Crime Fix with Angenette Levy - Hospital Worker Nabbed in Predator Sex Sting

Episode Date: December 14, 2025

Benjamin Naylor thought he was getting a visit from a “Secret Santa” on December 3. But the man who showed up at his workplace was the head of “Predator Poachers.” The organization conducts stings with people members meet online. Now Naylor, 31, faces a number of charges in Cincinnati, Ohio related to child sex abuse material. Law&Crime’s Angenette Levy talks with the head of Predator Poachers in this episode of Crime Fix —a daily show covering the biggest stories in crime.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW:Grow your own audience today – go to https://opus.pro/crimefix for 1 week free plus 50% off the first 3 months of Opus Pro. Host:Angenette Levy  https://twitter.com/Angenette5Guest: Alex Rosen https://www.youtube.com/@PredatorPoachersOfficialProducer:Jordan ChaconCRIME FIX PRODUCTION:Head of Social Media, YouTube - Bobby SzokeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinVideo Editing - Daniel CamachoGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of this Law and Crimes series ad-free right now. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. I just want to have a conversation about some stuff that's been going on online. That's Benjamin Naler, being confronted outside of his office about a claim that he was talking to a teenage boy online about sex. But he wasn't talking to a boy and now he's in jail after he's caught in a sting and he admits to possessing images of children involved in sex acts. How many times have you seen that video? I've seen it quite a few times.

I take you through the sting, the arrest, and I talk to the man who set it all up through predator poachers. I'm Ann Jeanette Levy, and this is Crime Fix. Have you ever wondered how we are able to share so many clips from breaking news cases as they are unfolding? Well, here's a little see.

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counts of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor and one count of a legal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material or performance. Naylor was first taken into custody back on December 3rd, but it wasn't until days later that he was booked into the jail on those charges. How much child porn is sitting on your phone right now? Just those couple videos, because like I said, everything else got lost. Okay. So you're going to delete the child porn off your phone? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. And you've shared video as a child porn or phone to get rid of? Yes. Okay. And you've shared videos of babies. He's being raped?

Yes. Okay. And where's your phone now? Okay. And have we touched your phone at all or gone through it? So that was the beginning of the arrest. But let's go back to the very, very beginning. This entire arrest was set up by a group called Predator Poachers.

Alex Rosen runs Predator Poachers out of Texas, but there are other groups in states like Illinois across the country. Alex is going to join me here shortly to talk about this sting and how he and a friend carried it out. On December 3rd, Rosen and his friend from Illinois traveled to Cincinnati, and they figured out a way to find out where Benjamin Naylor worked. Basically, he's on Reddit. He talks about no limit trading on Sessions, which I'm sure you know what no limits means at this point. No, you can take the lead. I'll just interject. Sessions is an end-to-end encrypted messaging app. The ruse that Alex and his friend came up with involved Alex posing as a secret Santa as.

at Benjamin Naylor's workplace, The Christ Hospital. Here's his hidden camera. Yes, and I am Santa. Karen, I'm the Secret Santa. Oh. Is there a way Benjamin would come to the front and see you go to see your Secret Santa package for him? Benjamin. Hammer.

Nailer? I'm new here, so bear with me. Is that an employee or a resident? Employee, employee. I love the hat. Are you one of those people that wear shorts all the times? Well, yeah, I'm the Santa that does not wear the uniform for it. Gotcha.

Guess now? Yeah. Gentlemen right out here. Yeah, it's a secret. You want to come out this way? How's it going? Hey, how are you? Oh, you are.

Holy cow. You don't look up at too many people. Super Shadder thing. It's about some messages from Reddit to this boy that was talking to you and some sessions like, I got to start to talk about it. Yeah. Oh, great sure.

Awesome. Awesome. Thanks. So, Benjamin Naylor, and is now not so secret fake Santa, go out to the parking lot, and they have a little chat, and Benjamin Naylor's reaction is a little surprising. So I just wanted,

it was obviously volunteered to talk to me all that stuff but i just want to have a conversation about some stuff that's been going on online you know i know you're a good dude and everything and as someone with a grandma in in nursing home right now i really appreciate what you do so thank you for that yeah you're good what got you into this i i know who you are okay i've seen your content okay well i'm uh since i genuinely do have a grandma in a nursing home so i i work here okay well i understand that been said um you know the video see has not all of them get published okay that's true you're only 31 right yeah okay i'm not here to crap at someone doing a good thing a lot of the people i talk to or you know

they're not contributors in any way and i just think look so um we can just cut the formalities in everything um okay i'm here to talk about session and stuff okay the conversation continues between Alex Rosen and Benjamin Naylor, where Alex asks about his online activity. So here, this is just a, so we're here with that Ben, Ben guy at his job right now. You know, unfortunately, he's been trading porn of babies online, but that's okay. So what app do you find the people on to trade with usually? So typically, you know, I, through the session wrap and then they find me on session. They find you on session?

Yeah. Okay. What app do they, do you know, find each other on session or do you start another app? Uh, so it was just, it was all through session. All through session? Yeah. Okay. What app do the boys, the little boys find you on?

Um, like, it's like I said, it's all, all the Reddit crap. All the Reddit, correct. And they just messaged me on session. Oh, okay. So basically, all the child porn of the boys, they find you on Reddit, then they go to session. Correct. Got it. Got it.

I see. Fair enough. Um. The conversation continues, and Nailer starts to discuss sex abuse material and how he has viewed it. Cool. So what's this whole thing I see going around? basically it was this guy that molest is his baby brother okay how old's his brother um he's like baby age man okay yeah how many times have you seen that video um i've seen it quite a few times oh jesus

like i said it was it was just a bunch of bunch of bull crap where do they do where do they trade it on um it was on session okay it's all the session how often do they talk about it on reddit um why do you have your phone up it was just the relate to the decoys yeah okay okay okay So you can see it right there. Benjamin Naylor is admitting to doing some really, really awful things, watching a person molest a baby, and he's admitting to it as a camera is recording. The predator poachers contacted Cincinnati police and they arrived and took Naylor into custody. He's been trading child pornography. This is Benjamin Naylor of Cincinnati, Ohio, attracted to ages 0 through 10, trading child porn with babies, talking to multiple kids online grooming them. He's off of Reddit, as a lot of these people are, but we're attacking the shit out of Reddit. We just hear our content still talked.

Court documents claim that Nailer had horrific videos on his phone, one of a baby being sexually assaulted and screaming, another of a boy being sexually assaulted and begging for it to stop. An affidavit states that Nailer knowingly possessed two images of child sex abuse material and also possessed and distributed two videos of child sex abuse material, all on his personal cellular. phone. Okay, so to talk about how Ben Naylor ended up in jail, I want to bring in Alex Rosen. He is the head of predator poachers, and he's the guy that you saw in that video talking to Ben Naylor. So, Alex, thank you so much for joining me. First of all, talk to me a little bit about how you were able to engage in a conversation, at least using what you called one of your decoys online. with this Ben Naylor. Yeah, so Ben reached out to one of our decoys.

We were trolling Reddit, and he found us off of there. And, yeah, he said to our decoy, our 13-year-old boy decoy, that quote-unquote, age is just a number. And said some perverted things, but nothing really crossing into the line of criminality. However, based on Naylor's posts online, we were able to just doing this for six years. we were able to definitely highly, highly assume that he was into child pornography

just based on the lingo he was using, just based on what he was advertising, what he described himself as. So despite the chats really not being the worst, the worst that we've seen, his other online stuff definitely made us want to go get him and see what he was going to be into. Like, for example, it was that bad with what he was advertising that. Even if he did not chat to her underage D quest, still would have approached him to confront him about what we had on him. That's very interesting.

So you have somebody posing, you said, as a 13-year-old boy on Reddit, and you said you're trolling. So you're almost like, you're casting a line. You got like your little worm on the line, which is your decoy, just hanging out on Reddit. And you're saying Ben Naylor kind of took, grabbed the lure and started chatting and said enough that you were like, okay, we think this guy. is into some bad stuff and things unfolded from there.

Right, right. So he blocked, he blocked at some point, but his online posts were still very active with what he was doing. And based on that, we absolutely assumed that he had child pornography of the youngest age as possible, and we ended up being right about that. Did Ben Naylor ever transmit anything to your decoy?

No, he did not, luckily. He kept the chat. PG-13, I'd say, like he was very perverted, but did not solicit a sex act per se. And I think that it could just come out of nervousness because obviously we're not talking to a real kid. So we can't do everything that a real kid is capable of doing. Like at some point there has to be, at some point there's a hole in the story. And, yeah, so he was very public about who he is online. Or I guess he's not too, too public, but we were able to find out who he was pretty quickly.

And we were able to find out where he works. And, you know, we know that he's working in a hospital system, which there's always children around. And I think somebody who is getting off to the abuse of baby should not be in a hospital system or in society in general or alive. But, you know, whatever. So how do you decide when you're going to move in? And because, you know, I remember years ago covering a similar case where the police were kind of like, you know, we're not going to be able to prosecute this because, you know, there were certain things in the law that had to be followed. Like it had to be, it had to be a law enforcement officer posing as a person.

It couldn't be a citizen posing as, as a person underage, things of that nature. They had to follow all of these guidelines in order for the charge to stick. So how did you decide to move in and how were they able to make this arrest and it was able to stick? Well, so in 42 states, the law states that as long as they believe it to be a minor, and the chats can be prosecuted. So where I'm from in Texas, there is no stipulation that it has to be a law enforcement officer, and that's the case in most states. However, in Ohio, that is a stipulation.

So even if Benjamin Naylor straight up met for sex, sent a ton of penis pictures to us or whatever, at face value, the law couldn't prosecute him. However, in a lot of states, there's a criminal attempt to commit a felony statute. So they still could prosecute these in Ohio if the prosecutors were smart or had nuts to actually do their job. For example, we had a guy in Defiance, Ohio that we caught later that night, and they actually charged it with criminal attempt at importuning. So importuning is basically talking to who you think is a kid or talking to a law enforcement officer posing as a kid or soliciting a real kid online. But it has to be a cop in the importuning law. However, the criminal attempt at that is a felony for, instead of a felony through importuning is.

So the criminal attempt knocks it down a felony, but they can still charge it if the, if the, if the, if the, person attempts to do that crime because they think the circumstances of the crime are the same. They think they're talking to a kid. They're attempting to do it so they can charge him with a criminal attempt. However, in Naylor's case, I wouldn't even say he committed importunity. He just kind of, you know, is being weird to a kid online or to what he thought was a kid. However, in places like Ohio, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, where the law is kind of wishy-washy on us doing it with chat logs, getting them on child pornography. The child pornography statute is pretty much the same in all 50 states. So somebody has child porn on their phone, and that's

we really focus on and we report them for that child pornography, we get that child pornography admission, then it basically forces the cops to act because technically the child porn has nothing to do with us. It has nothing to do with our decoy chats. They either have it or they don't, and we just happen to be the reporting party in that case. So we really focused on getting Ben to confess the child porn. Like for those who have seen the video, I only ask about like the decoy count towards the end of the interview, like I don't really care about it too much because I'm trying to get them on the obvious charge of child pornography and that's what we were there And that's why I was able to stick.

So you show up at his place of employment, now his former place of employment, the Christ Hospital. And tell me how this kind of unfolds. I mean, do you just kind of hang out in the parking lot? I mean, do you let the cops know that you're coming and that you're going to do this? Or do you just hang out in the parking lot and you're like, you know he's like coming to work or coming back from lunch or whatever? And then you just kind of move in with your camera and you're. waiting? Well, so in this case, the Christ Hospital has a lot of buildings around Cincinnati, so finding which one he would work at would it take all day if I went to every single one,

like manually. So I called like this, the number for Christ's Hospital instead, and I posed as a secret Santa basically just saying, hi, is there a Benjamin Naylor there? I'm like a secret Santa. And for whatever reason, just a flamboyant male on the phone just lowers the guard of every single female possible. So she just immediately tells me where he's working. Like she gives me the, she gives me like his building, like the address of it, all of that stuff. And I'm just like, okay, that was very easy. So we save probably hours and just go to the right building. And, you know, I go up to the front desk and I'm like, hi, I got a secret Santa for Benjamin. And I'm wearing like a cute little snowman hat, like a little top hat on top. Like I'm just totally

dressed for the part. And, you know, two minutes later Benjamin comes waltzing out. And, you know, I just drop the act. I'm like, hey, man, let's go talk outside about some of this stuff. And he instantly knew what it was about. And then he mentioned that he's seen our channel online and he still confessed everything anyway. And as for calling the cops beforehand, it really just depends on the jurisdiction. Like, if we have a good relationship with them, we just sometimes do that or sometimes do it, depending on how they want us to handle it. But in this case, we did not. And yeah, he gave a very, very detailed confessions about his illegal activities online. It was ready for the cops on a silver platter. Wow. Wow. Wow.

So he actually said to you, yeah, I've watched your channel. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, we know now that he's in the jail and he's facing some criminal charges. We'll wait to see what comes of that. I'm assuming the cops got a search warrant for his phone and we'll be dumping it and seeing what's on there, maybe even going to his house and getting a search warrant for his computer. I don't know that, but that's where, you know, that's where the next, that's what the next logical step would be. Have you had any communication with the police about this guy?

Yeah, so later that day, they contacted me just getting some more info about it. But, I mean, it's pretty cut and dry. I mean, they took his phone on scene. And I believe they already did dump it because he was not charged that same day. They charged him, I think, just last night. So it's been like almost a week. And so I think they did dump it and they found the appropriate. accounts to slap him with and like he was a little bit more careful i think i mean not with what

he said to us but he's a little more careful than i think a lot of them because he kind of um i don't think he was like a hoarder of child porn like he kind of did what we like to call a beaten delete where he kind of just like views it gets rid of it he doesn't have too much in circulation at one time but either way it's um you know it's all it's all traceable and the cops found what was on his phone and it's definitely enough to put him in jail for a very long time wow whoa this is just kind of blow in my mind completely um so how long have you been doing this alex um i've been doing this for six and a half years now i've been doing this since i was 19 years old i'm 25 now and yeah over the past six years we have arrested all 50 states convictions in 43 and

over 260 convictions total what kind of motivates you to do this you just kind of just the keeping kids safe i mean just the absolute cringe factor the disgust of people who are housed by this gross stuff? Yeah, I mean, knowing how big the issue is. I mean, just that day in Ohio alone, we caught two people who were into as young as toddlers, Benjamin, of course, being number one. And then later in Defiance, Ohio,

you know, the guy I was talking about getting charged with criminal attempt at importuning, Tony Madden, he was worse than Naylor. I mean, we caught him, and he admitted to molesting three of his children, one step kid and two of his actual kids. and one of them is two years old now. He's actively doing it.

And to be able to be a part of a team that puts a stop to that, I mean, there's no more fulfilling feeling. I mean, you can go to sleep at night knowing that you made a difference. And that is the number one motivation of why we do what we do. Wow. I was shocked at seeing a little bit of what Nailer said to you, the fact that he did admit to being turned on by infants. And, you know, the fact that he's just standing.

there and he said he's kind of saying all this to you on camera. I'm kind of shocked. I'm shocked that he didn't just walk away and say, hey, dude, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm at work. But he just, the way he stood there and just kept talking to you was a little bit stunning to me. Well, it's all about leverage. You know, obviously you can't blackmail people, but you can apply pressure where it's right. And you basically got to be a salesman to the fact that telling me your Dark Secrets is your best option forward right now because, you know, because he's thinking in his mind, well, if I go in, then maybe he's going to cause a stink. And of course, I'm not telling him that or telling him anything. But, you know, you just got to sell it in a

non-judgmental way that, like, you talk to me is the best option. Like, a line I could drop on them is that, you know, everybody that has your back doesn't understand the internet. And everybody that understands the internet is going to try to get after you. I'm the only person who understands the internet and it's going to have your back in your whole life. So I'm here for you, man. And they, too, they've been. they fall for that one a lot and um yeah i say that line has put a lot of pedophiles away wow uh well i will be interested to see if they add more charges at the grand jury i mean right now he's being held on you know the charges that they took him in on that's it right um so they can always add

additional charges at grand jury depending on what they could find maybe on other electronic devices I don't know if that's what they're looking into, but we'll wait and see. Any final thoughts? Well, I appreciate you having me on, and I'm glad Ben Naylor is getting exposed far and wide. I don't think he's a good person, and I think this should be one of the many consequences for pedophiles getting blasted on the Internet. So I'm glad you're taking part in that. Thanks for making it a reality. Well, thank you, Alex Rosen, for talking with me.

Alex, you can find him online. He is the head of Predator. poachers. They are on YouTube and Kik. They're all over the place. Thanks again. Thank you. Now, I want to let you know that I reached out to Reddit. And at the time of this recording, I have not heard back from the company about what they do, if anything, to look out for predators trolling for people on their site. Benjamin Naylor had worked at the Christ Hospital, but he was fired after his arrest. He is being held without bond at the jail. And that's it for this episode of Crime Fix. I'm Janette Levy. Thanks so much for being with me.

me. I'll see you back here next time.