Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder - Ep. 76 | The Most Mysterious Stalker Turned Murder Case | Cindy James

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What if the one place you should feel safest became the stage for your worst nightmare? For most of us, that place is our home. Walls and locked doors mean protection. But what happens when those walls start to feel like a trap? The very air in your home turns heavy with fear. This is the story of Cindy James, a woman whose life would challenge everything we think we know about personal safety and security. Today, we step into a story that blurs the line between reality and paranoia.
Starting point is 00:00:29 paranoia, victim and suspect, and protection and danger. And once you hear it, you may never look at your personal security the same way ever again. Crime, conspiracy, gults, serial killers, and murder, all things that I love to consume, and I know you do too, you sick, twisted, beautiful, intellectually minded freak. Yeah, that's right. I did a normal freak today. I didn't get freaky with it, all right? And Rupy's here today, uh, Detective Rupy, he's sleeping on the job. As per usual. And also, I apologize, I am still sick. So if I sound nasally at it, that is why. That is why I kind of sound sexy, don't I know?
Starting point is 00:01:07 A little bit, a little bit, maybe. Maybe not, I don't know. But on a much more serious note, today we are talking about an absolutely horrifying story. One filled with paranoia, mystery, confusion, and tragedy. So without further ado, let's unbuckle our seatbelts, go mock five down the highway, slam on the brakes, and bust through this windshield into this curious case together. Cindy James was born Cynthia Elizabeth Hack on June 12, 1944, in a small town of Oliver, British Columbia,
Starting point is 00:01:51 during the final months of World War II. And she was one of six children in a family of Russian-Canadian heritage, and with three older brothers and two younger sisters. And her father, Auto-Hack, was a disciplinarian to say the least. He was an English teacher and a former Air Force colonel, and her mother, Matilda, or Tilly Hack, was a homemaker. So post-war Canada in the late 1940s and 1950s was a time of rebuilding and traditional family values, and Cindy's upbringing reflected that hei's strictness. And in her private
Starting point is 00:02:25 diaries years later, Cindy would recall that her childhood home was governed by firm rules and corporal punishment, leading her to feel an oppressive atmosphere while growing up. But despite the rigidity at home, those who knew young Cindy remember her as a warm and very sincere girl. And she had a gentle sense of humor and a caring nature that hinted at her future calling to help others. And during her teenage years, the hack family relocated for a time to Ottawa, as Otto's military career took them across the country. British Columbia is better, am I right? I'm holding my hand up a high five, by the way, sorry to Ottawa. Anyway, and Cindy attended high school in Ottawa, adapting to new environments and forming a compassionate outlook. And notable early experiences,
Starting point is 00:03:10 such as growing up with five siblings and moving between communities, helped her shape a resilience and some empathy. So even as a teenager, Cindy showed an interest in helping people, which would soon guide her toward a career in health care. So at age 18, Cindy moved to the city of Vancouver. Shout out to BC. Two, pursue her dream of becoming a nurse. And in 1962, she enrolled in a nursing school program,
Starting point is 00:03:35 embarking on the rigorous training required to join the profession. Shout out to nurses. My sister's one of them. God bless all you. You guys are doing God's work out there. Anyway, Cindy proved to be a dedicated student. She was diligent in her studies and eager to gain practical experience. And she completed her nursing education in just a few years and earned her Bachelor of Science in Nursing by 1966. And that summer, at only 22 years old, Cindy graduated as a registered nurse, ready to devote herself to caring for others. And she immediately started working as a pediatric nurse at the Vancouver General Hospital. So caring for children just came naturally to Cindy.
Starting point is 00:04:15 And her colleagues later noted her competence and professionalism, especially when helping youth facing behavioral or emotional challenges. And over the next several years, she gained valuable experience in her field. And Cindy was passionate about her work and thrived in roles where she could protect and nurture vulnerable children. And it was during this period, Cindy's personal personal. life also saw major developments. Like in the summer of 1965 at just 21 years old, Cindy met Dr. Roy Makepeace, who was an older South African-born psychiatrist. Now, Roy was 18 years her senior. He was in his late 30s while Cindy was in her early 20s. Yet the two formed a connection and
Starting point is 00:04:57 married on December 9th, 1966. And Cindy's family was wary of this relationship from the start. and her parents felt the age gap and Roy's worldliness might spell trouble for naive young Cindy. But Cindy seemed hopeful about her marriage in the beginning, and she continued advancing her nursing career while adjusting to life as Mrs. Cindy make peace. So by the late 1970s, Cindy had established herself as a well-respected professional in Vancouver's healthcare community, and in April of 1975, she accepted a position as a team coordinator at the Blenheim House, which was a Vancouver facility for children with behavioral disorders. And she would work there for 12 years.
Starting point is 00:05:39 And she would become known for her steady leadership and empathy in dealing with these very difficult cases. Because she often worked with children who were wards of the state or had behavioral issues requiring both firmness and kindness. And colleagues later praised her for being calm under pressure and truly committed to her patient's well being. So by all appearances, Cindy was building the stable and caring life she had always. wanted, a meaningful career, a home in the community, and relationship with friends and family who cared about her a lot. And financially and socially, Cindy was relatively secure. She continued to work full-time, balancing her professional responsibilities with her role as a very supportive spouse. And Roy had taken a job as an assistant professor at the University of British Columbia's
Starting point is 00:06:25 Faculty of Medicine after failing to get a Canadian medical license. But that's all right, he's making do. And their combined careers provided a comfortable living. And though they had no children of their own, Cindy poured her nurturing energy into the children at her workplace and stayed close with her siblings and parents. And it was during these years, she formed lasting friendships, including with colleagues like Agnes Woodcock, who would later become one of her most loyal friends. And from the outside, Cindy's life in the 1970s looked successful yet, you know, rather ordinary. She was a dedicated nurse, a wife, a wife, a friend and a very caring soul in her community. But Cindy's personal life, however, was not without
Starting point is 00:07:07 its strains. Her marriage to Roy proved far from perfect, in fact. The significant age difference and differences in temperament led to tensions behind closed doors. And according to Cindy's family and later investigations, the marriage was marred by emotional distance and occasional abuse. So Cindy would later confide that Roy could be controlling and temperamental. And in one incident, she revealed to her family, Roy had thrown a heavy candy dish at her during an argument. What a piece of shit. And she also described disturbing conversations where Roy hypothetically spoke about murdering people with a crossbow. You know, like you do.
Starting point is 00:07:49 And Roy, for his part, denied any extreme violence, though he admitted to slapping Cindy on a couple of occasions in anger. That's really bad, Roy, and not cool. But such accounts, page. painted a picture of a household that was increasingly unhappy and unsafe for Cindy as the years went by. And by the early 1980s, the cracks in Cindy's marriage had widened. And after 16 years together, Cindy and Roy separated in the summer of 1982. And Cindy, at this point, was 38 years old and ready to start a new chapter on her own. And the couple split was not amicable.
Starting point is 00:08:26 There were lingering hard feelings and unresolved issues. But still, Cindy tried. to maintain a polite relationship with her ex-husband. And she even kept in occasional contact with Roy in the months following the separation, perhaps hoping to keep things civil, because she was a very just kind, empathetic person. And at the same time, Cindy leaned on her network of friends and family. And with her career and support network, Cindy was trying to move forward from her broken marriage. Completely unaware that a far worse nightmare was about to begin.
Starting point is 00:08:58 So in late September of 1982, Cindy told her, friends and family that she suspected someone was prowling around her house at night. And soon after, the truly frightening incidents started to begin. And on October 7th, Cindy received the first of many obscene phone calls. Sometimes the caller whispered, threats like, I'll get you one night, Cindy. While other times, the phone would ring and deliver nothing but eerie silence and breathing on the other end.
Starting point is 00:09:26 And obviously, Cindy was extremely alarmed. But she didn't recognize the voice. which seemed to change or disguise itself. And the content of the phone calls were often very erotic and violent in nature. So feeling threatened, Cindy reported these calls to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or the RCMP. The guys with the wicked brim hats that sit on horses for some reason, because it's 2025, but they like living like it's 1883, baby, for some reason. So an officer visited her home and advised her to keep a log of the,
Starting point is 00:10:01 calls and even suggested changing her number. And immediately after the officer left, Cindy received another call which allegedly said, So you think calling the police will keep you safe? You wait. I've got my zipper open. I'm talking to my throbbing. You know what? I'm not going to continue that on, which is fucking horrifying.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Oh my God. Like being in a home alone, just being a woman, I can't even imagine the terror she was feeling at this point. And luckily, she immediately hung up before the speaker could continue. But the harassment was only just the beginning. And within days, the situation escalated. And on October 15th, someone threw a rock through Cindy's back window and even entered her home, although nothing was stolen, which is even creepier to me. And a few days later, she found a pillow on her bed slashed open. So it seemed an unknown intruder was taunting her. breaking in without leaving clear evidence.
Starting point is 00:11:04 And two tenants that rented Cindy's basement reported hearing odd noises on the main floor after Cindy had left for work on October 20th. So Cindy at this point was absolutely terrified. And in response, the RCMP assigned a constable, Pat McBride, to investigate the early incidents. And luckily, he took Cindy's claims seriously. And his protective instincts towards Cindy
Starting point is 00:11:29 soon went beyond his official duty. Oh, oh my. And they would develop a romantic relationship. And seeing how shaken she was, he offered to stay at her home temporarily to keep watch. How convenient for Pat. So on October 31st, 1982, Pat moved into Cindy's house, allegedly for two weeks of surveillance.
Starting point is 00:11:53 And Cindy's estranged husband, Roy, quickly came under suspicion. He's, I mean, most likely, right? Most of the time you can bet your bottom dollar, it's the husband, or it's the wife, it's the spouse. So obviously he was the prime suspect in all of this. So McBride initially believed Roy might be behind the harassment, given the bitter separation. Remember, it didn't end amicably, and he had a history of being a jackass. And Cindy herself sent mixed signals about Roy, telling police she didn't think Roy would do such a thing, but confiding to friends that he had been violent before.
Starting point is 00:12:32 It's almost like she was trying to protect him or given the benefit of the doubt. But one night, not long after McBride had moved in, he caught Roy lurking in his car in the alley behind Cindy's house. And he confronted Roy and claimed he was just trying to catch the intruder in the act. Then hurriedly drove off after Pat informed Roy of their relationship. And in a strange twist, Pat later would even discuss the case with Roy when Cindy would invite him over in an attempt to keep their relationship in a positive place. So both men warily united by a desire to catch whoever was terrorizing her. So it was like a weird
Starting point is 00:13:11 you know, enemies to not quite lovers, but buddies in trying to catch Cindy's stalker. But despite these efforts, the frightening events would continue. And neighbors would report seeing a strange man outside Cindy's home on multiple occasions. And a man, they swore, was not Roy make peace. So at this point, all signs were pointing to an unknown stalker with a cruel agenda. So through late 1982 and into 1983, the harassment against Cindy escalated steadily in both frequency and violence. So before moving out on December 1st, Pat also experienced a strange phone call at the home while Cindy was there as well. And the caller spoke no words, similar to calls that Cindy had reported earlier. And he also discovered that the phone line outside her house had been cut in five different
Starting point is 00:14:04 places in late November. And also disturbing notes began appearing. First, there was a note pinned to the windshield of her car with a picture of a dead body placed under a medical sheet at the end of November. And then during Christmas week, Cindy found a chilling message pinned to her car's windshield. And it was a picture of a woman with her throat slashed with the words, Merry Christmas. And this was a extremely grim warning just as the holidays approached. It's like an actual horror story in real life unfolding. But the implication was clear. Someone wanted to scare Cindy to death. And on January 27th, unfortunately, the situation turned violent. And Cindy's friend and co-worker Agnes Woodcock, dropped by Cindy's home that night and found a scene out of a nightmare,
Starting point is 00:14:54 because Cindy was lying unconscious in her backyard with a nylon stocking knotted tightly around her neck, and Agnes revived her friend who woke up dazed, freezing, and terrified. Cindy told Agnes that she had gone out to the garage to get a box when a man grabbed her from behind, and she claimed the attacker dragged her into the garage where another man was waiting, And together, they strangled her until she was passed out. And before losing consciousness, Cindy said the men threatened to kill her younger sister if she went to the police. And she also alleged that a knife had been used to S-A-her during this attack. So later, she was examined by doctors, but the physical evidence did not match the brutality of her story.
Starting point is 00:15:39 And they found no definitive injuries of S-A on Cindy's body. And some investigators began to quietly question whether Cindy was to tell. telling them the whole truth. Detective David Boyer-Smith remained uncertain, and he felt Cindy might be holding back details out of fear, noting she seemed in fear of herself and her family, and perhaps afraid the attackers would retaliate if she spoke freely. Nonetheless, the police continued their efforts to protect Cindy,
Starting point is 00:16:10 and they urged her to see a psychiatrist to cope with the trauma. But Cindy refused, worried that being labeled crazy would only undermine her credibility. So instead, she agreed to visit a general counselor for support. And as the onslaught of harassment continued, Cindy took drastic steps. And in early 1983, she moved out of her house hoping a new address would throw off her stalker. But it didn't. And she moved to a new place in West Vancouver on February 1st, where she was greeted with a letter less than a week later, threatening her, saying, run, rabbit run. I'll show you how far fucking good I am. Soon, bang, bang, you're dead.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Quoting several songs, which is so fucking weird. Like, run, rabbit, run, rabbit, run. And then the other one is, bang, bang, I shot you dead, bang, bang. Which I believe is from Kill Bill, but all together, absolutely horrifying. Like, I don't even know what I do. And that's, I mean, I go to the police, I guess, but I would just be constantly on the run, but I don't even know how someone could live with this going on. Like, it's horrifying.
Starting point is 00:17:18 So even after relocating a second time in quick succession, the second move happening in April, the threatening calls and letters followed her. And Roy, as part of an attempt to reconcile, along with several other gifts, paid Cindy's airfare to visit her brother, Roger, in Indonesia during the summer. And upon her return home,
Starting point is 00:17:38 she received yet another threatening letter on August 22nd. And this time it read, Welcome back. Death, blood, hate. etc. What? So whoever was tormenting Cindy always seemed to find out where
Starting point is 00:17:53 she lived. So desperate for security, Cindy repainted her car to make it less recognizable. And she also hired a professional private investigator, Ozzy Kaban, to watch her and dig into this mystery. So Kaban equipped Sydney with a
Starting point is 00:18:09 two-way emergency radio, and also noticed that she went above and beyond to protect herself, including such measures as keeping a personal panic button and carrying pepper spray at all times. She was determined to stay alive. But despite her precautions, the stalker was undeterred. In late 1983, horrifying new incidents sent waves of panic through Cindy's life. Numerous calls continued to be placed to both her home residence and at work, where even some of her co-workers reported answering the calls
Starting point is 00:18:40 only to hear no one at the other end. And she discovered the bodies of three strangled cats in her yard. And each cat had been cruelly tied with a rope, echoing the ligatures used on Cindy. The site devastated Cindy. It was a twisted message that even innocent creatures around her weren't safe. And she confided in a private diary that she suspected her ex-husband Roy was behind this particular act. And she noted that gardening was one of her beloved hobbies and something that Roy had resented during their marriage. So she wondered if Roy dumped the dead cats to destroy her garden as a form of revenge. So police did question Roy repeatedly in this period, especially after the upcoming incident in early 1984. But he staunchly denied any involvement and pointed fingers elsewhere.
Starting point is 00:19:30 So as 1984 began, the violence against Cindy appeared to reach terrifying new levels. And on January 30th, private investigator Ozzy Caban heard strange sounds crackling over the two-way radio he had given Cindy. And unable to reach her, Caban raced to see. Cindy's house, and he arrived to find all the doors locked. So he forced his way in, and there, on the living room floor was Cindy's unconscious body. And a pairing knife had been stabbed through her hand, pinning a note to her skin and the carpet. And the note made from cut and paste letters bore a horrifying message, saying, quote,
Starting point is 00:20:10 Now you must die, cunt. Unquote. Just. I can't stop saying horrifying, but it's literally written like a horror author. So obviously, Cindy was rushed to the hospital, and when she awoke, she recounted to Kaban what little she remembered. And she had seen a man coming through her front door gate just before being struck on the head with a blunt object.
Starting point is 00:20:35 And she vaguely recalled being held down and a needle pricking her arm before everything went black. And indeed, doctors found a fresh needle mark on Cindy's arm. But to their surprise, there were no drugs detected in her system. And she allegedly took a polygraph after the incident and showed no deception, though the conducting officer later stated the results were inconclusive. So the constable who reported to Cindy's home that evening also noted that it appeared someone had tried to clean the evidence, as some of the blood on the floor was smeared in a circular motion. So these baffling details just kind of deepened the mystery.
Starting point is 00:21:12 But the summer of 1984 would be seen, as the height of intensity for Cindy's withholdment. So on June 18th, Kaban hurried to her place, after she called him panicked, only to find her dog, Heidi, physically abused and tied up, with what appeared to be the same type of rope used on the cats from before.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And she was in the basement alongside a note that included the words, Happy birthday. And erotic, explicit photos. And Cindy was found shuddering in her garden. Kaban noted that there was a cigarette butt on the windowsill of the basement that didn't match the usual brand that Cindy smoked. And more calls would be placed to the house over the next several weeks, one of which Kaban answered and then a dead cat was found in the stairwell. And another in which the caller said,
Starting point is 00:22:01 You're dead, bitch, it's going to feel good, unquote. And yet another place to one of Cindy's co-workers, which said, Get rid of the big pig. And Cindy told Kaban that there were two men impersonating officers that show, showed up to her doorstep on July 1st, but they left when she radioed him. And Tilly, Cindy's mother, spent the night with her on July 9th. And at some point late during the night, Heidi began barking, awaking Tilly who found Cindy examining the windows and doors on the main floor.
Starting point is 00:22:32 And shortly afterwards, they heard the doorbell ring and a window was cracked in multiple places. So again, just all these terrifying things happening constantly, Cindy could not get a moment of peace. or any sort of peace of mind. There was always somebody that seemed to be watching and terrorizing her. And just two weeks later, Cindy was attacked again in a nearby park while walking her dog on July 23rd. And she described the attackers as a bearded man driving a green van that had a female passenger. And Cindy was found several hours later with a nylon stocking around her neck as she attempted to enter the home of a neighbor in an altered state. A Caban found her dog wandering in the park.
Starting point is 00:23:17 And she would be taken to the hospital again to be treated. Doctors found two puncture wounds in her right arm this time. And there was also a receptionist at the hospital that reported an odd call while Cindy was there. Because the front desk received a call from a man with an accent asking about security. The police later played audio of Roy's voice for the receptionist, who claimed there was a strong possibility they could have been the same person. Following this attack, there continued to be calls placed to Cindy's residents and similar oddities, but no notable incidents, outside of the hypnotherapy breakthrough and psych ward commitments,
Starting point is 00:23:55 but no notable incidents. Until early July of 1985, when a package arrived at her place with more nylon stockings and another note, saying blood flowing freely. And on July 27th, she discovered rotting raw meat in a container near her. her front door. And that's when the alleged stalker would attempt a new strategy. And that was arson. Cindy reported a fire in her home on August 5th to the police. And when they examined the area, they discovered what looked like burnt newspaper thrown about the room. And another fire was reported the day after. And yet another on August 21st. So when authorities arrived at the scene,
Starting point is 00:24:37 a heated discussion was occurring between Cindy and Caban, as she explained that she discovered the house on fire when she returned from walking her dog. And the bathroom window was found partially opened, but no evidence that anyone had been through it. And more burnt newspaper remains were found as well. And it was later said by one of the detectives that they believe Cindy started the fire herself. And Cindy, once again, moved to a new residence in Richmond on December 1st.
Starting point is 00:25:06 But there seemed to be no end to where she would be followed, because just 10 days later, she was found dazed in a ditch, a little over three and a half miles from her home on December 11th. And she had men's work boots and a single glove on. And you guessed it, she had a nylon stocking tied around her neck just like before. And she had hypothermia and was taken to the hospital, where they believed she had been injected with a tranquilizer this time. And she also had various cuts and bruises found on her body. and Cindy appeared to possess no memory of what had occurred.
Starting point is 00:25:42 So as the wave of incidences appeared never-ending, Cindy attempted anonymity in the beginning of 1986. And she would actually change her last name from Makepeace to James, in hopes that that would help hide her identity. And on April 16th, Agnes and Tom Woodcock stayed over, only to be awoken in the middle of the night by Cindy, who allegedly heard something going on downstairs. And when they went to check a fourth,
Starting point is 00:26:09 fire was burning in the basement. The house phone was also dead, which they discovered as they attempted to call the fire department. So Tom ran to the neighbor's house to make the call, and as he returned to Cindy's, he claimed to see a man standing on the street nearby. But the man took off as Tom approached him. So Cindy, being terrified, went to stay with the Woodcock's for a little while afterwards. So it was clear that her mental health was deteriorating greatly. So naturally, Cindy's case had become one of the most puzzling investigations the RCMP had ever encountered. Because the sheer number of incidents, dozens upon dozens of calls, letters, break-ins, and assaults had everyone grasping for a clear pattern or any suspect.
Starting point is 00:26:55 So investigators redoubled their efforts, and police surveillance was stepped up. And at times, up to 14 officers watched Cindy's house around the clock in hopes of catching the perpetrator in the act. But oddly, these stakeouts yielded nothing. No attacks or strange occurrences ever happened while police were actively watching Cindy's home. Yet almost as soon as surveillance stopped, the harassment would start up again. So this eerie timing made some officers begin to suspect that Cindy herself might be orchestrating at least part of the drama. And skeptics wondered, if a stalker knew when the police were present, could it be that Cindy was somehow,
Starting point is 00:27:37 tipping someone off or even faking incidents when nobody was looking. It seems awful to even think about, like, a victim, making themselves a victim, but officers needed to, you know, look at every single angle, every single possibility. Cindy's parents, however, dismissed this as just coincidence, arguing that any real stalker would obviously lie low when the police were nearby, which, you know, I agree. If there is a stalker, they would obviously see the... police are around and not want to intervene in any way, as to not get caught. And Cindy's own behavior during the investigation raised further questions, though.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Because according to both police and private investigator, Kaban, Cindy was frustratingly invasive at times. And she didn't always tell authorities everything she knew or everything she suspected. For example, she initially withheld her growing belief that Roy was behind the harassment, only confiding that to a few people while telling police she wasn't. shore. And Gabon observed that Cindy often seemed unlike a quote unquote normal victim, sometimes acting as if she was hiding something. And Cindy's mother, Tilly later explained that Cindy had been explicitly threatened by her attackers. A knife held to Cindy's throat with the warning that if she talked, her family would be the next targets. So this threat might explain
Starting point is 00:29:01 why Cindy appeared to hold back details when speaking to investigators. But still, the lack of full cooperation made the police increasingly suspicious. And some members of the RCMP openly considered the possibility that Cindy was staging the incidents due to mental health issues or some unknown motive. And meanwhile, genuine leads were scarce. As noted earlier, though police questioned Roy Makepeace many times, they never found concrete evidence linking him to any sort of crime. And Roy vehemently denied harassing Cindy and even wrote a six-page letter to her father, Otto,
Starting point is 00:29:37 insisting that shadowy criminal figures like mafia or drug dealers must be behind Cindy's torment. And he also pushed this narrative to the police as well. Investigators briefly eyed other potential suspects, such as acquaintances or former patients from Cindy's work, but nothing panned out. And to dive even deeper, the RCMP took the extraordinary step of having Cindy undergo multiple hypnosis sessions in late 1984 and early 1985. And under hypnosis, Cindy made a shocking claim. She quote unquote remembered witnessing Roy murder a young couple and dismembered their bodies years earlier at a remote cabin. What?
Starting point is 00:30:21 Roy? What? We knew you were a piece of shit. But if this is true, my lord, lock him up. I mean, lock them up anyway, though. You can't throw fucking ashtrays at people either. But this sensational allegation prompted a full investigation into Roy. But it quickly fell apart.
Starting point is 00:30:38 And Cindy's own sister had been on the supposed trip to the cabin and recalled nothing of the sort, and no evidence of any such murders was ever found. And the consensus was that Cindy's hypnosis-induced memory was either false or a product of her mounting stress and trauma. So Roy is clear for now, all right? But not long after this in July of 1985, Cindy attempted to unsubscribe, if you know what I mean, by drug overdose and was involuntarily committed to the psych unit at Lionsgate Hospital in Vancouver. And she later stated it wasn't a genuine attempt to die, but rather an act of utter desperation for the nightmare to end. So coming out of the hospital, Cindy was at her lowest point.
Starting point is 00:31:21 Because the police were doubting her, and the attacks continued unabated, and she just felt utterly alone. So while staying with the Woodcock's after the fires at her home, Cindy was suffering from severe, severe depression and anorexia. And she had lost weight and often refused to eat. And she would make comments that she felt her life was no longer worth living. So sensing her fragile mental state, Cindy's longtime psychiatrist, Dr. Alan Connolly, had her involuntarily committed for two weeks at the psychiatric ward at St. Paul's Hospital in early 1986 for her own safety.
Starting point is 00:31:56 And she then had a comprehensive psychological examination conducted on her at Riverview Hospital, where she was transferred after her stay at St. Paul's. And the report noted that she was initially extremely resistant, but then began to open up. And she maintained good eye contact and less discussing traumatizing incidents, during which she would hide her eyes, speak slowly, and often break down in tears during these moments. And she would also regularly ask if her responses showed that she was crazy or not.
Starting point is 00:32:26 And as we know, her IQ was very high, well above average. The type of individual that matches her personality could be negative with unpredictable mood swings, because they tend to anticipate negative outcomes and perpetuate them through their behavior. Quote, this type of person tends to be vulnerable to fears, unquote, Dr. Connolly noted, and they would go on to say, she knew she was doubted, and that was what slowly drove her crazy, unquote. So after 10 weeks of intensive treatment, Cindy's condition stabilized enough for her to be released. And it was then that she made a chilling confession to her father. And Cindy said that she knew more about the attacks than she had been saying.
Starting point is 00:33:10 In fact, she claimed to know who was behind them. However, she refused to name the person or persons, cryptically telling her family she would solve the case herself if the police couldn't. So if Cindy truly knew her tormentor's identity, why wouldn't she speak out about it? Was she protecting someone, or was she a person? She just so terrified by the threats that she'd rather face danger alone than put loved ones at risk. So those questions loomed large as the saga crept toward its climax. So as the years dragged on with no arrest or definitive proof of an assailant, theories about
Starting point is 00:33:48 Cindy James's situation diverged sharply. And one theory, favored by Cindy's family and some friends, was that Cindy was indeed the victim of an extremely cunning stalker who managed to terrorize her while evading police capture. possibly her ex-husband Roy or another person with a deep grudge. And supporters of this theory pointed to the genuinely unexplained evidence, such as the witness sightings of a strange man lurking near Cindy's home, and the violent attacks that would be hard to self-inflict, like the knife through her hand,
Starting point is 00:34:21 and the fact that Cindy seemed truly afraid for her life. And notably, Cindy's private investigator, Ozzie Caban, had encountered physical evidence that suggested a real-life injury. intruder. One such piece of evidence was the incident in June 1984 where Gabon found Cindy's normally gentle dog Heidi tied up and the cigarette butt in the house that did not match Cindy's brand, indicating someone else had been there potentially. The Gaban argued Cindy could never harm her own pet and believe this was proof of an outside perpetrator. And he also personally experienced some of the odd phone calls himself. So those convinced of the stalker theory
Starting point is 00:34:59 felt the police simply hadn't caught the person yet, and perhaps due to underestimating Cindy's claims or biases that made them stop looking for a culprit too soon. But on the other side, many in law enforcement came to embrace a very different explanation. And that was that, Cindy was manufacturing the entire ordeal due to psychological issues. The RCMP publicly acknowledged spending over a million dollars and countless hours investigating Cindy's complaints, with little to no concrete evidence to show for it. And not a single independent witness ever saw an attacker, only the aftermath. And fingerprints or DNA from a suspect were never found.
Starting point is 00:35:39 And crucially, none of the over 100 reported incidents occurred during extensive police surveillance. So these facts led the RCMP to suspect that Cindy might be either hoaxing the events or harming herself in some form of attention-seeking or mental distress. And Dr. Anthony Marcus, a psychologist, was brought into this case, and theorized that Cindy could have been suffering from dissociative identity disorder or multiple personalities and can experience amnesia between them, or a similar condition that caused her to harm herself without full awareness. And he famously remarked, quote, this woman was under siege from whatever source, inside or out, unquote, capturing the uncertainty of whether the threat came from. an external stalker or from Cindy's own mind. And other psychiatric experts who evaluated Cindy had varying diagnoses. Some felt she had a hysterical or borderline personality disorder stemming from trauma,
Starting point is 00:36:41 which might lead her to fabricate or exaggerate incidents. And significantly, the police also uncovered instances that cast doubt on Cindy's claims. In one example, being a phone call in which tracing technology showed Cindy's own phone had dialed her number, suggesting a staged, quote-unquote, harassing call. And between these two extremes, a victim of an unknown assailant versus a troubled hoaxer, lay more nuanced theories. Some who studied the case wondered if Cindy might have been both mentally ill and genuinely targeted. Dr. Connolly believed Cindy truly was harassed, but also suffered mental health issues due to prolonged trauma.
Starting point is 00:37:21 So it was possible they thought that an initial campaign of abuse, perhaps by an analysis, by an ex or someone with a grudge, had caused Cindy such psychological damage that she later imagined or even fabricated additional incidents, unable to distinguish reality from her own nightmares. And another theory floated was that Cindy had an accomplice, someone who helped her stage scenes like the hog tying and injections, which could explain how she pulled off the more physically complicated stunts. However, no evidence of any co-conspirator ever surfaced. And Roy, despite intense scrutiny, was never charged. So the lack of clear motive for anyone else,
Starting point is 00:38:01 because Cindy had no known enemies, outside of her marriage, further muddled the entire picture. The investigation was at a stalemate with RCMP largely convinced there was no stalker, while Cindy and her supporters insisted a very real danger lurked in the shadows. So throughout the 1980s, Cindy's bizarre case did not stay private. And instead, it gradually drew, public attention, especially in the Vancouver area. Neighbors in Cindy's Richmond community were aware something was terribly wrong,
Starting point is 00:38:33 because I saw police cars at her house frequently and heard rumors of the frightening incidences. And some neighbors were very sympathetic, worried that a violent stalker might be prowling the neighborhood. But others grew skeptical or fearful, wondering if Sydney was crying wolf or if danger truly stalked their streets. So this divided opinion in the community mirrored the divide within the investigation itself. And by the time of the most dramatic incident, local newspapers had begun reporting on the mystery of Cindy James. And some early coverage highlighted the strangeness of the attacks
Starting point is 00:39:07 and the idea of a possible stalker who couldn't be caught. But as police skepticism became known, tabloids and talk shows latched on to the more sensational angle that Cindy might be delusional or faking it. Classic media. And public reaction to Cindy's story was intense. Many felt deep sympathy for her, viewing Cindy as a woman failed by those who should have protected her, and they heavily criticized the RCMP for dismissing her pleas and noted how, in that era, stalking was not well understood or always taken seriously by authorities. But others, however, pointed to the lack of evidence and the strange contradiction suspecting mental illness or a hoax. In letters to newspaper editors and early online forums and later
Starting point is 00:39:52 discussions on podcasts and even Reddit reveal that even decades later, people remain strongly divided on Cindy James. And the only consensus overall was that the case was both frightening and frustrating, leaving everyone with more questions than answers. So by 1988, the pressure on everyone involved in Cindy's case had reached a breaking point. And Cindy herself was trying to rebuild some normalcy. And she actually got a job as a nurse at Richmond General Hospital in August of 1987. And soon, the harassment resumed with familiar patterns. Smash windows, porch lights unscrewed, and attempts to break in reported to police.
Starting point is 00:40:31 And Cindy was utterly exhausted by years of fear. And she started taking even more precautions. She invited friends to stay over more frequently so she wouldn't be alone. Her friends Agnes and Tom Woodcock often spent the night to help Cindy feel safer. And even renting out part of her house was a safety tactic. And in early 1989, Cindy led a trusted acquaintance, Richard Johnston, a life insurance agent that she purchased a policy from, move into her basement suite. And for the RCMP, the case had become a sore spot.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Because they had devoted an enormous amount of resources, and their official stance was that Cindy likely wasn't in danger from anyone but herself. And internally, some officers felt vindicated in this conclusion, but others were still uneasy. At least one detective, Jerry Anderson, treated Cindy with patience and and continued to investigate leads, earning Cindy's gratitude for taking her seriously. And Cindy even filed a formal complaint against the RCMP for how dismissively some officers treated her, pointing out that only Detective Anderson had shown her consistent respect and diligence. And this complaint indicates the level of strain between Cindy and the police by 1989,
Starting point is 00:41:40 because trust had eroded on both sides. Meanwhile, the unknown events persisted, keeping everyone on edge, but mostly, Cindy. In October of 1988, Roy received frightening anonymous voice messages about Cindy on his answering machine containing phrases like, and quote, more smack, more downers, another grand after we waste the cut. Unquote. And he turned those tapes over to a lawyer, suspecting police might use them to implicate him, but also perhaps to document that something odd was still going on. Shortly after, in late 1988 or early 1989, Cindy was found unconscious and half-naked this time in her own garage, hog-tied yet again with nylon stockings. And the RCMP hired not expert Robert Chisnell
Starting point is 00:42:41 and analyzed the bindings at the time and concluded it was, quote-unquote, highly unlikely Cindy could have tied herself up in that elaborate manner, especially given her physical condition. And this should have been a powerful clue pointing to foul play, Yet skepticism lingered. And on April 8th, a note was found at Richmond General Hospital, her workplace, put together with cut and pasted letters, spelling out, quote unquote, soon, Cindy. Whoa, just, ugh. And other attempted break-ins around this period produced mixed evidence. Because one time, police dogs detected no intruder sent.
Starting point is 00:43:21 And another time, dogs did pick up a trail leading from Cindy's house over a fence suggesting someone had fled. These conflicting outcomes kept the truth just out of reach. And with each new report, tensions mounted. And Cindy's friends and family feared that sooner or later something truly awful would happen if the mystery wasn't solved. And Cindy herself was described as jumpy and just worn down, but also determined to get to the bottom of it one way or another. So in May of 1989, nearly seven years after the nightmare began, it all came to a head. And the stage was set for a final, tragic turn of events. So on May 25th, 1989, Cindy vanished under circumstances that sent chills through those who knew her.
Starting point is 00:44:09 And that day had started normally enough. Cindy went to Richmond General Hospital where she worked to pick up her paycheck around 4 p.m. And a coworker who chatted with her recalled Cindy seemed to be in good spirits, even mentioning that there'd been no harassment incidents for a couple of weeks. A rare bit of relief in a very troubled life. And Cindy then ran errands in the evening. And surveillance cameras and witnesses later confirmed she stopped at a Safeway grocery store
Starting point is 00:44:37 and visited a Bank of Montreal ATM at the Blundell Shopping Center, depositing her paycheck just before 8 p.m. And she had plans that night to have friends over. And those friends were Agnes and Tom Woodcock. They were scheduled to come by Cindy's house to play bridge and stay overnight for her safety. And she also had scheduled the installation of an expensive infrared security system at her home.
Starting point is 00:45:00 But Cindy never showed up for the appointment or to greet her friends. And when the Woodcocks arrived at Cindy's home around 10 p.m. To check on her, they found the house dark and locked, and Cindy's car was still gone. So this immediately struck them as unusual and very worrying. So the Woodcox spoke with Johnson, the man renting her basement, who said Cindy mentioned she was out shopping earlier and should be back soon. But growing alarmed, Agnes and Tom began driving to search for her.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Before long, they discovered Cindy's car, a silver Chevrolet, abandoned in the parking lot of the nearby shopping mall. The same Blondell Center where she had been seen earlier. And inside the car were groceries and a wrapped gift, presumably something that Cindy had bought for a friend's child's upcoming birthday. And on the ground beneath the car, they spotted items from Cindy's wallet scattered about, as if someone had dumped the mess. And even more ominous, blood was found on the driver's side door of the car. So realizing something was terribly wrong, the Woodcocks went straight to the RCMP to report Cindy missing, even though only a few hours had passed since anyone had last seen her. And given Cindy's extensive history with the police, the response was swift.
Starting point is 00:46:16 And officers arrived at the scene and carefully examined the car. In the presence of blood and Cindy's belongings obviously indicated possible foul play. And that night, police also entered Cindy's house to look for clues or signs of a struggle. And inside, everything was eerily normal. The home was neat and nothing disturbed, with all Cindy's beloved houseplants well watered and in order. It was as if she had simply stepped out and just never returned. So authorities launched an intensive search, and the Canadian Coast Guard scoured local rivers and the coastline because Richmond crisscrossed by waterways in case Cindy had been dumped or fallen into the water.
Starting point is 00:46:56 But days went by with no sign of Cindy, though a strange twist emerged when Johnson, her tenant and life insurance agent reported a suspicious phone call to the police. Johnston said that several days after Cindy disappeared, someone phoned his office claiming to be Cindy's father, Otto, and inquiring about Cindy's life insurance policy. And the secretary who took the call found it odd and insisted the father would need to come in person to discuss any policy details. And when asked, the real auto hack denied making any such call. So this suggested that an unknown individual was already thinking about Cindy's life insurance payout. And that's a detail that implied someone was expecting to benefit or cover their tracks. However, this lead never solidly panned out into identifying a suspect. And for two excruciating weeks, Cindy's friends and family waited and hoped for her safe return,
Starting point is 00:47:54 or at least some clue to her fate. In the case of the missing nurse made headlines, and the whole community just braced itself. And unfortunately, the outcome would be the worst anyone feared. Because on the morning of June 8, 1989, a municipal road worker named Gordon Starchuck was doing his rounds in an area of Richmond not far from where Cindy's car had been found. And in the backyard of an old abandoned house on Blundell Road, Starchuck noticed something alarming. And that was a body lying in the brush.
Starting point is 00:48:27 And it was the body of a woman, and it didn't appear to be recent. And he immediately alerted authorities, and police arrived in the scene that unfolded was as grim as it was, perplexing. Because the deceased woman was identified as Cindy James, who had now been missing for about two weeks. And she was found on her side in the overgrown yard, and the condition of her body told a horrifying story. Because Cindy's hands and feet were tied tightly behind her back in a cruel hog tie with a black stocking, similar to all those other times she had been attacked. And it was also wound tightly around her neck. And it looked unmistakably like a murder scene. Yet the location was oddly public.
Starting point is 00:49:15 This abandoned house sat along a busy street with plenty of foot traffic and passerby. So had Cindy's body been here the whole two weeks in an area people frequently walked by. It seemed hard to believe no one noticed earlier. So investigators examining the area found an extra chilly detail. On the exterior fuel tank of the house, someone had spray painted a crude graffiti message in orange paint that read, quote unquote, Some bitch died here. I just... Absolutely horrible.
Starting point is 00:49:53 And a line of the same spray paint ran across the ground, literally circling the spot where Cindy's body lay. And inside the abandoned building, the word, quote unquote, devil, was found spray painted, though it wasn't clear if it was related or left by vandals at another time. But the macabre spray-painted message
Starting point is 00:50:12 and the way Cindy's body was positioned suggested the perpetrator, if there was one, wanted the discovery to feel like a taunt. And forensic experts and pathologist Dr. Sheila Carlyle carefully documented the state of Cindy's remains. Cindy's body had begun decomposing, consistent with being exposed outdoors for days. And forensic entomologist or bug expert, Gail Anderson, later analyzed insect activity and concluded that Cindy likely died around June 2, 1989, meaning her body. had been out there for roughly a week before being found. And the bindings were so tight that one of Cindy's fingers had been cut down to the bone
Starting point is 00:50:55 by her own fingernail in the struggle. And they also found what looked like a needle puncture mark on the inside of her right elbow, evidence that matched Cindy's prior reports of being injected during attacks. But where was the needle? Or any other evidence besides the body for that matter. The autopsy results added another layer of mystery. The coroner determined that Cindy did not die from strangulation or external injuries at the scene. And instead, she had succumbed to a massive overdose of drugs, specifically a combination
Starting point is 00:51:31 of morphine, diazepam, or valium, and fluorazepam, which is a sleep aid. Toxicology tests showed an extraordinary amount of morphine, about 10 times a lethal dose, in her bloodstream. And Cindy's stomach contained traces of the drugs, suggesting she had swallowed pills, another lethal dose aside from the morphine. But experts couldn't determine for sure how the morphine entered her system. It might have been taken orally or injected. It was baffling, as one pharmacologist put it. And what they did conclude is that such a huge overdose would have incapacitated Cindy very quickly, likely, likely knocking her up. unconscious within minutes and killing her within a few hours, especially if administered by
Starting point is 00:52:20 injection. And this raised questions. Because if Cindy was murdered, how did the killer manage to tie her up after dosing her? Or alternatively, if Cindy somehow took the drugs herself, how on earth could she tie herself up in that condition? And the RCMP, upon these findings, leaned towards a controversial conclusion. Because despite the bizarre position of Cindy's bound body, police theorized that Cindy's death might have been an accident, resulting from her own actions. Or in unsubscription, if you know what I mean. And in their view, all the prior incidents had been staged, and this final scene was the culmination of Cindy's troubled plan. And perhaps an unsubscription made to look like a murder. And this perspective was quick.
Starting point is 00:53:12 reportedly reported in some press outlets, casting doubts on Cindy even in death. However, not everyone agreed with the police's take. And Cindy's family was adamant that she would never have done that to herself, especially not in such a horrific fashion. In her father, Otto publicly stated, quote, there is no way that she could have been able after ingesting that amount of drugs to tie herself up, unquote. And he pointed out that no syringe or drinking straw was which could have been used to consume the morphine was found at the scene, implying that a third party had to be involved. In Ozzy Caban, Cindy's private investigator personally went to view Cindy's body at the morgue on June 10th, 1989.
Starting point is 00:53:59 And there, he made a crucial observation because the post-mortem blood pooling on Cindy's skin was on the opposite side of her body than how she was found. In other words, the blood had settled on her life. left side, but she was discovered lying on her right side. So to Gabon, this suggested Cindy died elsewhere and was moved to the abandoned house yard after death. And if true, that directly contradicts the idea of unsubscription in that spot. But despite these troubling discrepancies, the authorities were not convinced it was murder either. And they undertook one final exhaustive step to try to resolve the manner of Cindy's death. And that was a full coroner's inquest. So as the inquest unfolded,
Starting point is 00:54:50 two competing theories about Cindy's death solidified, each with its own set of supporting evidence and passionate advocates. The first one is unsubscription, if you know what I mean. So it posits that Cindy, driven by a combination of mental illness and desire for attention or sympathy, orchestrated the harassment incidents and ultimately unsubscribed. Supporters of this few lean on the lack of concrete evidence of any other person involved. After seven years of intense investigation, not one suspect was identified, no fingerprints or DNA of a perpetrator turned up, and no one ever saw an attacker besides Cindy herself.
Starting point is 00:55:30 And they pointed out that when Cindy was under close surveillance, nothing ever happened. implying she could only act out when she knew she wasn't being watched, because this seemed to be suspicious timing to a lot of people. And at the inquest, it was revealed that Cindy's sister found a glass cutter in Cindy's purse after her death, along with a syringe kit and saline. In the existence of these things in her possession, along with the medications she hoarded, suggest a level of planning. And thanks to not expert Chisnell's demonstration, we know that the hogtie could, to be self-inflicted in about three minutes, which showed that the final scene was at least feasible in Cindy's mental state, and is the central factor for this theory. The stress of believing that no one believed her and her divorce and potentially untreated trauma from childhood
Starting point is 00:56:21 and the attention she got as a victim could have created a cycle she just couldn't escape. An investigators noted that Cindy's stories changed. Sometimes she said one attacker, and sometimes she said there was two or three attackers, her details would shift, which is consistent with a fabricated narrative that evolves. And even Cindy's own words hinted at internal conflict. Because she told the psychiatrist that people doubting her was driving her crazy. And this was an acknowledgement that the disbelief was tormenting her. And the final scene had no apparent signs of a struggle, no defensive wounds. And another angle is that it might not have been an intentional unsubscription. Cindy could have planned to
Starting point is 00:57:04 to drug herself just enough to set the scene and then dramatically be rescued, but accidentally overdosed in the process of staging, resulting in an unplanned death. And perhaps, Cindy intended to make it appear as if her tormentor had finally killed her, hoping her death would be seen as murder, hence tying herself to ensure it looked violent, but miscalculated how powerful the drugs were, which to me is hard to believe since she is a nurse that's part of her education if anybody would be able to you know just not quite die but she would be able to know that information so the idea of it being accidental i i don't think i don't think adds up personally and the biggest thing for me is the blood pooling because bodies that sit somewhere for a
Starting point is 00:57:58 long time the blood pools and if you were to be flipped it doesn't change so somebody would have had to have flipped her? Is it possible that somebody came along, a bypasser that flipped her and then just didn't report it, I guess, but it's just, I don't know, it feels unlikely. And there are more holes in this theory because it's tough to imagine someone enduring horrific self-harm for years, including stabbing herself through the hand, strangling yourself to unconsciousness, lying in a ditch while hypothermic, without any slip-up or confession. And if Sidney did all that herself, that would make her one of the most extraordinary hoaxers in history, and physically and mentally capable of extreme pain and high risk.
Starting point is 00:58:43 And also, why would Cindy continue to stage incidents even after being in a psych ward or after nearly dying? If it was attention she wanted, she already had it many times over. And if it was to frame Roy, the police had thoroughly investigated him, and the motive for self-tortment becomes murky at that point. And in the end, intentionally or not, Cindy became a victim of her own dangerous game in the unsubscription or accidental unsubscription theory. And then, of course, there is the murder theory.
Starting point is 00:59:14 And in this scenario, Cindy James was murdered by a person or persons who had been harassing her all along. And advocates of this theory argue that physical evidence of binding an injection at the death scene is nearly impossible to reconcile with unsubscription. Because how could Cindy hog-tie herself so hard? expertly under heavy sedation, and then hide the needle or any apparatus used to ingest morphine all before losing consciousness. That's a big one too. There was nothing found at the scene, so if it was herself, it just wouldn't be possible, or I don't know how it would be, but it seems impossible. And I point out that Cindy was a relatively small, vulnerable woman, and that many of the prior incidents, including being found beaten and unconscious in a ditch miles from her home in 1985,
Starting point is 01:00:03 would have been extremely difficult to self-inflict. And that ditch incident, for example, left Cindy with bruises, a stalking around her neck, and suffering from hypothermia in the middle of winter. And skeptics of the hoax idea ask, could she really have given herself those bruises, or cut herself and then walked a few miles in the cold night to collapse in a random ditch? Similarly, the attack with the knife through her hand
Starting point is 01:00:31 and the vicious messages seem beyond what most people would do to themselves. And there also seemed to be a consistent MO of the assailant. Because the fact that each attack on Cindy featured similar elements, stockings, injections, threats, suggests a single person or group with a consistent approach. And certain bits of evidence strongly hint at someone else. Examples like the cigarette butt that didn't match Cindy's brand, the strange man Tom saw outside during the fire, the two voice messages left on Roy's answering machine by a raspy voice person,
Starting point is 01:01:04 basically threatening Cindy's life and referencing a financial deal, which was, quote unquote, another grand actor we waste her. That sounds like hitman talk, as if someone was paid to hurt her. And the blood pooling on the wrong side, like I mentioned before, of the body, could suggest post-mortem movement and staging. The proponents of the murder theory often suspect Roy, considering he was her ex-husband, as the likeliest culprit, perhaps working with an accomplice.
Starting point is 01:01:33 And they note that Roy had a motive, a history of controlling and abusing Cindy, possibly a desire for revenge after she left him, and that some evidence like the hospital call with the accent that sounded like Roy's hints at his involvement. And additionally, Roy's odd behavior, like parking behind her house at night writing long letters about the mafia, might have been smoke and mirrors. And those in Cindy's camp believe the police were too quick to judge her and failed to seriously follow up leads that could have proven murder. And they also empathize that by labeling Cindy as not credible early on, the RCMP may have missed their chance to catch her killer.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Effectively, letting a murderer get away with it. And the simple fact that Cindy truly demonstrated that she was in fear for her safety is a seemingly large indicator that she wasn't faking it. And if she was sound enough of mind to plan a complex. Unsubscription, why would she tell her family she identified a perpetrator? Unless that was part of a long con, which seems unlikely to carry through to the grave. And her mother also reported that Cindy said the attackers threatened to kill her family if she talked, which would make sense if a real criminal was controlling her silence. But of course, this theory also has its challenges.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Because who's the murderer? Roy is the key subject, but was accounted for at key times. and there are no other valid suspects. And the final scene was a very public and visited area. So if it occurred elsewhere prior, how did they do so without a single trace? There was alleged history of fake reports, and there were a number of incidents that seemed a bit too much like Cindy had done them herself, including at least one instance of Cindy dialing her own number.
Starting point is 01:03:20 But to this day, debate rages on. And both theories and a combination of them have staunch defenders, and the story of Cindy James continues to perplex and divide all who study it. But the coroner's inquest into Cindy's death was a pivotal moment that laid bare all aspects of the case. Because beginning in April of 1990 and concluding in May 1990, it lasted 40 days and featured testimony from over 80 witnesses, the longest coroner's inquest in provincial history at the time. And its mandate was not to find guilt, but to determine the manner of death and possibly make
Starting point is 01:03:57 recommendations. So each day the courtroom in Burnaby was filled with investigators, medical experts, friends and family of Cindy, and even Cindy's ex-husband Roy. And the testimonies often had the feel of a high-profile trial, revealing new pieces of information and occasionally producing gasps or tears from those in attendance. And Roy's testimony was among the most dramatic. He was on the stand, he went on the offensive, and he accused Cindy's family of mistreating her claiming that Cindy's father, Otto, had physically abused her as a child, and even allegedly one of her brothers molested her. So these explosive claims stunned the courtroom, and Cindy's family vehemently denied them. And Roy also maintained that the police were trying to frame him, asserting his innocence yet again.
Starting point is 01:04:48 And his accusations against the hack family, however, fed into the narrative that Cindy might have had deep-seated trauma, potentially supporting the unsubscription theory if one believed Roy's account of her past. So police and forensic experts laid out the facts of the case. Cindy's body had high levels of morphine, valium, and fluorazepam. And they explained that while a toxicologist confirmed Cindy swallowed a large number of pills, enough fluorazepam alone to be fatal, the exact delivery method of the morphine remained undetermined. And if Cindy injected the morphine, she would have lost conscious. within minutes, making it seemingly impossible to then neatly tie herself up.
Starting point is 01:05:31 And if she swallowed it, she might have had longer, perhaps about 15 minutes or more, to bind herself, but that still required an incredible feat of coordination given the sedatives taking effect. And an RCMP knot expert, Robert Chisnell, testified that he had experimented and managed to recreate the same hogtie knots on himself within about three minutes when sober. But this again is a not-eat-eat-eat-eat-expert. expert. His whole job is tying knots, so no shit, you can tie knot in three minutes, dude. But this demonstration was meant to show that in theory, Cindy could have bound herself before the drugs fully incapacitated her, especially if she took pills that take a little time to absorb. However, it was a theory that jurors found hard to square with the sheer amount of
Starting point is 01:06:17 drugs and the precise tight bindings observed. Remember, it was almost to her bone they were so tight. And further findings highlighted how perplexing Cindy's case was. And Cindy's family had made some startling discoveries after her death. And her parents had found a stash of various medications in Cindy's home, including sedatives and antipsychotic drugs, many of which Cindy had been prescribed during her psychiatric treatment. So not completely out of the norm. But distressingly, instead of preserving these as evidence, her parents admitted they flushed the pills down the toilet, possibly not realizing their importance.
Starting point is 01:06:56 So did they do it out of instinct, not wanting the media to seize on Cindy's prescriptions to paint her as crazy? Regardless of motive, that action destroyed evidence. This meant that investigators couldn't determine if Cindy had accumulated drugs to potentially use on herself. And additionally, Cindy's sister, Melanie, found a glass cutter, syringe kit,
Starting point is 01:07:18 and a urinary catheter and saline solution among Cindy. Cindy's belongings. And a glass cutter could explain how some break-ins occurred without obvious force, a small hole cut in window glass, and a syringe kit implied Cindy had means to inject drugs if she wanted to. And these items were damning in the eyes of those suspecting a hoax. They suggested Cindy might have had the tools to stage incidents. However, proponents of the foul play theory countered that these could also be a red herring or items planted to make her look bad. Testimony at the inquest also revisited Cindy's mental health evaluations and multiple doctors who had seen Cindy over the years spoke and
Starting point is 01:08:02 Dr. Paul Terminson testified that he believed Cindy showed signs of hysterical personality disorder which can involve attention-seeking and dramatic behavior. And another psychiatrist Dr. Wesley Friesen said Cindy's long-term behavior fit borderline personality disorder with PTSD from earlier life trauma. even believed that Cindy harbored a tremendous amount of rage towards her father, and that he suspected, without proof, that she may have been essayed in childhood, a claim Cindy never made herself. But these psychological autopsies were meant to shed light on whether Cindy was capable of extreme actions to unsubscribe herself. The overarching picture was of a woman under severe psychological distress, but whether that distress was caused solely by, by internal demons or by a real stalker, or both,
Starting point is 01:08:57 remained murky. And the RCMP had to admit that despite spending enormous resources, they were no closer to solving the mystery. And they detailed their surveillance operations and the lengths they went in order to trace calls, track Cindy's movements and investigate leads. And some jurors reportedly grew frustrated that so much had happened,
Starting point is 01:09:17 reportedly over 100 incidents, without any definitive breakthrough. And when the inquest, finally ended on May 25th, 1990, exactly one year to the day after Cindy disappeared, the jury's findings was anticlimactic, yet sadly fitting. And they categorized her death as neither murder nor unsubscription, nor an accident, but as an unknown event. And it was the only honest answer given the tangle of contradictions.
Starting point is 01:09:47 And this meant the case would not be pursued further unless new evidence emerged. And the RCMP, in effect, closed the book on Cindy James following the inquest. And no charges were ever laid against anyone. And for Cindy's loved ones, the inquest's result was bitter, and they were left with no sense of closure or any sort of justice. And for investigators, it meant a professional defeat, an acknowledgement that some truths can elude even the most exhaustive inquiry. And for the public, it just cemented Cindy James's story as one of the most enduring unsolved miscelled. A case where the truth lies buried somewhere between two almost unbelievable possibilities. So in the immediate aftermath of the inquest and the official closing of the case, those closest to Cindy James struggled to pick up the pieces.
Starting point is 01:10:36 And Cindy's family remained convinced that someone had literally scared her to death, and they had voiced frustration that the system had failed her. And a memorial service had been held for Cindy on June 14, 1989, just days after her body was found. And it would have been her 45th birthday. And hidden cameras were used by police at the service, discreetly filming the attendees and noting license plates, hoping that if a murderer was in their midst, he might betray himself by showing up. And Roy Makepeace, notably, did not attend Cindy's memorial.
Starting point is 01:11:11 And if police expected the guilty party to reveal themselves at the funeral, they were disappointed because nothing obvious came of that surveillance. And not long after, the abandoned house where Cindy's bu. body had been found was demolished in the summer of 1989. And for some, this was a relief as a grim landmark was erased. But others whispered that perhaps evidence was destroyed with it, though by then the scene had been thoroughly processed. In the Richmond community, which had been on edge during Cindy's saga,
Starting point is 01:11:41 slowly returned to normalcy. But the story left a residue of unease. And neighbors who had known Cindy, or at least known of her, felt sorrow and confusion. and many could not shake the question. Had there been a dangerous predator among us that whole time? Or conversely, had we harbored a troubled soul whom nobody could save from herself? And Cindy's parents, Otto and Tilly, carried their conviction of Cindy's innocence with them. And they would speak to media on occasion, always defending their daughter's character and memory.
Starting point is 01:12:14 And to them, the fact that Cindy endured seven years of terror only to die just as she predicted by a stalker was evidence enough of homicide. And they grieved not only the loss of their daughter, but also the painful possibility that the truth died with her. And Roy quickly faded from public view after the inquest, and the cloud of suspicion lingered around him for some, but legally he was in the clear. And reports indicate he died of natural causes years later,
Starting point is 01:12:42 never having faced any charges related to Cindy's case. And friends like Agnes and Tom Woodcock carried on, but the experience left them shaken. And Agnes, who had been there for her and had tried so hard to protect her friend, expressed guilt that they couldn't do more. In an interviews, she remained adamant that Cindy could not have staged the brutality she witnessed firsthand. And although the police investigation officially ended with the inquest's conclusion, the investigation into Cindy James' story continued in other forms, through journalism, literature, and persistent public curiosity. And in 1991, two notable books were published, each delving deeply into the case. One being The Deaths of Cindy James by Neil Hall, and another being Who Killed
Starting point is 01:13:29 Cindy James by Ian Mulgrew. And these books gathered interviews, evidence, and theories presenting readers with comprehensive accounts. And Hall's work takes a more objective, fact-driven, and journalistic approach, as he covered the case extensively, while Mulgrew's book takes more of the approach of advocacy. aligning with the view that Cindy was the victim of persecution and murder. But over the years, true crime television revisited the case multiple times, even internationally. And in 1989, the American TV program, A Current Affair, ran a profile on Cindy's unexplained disappearance and the prior stalking reports.
Starting point is 01:14:05 But after her death, the story made its way into numerous true crime magazines and news segments. Perhaps the biggest spotlight came when Unsolved Mysteries featured Cindy James' case in February. of 1991. That episode, watched by many, presented the facts and interviews in a suspenseful way, asking viewers to decide, was Cindy James killed by a murderous tormentor, or had she, in effect, scared herself to death?
Starting point is 01:14:33 But the media tended to emphasize the uncanny elements of the story, the cut and paste threat notes and the bizarre voicemails left on Roy's answering machine with someone growling threats about dead meat and wasting her. And these sordid details made for gripping headlines. And each time Cindy's story aired, it sparked a wave of interest and debate. And the internet era gave the case a new life as well. Cindy's case has been a topic of
Starting point is 01:14:59 discussion on countless true crime forums and Reddit threads, where people continue to sift through the known facts, sometimes uncovering old newspaper clippings or minor details that had been overlooked. And one fascinating artifact still is the set of voicemail recordings left on Roy's machine, which were made public and have been analyzed by enthusiasts. Some claim the voice on those tapes, the dead meat messages, sound like it could actually be Cindy using a low-discised tone, and others aren't convinced. And audio specialists have never definitively proven it either way,
Starting point is 01:15:34 leaving that piece of evidence as tauntilizingly ambiguous as everything else. And law enforcement occasionally received requests to look at the case again, especially when new eyes in the cold case units took interest, but without new forensic techniques to apply, like DNA, which was not gathered in any useful form at the time since there was no obvious biological suspect evidence, there was little to be done. And Cindy's files remain in the archives of the RCMP,
Starting point is 01:16:02 marked as closed. And the legacy of the case also lives on in discussions about how stalking and mental health were treated historically, and some investigators privately acknowledge that if Cindy, Cindy's case occurred today, it might be handled differently, with more sophisticated surveillance, psychological support, and perhaps more credence given to the possibility of an ongoing stalking scenario. Conversely, mental health experts reflect on Cindy's story in discussions of conditions
Starting point is 01:16:30 like PTSD or factitious disorder, where someone might fake victimization. Thus, Cindy James' tragedy has inadvertently educated future police, doctors, and victims' advocates on the importance of staying open-minded and compassionate in complex cases. But as of today, the case of Cindy James remains officially unsolved and is considered a closed investigation, unless new evidence should emerge, just as it was left at the inquest. So over 30 years later, Cindy James' case endures as a heartbreaking enigma, a reminder that sometimes the darkest mysteries remain locked away, leaving us to sift through the evidence and our own beliefs,
Starting point is 01:17:12 search of answers that may never fully surface. But I would like to hear what all of you think down in the comments. This is an extremely complex case, an extremely heartbreaking case, no matter what the result, what the real result is. Um, but I would like to know what you guys think down below. Also, if you have any other cases you want me to deep dive into, let me know in the comments. I always read them. And until next time, stay safe and I will see you in the next one. All right? Bye.

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