Crime Fix with Angenette Levy - New Bryan Kohberger Crime Scene Photos Reveal Clues in Idaho Murders

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Idaho State Police assisted Moscow Police in the investigation into the murders of University of Idaho students Maddie Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. ISP's crime scene investigators took hundreds of photos of the inside and outside of the home. They also photographed and processed Bryan Kohberger's car after his arrest. Law&Crime's Angenette Levy goes through the photos and shows the story they tell with "True Crime with the Sarge" host Joe Giacalone, in this episode of Crime Fix — a daily show covering the biggest stories in crime.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code CRIMEFIX at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: http://incogni.com/crimefixHost:Angenette Levy  https://twitter.com/Angenette5Guest:Joe Giacalone https://www.youtube.com/@TrueCrimeWithTheSargeProducer:Jordan ChaconCRIME FIX PRODUCTION:Head of Social Media, YouTube - Bobby SzokeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinVideo Editing - Daniel CamachoGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of this Law and Crimes series ad-free right now. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Moscow Police Department is you in here and have to the South. After Moscow Police cleared the house on King Road, the homicide investigation began. I go through new photos just released that give us more clues about what happened in the house and what Brian Koberger's car looked like after police seized it. Welcome to Crime Fix. I'm Ann Jeanette Levy. More evidence from the Idaho murders is being released. We're seeing photos taken from inside the house on King Road as crime scene investigators went over every inch of the house, searching for clues into the murders of Maddie Mogan, Killingonsolves, Xanacernodal, and Ethan Chapin. The four were stabbed to death. Just after 4 a.m. on November 13th, As you know, former Washington State University criminology Ph.D. student Brian Coburger was charged

more than six weeks later with the murders. He's now serving four consecutive life sentences for the crimes after pleading guilty. Back on November 13th, 2022, Moscow police officer Mitch Noons responded to 1122 King Road for what he thought was an unconscious college student. Yeah. Officer Nunes. Officer Nunes went up the stairs and found Zana Kurnodal in her bedroom. Ethan Chapin was also there in the bed, stabbed to death. Then it was time to secure the crime scene. Okay. Here. Can you guys go over to the dumpster for me, please? Okay, let's clear it. Okay, let's clear it.

Thanks for... We're going to be in a hostage, so I understand. The top here. Look up. I'm going to just start down here. Police department. Police apartment. Police apartment.

it doesn't get much more serious than this when you're a police officer what was supposed to be a call for an unconscious college student has now turned into a quadruple homicide investigation Please, fire it. We're in third, four, I'm going to get up. Two, two. We're clear. We're clear. Let me just secure the outside first. There's a back entry.

I was going to start taping it all off. Trying to taping outside off. Okay. Two right here. Two right here. I cover a lot. I got in there. I cover a lot of pretty scary stories here on Crime Fix.

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And I kept calling your name if she wouldn't answer. And I saw the guy. Oh, my, I just walked the door and I ran outside, but we don't know what's going on. Dylan Mortensen then described a man that she saw in the house wearing all black from head to toe. All right, describe the guy that you saw. I don't think he was a little bit taller than me. And, um, I couldn't really see much of him, but I, he's, I'm sorry. I'm almost positive.

He's bringing a full black outfit. And he had this mask that was just over his forehead and over his mouth. And he didn't see anything to me at all. I just shut the door and locked it because I didn't know what to do. And I think he went out like the side door, the sliding door in the kitchen that goes out to the backyard. All of this information, it's very important because it's going to aid in the collection of evidence and the processing of the crime scene. Moscow police called Idaho State Police to assist them in processing the scene. and we're now seeing some of the photos that CSI's from ISP took.

The photos start outside. It's dark. At that time of year, it gets dark around 4.30 in the afternoon. CSIs photographed the vehicles at the house, including Ethan Chapin's Jeep. They also photographed Kaley's Rangerover. Remember, she went to Moscow that weekend to show off her new car and to hang out with her friends. Zana's car was also photographed in Maddie's car. was also examined. The photos show the side of the house where crime scene tape was wrapped around

the area. The backyard with a couch and string lights is frozen in time. The string lights would actually remain on for months after the murders. The sliding glass door potentially held clues and evidence. That's where the man in all black entered and exited the house. It was photographed from outside and from the inside of the house. The kitchen window was also photo. there was a handprint on it, and at that time, there was no way to know whether it was relevant to the investigation or not. There was also a footprint in the snow that piqued the interest of investigators. It was documented with a ruler to show the length of the footprint. Could this belong to the killer and did it show his path of travel? It's very likely so because investigators

believe the killer parked in the parking lot behind and above the house. Inside the home, investigators also photographed the kitchen. The kitchen was important because the killer entered the home through the sliding glass door in the kitchen. And Zana Kurnodal, she may have been in the kitchen as the murders were occurring or shortly before. Take a look. Zana's DoorDash meal was delivered at 359 a.m.

The jack-in-the-box bag is on the counter. You can see inside the bag and the food has obviously been removed so we know that Zana at least ate some of it. The bag is clearly marked with her name and her. her fries from the meal can be seen on top of the microwave. Some are still in the carton. This next part is interesting because it may explain the music that Dylan said she heard. To be clear, this is just one of my thoughts and kind of my theory. CSI's photographed this Bluetooth speaker that was in the kitchen. It's sitting on a stool.

We know that Zana was on TikTok after 4 a.m. So could Zana's phone have possibly been connected to this speaker and have been playing a TikTok video or could she have simply just been playing music on her phone while eating her food? And then she heard noise and Murphy barking and ran upstairs to check it out. Is that what happened? In the living room, you can see the beer pong table with Officer Noon's medical bag sitting next to it. He didn't use it after all. A closer shot at the table shows the beer pong cups and a knife sitting next to it.

That is the knife that Hunter Johnson told police he grabbed that morning for protection after discovering Ethan and Zana murdered. This is a closer shot of that knife. Other photos show a different view of the same room. It's the living room with the sectional couch and the TV and the cubby. There are also photos of the living room that show the beer pong table and that neon good vibe sign. This leads to the stairs to the third floor. Dylan Mortensen's bedroom is near the staircase across from the kitchen entryway. And this photo shows the stairs to the third floor and Maddie Mogan's bedroom door to the left at the top of the stairs.

I'd like to bring in Joe Jackalone. He is host of the True Crime with the Sarge YouTube channel, also a retired cold case sergeant with the NYPD. So, Joe, thanks for coming on. I would like to get your thoughts, first of all, on the body camera footage and the police response. We've got this young cop, Mitch Noon's, 22 years old, thinking he's going to call for an unconscious person. and what he finds is horrific. Yeah, certainly. I mean, we do know that there isn't a lot of violence

that these cops deal with on a day-to-day basis and, you know, see the brutality that this officer has to encounter at this point. It's just one of those things where, you know, each police department is different, you know, working in New York City from, you know, in 1992 and seeing this stuff every day and doing this, you kind of get a little hard into it.

So, yeah, I mean, everybody, members there first, but this, unfortunately, this officer has to be, you know, walk into a quadruple homicide. So it's, it's difficult to deal with, and you can hear it in his voice and in some of his actions. What is there about his actions that stands out to you? Well, I look at this and I see several training issues that need to be addressed. And this is just not for this incident. Yes, I know it's easy to Monday morning quarterback these things. But at this point in 2025, we should have a good handle on how to handle a crime scene. And I don't care if this happens once every 20 years in your town or it happened every day. And there are certain things that need to be done, including

securing the scene immediately. But when you're dealing with a situation where this officer walks into the house, he finds at least one or possibly two bodies. We can't really tell because it's blacked out. He immediately leaves and goes against the yellow tape, which I understand could be that first reaction. But under the exception to the Fourth Amendment, you have the emergency the exception. And you need to search that entire house immediately to find out if there are other potential victims that are still alive that need help or looking for the suspect. And we used to refer to this as the elephant in the as tray. You can look for anything that could fit. So if you're looking for a person, you can look under a bed, in a closet, you know, in a big trunk, let's just

say, whatever it may be, because that's what you're doing. So that house should have been cleared immediately, not only for the potential victims, but office of safety too. Once they get outside, we know that, you know, they tell the kids to go over to the dumpster. And they're like, nobody can leave, go over to the dumpster. And they're all hanging out at the dumpster while he gets the crime scene tape and wraps it around the house. Should there have been more done possibly to separate the kids at that point? Or what do you think should have happened? He's kind of torn between the two, right, what to go back inside to see if search for other potential victims,

that also you have to be concerned about, you know, interview contamination. And if you watch this video, you can see that's kind of exactly what happened. He tells her to stand on the side. And when he comes back out, she's out there talking to the whole group of kids again, telling everybody what she saw and this and that. And what happened is now everybody kind of gets that same story down. And it's important, especially when you have somebody that was inside the house who called 9-1-1. Me personally, I would have taken her specifically she didn't have a lot to close on. I would have put her right in the back of the patrol car, shut the door and say, you're fine. Once you keep you warm and safe, just stay here. Don't move. Don't talk to anybody.

But that message never seemed to get out. Let's move on now to the crime scene photos. You know, we're seeing things from the kitchen. We're seeing things from inside the house. Is there anything that stands out to you from the crime scene photos inside the house? Well, I'm assuming, you know, of course, the cars, that was the most important part. And that was kind of vocal from this in the beginning. I mean, I don't care if this guy, whoever it was at the time, because we didn't know. I had made the statement that I don't care if he was wearing a suit of armor. I mean, if he went in there and violently attacked these four individuals with a knife,

there is an excellent chance that he's going to take something with him, right? The low-carge exchange principle. The theory of transfer between two objects, something, leave something behind, something, take something with him. And when you have a knife attack specifically, you would find a lot of blood on the suspect themselves, too, whether it's either on the feed or on the floor. But the getaway car, you know, should have had some evidence in it. So when you look at that white dust, I mean, it could be a couple things. My first impression was maybe it was the car wash foam. Maybe somebody was trying to clean it.

But then you also, you know, when we spoke about this, you could talk about it. It could be a luminal thing because it does come out white initially. Yes, it fluoresces blue. but if the initial color is white and they were probably looking for the detection of blood at that case. Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. The white all over the dash,

all over the steering wheel, all over those, you know, the turn signal thing, the little bar by the gear shift. They tore that car apart. Oh, yeah. Trying to see, oh, my God, is there something in here?

Is there any DNA, anything from the victims? And it was stated in court many times pre-trial that there was nothing. So Brian Coburger, apparently, you know, when they arrested him, there was a bucket of cleaner next to the car. This is what they said in court. So he was going through that car extensively. And they said even down in the cubby of the door, there was nothing in there.

That's how clean it was. So, you know, that's pretty interesting to me that maybe that's, maybe that's, that was cleaning product that he had put on there and applied and not yet removed? Is that possible? You know, what could it be? Well, of course, it could be cleaner. We don't know for sure. I think, you know, Lauren Flynn, if asked that question in a press or whatever, they would probably answer exactly to what that white substance is. But knowing what we do know now and his background and especially doing his little crime scene essays and stuff like that, you would seem to think that his car was prepared for such an event, whether it was wrapped in plastic or Tybeck or what have you, both

the floors and the floorboards and the seat and everything else that goes along with it. You know, that's why I don't think they've ever recovered his clothes that he was wearing. And I think if they ever do find that, the knife and everything else, I think they'll find what was wrapped up with it that was sitting inside the car. Because I cannot imagine somebody going in there brutally attacking four people and not leaving at least a trace behind in a vehicle that he was in. The photos inside the house are kind of interesting to me, specifically the kitchen,

because that was the point of entry. So that is going to be a major focus of the CSIs, I would assume, because you've got the sliding glass door there that we would assume the killer would have touched to enter an exit. And then you've got Zana's DoorDash meal there. And she ate at least part of it

because we can see inside the bag and the food is not in there. The wrappers are just there. And then her French fries are on top of the microwave. So I think those are pretty critical to the investigation, wouldn't you say? Sure. I mean, we know about the delivery time, right? I guess they have with the app they can figure out exactly when that delivery was made and when it was, you know, the deal was finalized, so to speak. But I think one of the really catching sound clips was when Dylan says,

This is Moscow. Nothing ever happens or something like that, you know, so the door wasn't locked and all these other things that go along with it. I think, you know, when you hear that, you kind of look back and, you know, there's like the light bulb moment. Everybody thought they were safe because this is Moscow and nothing ever happens. Well, unfortunately, this is a situation where it can happen anywhere. And you need to take precautions. Yeah, it can most definitely happen anywhere. You know, do you think that we'll see any more evidence? Because, you know, we know the only DNA left in that house of Brian Koberger's was on the knife sheath, the snap of the knife sheath. So do you think that we'll get a look at, it seems like this evidence is dribbling out bit by bit piece by piece? Do you think we'll get a look at other photos? And I'm not talking about photos of the deceased very. victims, but just other photos because in court it was described as like hundreds, if not thousands

of photographs that were taken by state police. Well, there's a good possibility. I mean, when you're taking crime scene photos, you usually take several of the same object. You know, usually you take it what we call from Latin term, in situ, which is in place. And then you take it with a marker, whether it's a ruler. So everything has duplicate and triplicate, you know, photos. So a lot of it might be of the same thing over and over again. So, yes, there could be hundreds, if not a thousand photographs.

But I think probably 300 to 400 probably is where we're really talking about in regards to original photos, meaning the same item over and over again. And I know the family's been upset about the release already. And I think it was, you know, that they try to have this stopped going through. So maybe in light of that, maybe they will not release anymore on top of this because the family members are, you know, already suffered enough and now they have to go through this and have the same questions asked over and over again. Yeah. And they have a hearing this week in Leitaw County about the release of photos from the bedrooms. They don't want any of the photos from the actual bedroom crime scenes released. So I don't think they want any of this released, but they only, I think they feel like they have standing to argue that those photos, even in redacted form not be released.

I agree with that. I mean, at this point, the public doesn't need to know exactly what transpired into this. They have a suspect. They arrested him. He's now been convicted by his own admission. At this point, there is no threat to the, you know, the general public. And the scene, crime scene photos, other than just to gawk or ghoul at them, I don't think that there is any value that the public should actually see them. I know it might be an unpopular opinion, but I mean, listen, I've been to, I couldn't you how many crime scenes and watch, you know, what happens to the family members and the victims and so forth. But at this point, the trauma that even cops to have to deal with all the time, I don't think you need to translate that over to the general public. Yeah, we know what happened, sadly, in those rooms. I want to ask you just to wrap this up about the timed runs that Idaho State Police conducted. You know, the defense was going to argue at trial that there was no way one person could have done that. in such a, you know, killed four people in such a short amount of time. The state police did what they call, you know, timed runs. And they said they found that it was possible for Coburger to have carried out the murders in as few as two minutes and six seconds, which sounds really fast to me, given what we know about what happened. And then in as long as three minutes and 45 seconds where they did kind of a longer path. So given what we know, Zana fighting for her life and things like that, we know that he got in the house sometime after 408 or so. And he's tearing out of there at 420.

That's a 12-minute window. These times seem really fast, Joe. Yeah, I mean, and the frenzy that's going on. And I think maybe that's the reason why that the survivors are still alive is because of that frenzy. He was just exhausted when he left and he was zoned out. went in there. I mean, honestly, I would probably go a little longer than the three minute mark. I mean, we do know that one of the survivors heard somebody saying, you know, I'm here to help you, right? All that other stuff that goes on. So this, you know, that all stuff takes time and the

fact that he went in there. But you know what? They were asleep. They might not have been, you know, in their right mind at that point. So to attack somebody and take them pretty quickly, Yes, but I think two minutes and change is a little too short. Yeah, it seems way too fast. Just horrible. They didn't end up, of course, having to use this evidence at trial. Joe Jackalone, thank you so much. Host a True Crime with the Sarge.

I appreciate it. Anytime. And that's it for this episode of Crime Fix. I'm Ann Jeanette Levy. Thanks so much for being with me. I'll see you back here next time. Thank you.