CreepCast - The Russian Sleep Experiment | Creep Cast

Episode Date: December 31, 2023

In this week's episode, CreepCast revisits another story from the golden age of Creepy pasta: The Russian Sleep Experiment. This tale of horror and misery has been fondly remembered for many years, but is it for good reason? Find out today on CreepCast!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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back to another episode of Creepcast Let's go baby Episode 3 Let's get

Episode 3. So it seems like we are, we were talking about doing Baras. Do you pronounce it Barascus or Barasca? I've always pronounced it Barasca, but I have no idea if that's correct or not. I only read it. Yeah, we could be completely wrong here. But we were, we're going to do that one, but it's a bit of a long one. So I think that we're going to wait to get all of the holiday rigamarole out of the way with visiting people.

you know, back-to-back holidays, all that jazz. So I think we're going to save Barasca for the new year, and we'll probably break that up into two parts since that's a bit of a longer one. But to me, I was like, you know, episode three, what's a great way to end the year? And it's on another classic, in my opinion, which is the Russian sleep experiment.

You know, I feel like that... I honestly am wondering if this is the first creepy pasta that I ever read or saw. I want to say that it is It's one of like the OGs I remember I don't know if it was the first one Honestly Jeff the killer might have been

The first one I read that or something like Laughing Jack But like the Russian sleep experiment Had to be the first 10 I ever read right Like it's one of the earliest creepy bosses out there And it's definitely one of the ones It's most well remembered Because I don't remember that much

before we get into it I don't remember that much around like specific story beats but I remember the ending and I remember obviously the image that got associated with it so it had things that worked for me the things that like I liked that even looking back on I'm like yeah that was well done

I'm not as what's the word pessimistic going into this as I was Jeff the killer no but I'm also I'm a little worried I don't remember a lot of the bones of this story, so we'll see. Yeah, and I guess to

well, here's the thing. This is a short enough story to where me and Wendy, we were like, you know, why don't we just read it? It's not that long. I feel like people, we've been getting more and more feedback that people like when we read this stuff.

So I figure, why not? I will say, I am not as pessimistic as Jeff the killer, like you are going into it as well. Like, I think we're on the same boat there. But I do think the there is, there's definitely going to be a level of cheese and angst.

Like I think it's, if I remember right, the ending is chock full of like some Joker level energy like lines, whatever, that I, that I fuck with. I think that like, even from a personal level, I think that like

that has even translated into my work. I like really cheesy, grandiose, almost like theater-driven dialogue, you know, regardless if you think that this, the problem is when people write it, they feel like Shakespeare, when really it looks like it's, it should be a line on the side of a monster energy drink can. That's the kind of, that's the juxtaposition that's happening. And I guess before we get into it as well, well, well, here's the thing too, like you

were saying that the imagery stuck with you, that the, what is it, that, that, that, it, it, it, it, it, it tied in to some really good ways. To me, when I first read this, I'm almost positive. Well, 100% I thought it was real. Because what I love about this is that it doesn't, I mean, like, you know, it branches into the fantastical in a, like, in a way. But really, it feels like any other fucked up war crime that would happen. And especially Russia?

Like, okay. Like, sure, the things it gets to are fantastical, but the actual premise of where it starts, you're like, yeah, I could easily see the same. tapping at like a labor camp that's being used by scientists or something. Like it is a much less far out there premise than a lot of these other stories start with. And for that, I don't know if I thought it was real per se, but I remember as a kid thinking this could be real until it gets to, you know, where the story does in the end.

Sure. So it's already, it's already tapering itself in a way most creepy pastas did it, you know? Like, it's reeling itself back a bit. so yeah like I said I'm kind of nervous to see where how it goes from here but we'll find out yeah I mean just the idea that like this is I mean this has to be one of the first creepy pasta

and I speaking completely out of ignorance totally out of my ass here but it has been one of the first ones that has based itself around trying to be something that is very like because for people that don't know this this whole thing is that it's supposed to be a Russian sleep test done on like Russian military

I don't know if they're participants we'd have to find in the story but the idea is that if I remember right it's political prisoners I think okay so they're political prisoners but essentially it's in the Russia in the 40s which you know World War II by this time

which also it's all through gas therapy or like some kind of gas treatment which is more of a World War II kind of like early 1900s like 1918 you know World War I kind of vibe but still the 40s it has this like

this kind of atmosphere to it that can you can have some kind of realism just because talk about stupid fucking American all right when I see a picture of just some old-timey gas mask

and the black and white I'm like this is real this happened I can't look they're wearing the masks How could this be fair? They're wearing the mask, all right? And also, you know, as it gets on, it's more and more obvious. Okay, we're like, okay, well, now we're getting a little crazy, sure.

But even the image that got associated with the Russian sleep experiment and like all the iconography that's with it. Because, you know, which I have a little thing. Our source that we're using today is creepypasta.com, all right, which is, I mean, can you get any better? I don't know. I doubt it. They had something interesting here for the origin of the story that I thought was kind of interesting that plays into a bunch of different things, which this is all quoted from creepypasta.com, so don't yell at me. But they say that there is some disagreement as to where the story first originated. Whilst some sources claim that the tale's first appearance can be linked back to a user known only as orange soda,

who posted the story to creepypasta website on August 10th, 2010. Others trace its origin to an August 8th, 2009 post on the RIP 747 WordPress blog, pointing out that the story was also posted to the miscellaneous board of a bodybuilding form by username Falcon Punch on August 20th, 2009, which would again predate orange sodas post on creepy pasta. Which, this was funny when I read this because the amount of heinous shit to come out of bodybuilding, forums in the early 2000s it was unbelievable.

I don't know why it had the internet culture and like all kinds of weird shit had to happen on bodybuilding forms, but anytime I go anytime I do like weird deep dives, like there's this great YouTube channel called Danknut anytime that it's like an interesting figure that started like, I don't know, like a

military cult or like a guy who thinks that, you know, he can bench press 6,000 pounds or something. It always starts on a bodybuilding form somehow. It does. Yeah, it does. So, we don't really know. I mean, like, you know, it goes back and forth of people saying that, you know,

the original Creep pasta was written by a British author named Ice. But we don't really know. So essentially, the story could have been posted. It's basically said that it started from 2009, 2010, which, if I remember correctly, is still a little later than Jeff. Later than Jeff the killer, but still up there. But I think that this grew in popularity when, it went on the Mr. Creepypasta channel

on YouTube in 2011. That would have been where I saw it for the first time. Exactly. Which is where people also speculate that the, like that, where the imagery got tied in, but that, you know, the infamous picture and stuff like that.

The one of the guy like in a straight jacket on the ground, he's got the big teeth in the eyes, which it turns out that's actually like a Halloween prop. Just the image is edited to make it look like it's some old-timey photo. but like I said as a kid that worked even now looking back on it I'm like

that's a creepy photo that's a cool thing to say that like what these people got to by the end of an experiment I think it still holds up even if I do know now it's just a Halloween prop sure

yeah I mean and that's the thing too that I'm finding with more and more of these creepy pastas what I like about a lot of these early creepy pastas is you didn't have to it was like we're getting into like really vague Bigfoot territory

where it's like I don't need a great video I just want a solid photo that I can like I can I can grab hold of and this this is this is who this is my identity and that's what all these creepypossus had they had just one solid photo to carry the short story that they had which is great which you know I love that I love that it's just one solid little thing usually some kind of obscure weird photo that can just like immediately put someone in this situation where they're like oh this is amazing I'm fucking horrid So, you know, it's really great. But without further ado, why don't we start reading, how about we? The Russian sleep experiment. Let's get into this classic. Let's see what it's got in store.

So, we begin with Russian. Oh, my God, we don't begin with that. You can do better. Yikes, I can't. You're a voice actor by God act like it. I know. But I'm a dyslexic voice actor. Why it's improvised, right?

I can't read scripts as they work. I can voice act as long as someone says it to me first. stuck in the nice yeah that's a nice thing that you got you just like a little chameleon you're able to copy um all right Russian researchers in the late 1940s kept five people awake for 15 days

using an experimental gas called or using an experimental gas based stimulant they were kept in a sealed environment to carefully monitor their oxygen intake so the gas didn't kill them since it was toxic and high concentrations this was before close

circuit cameras or well sorry this was before close circuit cameras, so they had only microphones and five-inch thick glass porthole-sized windows into the chamber to monitor them. The chamber was stocked with books, cots to sleep on, but no betting, running water, and a toilet, and enough dried food to last all five for over a month. So already, let me tell you something. You know, yesterday was a nice big holiday. I sat there and I stayed up far too late. So I'm already, you know, I'm feeling the repercussions of being kind of sleepy today the idea of having

to just like keeps like having to stay awake for more especially at this age dude you know unbelievable trying to stay awake for that long this is hell this would be legitimate hell

now I don't know okay yeah so the next the next deal the next line is literally the test subjects were political prisoners deemed enemies of the state during World War II which country do you think they're from. I would guess

German because it's saying that it's like political prisoners or it could also be like Russian you know leaders who like to send it against the state but I mean I would probably say German prisoners right because that's who Russia would have

yeah but what do you think? Well I mean I think you're completely correct it's just it's a bummer it's a bummer isn't it? Because now it's like well now they're a little more less sympathetic right now I don't really give a shit my keyboard now you can just leave it awake see what happens

I will say like hearing you read that first part my hopes did perk up a bit because thinking about that I forgot the detail that the purpose of the experiment was to test a stimulant and that actually kind of tracks with potential like real world history because during World War II it's a known fact now that like German soldiers in like the Blitzkriek and stuff, or in Blitzkrieg formations, were given like methamphetamine

so that they could stay awake for like more than 24 hours at a time before the reinforcements replace them. So the Germans were using all these stimulants to get things done in the battlefield. So now it's like, oh, here's the Russians making a gas-based stimulant and just using human prisoners from the war to test it. Like everything so far is incredibly valid as far as like potential alternate history. Exactly. It tracks. It tracks. It tracks. It tracks with historical stuff that's going on already. I mean, there's no, I mean, think about all the movies so far, too, that have had people from World War II trying to create like super soldiers and all kinds of weird experiments

and stuff that they have did on their own people or whatever back then to where even if it is skewed from the truth a bit, in media, we have been told this since, I mean, God, like the first thing I can think of is Indiana Jones and the Raiders Lost Ark, whatever, the Nazis are always looking for some kind of like superpower or whatever you know what I mean? So it's like it does that it immediately like you're saying

I like the idea that it's playing with the idea that it is messing with your understanding of what is historical and also what is like things in media that you've been told that you might have just believed because you were young right? Yeah. Like if I was young and I saw Indiana Jones I'd probably be like

oh okay so the Nazis are trying to find buried gold that's going to turn them invisible and gods into the gods or whatever. Sure. I mean, I would be like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Whatever. So, I do like that. It toes that line very well. It fits a niche, I think

works. And also, like, even the tech stuff where it says, like, well, CCTV didn't exist at the time, so they have portholes and microphones. And it's like, yeah, that is the technology that they would have. Little, little pieces of. You know what? You know what? I'm feeling a bit better.

After that first paragraph. One paragraph in that we're already in yeah because I'm in I'm back in we were it was over but now we're back we're so back we're so so back we're so so back because like in my head I'm thinking okay

was the Russian sleep experiment were they like trying to conjure it because I haven't read this in so long were they trying to conjure demons or were they trying to make some super you know monster man but no they were trying to test a stimulant and that okay I'm interested all right hold on let me take this next paragraph we'll see

we'll see if this dips off or when it dips off but we'll keep going. I'm good for now. All right. Yeah. I mean, the idea, too, which I was going to make a note

to talk about this later as well, but I also like how they just say stimulant. Yeah. A lot of good storytelling with this kind of stuff. You don't want to keep everything so ambiguous that you lose the faith of the reader by like, because if you keep things too ambiguous too early, a thing happens where a reader is just like, I don't even think the author knows what he's talking about.

Yeah. I have no faith in you. But to just say a stimulant, You know, I mean, you can run. You can have your mind run with that. So I like the idea that's just like, it's just a stimulant. We're not going to go. We don't have to like bog down the fucking story with what exactly it is.

But I digress. It makes sense. It makes sense for everything that's happening. So from there, next paragraph says, everything was fine for the first five days. The subjects, excuse me, the subjects hardly complained having been promised falsely that they would be freed if they submitted to the test and did not sleep for 30 days. Their conversations. activities were monitored, and it was noted that they continued to talk about increasingly traumatic incidents in their past, and the general tone of their conversations took a darker

aspect after the four-day mark. That would have been me three hours into this experiment. I would have immediately been talking about how life is meaningless. I would have immediately gone into nihilism without a catnap. You find me without a catnap, I will be just talking about all the dark things in my life that's definitely but how cruel is this i mean this is this is some next level torture they're saying that it's an experiment but this feels like torture yeah you're gonna stay up for as long as you can what's when's the first time you ever saw someone die in person it's like good god dude just let me get i go i just sit here like my god and that's four days in that's four days in think about how bad again show four days

which uh they said it's a 15 day trial right 30 30 day. 30 day trial. Full month. Yeah. Okay. Four days in and this is already happening. No, thank you.

So then it continues from that. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. I don't want to cut you off. And then it continues to, after five days, they started to complain about the circumstances and events that led them to where they were and started to demonstrate severe paranoia. They stopped talking to each other and began alternately whispering to the microphones and one-way mirrored port holes.

Oddly, they all seemed to think that they could win the trust of the experiment. by turning over their comrades. The other subjects in captivity with them. At the first, at first the researchers suspected this was an effect of the gas itself. Which I don't know about that. I don't know about that either. I probably just want to get out of there. You know what I mean?

I mean, come on. That's fascinating, though, that like they were previously like, oh, it's us versus them, and now they're beginning to dissent after just the five-day mark. I'll continue off of that in the next paragraph that says, after nine days the first of them started screaming he ran the length of the chamber repeatedly yelling at the top of his lungs for three hours straight he continued attempting to scream but was only able to produce occasional squeaks the researchers postulated that he had physically torn his vocal cords the most surprising thing about this behavior is how the other

captives reacted to it or rather didn't react to it they continued whispering to the microphones until the second of the captives started to scream. The two non- screaming captives took the books apart, smeared page after page with their own feces, and paced them calmly over the glass portholes. The screaming promptly stopped, so did the whispering to the microphones. Okay, you know what?

We are so-so-back. I forgot about that detail. That's dope. I love that. That's so cool. Okay, so, like, they're beginning to lose their mind, and a couple of them are snapping. And those that haven't snapped, it's like, sure, they're using crude implements, you know, books and feces to cover up the portholes, but there is a, there's a deliberation to what they're doing. There's some greater plan. And it makes it seem like they're all in on it in some like a ferial sense. Because as soon as the researchers can't see what's going on in there anymore, uh, the screaming stops, the whispering stops. And it's, ah, it's so, it's like what's got a hold of these people. It's so good. I like it. I like it. Well, I think there's also, the,

This from another angle, too, the juxtaposition of a man, like, the, the uncomfortable and, like, haunting nature of a guy screaming until his vocal cords get completely snapped and fried and he's still doing it, it's painful. But then you also have the other people who are sitting there whispering. So it's like you have this juxtaposition between people who are, this guy who is screaming, and then people who are whispering. And, like you said, sure, they're some, it's a little, it's a little, like, over heightened. with them tearing the pages off and rubbing their asses with it and putting it up but I think that it does a good job by it has a purpose of them

then putting it up on the window and then now all is quiet like it's just a very very simple setup very simple scene but honestly it's very nice they all share a consciousness now which what it kind of gets touched on later in the story I remember but it's like

they all are in a unison about what they're doing so they're taking deliberate moves to enact whatever this plant is being quiet covering up the windows etc it's well it's also very animalistic like yeah the idea that like it's almost as if they're trying to

bait a response like it feels like a dying animal like screaming and all this kind of things and then once they like kind of complete their ritual or they're like you know them sealing up so that people can't look in then they are being more truthful or by truthful

I guess I mean they go quiet like they're they're achieving something. So it's just like it seems like it's mass hysteria. It seems like these people are going insane, but there's still a level of calculated chaos that's happening. That's very intriguing. Yeah.

But to continue on. After three more days passed, the researchers checked the microphones hourly to make sure they were working. Since they thought impossible that no sound could be coming with five people inside. The oxygen consumption in the chamber indicated that all five must still be alive. in fact it was the amount of oxygen five people would consume at a very heavy level of strenuous exercise on the morning of the 14th day the researchers did something they said they would not do to get a reaction from the captives they used the intercom inside the chamber hoping to provoke any response from the captives they were afraid were either dead or vegetables they announced we are opening the chamber to test the microphones step away from the door and lie flat on the floor or you will be shot. Compliance will earn one of you, your immediate freedom.

To their surprise, they heard a single phrase in a calm voice response, we no longer want to be freed. Which I remember that. That's coming back to me now. Yeah, yeah. That's good. That still works. I remember that being good, and it's still good. I like that.

So, you know, these researchers, they have, because, like, otherwise, the experiments to see what happens on their own without outside intervention after being awake for 30 days. And now, Because the whole time these people are in there whispering to the portholes and talking, they're not getting any response. There's no human input.

So now they're giving human input to try to figure out what's going on inside there, and they respond, we no longer want to be freed. Terrifying. That is terrifying. They've become something else. They've become something that's no longer interested in getting out. They're no longer political prisoners or members of an army or a war. There's something beyond.

Yeah, this still works. It's still cool. It may get lame in a bit, as a moment. fact it probably will but right now I'm in I'm still into it this is great I am too this but we're branching into like even though we no longer want to be freed line

while creepy it like I said it is you're right we're getting into we're getting into monster energy can levels of territory here we no longer want to be free it's creepy and I like the setup but it's cheesy but I like that I don't think it needs to be anything too

crazy and serious so I enjoy that Now, as a just Tell me if I'm wrong here. So are they It's continuous gas being pumped into the room, correct? Like they're never not out of it. They said it's being monitored so that it doesn't become toxic, but yes, there is gas in the room. So it is, okay.

Yeah, I think. Yeah, okay. Okay, so that, I like that, I like that, I like that aspect. I'm glad that that's what's happening. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. yeah okay all right so from there it says after they hear the line we no longer want to be freed debate broke out among the researchers and the military forces funding the research unable to provoke

any more response using the intercom it was finally decided to open the chamber at midnight on the 15th day the chamber was flushed up the stimulant gas and filled with fresh air and immediately voices from the microphones began to object three different voices began begging as if pleading for the life of loved ones to turn the gas back on. The chamber was open and soldiers sent in to retrieve the test subjects. They began to scream louder than ever, and so did the soldiers when they saw what was inside. Four of the five subjects were still alive, although no one could rightly call the state that any of them in, called the state, yeah, it's a typo, sorry.

No one could rightly call the state that any of them were in life. the food rations past day five had not been so much as touched there were chunks of meat from the dead tuss subjects thighs and chest stuffed into the drain in the center of the chamber blocking the drain and allowing four inches of water to accumulate on the floor precisely how much of the water on the floor was actually blood was never determined all four surviving test subjects also had a large portion of muscle and skin torn away from their bodies. The destruction of flesh and exposed bone on their fingertips indicated that the wounds were inflicted by hand, not with teeth as the researchers initially

thought. Closer examination of the position and angles of the wounds indicated that most, if not all of them, were self-inflicted. So already, before we get into the more intense details, these people have plugged up the drains to not allow anything to leave the room, more than likely to keep the gas in as high concentrations in the room as possible, and they're ripping out pieces of their own skin. They've already killed one guy and used his skin to clog up the drains. They've become like these starved animals just tearing apart flesh. Yeah.

I mean, there's, they clog the drain too with muscle and skin and stuff like that as well. Yeah. There's a thin layer of liquid on the floor that you can't tell how much of it's water, how much of it is blood, which also leads you to believe, too, like, how much of it's piss, how much of it is, like, bodily fluids that they've just been, like, putting on the floor. It's getting extremely animalistic. I mean, even some of the descriptions here, it sounds like, I mean, like an ape attack or, like, a chimpanzee attack or something like that.

They're, like, they're de-evolving mentally, and they're, like, now screaming and pleading to not let the nice air in, which, uh, you know, I mean, at this point, it's got to be reminiscent of like some kind of smoking bar or something like that in New York. It's got to be some place where the hipsters go to smoke their European cigarettes. And, you know, whenever someone like lets the door open, they say, close it. That's what comes to your mind when you hear this. When you hear skin and flesh and bodily fluids all over the room, you're like, oh, Europeans, am I right?

No, no, no, not Europeans. I think of five foot four hipsters in Hoboken, New York sitting there. They're open. Or New Jersey, where the fuck? awoken is and they're sitting there and they're just like when you they shut the door you're letting all the good smoke out is what they say because I've been to some of those places let me tell you and it's hell

it's its own little gas chamber let me tell you and it is not a fun place to be there's always one pool table and there's always two people that don't know how to play pool on the pool it doesn't matter you're all I'm saying that's just as bad just as bad it is what we're talking about I hate to say it I really I don't want to be this kind of guy but I do feel like it is just as bad that's just as bad that's just me

All right. People might have their own experiences. But to get a little more description of the, you know, of the gore, the gruesome nature that's happening, I'll continue reading. The abdominal organs below the ribcage of all four test subjects had been removed while the heart, lungs, and diaphragm remained in place. The skin and most of the muscles attached to the ribs had been ripped off, exposing the luns through the rib cage. All the blood vessels and organs remained intact. They had just been taken out and laid on the floor. floor. Fanning out around the eviscerated, great word,

fanning out around the eviscerated but still living bodies of the subjects. The digestive tract of all four could be seen to be working, digesting food. It quickly became apparent that what they were digesting was their own flesh that they had ripped off and eaten over the course

of days. Okay, so, for one, this paragraph's very brutal, very graphic. It technically technically is not 100% out of realm of reality because there are cases like you know with surgeries like they'll take your organs out and lay them on the table

sure right still attached to you still working as they operate on other things so technically it could exist however this is the paragraph that brings the story into more fantastical which should be clear it's fine it's fine like if you want to tell a supernatural story or you know out there story which is where this goes that's cool but for me this is the paragraph where it leaves like alternate

history into like you know the unfiction zombie zombie zombie world basically yeah which again totally fine you can still do cool stories with it but I think this was the paragraph and from here on out that as a kid I went from like is this real to like oh no

it's just it's just in a setting that could be real um which is fine it's cool well for a lot of people too I think what you're describing is like once you leave that realm of reality, it's very hard for people to stay invested as like something that you're like, oh my God, what is

this? You know? Yeah. Something that remains more horrifying, which to be fair, like you're saying, it's still fun, it's still fine, but I do, I do agree. I think that this is a part where we're leaving the reality train and now it's like, now we're just having fun versus actually

being super scared. Which like, for me, I love obviously supernatural stories, weird stuff. It's most of what I read, what I intake, you know, fiction horror, right? So, like, I'm still on board, but I understand this could be a point where a lot of people who were otherwise on board are like, okay, you know, and they dip out. Yeah. We're, I mean, it's, it's entering schlock. I mean, with how grotesque and how descriptive it is, it's getting into the fantastical and it's getting into, I mean, kind of just some like cheese. It's like, it's like

a B horror film now, you know? I mean, the digester tract of all four could be seen working, digesting food and not only is it food but it's like their own skin it's awesome that's like that's brutal and fun in all the right ways but it is you know it's a step of like it's it's a step between a man in a business suit and uh like a chocolate factory owner yeah is what i'm saying like you have a guy in a purple suit and you're like oh does he work you know that chase bank and then now he has a top hat and now he owns a chocolate factory that's that's the step that we just took. I see what's happening. It's a different world we're dealing in. Yeah, yeah.

Yes, yes. But that being said, very cool. The idea that they, like, laid out their organs and were eating themselves, that's awesome. That's dope. It's the best part of every zombie film, you know? I mean, like, it feels like something that would be in, like, 28 days later or something. Yeah, yeah. These are the parts of the

zombie films where, exactly, it's the fun body horror aspect of a zombie film that you're waiting for, so I, you know, I enjoy it, but once again, we didn't get prepped for that thing, so we were stepping into kind of yeah yeah you just got to know what you're getting into but it's still fun sure and with that it keeps getting fun because i'm going to continue reading it says

most of the soldiers were russian special operatives at that facility but still many refused to return to the chamber to remove the test subjects they continued to scream to be left in the chamber and alternatively begged and demanded that the gas be turned back on lest they fall asleep to everyone's surprise the test subjects put up a fierce fight in the process of being being removed from the chamber. One of the Russian soldiers died from having his throat ripped out. Another was gravely injured by having his testicles ripped off

and an artery in his leg severed by one of the subject's teeth. Another five of the soldiers lost their lives if you count ones that committed in the weeks following the incident. Or sorry, if you follow the ones that committed unalive. Ha ha, ha, YouTube, in the weeks following the incident. Get fucked. You know, the,

one thing that I will like about, that I like about this compared to something like Jeff the killer is that it really holds no bar, but also it does, it like makes you think about the actual anatomy of it. Like,

if you look at something like Jeff the killer, which is definitely written by, I don't know, like a 10 year old, right, 12, 12, or 15, or whatever. 13, 10's a bit harsh. I'm being rude. I'm being rude.

You are, but what I mean is that, It's juvenile, where it's just like, he cut him, whatever, and that's supposed to be the big thing. Like, he bled tons, you know? Yeah. Instead of here, it's, you know, having his testicle ripped off and an artery and his leg severed by one of the subject's teeth. Which, when I hear that, it makes me think of, like, like, the brake line to a bicycle. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, there's thick, like, cords, whatever, getting ripped. It's, it's nice imagery, which, which, you know. You can almost picture, like, the teeth tearing away. like the artery running down, the thigh, pulling out. Absolutely. Oh, it's great. It's great. This feeling that's like, oh, that's awful.

That's body horror. That's what you're supposed to feel. That's the direction. So it's successfully getting across what the story is trying to get across. It's that level of intrigue where you get into, you get into the area where you're like, I don't know why I'm intrigued, but I'm, like, horrifyingly disgusted. That's that, like, yeah, it's that element of body horror that I think.

taps into, you know, that really disgusting part of our brain where you're like, it's almost like watching a live leak video or something. It's horrible, but, you know, what are you going to do? Look away. Very press play on the video, you know? So,

keep going on. In the struggle, one of their four living subjects had his spleen ruptured, he bled out almost immediately. The medical researchers attempted to sedate him, but this proved impossible. He was ejected with more than 10 times the human dose of a morphine

derivative and still fought like a cornered animal breaking the ribs and arm of one doctor when heart when heart was seen to beat for a full two minutes after he had bled out to the point there was more air in his vascular system than blood even after

it stopped he continued to scream and flail for another three minutes struggling to attack anyone in reach and just repeating the word more over and over weaker and weaker until he finally fell silent. Like I said, let me tell you. A little

Monster Energy drink there. That's fine. But I do think that this also is beginning to feel like somebody definitely went to Barnes & Noble and just bought a Grey's Anatomy book is what it's feeling like. We're getting, there's so much... You're being a bit. I think, I'm still into it, and I think you're being a bit mean.

I don't know. I'm saying that I'm just saying, I like it to. Listen, when I say these things, it isn't a direct me being like, this is bad. I'm just saying that like with how medical it's getting so quickly it definitely feels like someone was just like okay well what's this and then they just kind of were going into that and there was no prep time also for this right i think that if which we can i'll get into more of this later

but it just feels like right now we're getting so like we're talking about so many of the specific organs which sure i mean all he did was say spleen but it's like yeah it's so much extremely specific details to specific organs. I don't know. I kind of like the idea that like his heart's still beating and there's no blood and there's air flying through his system. But it's like it's like his body, you know how like when something dies and you electrocute it? The muscles still spasm like they still react. It's like that. It's like some greater force is forcing his body to work even though it can't anymore. And he's like a cadaver being thrown around by some imaginary thing. I think works. Again, in the realm of the fantastical that we've established, I think it's creepy.

I fully believe, I fully believe it works, right? I mean, I'll go into more of what I, I think, of like, the official criticisms that I have for this later on, but I think it definitely works. I'm just saying that in my mind, I can see a person sitting here writing this with a nice glass of red wine, and they bust open one of those, like, like, heavily illustrated Barnes & Noble collectible books, hardback books, of Grey's Anatomy. I think the guy was just, just looking at tons of, you know, source material for old-timey doctors and stuff and all kinds of things that, you know, how do things connect with each other? But I appreciate that. I appreciate the level of detail and, you know. Well, I think you're a hater. I think this is... Okay, all right, man.

All right, man. It's not true. I think, I think this is fraudulent. I think this is cheap shot at quality stories telling. I for one won't stand for me and the Russian sleep experiment truthers don't abide by this

listen I like it is what I'm saying it doesn't matter all I'm going to say is the only the only real criticism here because whatever you can say

about the gray's anatomy book sure but what I guess the big thing here is repeating the word more over and over weaker and weaker until I finally went silent that's right at my alley I like that

I like it's getting kind of It's into the cheesy realm of, like, you know, this is the part in the movie, too, where he says that and his eyes are all, he's all, eyes are all jaundiced up, and he's looking around until they roll them to the back of his head. He's like, more, more, more, whatever. And then all the doctors look at each other, and they're like, gulp, right? They probably don't say the word gulp, but they do gulp. And it's a nice beat. It's a nice beat. I'm going to keep reading.

before you keep slandering digging this hole for yourself. All right, all right. Okay. The surviving three test subjects were heavily restrained and moved to a medical facility. The two with intact vocal cords

continuously begging for the gas, demanding to be kept awake. The most injured of the three was taken to the only surgical operating room that the facility had. In the process of preparing the subject to have his organs placed back within his body, it was found that he was

effectively immune to the sedative they had given him to prepare him for the surgery. He fought furiously against his restraints when the anesthetic gas was brought out to put him under. He managed to tear most of the way through a four-inch wide leather strap on one wrist, even though the weight of a 200-pound soldier was holding that wrist as well. It took only a little more anesthetic than normal to put him under. and the instant his eyelids fluttered and closed his heart stopped in the autopsy of the test subject that died on the operating table it was found that his blood had tripled the normal level of oxygen his muscles that were still attached to his skeleton were badly torn and he had broken nine bones in his struggle to not be subdued most of them were from the force of his own muscles were from the force his own muscles had exerted on them all right then That, I'm so back. That goes so hard.

They had so much oxygen in their system that their bodies were like bulking up, that their muscles were becoming super strong. Just with a wrist, he's able to like punch through the strap and the soldier holding it down. His bones are shattering from the mass of his own muscles, all this oxygenation. And then the moment he goes to sleep, he's dead. I love it. That's cool. Yeah, no, it's definitely levels of anime that's being. My gosh, that's it.

We're going to fight right now. No, it's good. It's fun. I like how over the top it is. It is all. I'll give you that. The idea, too, is like, with some of these things, the only complaint that I have with any of these, which one, even if I, even if I, listen,

even if you were like, this is amazing, I think this is, like, brilliant. And if I'm like, this is, like, great B-level, schlocky, fun, you know, it's a fun hell ride. The only complaint I have so far as I, I wish that we got to, like, maybe we got to experience more of these scenes, like, more. Like, I just wish there was more to it. Because right now, it's, like, it's paraphrasing heavily. That's true. That's true.

It's like, it's telling these, like, huge actions that are happening very quickly, which is great for a short story. I think that, like, the pacing is great. But if anything, I'm just invested, and I wish that, like, we could get more things of, like, learning more about, like, even if we don't know about the prisoners, we know more about the people that are subduing, them to wear whenever you hear something like, you know, uh, let's see, he managed to tear most of the way through a four inch wide leather strap,

even though the weight of a 200 pound soldier was holding the wrist as well. It might not be important who that soldier is, but I, you know, would it make it more emotionally impactful? Would it make it more intense if you knew who that soldier was? If you knew, uh, the name of that guy, what was going on, how he's been acting through this whole thing so far. It's just, I want more of that. I think it's all great. I think it's all great. It's paraphrasing, and I think it's working great. But to me, I'm like, oh, like, that's where my mind goes when I hear all this, is I'm, like, trying to picture the 200-pound soldier, like, who he is. How long has been working there? Just, like, little shit like that to where

we're, we're, like, dead sprinting through these people and, like, their crazy manic episodes. But really, I have no idea who any of the scientists are, or these, like, people that are, you know, being involved in these experiments and stuff. To where I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just wish there was a little more character building there. Is that a huge negative? Not at all. But that's just where my mind is at right now. I'll give you that.

I'll give you that. The story to me, it breaks it at some parts, especially later when there's so many quotes and stuff like that. But for at least the first half, it feels to me like it's almost a field report. Like it's true. Yeah, that's true. Like, subject was held down to chamber,

cut through straps, immediately died. Autopsy revealed his bones were, like it's like it's a like a government report almost of what happened yeah definitely definitely it breaks that later in the story but for the first part that's kind of the thought it brings to mind yeah well that's and see i love that i love stories like that you get a lot of that stuff with like sailors or like uh like a lot of like HP Lovecraft stuff where it's like sailors sailors talking about things that are happening on specific days of their

vessel or whatever yeah i love that i love that stuff it makes it feel much more formal and also how informal it gets also shows like how crazy things have gotten. It's just a really fun narrative device to use. But, you know, we could talk about more of this. I don't want to keep slowing down this story or anything. So the next part reads, the second survivor had been the first of the group of five to start screaming.

His vocal cords destroyed. He was unable to beg or object to surgery. And he only reacted by shaking his head violently in disapproval. when the anesthetic gas brought near him. He shook his head, yes, when someone suggested reluctantly, they tried the surgery without anesthetic. It did not react to the entire six-hour procedure of replacing his abdominal organs and attempting to cover them with what remained of his skin. The surgeon presiding stated repeatedly that it should be medically impossible for the patient to still be alive. one terrified nurse assisting the surgery stated that she had uh holy fuck dude i can't read one terrified nurse assisting the surgery stated that she had uh seen the patient's mouth curl into a smile several times whenever his eyes met hers

this is all stuff that would be great for a movie like i'd love to see i'd love to see a mini series on this you know what i mean little acting moments because while i do i'm gonna keep i'm gonna keep the idea sorry to interrupt you i'm gonna keep the the sentiment that this is entering B-level schlocky territory. It would be with good practical effects, this would be a really, really fun scene to see of just like this guy not talking violently, like just, I also imagine his eyes are wide open and he's just like looking around and stuff. Yes, we do get into some

Jeff the killer vibes when his, you know, his mouth curls into a smile several times. You know, I could go without the Heath Ledger Joker aspect there. But I do some. still think it's really fun and creepy so this story's been adapted i don't think i've seen any of them but this story's been adapted into some short films uh has it yeah there was in 2018 there was a uh a thriller directed by john farley um who made a film called the sleep experiment that was about it uh there is a novel adaptation that was based on it and there is another several other adaptions in the works yeah and there's like a 2015 short film i think based on it yeah it's been

adapted several times i don't know how good they are i haven't seen any of them but a lot of people share the same sentiment that this would translate well visually yeah well it's it's so packed full yeah i mean it's it goes with you know i don't think HP Lovecraft ever went as grotesque or brutal, but just with how descriptive just how descriptive he was. Yeah, HP Lovecraft's the king of being like, the monster was

indescribable. It had four eyes and just describes it for the next. Yeah. Describes it in all of its glory. Like basically, yeah, it takes seven pages to just be like, man, he was tall. It was weird, yeah. It was real strange, yeah. This was crazy. Yeah. But with

how descriptive they're being with I mean, even some of these things, which also, if I had to be a bit of a, what, does it make sense that if there are prisoners of war, that they would be doing surgeries to sew back in their, like, at this point, do you feel

just out of reading this so far, do you think that they would even perform the surgeries or do you think something more realistic would be that they would just shoot them and get new tests and tests and I mean, they probably, so it depends on how much money's invested into this project. And I also think that

they're curious why this happened, right? Like, not to get really dark, right, but to also get really dark. There's cases during, like, the Holocaust of, like, Nazi doctors when they were, like, doing human experimentation on people in concentration camps, that they would, like, keep them alive to undergo the experiment, right? Because they want to know what the effects are, what happens to you in the long run. so yeah because they can get their money's worth and their research out of it they might if i recall right the story actually ends with someone doing what you're suggesting

but if this happened in a lab setting you'd probably want to know why it happened yeah definitely i guess yeah i mean that makes like whenever you say that i think it makes sense i guess when i hear that like there are replacing his abdominal organs and attempting to cover them with the remain skin to me i'm like would they go through that effort for these prisoners? Would they just be like, I'm going to get more prisoners to try the gas again?

Does it say replacing or does it say placing? Because his stuff, the procedure of, well, maybe by, okay, it does say replacing.

Maybe it means just placing them back in his torso. Because remember, they have them torn out and laid around them. So it's just taking the ones he has and putting them back into place. Yeah.

I don't think they do an organ transplant. Yeah, sure, sure. No, I didn't think so either. But I'm even thinking, like, if your gutty works are just hanging out,

I don't think you could just put your guts back in and they're just it's fine I mean I it depends on damage because like in surgery right they'll do that they'll like they'll take your sure that's also yeah surgeons that are doing it not fair right we're we're as we've established we're in the realm of the devil's advocate devil's advocate yeah I'm just yeah I'm just yeah yeah okay just a general thought but yeah okay I'll

continue off of that so it says um when the surgery ended the subject looked at the surgeon and began to wheeze loudly, attempting to talk while struggling. Assuming this must be something of drastic importance, the surgeon had a pin and pad fetched so the patient could write his message. It was simple. Keep cutting. The other two test subjects were given the same surgery, both without anesthetic as well. Although, they had to be injected with a paralytic for the duration of the operation. The surgeon found it impossible to perform the operation while the patients laugh continuously. Once, paralyzed, the subjects could only follow the attending researchers with their eyes.

The paralytic cleared their system in an abnormally short period of time, and they were soon trying to escape their bonds. The moment they could speak, they were again asking for the stimulant gas. The researchers tried asking why they had injured themselves, why they had ripped out their own guts, and why they wanted to be given the gas again. Only one response was given, I must remain awake. Yeah, I'm still in. How about you? No, I think it's sick.

I'm just, I'm thinking out loud. I don't know, here goes. The hater. I'm just thinking, I'm processing. The hater. I'm not hated. First off, I haven't hated any of this. I've been in full support.

I've been in full support this whole time, all right? I'm just saying that I'm very curious to know what the gas is, more specifics on that. I wish I would know. There's such an emphasis on staying awake and one in the gas and the fact that it's vague makes it very interesting

like I'm very I'm really pondering what it is exactly and the obsessive idea of staying awake or like needing this thing that has basically taken over their psyche it's just becoming very

I love the I love in this that they really don't relent on the obsessive nature of it like it's almost I mean it's pretty it's pretty instant instantaneous that the gas grips them like that

yeah right so it makes me wonder what exactly the gas was being used for which these are all things too that obviously when someone writes something like this if they told you immediately what it was it wouldn't have the same kind of weight because you could probably find a justification to why people wouldn't act this way but it is interesting like if there was a really fun way of like what kind of gas what kind of purpose would the gas be used for to keep someone awake which you know the idea of like oh this causes people like even just something stupid where like there's sometimes like there's been stuff in like sci-fi or even like weird horror films where people are trying to experiment with drugs that like or even like limitless you know that movie limitless with bradley cooper the idea of like activating certain parts of your brain that you say they don't use which i don't know how true that is but even the idea of like trying to solve

the idea like i actually think this is an american dad episode there was a pill you could take that you wouldn't have to sleep your body would just naturally get its rest so you never had to sleep. It's just like an interesting concept, especially for a horror film, uh, that I'm like, in my mind, that's where it's going is like this gas is supposed to be a stimulant to where your body is continuously going through like REM sleep cycle and like being rested, but you're like you're consciously awake to where like, I don't know. Like I'm having a lot of fun hypothesizing that in my head and trying to find some kind of fun answer to that. Because to me, it makes all of these lines that are so like

like almost like epically Shakespearean or theatrical of like I must remain awake it gives them a lot more weight I think and doesn't make them feel like by putting myself in the situation of trying to find like an answer to this

it gives these these little one-offs and quotes a lot more a lot more weight which I enjoy yeah I think I'm gonna save my theories about what it is to the end. Sure, yeah.

But I do have a theory for what I think the gas is and like what happens here. I'm curious. I'm curious to hear it. We're near the end too, so we'll get there. Yeah, I was going to say, we're almost there, so we can I'll wait to this talk. I've been writing some stuff down as we've been reading through this, but all three subjects

restraints were reinforced and they were placed back into the chamber awaiting determination as to what should be done with them. The researchers facing the wrath of their military's benefactors for having failed to stated goals of their project considered euthanizing the surviving subjects. The commanding officer, a former KGB agent, instead saw potential, and he wanted to see

what would happen if they were to put back on the gas. The research is strongly objected, but were overruled. Interesting. Oh, yeah, sorry. No, no, no, you're good. That's just a fascinating paragraph because that's kind of what we talked about, like, why would they keep them alive, what would be needed? Like, what would they just kill them, would they start over?

And now it's like the KGB, like, which again, It's like the boogeyman of the story is like, what if we put them back on the gas? What happens then? Which is something... I mean, if you're experimenting with people who are effectively disposable to you, then yeah, you're going to do weird stuff like that

to see what happens, especially since the first results were so strange. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think this introduction of the commanding officer also introduces, which... I kind of wish he was in the story a little earlier. Having such a, like having such a...

commanding officer that is doing who is kind of the advocate for being like oh no fuck it let's we're already here let's keep going it's super interesting and also it kind of it humanizes the other researchers who are just like we fucked up we should not be doing this and then having an opposition to that is really interesting but in preparation for being

sealed in the chamber again the subjects were connected to an EEG monitor and had their restraints padded for long-term confinement. To everyone's surprise, all three stopped struggling at the moment it was let's slip that they were going back on the gas. It was obvious that at this point, all three were putting up a great struggle to stay awake. One of the subjects that could speak was human, was humming loudly and continuously. The mute subject was straining his legs against the leather bonds with all of his might. First left, then right, then left again for something to focus on.

The remaining subject was holding his head off of his pillow and blinking rapidly. Having been the first to be wired for EEG, most of the researchers were monitoring his brainwaves in surprise. They were normal most of the time, but sometimes flatline inexplicably. It looked as if he were repeatedly suffering from brain death before returning to normal. As they focused on paper scrolling out of the brainwave monitor, only one nurse saw his eyes slip shut at the same moment his head hit the pillow. his brainwaves immediately changed to that of deep sleep then flattened for the last time

as his heart simultaneously stopped fascinating I love that yeah that like he he's suffering brain death over and over to stay awake and then for the split second he falls asleep he's out for good dead

especially just yeah we're getting we keep getting introduced to all these new things now that there's like now there's a nurse that's dealing with them and stuff because before when I first started reading this, I just assumed that it was like, okay, they're like in the mountains somewhere, like some weird Russian mountain lab that you see in a movie. And it's just these like scientists who are hooking them up. But no, they have like a full operation team. I mean,

they have the officers there. They have nurses. And now they have scientists and commanding officers. It just keeps adding in these characters that are just little interesting things that, you know, I, I'm curious. Like I wish that there was just more to it. But yeah, we're so close the end that I'm going to keep it. Yeah. I'll do just finish it out. So the only remaining subject that could speak started screaming to be sealed in now. His brainwave showed the same flat lines as one who had just died from falling asleep. The commander gave the order to seal the chamber with both subjects inside, as well as three researchers. One of the name three immediately drew his gun and shot the commander point blank between the eyes, then turned the gun on the mute subject and

blew his brains out as well. He pointed the gun to the remaining subject, still restrained to abet as the remaining members of the medical and research team fled the room. I won't be locked in here with these things. Not with you. He screamed at the man's trap to the table. What are

you? He demanded. I must know. And if you would like to finish us out. The subject smiled. Have you forgotten so easily? The subject asked. We are you. We.

are the madness that looks within you all begging to be free at every moment in your deepest animal mind. We are what you hide from in your beds every night. We are what you sedate into silence and paralysis when you go

into nocturnal haven where we cannot tread. The researcher paused. Then aimed at the subject heart and fired. The EEG flatline as a subject weakly choked out so nearly free.

And that's the end. That's the end of the story. I just want to say, real quick, before we get to the analysis, the little childhood me is squealing and excitement that he got to be the first to hear Meek Canyon do the narration of the final lines of the Russian sleep experiment. That feels like a storybook moment for me, so thank you for that. I appreciate it. Oh, yeah, of course.

It's very, like, I guess where do we want to start? Do we want to start with criticisms? I have a lot I want to say. Let me say real quick what my theory is regarding the gas and what happened here. Yes, actually, please. I'm curious what you said to say about that. So that part at the end where it says that the one subject is experiencing brain death over and over every time he starts to go to sleep. And when he finally does go to sleep, he flatlines.

And then we have the ending, of course, that monologue where the subject says, we are you, we are the madness that lurks in your mind, blah, blah, blah. Which as you said, Monster Energy Can Moment. I get that. but also I excuse it a little bit because what I think is happening in this story I also want to clarify

this could not be the original intent of the author but I have a habit especially when I was a kid of making stories better in my head like for example you remember in the original

Terminator movie how everyone dunked on it because when Arnold's face gets ripped off it's just goes to like a plastic silicone mask so I thought that was the scary

thing ever as a kid because to me what happened there is when half of his face got ripped off the machine was no longer dedicating resources to looking like a human it had given up on the far so the reason his face looked faked is because the machine didn't care to look real anymore so like yeah i always do stuff like that as a kid at least i'm like oh i see the best in the story so what i saw as a kid in russian sleep experiment which again may not be the point is there's these theories in like spiritualism and stuff like that that humanity is kind of the manifestation or at least human souls are the manifestation of something in a plane we can't interact with something in the realm of the spiritual and that at any point we can fall prey to things that exist in the realm of the spiritual albeit you know angels demons uh ghosts whatever your belief system is so my idea with this story especially from that in monologue is that every day people are constantly under prey from these effectively demons, these monsters of the unseen realm.

And when we sleep, our body effectively builds up the immunity to fight them off. But because these subjects are kept awake for so long, they no longer have that immunity and effectively become possessed by whatever these creatures are. So the stimulant wasn't what was causing this stuff to go wrong. The stimulant was just working as a drug that kept them awake. and in staying awake it let their bodies

become the vessel for these spirits to come into so these spirits possess them I think the point that at which it happens is when they started screaming when they start screaming freaking out that's the person in there about to die realizing that they're about to die

that something's going to take over their body and then they're taken over it's like a possession so then now you have to possess spirit in the human's body who says I can only control this vessel for as long as it's awake. So they just start ripping up skin and eating their organs, pulling their organs out. And I like to think even further that the human may still be alive in there, feeling all of the pain and feeling all of this, while the spirit possessing

them doesn't feel anything. And it's just forcing them to experience the suffering. So the person becomes a helpless passenger in their own body while this spirit controls it. So I think the lines at the end of the story are the spirit or the demon or what have you speaking to the researcher as the person's inside as just a victim of this whole thing. That's how I always feared this story. I mean, and I also thought that maybe if they're in there for like 30 days or a longer period of time, they take permanent control or maybe they could possess others, which leads to the last lines that say so nearly free. Yeah, I mean, I love that theory. The theory of that too. It makes the ending monologue

feel a lot more like the exorcism whenever it's like we are legion and stuff and it's talking about. Exactly. But I also at the same time too, the idea of like these people that are like having to endure this pain and stuff, that's even more hellish. I mean like that's even more demented that like that's like what I feel like a

demon would want to do in this situation of possessing somebody. Like it's all about like it's like them reveling in the idea of like torturing you. Yeah. Like they're probably giggling and all that kind of stuff. Which makes it, I mean, there's so many little moments that I think could play into that really well, too, like the whispering and stuff. I wish there was more a little whispering and those kind of things. And, like, the buildup of this, of another entity, you know, vicariously speaking through you, I think can become more and more apparent.

And they can, like, I think the longer that they're trapped inside, or not even, the longer that they're manning this vehicle, of somebody's body, they become more in control of it, they become louder, they're able to speak more coherently, that kind of thing. So I love that idea. I think that's really good. Now, let me ask you this in terms of your theory here too. Do you think that the gas at all could have opened up some kind of receptor for a demon or put them in a space? Or do you think that it's just because the gas, or do you think that just because the gas is keeping them awake and they're not able to like get their basically build your defense with sleep like you're saying that they were more susceptible to being possessed oh it could certainly be that maybe the gas

is causing some kind of almost hallucinogenic effect maybe it's causing them to open up their brain to different spiritual paths or whatever for sure it's just in my theory i think it's just the act of not going to sleep is what allows these things to take over in my theory now course the gas i think that's i think that's more coherent for sure i think that the idea that maybe like I because obviously the idea with like sleep health and stuff like if you don't get really there's like so many horrible repercussions with not getting eight hours of sleep every night like there just is like you will you lose like years off your life if you do it too much you know like you'll go insane you're more susceptible to like all these other mental illnesses and stuff so the idea that being continuously awake and not being able to conscious like not being able to fortify your mental state makes you so much more susceptible for like basically some kind of other entity to be like oh perfect

here's a you know here's a vehicle for me to drive you know it feels that that seems to make total sense to me yeah yeah I think so I think that I think that if you have which first off that's a great great theory man that's really really fun

I just like it makes it makes all of the criticisms I have for this it feels like if it feels like if open up the hate remote go for it no no no Well, first off, let me tell you something. I have to, I need to get this out there because I'm a narcissistic piece of shit. And I have to make sure that people know my opinions. All right?

That's what, hey, we, we're YouTubers, right? What's new? It's true. Which I have some notes here, which it says, it's mostly just about wanting more information. I think that if you said that it was a, if this was dedicated more as a field report, then I think that you could have done something to allude to either that paranormal aspect of like them getting possessed or something. some people might like the some people might get their kicks off um this just being like the human mind you know basically turning to soup and this is like the the the essence of like hate like

the essence of pain and the essence of um fear or the essence of anger that have just like boiled down into a like into these subjects um i do think that the paranormal aspect of it's really fun. I think that if the paranormal aspect, I like being ambiguous because I think if you paint too much of a picture of this demon, it could get into some clown-like territory to where you're like, oh, well, you know, I don't, I want this thing to be, you know, benevolent. I want it to be, like, something that you could picture yourself to be its own version of, like, the version of it that you would be afraid of most, right? Yeah. But I do think that just some of the stuff that I had planned, like, you know, we have that nine days end, the hysteria begins to start. That's when the guy tears his vocal cords. That's whenever, you know, that's whenever the people start whispering, the feces start going there. There's a lot of parts there where when I was reading, or when we were reading through it that I just wish that we got to hear more about, like, what the scientists were saying.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. more character buildup because this is this is the reason why if you have if you have a story like this and if it isn't a field report then it's just a story then you're kind of wanting to hear okay well what's the perspective of what's going on with you know are the scientists like okay well this is weird obviously they know we we get little glimpses that they're like this is not going right but at what at what point are we humanizing the scientists in a way that we're supposed to also perceive as being evil people because we're dealing with prisoners

but can you sympathize with these these uh prison guards in a way to where you you start out by being like i feel so bad for these for these uh prisoners and then by the end of the story you have flipped the lid where you're just like please god put them down you know i think there's something fun with a narrative you can do there but the thing the reason i was going to say that too is that there's just a little there's other moments too that just like little things like you know, not so much that I'm like, oh, this would have been better. But whenever they go in to retrieve

the bodies, I think it's on day 15. It would have been cool if we did get to know who the scientists and these guards and these nurses were early on, you kind of almost get like a Chernobyl situation where it's like, you know that people are getting infected or people are getting you know, like the radiation is going to get

them in some weird way because the precautions aren't there. So whenever they walk in to grab these people, I mean, assume that they're probably in gas masks and stuff right you're probably has mat suited up you know that's what some of the pictures have here but like if these people are struggling and i mean they're breaking their bones almost like bachy characters you'd almost to think that like what if like what if they kind of tore through the mask a little bit what if they fuck something up to where some of that gas got leaked into people who weren't supposed to be in on the experiment and that you know

maybe they started to like force themselves into the room as well how does that trickling effect because it's reading so much like a zombie case that you almost want to see that slow infection takeover to somebody who maybe has been rational this whole time is now also giving in to some of these more depraved feelings that these subjects are as well you can have maybe like an evil dead situation where the person in the basement is you know

yelling and screaming and taunting you the same way that these people that are in the gas chamber could be doing the same to people that are working there some of these people that are like you know I'm just a nurse you know, I, like, I'm not, I'm not suited for this stuff, right? Yeah, yeah. I think that, like, I think just more introduction of the characters could be cool. And also, same with, like, same with, like, a lot of the biological talk and, like, the lexicon of things they're saying with, like, these really in-depth, like, extremely specific, like, extremely specific, like, organs getting ripped out or, like, all of these things.

I just wish that more of that was introduced earlier just to be like this is what it's supposed to do to the brain or like things to where whenever it didn't feel like just such a huge juxtaposition not that it's even bad that they were that specific but I just wish it was a little more thorough throughout like it's like what the scientists are expecting this to do to the brain

like even earlier stuff of like how is their skin reacting to it just little things that build up to those extreme things where it's like yeah now their organs are on the ground digesting food I think that you could have gotten away with that and not have it have been so cartoonish if you just would have introduced more of that like language earlier on yeah yeah I get that and also the biggest thing now looking back at it is I wish that the commanding officer was at play earlier on pushing the bar a bit more He comes in towards the end and he's like this figure that's like

Kind of does a fucked up thing at the end But it seems like it would have been it would have been fun to have that boogie man like you're saying At the beginning who is it we're establishing that like this is obviously a means of torture But would have been cool to just see or to have that figure come up and be like Maybe like you know introducing more gas at certain parts like maybe he was the element that went that went wrong or he was the kind of like basically the devil that opened up this hell for these people I think would have been nice for that story structure and also I think that it just it gives it gives a bit more um I think gives a bit more weight to somebody who's continuously

pressing the gas on something like by gas I mean throttle uh for the story um because for me it's It is an experiment, but at the same time, I never felt once that these scientists were malicious. I don't know if you felt the same, but I never once felt like, yes, they're prisoners, but I guess I didn't ever picture them as being anything more than like researchers,

which maybe that's just me being a fucking idiot, but... I mean, they're doing human experiments on political prisoners, so... True. True. I don't know if they're the most. like sure they catch I guess morality

at the end of the story when it's well also not really because the reason the researcher shoots them and shoots the officers so he doesn't have to be locked in there with them too so it's not a moral decision it's just a self-preservation decision so I don't know

they were after they were like after they were screaming and ripping their vocal cords and smearing their feces on the windows they were cool as it then they were cool as trying people open on the table like that. That's true. Well, to me, I mean, I mean, that's fair. I, I, I, I think that, like, they're obviously doing bad things. There was just, like, a couple moments where, one, how much of it is them, like, I don't know. I'm trying to justify my, I'm trying to, like, justify the

thought I had, which is the idea that's, like, like, how forced are they to do these things? Like, not, I hate to, you know, I hate the idea of, like, the argument of, like, they were just following orders, but how much of this was like, it's mostly just the introduction of the commanding officer at the end to where I'm like, how big of a play is that in there? Which really doesn't matter, but I guess it just by figuring more of that out of

them, if it was more of a field report and they were, and if we could see these scientists saying more of like the lab rat aspect of it. Like, they're not looking at these people as humans. They're looking at them as lab rats, which that's what they're doing in this. But I don't know if we I don't and maybe this is just me and there might be the common sex might be like okay you're a fucking psychopath but I guess it's just the idea that it's like we never get a moment with them

ever doing it like even like talking about them in that subject matter it's more of them just like retelling the horrors that's happening in front of them so to me I was almost reading it and like this weird sympathetic like horrified voice the whole time even though it probably was very analytical and very like you know shitty of like oh they're doing a field report I do think that like you said earlier I do think that if it was in that field report

vein that maybe it would have made them much more cold and stuff and I think that even if that was the case too it kind of makes the the people that are freaking out and stuff they almost become these like crazy people that you want to see

you know see them break through their their cuffs and stuff and break out of their imprisonment and fucking kill these people. I just didn't have a way to sway, right? So either way, it's like, by the end, I feel like I'm like, I feel like as characters, the prisoners are evil, even though I don't know if that's, I don't think that's the correct, like, thing to think.

Does that make sense? I see, I see how, like, your kind of mindset shifted to that, that the prisoners became evil? In my opinion, that's because of the possession aspect, in my head. But it could also be that, you know, if that's not the way the story's interpreted, then it could be, you know, the actual prisoners themselves became evil because of that primality that was unleashed in them because of the lack of sleep. I still like the theory that you're saying with the possession.

I think that by the end, I'm not looking at them any, like, especially after you said the possession thing, I'm looking at them as demons and stuff. Yeah, exactly. But the problem is that because there's no delineation of getting to, you know and I don't think you have to like personally get to know these people but I do think hearing more sympathetic screams and cries at the beginning because you do have them screaming and stuff but understanding what the whispers are seeing that transformation happen I think would make it more I would be more sympathetic to these people instead of just being outright horrified because I think that the story does a great job by being like you almost feel like you're one of the scientists in the room being like good God this is crazy right instead of feeling in an odd way which maybe this is just me being a fucking psychopath less sympathetic and more about me being like these people are terrifying me like like I don't I'm I'm like almost we we the beginning goes by so fast that the human

aspect of the story is quickly shoved aside they kind of immediately go into feral apes um so I felt like I was more just horrified than sympathetic with yeah yeah that makes sense i get that because they become so different from humanity i can follow that um i think the story would do a lot better if you it would just be slight if you slightly reorganized it to be a filled report so you open up like log day one long day two you give it and then at the ending because all that you had mentioned in the initial logs is there was an encounter researcher executed to executed guard as well two awaiting whatever and then at the end you would put like um uh words said or transcript you'd have a transcript of like dialogue and from there you could have conversations between

the nurses and stuff that get across what happens during the surgery and all that and then you could end the entire thing with the dialogue of the patient on the stretcher so nearly free that could be like the final part of the transcript absolutely i think and i do think that would have translated better into a audio. This would actually, if it was in that field report thing, it would be great to hear an audio storytelling of it with like other

actors and stuff because it could be like you have your main character who's your main scientist guy who is writing these things out and then you get to be like, you know, this is a recording from the booth or whatever and you could add more to the story. I think a lot of storytellers could come together

and add to the story with their own performances and have those guiding lights of these of these like kind of one liners that are peppered through the story you could have more people like kind of add to this to this experience but I do I strongly agree

with that though I think that this would have been I think it would have been more effective as a field report that would have been a really fun medium for this that being said though the whole thing is great I mean like this is the first story we've covered so far where I'm like I would love love to see this into like a mini-series or like a really well-done movie or something.

This would be a great movie or mini-series. I'll probably lean more towards a miniseries. Just because I want more, I want more of the subjects. I want more of the character development and growth of these people and stuff. Because I really think that if you have all of that stuff and you can either get behind or hate characters, because that's like such an important part of stories is you hate a character. That's a great emotion to have with storytelling. If you're able to convey that, you've done something very well.

And I think that, like, if you're able to hate these scientists or maybe you're able to sympathize with them or whatever, or you could hate the, you know, you could be sympathetic towards the prisoners and their change is so sad and horrifying and it's almost like, you know, it's terrible. I do think that, like, it would give this so much more weight and I think it would make the ending much, much more impactful. Yeah, I think so. I think there's a lot you could do with it. I think it could be fun to adapt. And you know what? after looking over that whole story, my memory of it was good, but I was kind of worried going back

in, this still goes hard. I still like it. I still like the direction. I like the pacing. Sure, some stuff could be changed, I think, to make it more impactful. But my theory I had then, I think, still stands up now. Yeah. I think this is still a banger. I still like it. This is a good one. Yeah, no, I think your

theory is great. And I think for, honestly, so far, I mean, I know we're only on episode three, but even some of the stuff that we've been introduced and stuff, for a story that that is this short you get so much detail the flow is great this is such a great like quick read

that's why I think also it's so accessible is because you're not getting bogged down in the weeds and stuff with people that want more of the monotonous boring bullshit like I do that's just my preference I love that but I do think that this thing is like it's just like a like just a fucking

hit and run I mean it just blows by boom, and then it's gone. I mean, it's, it's really, really fun. I, you know, when I say things like anime moment, or when I say things like Monster Energy Can, I can see how very easily that can be perceived as negative. But mostly, I think it's just me trying to find a fun way to be like,

this is schlocky. And I like that. I think schlok is very, very fun. I mean, like, that was one of, like, the positives we had from the Jeff the Killer thing, was that, like, because it was so outland. it makes it a fun read. Like, just because something isn't, you know, concrete and not, you know, totally perfect doesn't mean it's not valid. I think that this story is great.

Structurally, well, first of all, it's just leagues better than obviously Jeff the Killer and stuff. But I think, like, this is just, I love that it's embedded in history. I think it's going to be, like, something like a fun, timeless piece. And I think, like, as people, you know, as people kind of stumble upon it, I still think, like, for years and years to come, It's going to have that fun allure to first-time readers of like, is this, how real is this, you know? And there's just that fun little spark that I think these creepypastas have. And that's what makes them so great. It's just like that little, that little itty-bitty spark where you're like, oh, my God, because it's not a big published thing.

It's just something that exists on the internet. And I think that's really, really special. Yeah. So I'm glad. I'm glad we did too. It goes hard. It stands up. in the current catalog of creepcast recollections

we've got stairs in the woods I'm a search and rescue officer and sleep experiment in the Bangor category and then we got Jeff the Killer in the It's got to be in the Hall of Fame of Bad The Hall of Fame of Bad, yeah, yeah I think that it's not

because I think that it's not bad to where it's like I would never read that it's bad as in it's really funny and it's like and it's historic It's the room of, yeah, of creepy pasta stuff. Yeah, no, it's, I think it's worth it. I'm very excited, too, for the next episode, which I know I've seen comments about people saying

they want to know the subjects we're talking about beforehand, so I think the next one we have scheduled. Is Barasca. Yes, and also, if anything changes, we have a Twitter account now at Creepcast. Yes. Is it at Creepcast or is it creepcast? Hold on them.

I should probably know that. this as the Well the thing is that there's Creepcast isn't the most original title so we have had to combat

the DLAC Creepcast actual is the name of the app currently So yeah Go there and if there's any updates or you want to know

what the next story is early go follow that on Twitter and you can get it on that Yeah we need to do also I'd like to make a Reddit or something to where people can submit story suggestions

or even I am the a big advocate for people writing their own stuff and being able to read some viewer stories or something like that. That could be pretty cool. I'm sure just throwing it out there, someone will do it on their own if we don't want to oversee it. But if we do want to oversee it, we could probably make that happen.

I never made the Windagoon subreddit. People just went ahead and made it, you know. Yeah, same. And their own. So maybe like that will happen. But who knows? There could already be one for all I know. But yeah, more fan interaction, more stuff like that sounds cool.

Thank you all so much for. the support you've been showing the show by the way it's really insane oh one thing I want to mention that I forgot I talked about mentioning this with you but I didn't think of it until now so the author of the search and rescue woods

I'm a search for rescue officer I've spoken to her great person, great writer and I meant to shout this out when we did the episode about her work with the stairs in the woods but I forgot to mention it then I wanted to mention that she is currently doing a

lot of caption work and is very proud of the work she did on the Amazing Digital Circus. Is that the name of the series? Yep. Insanely, insanely popular series. Yes. I haven't watched it yet, but I just see the view count and I'm like, oh, my word. So fun internet lore, the author of the Search and Rescue Staring the Woods did the caption

work for that. And she also does a lot of other caption work. You can reach out to her if you're interested in getting her work from that series on any of your stuff. She's very talented. We'll probably have her on in the future whenever we invite writers and authors on to speak. But yeah, I wanted to mention that because I didn't mention it in the previous episode. So just letting you all know about that. Yeah. No, I think that's great. I think that's great. And I'm, uh, you know, I think it's another successful episode. I think so. I think that was pretty cool. Three in and we haven't destroyed the channel from the inside out yet. So doing pretty good. Doing pretty good. I think it, I think it feels good.

This will officially be the last episode of the year. I know that this is only the third episode, but it feels. I think the bi-weekly schedule feels fun. I think we're going to continue that into the new year. But we will see you in the new year. So happy New Year to you all. I hope you all had great holidays. Stay safe out there.

And, you know, get, you know, get drunk. I'm going to get drunk. If you're of age, I would say. And then for me, and then for me, it's the other end of the spectrum. Go to church. So that, so that anywhere. Anywhere on the spectrum between those two? There it is.

There's no room to complain. The whole spectrum was filled. So we have it perfectly down. Preferably, don't do both of those at the same time. But other than that, I would not recommend. I would not recommend. Even though it would be a funny story, and I'd love to hear it sometime. I do not recommend.

We don't condone. But if you're going to do it, please record. All right. Take care, everybody. See everyone. Happy New Year, Merry Christmas. See you all. Take care.

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