Crime Fix with Angenette Levy - 'Psychopath Loser' Bryan Kohberger Ripped to Shreds in Heated Sentencing

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

The families of Maddie Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves and Xana Kernodle spoke during Bryan Kohberger's sentencing hearing on Wednesday. They spoke about their loved ones and how losing them has impa...cted their lives. Surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen spoke about her friends through tears as a representative for roommate Bethany Funke read a statement on her behalf. Law&Crime's Angenette Levy details the emotional statements in this episode of Crime Fix — a daily show covering the biggest stories in crime.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW: If you received Depo-Provera birth control shots and were later diagnosed with a brain or spinal tumor called meningioma, you may be eligible for a lawsuit. Visit https://forthepeople.com/lcdepo to start a claim now! Host:Angenette Levy  https://twitter.com/Angenette5Producer:Jordan ChaconCRIME FIX PRODUCTION:Head of Social Media, YouTube - Bobby SzokeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinVideo Editing - Daniel CamachoGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondery Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of this law and crimes series ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple podcasts or Spotify. Today you have no name. Because when this all started, we all came together and we said, let's stop even talking about his name and just use initials. So even the media just called you BK. That's all you are. The families of the victims of Brian Coburger telling him he is nothing and deserves to rot behind prison walls forever as he's sentenced to life behind bars. The time has now come to end Mr. Coburger's 15 minutes of fame. It's time that he be
Starting point is 00:00:41 consigned to the ignominy and isolation of perpetual incarceration. And the admitted killer saying nothing when asked whether he'd like to say anything at all. I respectfully decline. I have the emotional moments from the sentencing as families look for justice for Maddie, Kaylee, Zana and Ethan. I'm Ann Jeanette Levy and this is Crime Fix coming to you from the courthouse in Ada County, Idaho. We're in Boise and this is where Brian Coburger was sentenced to four consecutive life sentences
Starting point is 00:01:20 for the murders of Maddie Mogin, Kaylee Goncalves, Zanna Cronodle, and Ethan Chapin. This sentence, of course, was predetermined for consecutive life sentences because of the plea agreement that Brian Koberger agreed to with prosecutors, which removed the death penalty as a potential punishment. I was in the courtroom as those family members of Maddie, Kaylee, Zanna, and Ethan spoke, and also we heard from the surviving roommates for the very first time. We heard from Dylan Mortenson, who actually saw Brian Koberger in the house that morning. Because of him, for a beautiful,
Starting point is 00:02:00 genuine, compassionate people were taken from this world for no reason. He didn't just take their lives. He took the light that carried it into every room. He took away how they made everyone feel safe, loved, and full of joy. He took away the ability for me to tell him that I love him and that I'm so proud of them. He took away who they were becoming and the futures they were going to have. He took away birthdays, graduations, celebrations, and all the memories that we were supposed to make. All of it is gone.
Starting point is 00:02:54 And all the people who loved them are just left to carry that weight forever. He didn't just take them from the world. He took them from me, my friends, my people who felt like my home. The people I looked up to and adored more than anyone. He took away my ability to trust the world around me. What he did shattered me in places I didn't know could break. I was barely 19 when he did shattered me in places I didn't know could break. I was barely 19 when he did this.
Starting point is 00:03:28 We had just celebrated my birthday at the end of September. I should have been figuring out who I was. I should have been having the college experience and starting to establish my future. Instead, I was forced to learn how to survive the unimaginable. Now if you've been following this case, you know that Dylan Mortenson opened her bedroom door that morning and saw a man in all black with bushy eyebrows walking through the house. She said she made eye contact with him and that man was Brian Coburger walking out of the house after killing her four roommates, although she didn't know that at the time. As she walked up to give her victim impact statement, she shook. She was
Starting point is 00:04:09 practically convulsing and crying. Brian Coburger just sat and listened, his jaw moving slightly at times as she read her statement. Then someone read a statement on behalf of the second surviving roommate, Bethany Funk. I had been attacked by the public. I was grieving, numb, and unsure of what had happened, what's even real. And at the same time, I was getting flooded with death threats and hateful messages from people who did not know me at all or know the dynamic of our friendship.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Social media made it so much worse, and strangers made up stories to entertain themselves. The media harassed not just me but also my family. People showed up at our house. They called my phone, my parents phones, other family members phones and we were chased while I was still trying to survive emotionally and grieve the loss of my friends. I hated and still hate that they're gone but for some reason I am still here and loss of my friends. I hated and still hate that they are gone, but for some reason I am still here and I got to live.
Starting point is 00:05:09 I still think about this every day. Why me? Why did I get to live and not them? For the longest time, I could not even look at their families without feeling sick with guilt. I did not know what to say or what to do. I was terrified that my presence just made their pain worse and I was still here when their kid, their siblings and their friends, their loved ones
Starting point is 00:05:32 should have been here instead. After everything happened I was afraid to go into my own backyard or alone in my house. I was scared that the person who did this would come for me next. I was always scared that the media would try to catch me at any moment of any day. Even when I was just walking around my house, I made my parents close all the blinds during the day so no one could see me even in the slightest chance. I barely left the house and when I did, I made sure I was never alone. I slept in my parents room for almost a year. I made them double lock every door, set an alarm, and still check everywhere in the room just in case someone was hiding and I still check my room every night before and I double lock it. I have not slept through
Starting point is 00:06:24 a single night since this happened. I constantly wake up in panics, terrified. Someone is breaking in or someone is here to hurt me or I'm about to lose someone else that I love. The fear never really leaves. This is another law and crime legal alert. If you received Depo-Provera birth control shots and were later diagnosed with a brain or spinal tumor called meningioma, you may be eligible to take part in a lawsuit.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Morgan & Morgan is investigating claims that patients were not properly warned about this risk. It's free to check, just takes a few minutes, and you don't pay unless they win. So scan that QR code that you see on your screen, click the link below or go to ForThePeople.com slash LC Depot to see if you qualify. Then Maddie Mogan's parents spoke. First, Scott Laramie, her stepfather who raised her, he spoke. And then an attorney for the family read a statement on behalf of Maddie's mother, Karen.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Maddie was our gift of life, our purpose, and our hope. Maddie quickly became Karen's joy, identity, and purpose in life. I joined Maddie's life when she was two and a half years old. Experience transformed me into a life of joy, love, and family. Maddie was bright, beautiful, kind, empathic. She listened carefully to others and was observant, seeing and caring about the hearts and the minds of all she encountered. She loved music and music festivals. She had a wonderful
Starting point is 00:08:06 sense of humor. She excelled in school. She was an easy child, a cheesy child to raise, almost never requiring discipline and almost always given us a parental joy. One time Karen remembers disciplining Maddie as a little girl. Maddie responded, you broke my heart. Which of course melted ours. She had a keen wit, even at that young age. As she transitioned into teenage years.
Starting point is 00:08:48 She prioritized us and extended family over many of the distractions that captured teenagers. She showered us with her presence and love at family events, barbecues, picnics, birthdays, holidays and others. She spent countless hours with her papa, her uncle David, Aunt Aideen and her other close family and friends. This world was a better place with her in it. As she reached adulthood, Maddie applied her studies to be a marketing professional,
Starting point is 00:09:34 entering into an internship at Payne West and started planning her professional future. As with all things, she involved Karen and myself in the joy of her journey. As she transitioned into womanhood, Karen and I continued to be astounded at this wonderful and accomplished person we had created. All parents dream of their children accomplishing more than them. We realized this dream. All we had not become, she was becoming. Maddie Mogens paternal grandmother spoke as did her biological father, Ben Mogen. I'm thankful for the strong families and communities that are supporting the
Starting point is 00:10:18 survivors. At the time, I could think of only two blessings surrounding the horrific murders. One was that Ben was living with my partner Tom and me at the time, and that we could support each other emotionally through it all. Sadly, Tom died a year ago of a rare brain cancer, and he won't be here to see justice served. He was our family's rock, and we all miss him every day. A second blessing is that my mother died of COVID several months before the kids were killed,
Starting point is 00:11:00 and she didn't have to live through the horror. It was difficult to identify blessings. So we've all lost our dear child and a future with her. I ache for the loss of the dreams that she and her true love, Jake, held. And my heart goes out to Karen and Scotty and your side of Maddie's family. You've had more than your share of loss. My heart aches for the kids' roommates and the families of the other victims. And also the family of the perpetrator.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Going forward, we Mogan's are choosing to put our energy and focus into honoring Maddie's two short life and sweet spirit by celebrating Maddie May Day which my two daughters established on May 25th each year Maddie's birthday we encourage folks to do random acts of kindness in Maddie's name in my daughter Katie's words, may we all protect our peace in whatever way possible, unite in community and focus on joy. Please do enacting kindness in Maddie's honor during this week so a glimmer of Maddie's light may live on.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Thank you. Last thing that she ever wrote to me was this Father's Day card. of Maddie's light may live on. Thank you. Last thing that she ever wrote to me was this Father's Day card. And I'm so glad I still have it. I'm just gonna read what she said. It says, happy Father's Day. I hope you have the best day.
Starting point is 00:13:01 I can't wait till we can hang out again soon. I'll be in Coeur d'Alene 624 to 74. Hopefully we can find a time then. I love your birthday card that you sent me by the way. Maybe we can see a concert sometime soon. I'd love to see the gourds when it's not so smoky out. I hope you're doing well. I'm proud of how far you've come.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Thank you for always encouraging me to do my best. Love you lots and lots. Love, Maddie Mae. She did encourage me to, not just to do my best, but to live on. I went through a lot of issues with addiction and with substance abuse. And when I wasn't wanting to live anymore,
Starting point is 00:13:53 she was what would keep me from just not caring anymore. And knowing that she was out there and that she was out there and that she was such a beautiful person kept me alive a lot of rough moments. And I'm so glad that she was able to meet Jake. He was the only one that actually ever got to take her to the gorge. They went and saw watershed together and
Starting point is 00:14:28 Yeah, they they had a heck of a time I'm glad she got to that's a really special place for me And I always wanted she always wanted to work out there with me in the summer sometime And she never got to but at least she got to see it once with Jake. He was such a great guy He is such a great guy, and I really wanted to see what a future with them would have looked like I I'll never...I'll never be able to replace her, you know. I wrote a bunch of stuff, I don't...I just don't know what to say right now. I just miss her so much and I just love her more than anything.
Starting point is 00:15:26 And this shouldn't happen. After the Mogan's, Kayleigh Goncalves' family spoke. Her dad, Steve, spoke first. And as you know, he has been a tireless advocate for his daughter, and he has been a fierce critic of law enforcement. But that seemed to change today. He turned the podium and he faced Brian Koberger and spoke to him directly. You're a joke. Complete joke. But we took
Starting point is 00:15:59 this disaster and we did what we could. We put everything online, we took our kids, we took our images, we took everything that they did, their videos, their photos, the girls' pranks, Ethan singing, we put it out there, we shared it with the world and the world united. And all they ended up, when they talked about this case, is they talked about Kaylee Jade, Maddie Mae, Zana, and Ethan.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Everything that these people meant to us, a father, a mother, a brother, a sister, we shared that with our community. Then we shared it with our state, we shared it with the country, and eventually we shared it with our community. Then we shared it with our state, we shared it with the country, and eventually we shared it with the world. The world's watching because of the kids, not because of you. Nobody cares about you. You're not worth the time,
Starting point is 00:16:57 the effort to be remembered. In time, you will be nothing but two initials forgotten to the wind, no visitors, nothing more than initials on an otherwise unmarked tombstone. From this moment, we will forget you. We want to all leave in closing one last thing. You picked the wrong family, and we're laughing at you on your trip to the pen that
Starting point is 00:17:36 will be today or tomorrow. I'll close with God bless all the men and women that worked on this case and all the hard work that you guys did. You guys allowed us to grieve and allowed us to get through this. The amount of work that you guys put together and the way that you guys put it together was beautiful. There was hard times to be expected, but thank you all and God bless. Then Kaylee's older sister Olivia spoke and she faced Brian Coburger as well and told
Starting point is 00:18:12 him that he is a loser. I won't stand here and give you what you want. I won't offer you tears. I won't offer you trembling. Disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on the illusion of power. And I won't feed your beast. Instead, I will call you what you are. Sociopath, psychopath, murderer.
Starting point is 00:18:38 I will ask the questions that reverberate violently in my own head, so loudly that I can't think straight most any day. Some of these might be familiar, so sit up straight when I talk to you. How was your life right before you murdered my sisters? Did you prepare for the crime before leaving your apartment? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at this time. Why did you choose my sisters? Before making your move, did
Starting point is 00:19:12 you approach my sisters? Detail what you were thinking and feeling. Before leaving their home, is there anything else you did? How does it feel to know the only thing you failed more miserably at than being a murderer is trying to be a rapper? Did you recently start shaving or manually pulling out your eyebrows? Why November 13th? Did you truly think your Amazon purchase was untraceable because you used a gift card? How do you find it enjoyable to stargaze with such a severe case of visual snow? Where is the murder weapon? The clothes you wore that night?
Starting point is 00:20:00 What did you bring into the house with you? What was the second weapon you used on Kaylee? What were Kaylee's last words? Please describe in detail the level of anxiety you must have felt when you heard the bear cat pull up to your family home on December 30th, 2022. Which do you regret more? Returning to the crime scene five hours later, or never ever going back to Moscow, not even once after stalking them there
Starting point is 00:20:37 for months? If you were really smart, do you think you'd be here right now? What's it like needing this much attention just to feel real? If you were really smart, do you think you'd be here right now? What's it like needing this much attention just to feel real? You're terrified of being ordinary, aren't you? Do you feel anything at all? Or are you exactly what you always feared? Nothing.
Starting point is 00:21:03 If you're so powerful, then why are you still hiding, defendant? You see, I'm here today as me. But who are you? Let's try to take off your mask and see. You didn't create devastation. You revealed it in yourself. And that darkness you carry, that emptiness, you'll sit with it long after this is over.
Starting point is 00:21:28 That is your sentence and it was written on the wall long before you ever pled guilty. You didn't win. You just exposed yourself as the coward you are. You're a delusional, pathetic, exposed yourself as the coward you are. You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser who thought you were so much smarter than everybody else. And finally, Kaylee's mother, Christy, spoke. When you murdered my daughter, Kaylee Jaygonzalvez, you didn't just take her life, you shattered others. You attacked what you could never be and in doing so you
Starting point is 00:22:06 left a trail of devastation far beyond that house. You stole my peace. You've altered my every waking moment, every sleepless night, the way I view the world, people, safety, trust. It's all been changed by your cruelty. I no longer recognize parts of myself. Joy is harder to find. Laughter feels foreign. The world moves forward, but I'm suspended in a place of sorrow and rage. You've taken from me something that can never be restored. The grief sits with me every day, some days quietly and other days so loud it drowns out everything else. The grief sits with me every day, some days quietly and other days so loud it drowns out everything else. The emotional toll you've inflicted on me is immeasurable. I live with a constant ache
Starting point is 00:22:53 with birthdays that are now memorials, with holidays that feel hollow, with empty chairs that scream louder than words ever could. I am forever changed. But for you, as a person working on a PhD in criminal justice, you really didn't think this one through. You're not that good. In fact, you're not that good at anything. You couldn't secure a job. You couldn't get along with others.
Starting point is 00:23:24 You couldn't even get a female to look in your direction, all because you are pathetic. Now you're a joke in this courtroom. I wish I could have crowned, I wish I could crown you with a jester hat to complete your orange jumpsuit clown look. A dead killer doesn't kill again so while I'm disappointed the firing shot won't get to take their shots at you I'm confident that the men in prison will have their way with you in more ways than one. You will finally get what you wanted physical touch just probably not how you were expecting it. Zana Curnotel's father Jeff and her older sister Jasmine also addressed the court.
Starting point is 00:24:10 All I know is I was seven miles away when it happened and I had a she wasn't feeling that good. It was 11 30 and I almost went over to Zana's to say and I would have been sitting right there in that couch and you wanted to deal with me. So they would have had a chance and I would have been sitting right there in that couch and you wanted to deal with me. So they would have had a chance and I regret that. And I regret not going. But the reason why I didn't is because Zana said, don't be drinking and driving. Got the rental car, don't be drinking and driving,
Starting point is 00:24:37 you know, the week before that. So she was, she would have been mad at me to do that. But I really wish I would have drunk and drove, you know, because they would have had a chance, all four of them. I believe in a God whose justice is not bound by this courtroom. I find peace knowing that judgment ultimately belongs to Him. For your sake, I hope one day you feel the full weight of what you did. I hope you take accountability. I hope you truly experience the guilt and
Starting point is 00:25:13 you surrender yourself to Jesus Christ because no punishment on this earth can ever compare to the isolation and pain of eternal separation from God. Zana deserved more. They all did. But I come here to say this. I am strong. I am brave. I'm a fighter, just like Zana.
Starting point is 00:25:39 And you don't get to control how I move forward or what I believe. I walk with the comfort of knowing I will see my sister again. Zanna didn't get the future she deserved. She won't be the maid of honor at my wedding, the cool aunt to my future children. I'll never hear her laugh or see her light up a room ever again, but I will carry her with me for the rest of my life. I will live in her honor, fight to be the best kind of woman and someone she's
Starting point is 00:26:11 proud of, to make sure the world never forgets who she was. Zanna's story doesn't end with what was taken from her. It lives through the love she gave, the people she touched, and the legacy our family will protect. Her light still shines, and her voice will echo louder than this pain. You didn't take that from us and you never will. And then the court heard from Zanna's mother, Kara Northington. I do not fear you or even let you rent space in my head anymore. This forgiveness has released me from any and all evil you have inflicted on me and
Starting point is 00:26:53 my family. It has allowed me to let our Lord deal with you. You have accepted a deal that will prevent you from receiving the death penalty. Nothing man can do to you can ever compare to the wrath of God. Inevitably, you will stand before our Lord and will have to answer to him over the sins you have committed in murdering our children. I pray you come to the end of yourself before that day. Whether you like it or not,
Starting point is 00:27:36 heaven is for real and so is hell. The innocent life of Zana that you stole from myself and my family and the destruction of this and the destruction it has caused. I am washing my hands of you and turning you over to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, whom vengeance belongs to. After that, Zanna's aunt Kim Cronodle spoke and she actually told Brian Koberger that she forgives him and that she would like to hear from him. You know
Starting point is 00:28:15 this is probably gonna bother everybody but Brian, I'm here today to tell you I have forgiven you because I no longer could live with that hate in my heart. And for me to become a better person, I have forgiven you. And any time you want to talk and tell me what happened, get my number. I'm here. No judgment, because I do have answers or questions that I want you to answer.
Starting point is 00:28:46 And I'm here. I'll be that one that'll listen to you. And while there was some forgiveness during this hearing, there was also a lot of grief and pain, of course. Why wouldn't there be? Zanna Kernodle's stepfather spoke about wanting to take Brian Coburger into the woods for just five minutes to teach him a lesson. I don't know what my limits are here,
Starting point is 00:29:09 but I'm really struggling, dude. I am struggling. So I wanna just be out in the woods with you just so I can teach you about loss and pain. I love God. I wouldn't take your life. That's up to him. But I guarantee you, you are weak. God, I would just give a moment, man, five minutes out in the woods.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Oh, man. You're going to go to hell. I know people believe in other stuff. You're evil. There's no place for you in heaven. You took our children. You are gonna suffer, man. I'm shaking, so I wanna reach out to you, but I just, I hope you feel my energy, okay? Go to hell.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The family of Ethan Chapin decided not to attend the sentencing. Instead, Stacey Chapin, Ethan's mother, posted a photo of her oldest triplet son on Instagram. But then, Brian Koberger was asked by Judge Hippler whether he wanted to address the court, whether he wanted to say anything.
Starting point is 00:30:18 This is what he said. All right, Mr. Koberger, you have an opportunity to make a statement if you wish to. I take it you are declining. I respectfully decline. Well. That moment was absolutely unbelievable. And from the victim's side of the courtroom, you could hear gasps and muttering and people were calling Brian Kohlberger a coward.
Starting point is 00:30:39 And then it came time for Judge Hippler to address the court, to address the audience, and to hand down the sentence. I hereby sentence Mr. Kohlberger as follows. On count one, burglary, 10 years fixed, zero years indeterminate. I also impose a fine of $50,000. Count two, first degree murder of Madison Mogan. I sentence the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, a fine of $50,000,
Starting point is 00:31:14 and a civil penalty of $5,000 payable to the family of the victim. On count three, for first degree murder of Kayleigh Gonzalez, I sentenced the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, a fine of $50,000, and a civil penalty of $5,000 payable to the victim of the family. Or to the family of the victim, pardon me. There were times during this hearing where Judge Hibler actually wiped tears from his eyes. You could tell that he was crying and even sniffling. It was incredibly emotional. And now Brian Koberger,
Starting point is 00:31:50 he will be sent to the Idaho Department of Corrections where he will likely live out the rest of his days in a cell, only getting a few privileges here and there. And that's it for this episode of Crime Fix from Boise, Idaho. I'm Anjanette Levy. We'll see you back here next time.

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