Crime Fix with Angenette Levy - Dad Kills Twin Baby Girl While Mom is At Work

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Andrew Kammerer was the father of twin, 4-month-old baby girls. In November 2024, he called 911 from his home in Goshen Township, Ohio, and reported that one of twins, Evelyn, wasn't breathing. Evelyn died that night and doctors discovered injuries to her twin sister. The case took a surprising turn when detectives interviewed Andrew's fiancée. Law&Crime's Angenette Levy goes through the tragic case in this episode of Crime Fix — a daily show covering the biggest stories in crime.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW: If you’re ever injured in an accident, you can check out Morgan & Morgan. You can start your claim in just a click without having to leave your couch: https://www.forthepeople.com/CrimeFixHost:Angenette Levy  https://twitter.com/Angenette5CRIME FIX PRODUCTION:Head of Social Media, YouTube - Bobby SzokeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinVideo Editing - Daniel CamachoGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What's going on? What happened? I was feeding her. She was having complications with just like being comforted. A frantic father calls 911 after one of his twin baby girls stops breathing. I don't want to hurt my babies. I love them so much. Would Andrew Cameron hurt his baby girls? And why is his fiance in the hot seat? I'm Ann Jeanette Levy. And this is crime fix. You know, part of the reason that we can bring you such an important. and serious episode of crime fix like this one is because we have really great partners, and one of them is Morgan and Morgan. For more than 35 years, this law firm has been fighting for people like you and me and has recovered more than $30 billion for its clients. With

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But in Ohio, in a suburb of Cincinnati called Goshen Township, a father named Andrew Camer was accused of the unthinkable murdering his four-month-old baby girl, Evelyn. And there's a twist in this case that even I didn't see coming. Stay tuned for more on that much later. Back on November 4, 2024, Andrew Camer called 911. and what he reported was frankly a little strange. Listen to what camera told police when they arrived at his home. Oh, I got to teach you. Okay.

Where is she going, children's? Be north right now. What's going on? What happened? I was feeding her. She was having complications with just like being comforted. So I took her to go change her diaper. She fell off.

And, like, I guess I, like, tried to snatch her or something, so I think she's back the back of her head. But, like, I didn't catch her in time, so I don't know. Okay. Who's here with you? Just me. Just here. Yeah, and I have another baby. Where's mom at?

She's at work up in Dayton. Okay. Take us in and let us see where, how old is the other child? Not yet. Yeah. Just hang on. Okay, let's go. Go ahead.

Is there any dogs or anything? Yes, she's really locked up. compressions right here. She just walked. Okay, just walked through what was going on. I was changing her diaper and like... Where was she sleeping? She wasn't sleeping.

I was changing her diaper. How, when did she wake up? Oh, I had them out there feeding. Okay, so you brought her back in here and then what? Well, I started to change her diaper and then she didn't poop, so I did the whole, like, belly press and then she got mad, so then I was going to get her something else to, like, comfort her and dropped her passie, so I picked it up and she, like, rolled off because she had kept pushing her legs like really tight because they have acid reflux. And so she pushed herself off.

And it was like too late before I could even do anything like I... So you're changing her diaper. She drops her passing. Yeah. Well, she spits it out. Spits it out. And then what do you do? I'm trying to grab it.

So it bounced off the bottom of here and it rolled over that way. I turned around for a second. She pushed over. She pushed over and what? Off of this. Okay. Off of this. And how did she fall?

Yes, she fell. Okay. Then what happened? Well, I tried to find her and grabbed her in time, so she hit the ground. Okay. Then what happened? I picked her up and she wasn't like she was like gasping for air. So then I'm like, and I'm trying to like get her.

And so I set her back on the bat here. And I'm trying to like wipe things up and clean things up. And she's like, I'm starting to. I'm starting to see like this bruising on her belly from where I guess her diaper had been. And like she somehow her lip has got blood coming off of it. It's like, how the hell did that? You don't have teeth. Like, I'm just freaking out.

So then she starts changing colors, right? She starts turning white. So now I'm like freaking the fuck out. Like, what is going on? What did I just do? Is it my fault? What is going on? So, I mean, she was like not real breathing like consistently.

I noticed like she's, I'm looking for like her ribs sucking or anything like that. and she's not doing any of that. It's just like she's not breathing. Baby Evelyn was just four months old, and she had a twin sister. The police officer asked Camer to explain again how four-month-old Evelyn fell from her changing table. Okay.

And when she hit the ground, did she hit on her back, on her face? It was like her back or head. Yeah. Okay. What was she doing before you were prior to changing her diaper? You guys were out there, and you said that they had asked for us.

Was she upset? Was she... She's fussing and she's like... So I'm trying to obviously sue her. I'm trying to get her happy, right? So I picked her up and I brought her in here just to, again, change her diaper and everything like that and just go through the steps, right?

She's just eating. She just... She's trying to get her to take a nap. All those other things that you do to, like, get a baby sooth, right? And she's not having it, so... Okay. Do what? Where did she fall from?

Right here. What you need has you notified your wife? I just said an emergency is all I said. Okay. You need to, is your neighbor going to take, get the other baby ready and go to the hospital? Are she already there at the hospital? She's already gone. They're gone.

They're gone. So. Be north. What time did your wife go to work? She leaves here out at like 3.30. She works at 4.30. Okay. Okay. What time did the babies wake up? I get them up at six.

At six? So we've only been doing this for now. This is her bed. This is her bed? This is her bed? Okay. All righty. Let's go get the other child ready, and then we'll get your neighbor to drive you. Okay. Can I like change my clothes at all or just, I mean, this is okay? I don't even have underwear on. I'm just wearing a pajama. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Now it doesn't get any more serious than this. A four-month-old baby girl left in the care of her father has stopped breathing. Andrew Camer claims baby Evelyn fell off of her diaper changing

table, but did she really? Did that really happen? Could it have happened? We're going to remain here until, and with the house the way it is. We're going to remain here outside. There's no other children inside, correct? There's nothing else. Okay. We're going to remain here. Get to the hospital. We'll secure everything up for you. Okay. Just she's going to drive normal. They're probably already there. Okay? So I understand.

Go ahead. Like, I understand like it's all like crazy and stuff like that, but like I got a messed up head so I can kind of handle this stuff. There's our card. We will secure everything and wait out here. We have other investigators coming. That's the reason. But you need to get to the hospital.

Okay? All right. Thank you. Andrew Kammer is driven to the hospital. He arrives and his family is there, including his fiancé, Danielle. Rudey. Baby Evelyn is not doing well, as Andrew explains to the detectives. Her pulse is really weak, and they're worried about her not being able to pull through right now. Okay.

So it's not good. Not good. And I'm talking to you guys. It's just like, I'm scared, man. I'm just so scared. So this is a normal procedure with these types of situations, you know? I understand that, but I'm still just so scared. So why don't you tell me what happened?

So it was like we got them up and it was probably 30. And so I went in and put her pacifier in her mouth. I was probably about 545-ish. You usually get up a little bit before 6 o'clock. And then I get up at 6 o'clock and, you know, warm up milk and get them seated in there. They have a little boppy thing, which was on the ottoman right in front of the TV in my house. I don't know if you guys got to go over there. I've not been there, no.

So we set them in there, and that way we can, you know, having twins is a little difficult to just do, you know, I can't, like, hold both of the babies and feed them both at the same time. So having things like the boppies and the pillows are able to, like, help me do that. So get them fed, and probably about, like, 620, I've got them, like, they're starting to follow them. They're primies, man. They're just, they're not.

fully developed, right? So she's pushing and arching her back a lot because of that acid. And so she's not settled. So she's asleep at 636. And I'm thinking like, you know, I need to start getting ready. I have to go to work soon. And I got to drop them off at my parents' house on my way to work. So I took her into the nursery. And I'm, you know, trying to get her ready. And, I unzipper jumper and I put it up, you know, wrap it up by her. And I take her diaper off. There's pee in it, no poop. So I kind of rubbed her legs a little bit and then kind of like pushed them gently on her stomach,

see if that helped. And it did. She pooped. And then she started fussing, spit out her passie. And it came off the side of the changing. table and it bounced. So I turned around for a second and I guess in that time she did the whole arching thing because she's literally like launching towards the ground when I turned around. And at that point like I pick her up and I'm soothing her and she stops crying as I'm like soothing

her but then she starts grunting and she's changing colors. And so that's kind of when I noticed like I guess she's not like breathing the right way that she's supposed to be breathing, right? I mean, she's not like screaming. She's honestly, her eyes are kind of like almost fuzzy looking and she's not looking well. So I instantly call 911 and I'm on the phone with the operator. And I just, after that, it's just, I just tried to do everything I could to help her, man. So, I don't know. I mean, that's it.

Like, I couldn't even tell you what happened really after that. I know that everybody's in my house. That was the one thing. She said is the door unlocked. I had the baby so I went and unlocked the door I went back I grabbed my phone and then I'm in there and that's when I was doing chest compression so like right in the in the corner of my sectional she spit up all sorts of milk she's limp as just like pasta just absolutely just limp and colorless and it was it's it's the worst thing ever the absolute worst thing ever No older children? I've never had a... This is the first time I've ever had children.

This is the only, you know, ever, ever, never had a child before. Don't know what they're doing. I'm just trying to make it every single day. Right. Andrew Kammerer explains again how he says Evelyn was positioned when she fell off the diaper changing table. So she's laying long ways in the changing tables? Yes, yeah. But I mean, they're for not...

They're four months tomorrow. Super like mobile and I should have strapped her in is the biggest thing. I should have strapped her in. So is it common for her to roll? She pushes a lot, yes. Pushes or rolls? She's pushing with her feet. So she has acid reflux and they arched their backs and they're trying to I guess relieve or the pain and stuff like the acid and the gas being in the chest. So she's arching her legs. She's very stiff and she'll push like that. And she comes off the end of the changing table or off the front? No, she came off the side, off the front.

Okay. The detectives continue to question Andrew Camer. He sells motorcycles for a living and he was with the babies while Danielle was at work. After a long conversation, he leaves the room so the doctors can update him and Danielle about Evelyn's condition. But then he returns. So did they give you an update? Yes. Okay.

Do you know which doctor it was? Yeah. What was the update? Not that she's basically going to end up being brain dead. That she has went without too much oxygen on her brain, that she's not going to pull through. Okay. You don't know that doctor's name?

No, sir. Okay. I didn't. Honestly, I'm not going to lie to you. I'm so just out. of it. I did not catch her one. Was that her? No.

Oh, maybe? Yeah. Andrew Camer leaves the room and then the doctors appear to speak with him and Danielle about Evelyn's condition. About 12 minutes later, Andrew is back in the room where detectives are waiting for him and they confirm the grave news about baby Evelyn. So doctor gave us an update. I'm assuming it's probably similar to the update that you got. not look good, but they don't know. They couldn't give much information.

So also while you're out, another detective called, do you have a dog in the house? Do you need help with getting the dog to someone's house or anything like that? Your neighbor offered, I guess, to let the dog out or something, and then we were going to lock your house and give the keys to the give the keys to your neighbor just to secure it so that way you guys could kind of have the piece of mind to be here and not have to worry about it. Is that okay with you? Well, the keys are here with us? Okay, so are they good to, uh, is it all friendly? Yeah, she's not, uh, is your neighbor familiar with the dog? Yes. Okay, so are you good with the neighbor taking care of the dog? Sure. And then would you like us to go ahead and just lock the house that way you guys don't have to worry about the house. That's fine.

the house in this period. So before you went out, we were talking after this incident happens, do you feel like you may have shaken her, or... I don't feel like I should.

I really don't. I, like I said, it was thawing, man. It's... I don't want to hurt my babies. I love them so much. I legitimately care more. I said this the second that they were born. I knew them for a day and I'd do anything in the world for them.

I wouldn't even do that to somebody I've known 10 years. Yeah. And like obviously, I mean, if you needed help, help or something like that, like you needed a shirt or something, I'd give you the shirt off my back. But like, I'm not going to loan you $10,000. But for these little girls, there's something about them. And I even told Danielle, it's the weirdest feeling in the world knowing that you do anything for this little thing. Yeah. Do you and Danielle fight?

No. I mean, we argue about like finances and stuff. We don't know. Okay. How often would you say that is? Maybe a couple times a month. Does it ever get physical? Never. Okay. Do you ever punch walls, break stuff, anything like that? I woke up one time with a night tear and I punched the door in my bedroom. I'm sure they saw that. I'm not sure.

Okay. Well, yeah, I punched that. But, no, we don't, I don't have any. How long ago was that? I don't know, man. Like, earlier this year, like the beginning of the year, like January, I couldn't even tell you. It happened so long ago. This whole year has felt like it's been 10 years.

I'm not going to lie to you, this has been the longest year and the roughest year of my entire life. But you didn't punch any walls or break anything this morning? No. Okay. last night? No. Okay. What about Danielle?

No. Does she ever punched walls or break things when you guys get an argument? No. Does she ever get physical with you? No, she's real passive. Okay.

So, if you guys do get into an argument, do you feel like you or her shut down or do you guys amp up? She shuts down. I ask questions. I'm very solution-oriented, and I just, I want to find an answer. I want to find an answer.

I want to know how to think. this? How do I do, how do I get to where this is gone? She's kind of passive. She doesn't like to, she doesn't want to say something to her feelings or she doesn't want to say something and regret it or something like that. So she's a little more passive. She shuts down a little bit. Andrew Camer has told detectives that he's had the worst year of his life and that he and his Fiance Danielle argue about finances, but he denies that he punched a hole in the wall of that home that morning. Then the detectives decide to confront Andrew with their suspicions. So is it possible that something else happened this morning that you're not telling us

that goes along with Evelyn falling out of her changing table? No, man, I told you everything. There's not another thing that I can think of that I haven't told you, I break it down by as much time, by as much... So they did send me a picture of the changing table. Yeah. And it's like concave in the middle. Mm-hmm. Which, you know...

That's what I was telling you. It's kind of like ramp, right? Yeah. It's kind of got like a rounded edge to it, like a half-pipe. Which makes me, you know, outside perspective, not attacking you or anything, but I see that, and I'm like, that'd be weird. How does she get out of it? I know what you're saying, man. And trust me, after what the doctor...

said too. It's got me thinking and all these concerns and all these worries and all these things like that. But they move, she moves so much, right? She moves around tremendously. They both do. And like even setting her in there, like that's the changing table. Kicking all over the place, they both do. They move so much. I don't, I don't know how. Is it possible that you dropped her and this, this statement, Are this situation is just conformed into her falling off this changing table? No, I've never dropped them. I've never done anything that I don't feel comfortable holding them a lot.

I'll be honest. I don't, because they're so small, right? Yeah. I don't love holding the babies. I think it's terrifying. I'm absolutely petrified to hold these little girls. And looking at this picture, It doesn't really look like...

So this is how it's set up, correct? Right. Okay. It doesn't look like it would even be possible to land in this little area, right? Like if you came off the side, you'd think she probably would land out on the carpet. Yeah. So show me, you know, where she was laying out here. Right here.

Like right in here. Okay. So where she, her head was right here and she, like, again, like, I heard her swooshing sound, and then she's laying here on... I don't know, man. I understand. I get it. It doesn't make any sense.

And if you've got to do whatever you've got to do, I get it. No, that's not the way that this works. I'm just trying to get an understanding, you know, exactly what happened. And obviously, you know, there is another side of me that says, hey, we could be sitting across from someone who made a terrible mistake with their kid. And now we have a duty to protect this other child, right? Right? Yeah.

Dude, I'm so scared. I mean, and I'm giving telling Danielle, they're going to send you to jail, but you can sell the house. You make the money, pay off your things, do whatever you're going to do, put it towards a new house. I mean, I don't know. I just, the doctor says that the baby's been shook. You guys are asking me if the baby's been shook. The baby's been shook, I guess. I don't understand.

Well, I refuse to put words in your mouth, but I do think that. that there are some, you know, there are some facts and circumstances here that make me question, you know, whether a child just simply fell out of a, fell out of a changing table. Yeah, I know. It does my thing so. Baby Evelyn's injuries are so grave and so serious that it's apparent the detectives do not believe she was injured by simply rolling off the changing table. They try to get Andrew Kammerer to tell them what actually happened. She's going to die. She's going to die, right? So then I've, essentially, by either some sort of negligence or something I've killed my child.

And I mean, I'm not asking you in this situation, I'm saying, in a situation where it's confirmed that a baby was shaken, what do you think should happen to that person? Is there some sort of, yeah, I mean, it should be penalized, right? How do you think it should be penalized, though? I don't know. I mean, I don't understand how a lot of this, you. bureaucracy and the judicial system works in that regard. But I mean, is it a time frame? Is that, I don't know. I guess you go to jail. Yeah. Yeah. How long do you think that you go to jail for? I have no. I don't know. I mean, is it a life sentence? I don't know. I mean, they're babies. I'm asking what your opinion, what you think should happen if it was, if in a case where it was

confirmed, you know, a shaken baby. Well, if I mean, again, was it somebody who's stressed out? Was it somebody who was considered like violently doing it just because like they don't love their children or something like that? Yes. I mean there's there's I think both those factors are important. Okay so I mean I guess it goes into then goes into the courts and if you can separate the two if one's you know loves their child and didn't mean to do something and one hates their child and wishes that they never had it I mean obviously I think that's that's worth penalizing forever in my opinion you've killed a child, you've killed something that has an opportunity to do something in this world and you'll never know what they can do. You'll never understand what that child could have done in this world

to save the world. And the other side? I don't know, man. It's, uh, accidents do happen. Everybody keeps saying that to me. But, I mean, I had to think a lifetime sentence would be a little ridiculous, but if it was an accident and you gave all your love and you did everything for this child, I don't know, maybe take them a little bit easier and knock them off of it, knock time off, I don't know. Okay. So then how, once you get into prison, once that's, once that's in there and they know that you killed a child, you know, what's somebody inside going to do? So like these other people have been telling you, accidents do happen. Not. Not only do accidents happen, but people make mistakes.

Based on the circumstances here, I think that a mistake was made. Well, absolutely, man. If I had not put her down on that table, if I had not walked away, right, or stepped away. You know, I... If I had not done what, if I had taken just a second, probably taking a breath instead of reacting to the pacifier, my child would be alive. I don't even know what she could have done, man.

I always teased her so much. Just a little baby. What do you mean? I just teased her because she always stuck her tongue out a lot. Just like, I don't know, I just always thought that she wanted to talk and say stuff, and she just didn't have a way of doing it. Always the look in her eyes, I mean, I just teased her for it. I was like, oh, you can be silly with tongue out and stuff like that.

So, based on our conversation, and, you know, you explaining, you know, kind of there's two sides to this. There's an egregious, what I would call, describe as a monster, right? But there is the other side of that that is an overstressed person, overreacting to a situation or reacting to a situation that causes, you know, an injury to a child. She's not injured. What's that? She's not injured.

man, there's no coming back. They straight up said she didn't have enough air on her brain. That's, that's, and she's going to die. Whether it's today, whether it's a week from now, we don't know. But there's, there's no chance for her to recover. Even, even in death, I think that there's two sides to this situation. There's egregious and there's someone who's overstressed. I think that you fall into the overstressed side of that.

Yeah. But I have to know what happened. And again, I'm not a doctor, but based on my conversation with the doctor there, this is not consistent with just a baby falling. Yeah, and hitting their head. Yeah. I understand. So what else could have happened?

I don't know, man. I told you everything. I've literally... She doesn't love this position. The position that she likes being held in is with her legs facing out so that her head is against my chest. chest and that she feels better in that position, right? I don't know if it's more stimulating. I don't understand. She doesn't like this position, and I know that, but I was trying to assess what had happened, right? And I can't tell because, like I said, the busted lip, the mark on her

chin, like, how? Because, yeah, everyone tells you babies bounce, babies, you know, they just bounce and they get right back up, right? So. Andrew Camero doesn't offer any explanation for how Evelyn could have been injured other than she fell off the diaper changing table. Shortly after this conversation ends, detectives talked to Andrew's fiancé Danielle, the mother of the twins. I'm very sorry for what you're going through. I know that, you know, words mean very little in this situation, but at this time, that's what I can offer you, you know. So I have a form that I fill out, and your fiancé was able to help me answer me. most of it, but I'd like to go over that form with you and answer the questions that he has no ability to. Are you willing to do that? Okay. Prior to that, I'd like to know, you know,

kind of how your morning started. Let's start with last night. So last night from dinner time on, kind of walked me through how you got to where you are now. She was kind of fucking. not like crazy. It was more like she was sleeping, woke up, and wanted attention. She had this habit of... What time was that? 6.30-7 at night. Last night? Yeah. Okay. But she has a habit of going rigid. When she does that, she usually uses modules of herself if she has a foothold. Usually we're holding her when that would happen. but she managed to kind of arch herself on her body a little,

oh, got her resituated, like, okay, well it's about to have the bed anyways. And I get ready, and I get them ready for bed on the floor, so there's no chance of throwing, no chance of me working with Darcy and her going rigid. Uh, I get her changed, changed the butt, I get her, you know, her play a little bit and get her dressed in her sleeper and then we swatting her up and get her more calm down and ready for bed I have a little vibrating chair that's for her and she'll lay in my wife your butt get away a little bit because they usually don't want to get a bed right away get her dressed in her sleeper get her

sat up, swallowed up, and we lay down and I get them to wear at least 15 minutes in, they're in their deep sleep, and I lay them in their cribs. And they were good. From that point until I woke up about 233 o'clock and then I got up, I got dressed, I left for work. They were asleep when you left for work. Didn't wake up at all throughout the night? No, and that's normal for them, actually,

they usually sleep through the night. And then, I obviously don't know anything wrong until he calls me, called me, that... So that was done through a phone call? Yes, okay. Because I was already long gone at work, and I work... Because they made a move, I know worked over, up in the Marine.

Okay. So how long has this been the routine where you get up at two or three in the morning, you leave? He's responsible for... It's been that way since I want to say September 16th when I went back to work. I'm sorry to interrupt. We're going to let family come back for a quick visit. Is it okay? Hi, hi, by our mom.

Yes, ma'am. Absolutely. Thank you. The conversation with Danielle continues after she's updated by the doctors. How do you think Andrew's been doing with it? I know he questions himself a lot. Yeah. But he's going good.

Okay. Okay. Nothing about this conversation is accusatory. And I think he may be construing it that way, just because of the stress of, you know, being with detectives. It's stress and then just overall any time we're getting up to keep. Yeah. I know he's been struggling when it comes to, like, calming him down, but usually he does pretty okay.

But he's never been rough. He's never been... Has he ever said, I can't do this? Take him for a second. Yes. Okay, so he knows when to walk away? Yes, he does. So what do you think his reaction would be as if that's not an option for him to just walk away?

He would lay her down in her crib and walk away. Like, he wouldn't take that chance. And, like, you know, I need a minute. You, I can't help you if you're still crying. He lays them down and he walks away. The detectives are also curious about that hole that they found in the wall at the home. Okay. So you say typically, so sometimes there's outliers in every situation.

Has he ever broken anything or punched holes in the wall or anything like that? He has on the door on our closet door. He's only done that, he's only hit it twice in, I want to say it's been like four years that we have noticed. What caused that? It was stupidly we were in an argument and it just kept, instead of us reaching any sort of agreement, it just kept boiling and boiling. They hit it twice in the same time, or was that two different instances? It was just two separate incidents. Okay.

Do you don't remember what the cause was, though? I don't remember what the fight was. were about exactly. But they were for sure both in a fight? Yeah. Okay. What time? Was it like during the day, at night?

It was at night. Was you, like, you guys in bed, or? We weren't in bed. It was after dinner, but before bed type of time frame there. How close in time were they? How far apart? Far apart in time. Like days, weeks, months?

Year. Like, I think the first was woman first moved into the house together and then the second time was maybe a year ago. Okay. So, I mean, they're very few in far, like, he's not, like, he's not violent in any way should perform. Okay. Do you, would you consider him honest in your relationship? Yes. Are you honest with him in your relationship?

Yes. Okay. So neither one of you keep secrets from each other. There's no... There's no... There's no secrets from each other. Yeah. Pretty much our arguments of manly just overfinances.

Yeah, I'm not... Right. Not finances or not arguments. I'm just saying, do you feel like... Would you be comfortable going to him and talking to him about anything? And do you feel like he would be comfortable talking to you about anything? anything. Yes. Okay. So if he did something to hurt your daughter, do you think he would say something to you? And he hasn't done that, right? Okay. The detectives are skeptical, and they confront Danielle with their

suspicions about Andrew's story. So I wasn't out at your house, but they sent me a picture of the changing table, and it's concave in the middle. That's the bed? Yeah. And so, outside perspective it doesn't make sense that she'd be able to push herself correct I can say with all honesty she's a lot stronger

than what a lot of people give her credit for being yeah but I've seen her push herself from like if she was laying right here and she did her rigid stance and she pushed off from here she'd launch herself at least have way across. It is easy for her to get me. And when I say she'd go, I really do

me she'd go like that. Yeah. So our role in this is to number one, figure out exactly what happened to your daughter. But number two is to protect, you know, your other daughter. Based on, based on kind of what you're saying you feel like your, do you feel like your daughters are safe with him? Yes. Okay. Even now I still feel like they're safe with him because I know accidents can happen. Yeah, and that's kind of how him and I talked.

I explained that accidents do happen, but typically it's just the, it doesn't make sense to me that a three-foot fall on the carpet. It's going to hurt someone that bad, right? Yeah. Does that question come up in your mind? And I'm not trying to put anything in your mind, but... It doesn't, because I know it's hard underneath that carpet. And as soft as the carpet may feel...

Yeah. It's... Is there no padding under it? I think there is a padding under it. I don't know what... kind of padding. And it's just that spot right there where it meets the hardwood there, it's changing tables not all the way up against the wall, but there's enough room that she could have hit that hardwood for there too.

Yeah. And she could have even hit part of the changing table on her way down. Right. So you had an opportunity to see her. any injuries on her? Okay. Other than where I saw right here underneath her chin, or that could have been being loaded up in the ambulance and going, but I didn't see anything.

Okay. Baby Evelyn died later that night, an autopsy later revealed that she had significant internal trauma to her brain, spinal column, and liver, and that those injuries were not consistent with an accidental fall. Two days after Evelyn died, police take Andrew Camer into custody. Andrew, Coach McCartman, you step out. Hi, Andrew. Can't turn around for me? He's on your back. Pals together? Yes, I can get it. I wore it for honest. You got some shoes?

He's getting them. Okay. Okay. Do you have the gray ones there? These? No, the gray ones, just the slip on. What? The slip on. You get your, uh, flashlight. Oh, yeah, I probably don't even have them all done up. Okay. The shorts should be just fine.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to change that anyways. Don't worry about it. No, you got anything on you? Take my hat? No, I have nothing. I have a small stone that was with my daughter.

Here, I'll take that in. You want mom to keep it? Sure, you can take that. And you can? I have nothing else on me. So I said don't worry about it. Don't worry about that. You want to turn around and just kind of step down sideways?

Yes, sir. We're going to walk down the road and then hang a left back to our car, okay? Yes, sir. Andrew was charged with aggravated murder in Evelyn's death and felonious assault for injuries to her twin sister. That baby girl suffered injuries like broken ribs. A judge ordered him held on a $5 million bond. A month after Andrew's arrest, detectives brought Danielle back in for questioning, and her story about Andrew changed.

Prior to learning of your pregnancy, how would you describe your and Andrew's relationship? If I look back in hindsight and through the therapy I've been through now, it was emotionally and mentally abusive. At the time, in the relationship, I would have said it was okay. I would say the amount of time I've been with him, he definitely had me under his thumb. And I didn't see any signs of abuse during the relationship. Can you, sorry, can you explain emotional and mental?

Because obviously it potentially couldn't mean something to anybody, how they perceive that. How would you say that you would describe that? It would be in the way he spoke to me. All right. Again, going over text messages and things of that nature. The things he would say were very manipulative. It was understanding that now went, so. Okay.

Any threats? None towards me. when he did get angry or got into these, where he's emotional and mental abuse towards you, what triggered that? It would usually, we typically start off with either a conversation about money or he was concerned that I wasn't taking care of my health.

Or it would stem initially like say he made a joke and then he'd go too far and I'd say hey and then happen often but he makes a joke telling you go you went too far did he ever like just quit doing that or would he continue to go too far all right was there ever any jealousy accusations of cheating on each other anything like that that was there cause any of this? Again, hindsight, I've been made aware that he thought I was cheating on him.

Okay. Was that what some of the arguments may have been about at some point? He never outright accused me himself. Did he ever, I guess that's probably just answered my question. And then I'm just gonna throw it out there. Did he ever make any accusations of what the babies were his or anything like that? No.

Okay. If he, has he ever made any mention about not being able to control self or control his strength or not known as in strength or anything along that lines? He had mentioned, he had said that over the years. Okay. Before? Before I was pregnant before. Okay.

Do you know what exactly he said? said or, I mean, you can even kind of paraphrase it. But he didn't really know his own strength. Okay. Days after this interview with detectives, a grand jury indicted Danielle on a charge of complicity in the murder of baby Evelyn and child endangering for the injuries to her twin. Andrew would later plead guilty to charges of involuntary manslaughter, felonious assault, and obstruction of justice.

He was sentenced to 19 to 24 and a half years in prison. Danielle later pleaded guilty to two. two child endangering charges, she's serving a five-year sentence. And that's it for this episode of Crime Fix. I'm Ann Janette Levy. Thanks so much for being with me. I'll see you back here next time.