their intention even though the story's just to rush to how the face came to be i like that there was a feeling rather than just after the hospital he just kills everyone because he's crazy because his face is messed up i like yeah that's true i like the feeling in other words i i i yeah i appreciate the idea that they were like that there was intention behind it for sure yeah like it wasn't just There was at least a garner of setup for it, which is nice. Yeah, it wasn't just like, oh, his face was messed up, now he killed his brother, right?

Which also, not to immediately leave after we're talking about positives. The fact that everything that happened to him, all of his violence was to protect his brother, then he just kills him at the end, like, bro. That's what I mean. That's what I'm saying, is that it doesn't make any sense. Like, the idea that the whole time he's so guilt-tripped and ridden, which also, it makes sense that he kills his parents, and if anything, he, like, spares his brother at the end, And he's like, we're three or whatever.

And he's like, Jeff, what did you do? Or, you know, like, something like that to where you could have the parents be fucking terrible, but it needs to be more, it needs to be more aligned with the actual narrative. It needs to be set up better. But, you know, for him to just kid that, if anything, that was, that's my, that was my biggest complaint, honestly, like, not the cheesy dialogue or whatever else. It's just a sheer fact that he would just blatantly kill his brother.

And that's the literal finale of it makes no sense. Like, it completely undermines the entire, like, the entire set up, of this entire story so yeah yeah yeah not good but it has moments it has moments and that was it has moments that was jeff the killer which i don't know do we have any idea of what we're going to be doing next do you have the ideas well i feel like we could leave them on i kind of wanted to cover like a classic that was bad to kind of for one established to the audience that we might cover stuff like that uh but also to keep it varies so since we've covered like a famous one a famous like creepy pasta thing uh not creepy pasta like a uh uh like horse

story stares in the woods and now we've covered like a famous creepypost and kind of bragged on it a bit maybe next time we could pick like a personal favorite of ours or like something something that we legitimately thinks a good example of early internet horror and after we do three we'll have like three set about early internet horror then i think we can go anywhere we want we could go to like urban legends around the internet we'd go to more spooky stuff whatever you think but i think doing a personal favorite may be a cool third episode yeah we'll have to you we'll have to let people know maybe a little beforehand which ones we're talking about

but until next time I think that at least if you don't decide to participate in the read-along at least it'll be something surprising I'm very curious to see what you choose as well I'm also I think it's a good opportunity to leave a comment below too

of what's your favorite internet story I feel like there might be people that are cross-pollinating a lot of people with the same opinions of what their favorite stories are so that's going to be exciting to see but until next time this has been creepcast

with Beat Canyon and Windagoon Appreciate you guys. This has been a lot of fun, man. This is a ton of fun. I'm so happy to see this channel, this podcast, doing as well as it is. I'm really blown away by it. Are we not? We're now on Spotify as well, right? Yes, we should be on Spotify. I saw some people talking about that too. Yeah, no, we are on Spotify.

We should probably put something at the beginning of the video, like the little Spotify logo or whatever, just to let people know. But like, for those who are interested, you can go check us out on Spotify. So, but just to see people enjoy the show, uh, on any platform and like comment, leave constructive criticism, stuff like that, it really does mean the world. It's fantastic. So I'm, I'm so stoked. I'm excited to keep going to thank you all so much for watching. It means the most. Appreciate you guys. Hugs and kisses. Bye-bye. Hugs and kisses. Bye-bye. See you in the next one.