Crime Junkie - MISSING: Trevor Deely

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

A 22-year-old IT worker attends his company holiday dinner party in downtown Dublin… and then vanishes into the night, setting off one of the most infamous missing persons cases in Irish history.If ...you have any information about the disappearance of Trevor Deely on December 8th, 2000, please contact the Garda at 01-666-9000. Crimestoppers is offering a reward of 100,000€ to anyone with information that significantly assists the investigation.CCTV Foorage of Missing Person Trevor Deely Source materials for this episode cannot be listed here due to character limitations. For a full list of sources, please visit: crimejunkiepodcast.com/missing-trevor-deely Did you know you can listen to this episode ad-free? Join the Fan Club! Visit crimejunkie.app/library/ to view the current membership options and policies. Use promo code FREESUMMER to get access to all Fan Club exclusive episodes for FREE through July and August. Don’t miss out on all things Crime Junkie!Instagram: @crimejunkiepodcast | @audiochuckTwitter: @CrimeJunkiePod | @audiochuckTikTok: @crimejunkiepodcastFacebook: /CrimeJunkiePodcast | /audiochuckllc Crime Junkie is hosted by Ashley Flowers and Brit Prawat. Instagram: @ashleyflowers | @britprawatTwitter: @Ash_Flowers | @britprawatTikTok: @ashleyflowerscrimejunkieFacebook: /AshleyFlowers.AF Text Ashley at 317-733-7485 to talk all things true crime, get behind the scenes updates, and more!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, Crime Junkies. Britt here. And before we jump into today's episode, I wanted to make sure you guys heard the news. This summer, we're celebrating the fifth year anniversary of the Crime Junkie app, so of course, we're doing something pretty big. As a reminder, our Crime Junkie app is the home for our fan club members, where they get all the same episodes as you do ad-free, and in addition, we release monthly bonus content to all of our members. So, in celebration of our anniversary, we're unlocking the vault through July and August and releasing to you all an exclusive episode from the fan club. And the best part is, we've already started.
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Starting point is 00:00:54 So we hope to see you there, but first, of course, here is your regularly scheduled Monday episode. Hi, crime junkies, I'm Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And the story I have for you today might be new to a lot of you, but I know it's one that our Irish Crime Junkies would probably recognize from a mile away, because it is one of the most notorious and mysterious missing person cases in Irish history. This is the story of Trevor Dealey. The evening of Thursday, December 7, 2000, is a dreadful one in Dublin, Ireland.
Starting point is 00:02:03 It's chilly and windy and it is raining so hard that flood alerts are issued for the city's waterways. It's the kind of weather that makes you wanna cancel all your plans and curl up under a warm blanket. Take a rain check, literally. But for the employees of Bank of Ireland Asset Management, that's not really an option. Tonight is the office holiday dinner
Starting point is 00:02:24 and not showing up would be a bad look. And besides, they've been looking forward to it, so there's this group that decides to make the most of the night, weather be damned, and they meet up at a bar before dinner for a pint or two. Drinks are at a downtown Dublin bar called Copperface Jacks, a short 10-minute walk from the Hilton Hotel, where the company party is. And as much as I am sure they would all love to avoid the terrible weather and catch a cab, that's not going to happen. The taxi drivers of Dublin are on strike right now. But weather aside, everyone is having a great time.
Starting point is 00:02:55 They're having drinks, they go to the company dinner, the party keeps going long after the dinner ends. And at least some of them hang around the hotel until like 2.15 in the morning. And even then, some of what I can only imagine are the more youthful, among them, aren't ready to call it a night. So they head to a club called Buck Whaley's for more drinks. This is a Thursday night. Do they not have to work in the morning?
Starting point is 00:03:18 No, they definitely do. But if I'm right about the group being on the younger side, sleep is like, it's optional at that age. And hangovers hit very different. The older I on the younger side sleep is like it's optional at that age and hangovers hit very different The older I get the more it seems like it's like a superpower or something like the way 20 somethings can just jump back I know I used to be able to do it at one point. I don't remember you guys gotta use your powers for good Nothing positive ever comes from hitting up that one last bar Yeah, youth is wasted on the young, you guys. Nothing good happens after midnight.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Just go home, go to bed. Very, very true. But anyways, so 330 approaches, and even the stragglers decide to call it a night, although decide, you know, might not be the right word. I think it's probably last call by that point. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. You are aging.
Starting point is 00:04:01 As half of our crime junkies don't know that that's a song from like the best generation, the 90s. Anyways, whatever the reason, they all say their goodbyes. They go their separate ways, hope to catch maybe a few hours of sleep before they have to work, literally in a couple of hours. So fast forward those few short hours,
Starting point is 00:04:17 when everyone rolls back into work, the IT team notices that they have a no show. 22 year old Trevor Deeley. But you just heard about the night before, no one's especially concerned. The IT team notices that they have a no-show. 22-year-old Trevor Dealy. But you just heard about the night before, no one's especially concerned. They're not even mad. Even his supervisor, Dara Tracy,
Starting point is 00:04:33 is ready to give him a pass. I mean, he wasn't even like the only no-show in the office that day, and it's safe to assume that even the people that made it to work are probably like riding the struggle bus. So Dara's like, listen, I'll have a chat with Trevor about it on Monday, but he's good, he's a reliable employee.
Starting point is 00:04:48 It's not like this is a pattern for him. So the thought is, let's cut this kid a break, we'll start fresh on Monday. But that's the thing. When Monday morning rolls around, Trevor's a no-show again, and now they're worried. Especially when Dara asks around and realizes that no one spoke to him all weekend.
Starting point is 00:05:08 The most concerning part is that a few of them had tried to reach him, but he didn't answer or return their calls. So as word about Trevor makes its way around the office, a colleague from the IT department named Carl Pender says that he actually saw Trevor that Thursday night, or technically Friday morning, after everyone left the last bar.
Starting point is 00:05:29 You see, Carl hadn't participated in the holiday festivities because the IT department always kept at least one person working the overnight shift. And that night, the lucky one was Carl. According to reporting by Rosita Boland for the Irish Times, Carl was a little surprised when Trevor showed up at the office at around 3.30 a.m., like soaking wet. And sure, Karl could tell that Trevor had enjoyed
Starting point is 00:05:51 the evening, but he didn't seem super drunk or anything. According to what Boland told Irish Times, quote, I wouldn't consider him as drunk. I'd probably say I'd seen him worse on other nights, end quote. Karl says that when he got there, Trevor jumped on his computer, probably to like check his email,
Starting point is 00:06:08 although Carl couldn't say that for sure. And then the two hung out for a little bit over some coffee and tea, but Carl had to get back to work. So Trevor grabbed an umbrella and he was on his way by about 4 a.m. And Carl says when he left, everything seemed totally fine.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Trevor was his normal, cheerful self. Which, like all this is good to know, but at this point, it's not making Trevor's boss feel much better. So he sounds the alarm to HR, and between 10 and 10.30 that morning, they make a call to Trevor's mom, Ann, and tell her the words that every parent
Starting point is 00:06:42 prays they never hear. Her 22-year-old son, the youngest of four Deeley siblings, is missing. Anne calls her husband Michael and tells him to drop whatever he's doing right now to go see what he can figure out at Trevor's apartment. They're doing their best not to panic yet, but when Michael rings Trevor's doorbell
Starting point is 00:07:03 and there's no response, all attempts to remain calm are out the window. Michael doesn't have a key, so he can't let himself in. And he's quoted in the Irish Times saying, my head began to buzz eventually. When it started to dawn on me, could he be missing? I was getting more and more concerned thinking, is this going to be our situation? Is Trevor a missing person now? Even before Michael calls Anne back
Starting point is 00:07:32 to tell her what he's finding in Dublin, Anne is already well on her way to panicking for her own reasons. She's been calling Trevor's friends, but call by call, none of them have talked to him in days. Same goes for his older sister, Michelle, who none of them have talked to him in days. Same goes for his older sister Michelle, who says she actually tried to reach him all weekend. She'd called multiple times and never got an answer or a call back, which was no big
Starting point is 00:07:54 deal at the time, like whose calls can you ignore if not your siblings? But in this new light, it hits completely different. Of course that was too many calls, he would have answered. What if I had been more worried? What if I told mom and dad? What if, what if, what if? Was his phone ringing through when Michelle called or was it going straight to voicemail?
Starting point is 00:08:12 So this is what's weird. So we know his phone dies at some point, but the reporting is super inconsistent on when exactly that happens. It's reported as being anywhere from the same morning that he went missing to ten full days later. Now, Michelle says that she thinks the phone rang all weekend, but she can't be sure.
Starting point is 00:08:32 And I think she's probably right, because the coworkers who try and get a hold of him Monday morning don't say anything about his phone being dead or going straight to voicemail, or at least that part hasn't been reported, like, from his coworkers. So at this point, everyone who knows Trevor is learning about his disappearance,
Starting point is 00:08:50 and they're all coming to help look for him. His older brother Mark lives on the opposite coast, in Casabar, with his wife, who's three months pregnant with their first child. When Ann reaches out to him that morning, he cancels his whole workday and starts driving, never imagining that it'll be months before he returns home. Trevor's childhood friends were also eager to do anything to help.
Starting point is 00:09:12 And actually, one of them, a close friend named Glenn, has a little more to offer the dealies around Trevor's timeline that morning he went missing. You see, he woke up on Friday morning to a voicemail from Trevor, which had been left at around 4.05 a.m., so like right after Trevor would have left his office. Glenn says that he had been out on the town Thursday night with another friend of theirs, and he and Trevor were kind of playing phone tag all night, never fully touching base. And when Glenn got home, he went to bed, and he did something that would come to haunt him. Instead of keeping his phone next to him on the nightstand while he slept, ringer on, he left it charging in the kitchen.
Starting point is 00:09:52 And whatever happened to Trevor had to have happened after 4.05 when he left that voicemail, because Glenn said the voicemail he got was so completely normal, just like a sorry I missed you kind of message. And it was so normal that Glenn deleted it as soon as he heard it, having no idea at that point that anything was wrong. And then there is just nothing after that. They can't find anyone who saw or spoke to Trevor
Starting point is 00:10:16 after he left the office, after he left that voicemail. Trevor's brother, Mark, tries to retrace Trevor's steps, literally. I mean, he decides to walk the routes that Trevor might have taken that night, starting at Copperface Jacks. Finding a whole lot of nothing there, he sets off in the direction of Trevor's apartment. He tells Rosita Boland that he's checking side streets and alleys, even dumpsters and trash cans.
Starting point is 00:10:42 And he said, like, there's this weird moment where, like, it didn't occur to him till way later that it was probably a body he was looking for that day. But he wasn't going to find anything. That's what a security guard posted out front of the American Embassy tells him as he's searching high and low. This guy must have noticed how hard Mark was looking for something, not realizing he was looking for a someone.
Starting point is 00:11:04 But the guard tells him that he's wasting his time. Anything findable has already been found. How does he know that if he doesn't even know what Mark's looking for? Well, listen, I know the timing of this is a little wild because of what is currently happening on our side of the pond, but Dublin at the time is about to be graced with a visit from President Bill Clinton. So the assumption is, is that if there was anything to be found between local police
Starting point is 00:11:28 and the president's secret service, that they would have been good enough to find it. So wherever Trevor is, in whatever condition, it's likely not in downtown Dublin. Hour by hour, the day passes without any sign of Trevor. And as evening approaches, the Dealees are forced to confront the awful reality. This probably isn't just some terrible misunderstanding that they'll all be able to laugh about later. So that's when his dad Michael goes to the Garda station in their town of Naist to report
Starting point is 00:11:58 his son missing. The Garda, by the way, are the Garda Siocana, they're Ireland's national police force. Now it's not clear what the Garda does that evening, but the next morning, the morning of December 12th, they are out in force. They've even got their Sub Aqua team, which is what they call their dive team there, searching the city's waterways.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Why the water? I don't think there's a specific reason related to Trevor, but I mean, it wouldn't be the first time something like that had happened there. The Sunday Independent reports that just about a month earlier, there was a young man's body that was found in the water two days after he disappeared during a night out. And I mean, unfortunately, we know that this is something that happens
Starting point is 00:12:38 more often than you would expect or more often than people who aren't crime junkies might expect. Right. I was going to say, it happens often enough here that some people even attribute it to a potential serial killer, the smiley face killer. Right. Where young men are just, they go out, they show up in a waterway. It turns out the UK has its own version of the smiley face killer, who people call the pusher. So even though there's nothing, at least that they've said that specifically points them to the water, it's just like, we should probably check because we've seen this before.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Right. Now, from what I can tell, there are three main bodies of water in and around Dublin that investigators think deserve special attention. The River Daughter, the Grand Canal, and the Grand Canal Basin. And while the River Daughter and the Grand Canal are easy searches,
Starting point is 00:13:20 the Grand Canal Basin is a whole nother story. In the same reporting I mentioned earlier by Rosita Bolin, Detective Sergeant Michael Fitzgerald says, they can look at the Grand Canal Basin, but they can never drain it because the buildings around it would fall in. What? They did have a look at it anyway,
Starting point is 00:13:38 as far as you can look at it, but you'd like to be able to drain it. God only knows what's down there. End quote. Now, none of this is to say that they're exclusively focusing on the water though. Clinton's Secret Service aside, they still canvas the area. They still go house to house taking statements,
Starting point is 00:13:55 looking for witnesses. But just based on how common that outcome seems to be, the possibility that Trevor somehow went into the water and drowned could be legit at this point. Are these waterways like especially easy to fall into or something? Well, this is where investigators start to lose me because there's only one place that it seems possible.
Starting point is 00:14:16 And the theory is that the wind had somehow lifted Trevor up by his umbrella and carried him over the bridge's barriers, which aren't particularly low, by the way. And listen, I get it, like the weather was wild that night. I mean, Rosita Boland said that the forecast said there was gonna be super high winds in the area after midnight. Okay, but they're saying that he got
Starting point is 00:14:39 Mary Poppins into the water? Yeah, and it's not even just like a few inches off the ground that he would need to go. As the Sunday Independent reports, quote, the footpath is so wide and the parapet is so high, it would be most unlikely that a young man of Trevor's stature would be lifted up and thrown over. End quote.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Right, so like I'm thinking the wind, the umbrella, like being blown over into a ditch seems possible. Also like, I don't know what this steel umbrella is, but like if the wind is, like my umbrella is just like folding on themselves. Am I making that up? Yeah. And like, it feels so, I can't think of another word other than like cartoonish. I know. To imagine this wind like blowing up the umbrella
Starting point is 00:15:26 that like you said doesn't get destroyed by wind, lifts up a human man across the street and over like a parapet, which sounds like a freaking bridge across the castle. A guardrail, I don't know. Yeah, I like it makes no sense to me, but I feel like I have to be missing something the way that they put this forward, like it makes no sense to me But I feel like I have to be missing something the way that they put this forward like it's plausible
Starting point is 00:15:47 so okay, this is where they lost me and Not for nothing, but the fact that his phone was possibly still ringing days later To me that puts a giant wrench into the Mary Poppins theory because yeah I wouldn't have stopped ringing if it was in the water. I had a cell phone, maybe not in 2000, but like early 2000s, the early aughts, if you will. Like those things would die at the thought of water. You know what I mean? If you like cried too hard, they stopped working. That's a little dramatic, but yes,
Starting point is 00:16:17 I have cried too hard in my phone and it was fine. So are they even considering anything more nefarious than an accident? Like, what do they know at this point about Trevor's life? Like, what was he into? Who was he involved with? Anything there? Well, they're turning to the family to get all of that.
Starting point is 00:16:34 And there is something that stands out as kind of like an outlier in his life, something out of the normal from his usual routine. That's always the stuff that you look at, right? Mm-hmm. Well, apparently, Trevor went on this international trip that he had just gotten back from a few days before he disappeared. And this was a trip that he booked on an impulse and went on completely alone to a destination where he wasn't exactly welcome.
Starting point is 00:17:03 So at the time this is happening, Glenn, that friend of Trevor's who got the voicemail that night, they're pretty close. And Glenn is a flight attendant, meaning that he could get flights on the cheap, including for a few designated family members and friends. And Trevor was one of them. So when they were out one night, like random night, they were talking about this girl that Trevor had a crush on. And Glenn was like, I bet you're too chicken
Starting point is 00:17:25 to go see her in Anchorage, Alaska. And I guess Trevor is basically like challenge accepted. Right, like you're gonna help me pay for it with your sweet discount. Yeah, I'll do it. Right, so Trevor met this girl over the summer when she was visiting Ireland. They hit it off, or at least Trevor thought
Starting point is 00:17:41 that they hit it off and they exchanged contact info. And then that was that, she left whatever. But when her name came up, and one boy dared another, Trevor booked a round-trip flight to Alaska at the end of November. Carpe diem and all that jazz. The problem is that it's not totally clear that the girl was on board for this. In fact, it kinda seems like she wasn't. According to his dad Michael, when Trevor mentioned the idea to her in an email, she mostly had brushed him off. She's like, you know, I'm really busy studying for finals. Like, he shouldn't come.
Starting point is 00:18:14 And for all I know, all of that could have been true, or it could have been her way of letting him down gently. But whatever it was, like, he didn't take the hint, and he booked this trip anyway. Now, what exactly happened when he got there is a little bit of a mystery. There's not a ton of reporting around it. But investigators kind of put forward this idea that maybe he got there, and then he pissed off a boyfriend or an ex-boyfriend or something. And that person followed him back to Ireland?
Starting point is 00:18:38 Like, why wouldn't they have just done something when he was there in Alaska? I mean, yeah, that makes the most sense. I think that investigators are just desperate for any kind of lead at this point. I mean, they're so desperate that I know two investigators, like, straight up fly out to Alaska to look into this. And they're in good company because Trevor's sister goes out there too at some point, although I don't know the timing of that trip. Either way, investigators interview the girl and then someone she had traveled with and
Starting point is 00:19:03 determine that whatever may have happened to Trevor, it probably had nothing to do with him coming to Alaska or with this girl or anything related to that. So now it's back to the drawing board and back to Ireland. In the weeks following his disappearance, Trevor's friends and family just blanket Dublin with posters and flyers of Trevor. They also conduct their own unofficial canvas visiting all of the establishments that he might have passed in the hope that someone, anyone knows something. And this is wild to me, but it's actually one of these friends doing this who uncovers some of the most consequential evidence in this entire case. And that friend is a guy named Conleth, who works for a company that sells CCTV equipment.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And I don't think I have to explain that. I think people are pretty familiar with CCTV now. Yeah, closed circuit television. We're just talking about security cameras. Right, you got it. Like again, 2024, we all know, but CCTV in Ireland in 2000, from what I'm gathering, this is kind of a novel concept at the time.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Definitely not something everyone is aware of or even understands, which is maybe why it falls to Conleth to go looking for it and not the police. And he has to hurry because he knows enough about it to know that companies that use CCTV don't hang on to the footage forever, at least not at the turn of the millennium.
Starting point is 00:20:26 He explains to Rosita Bolin that the footage is stored on VHS and it isn't kept long. Some places delete it as quickly as 24 hours. Right, which we know now, but like again, novelty then. Right, and they still delete after 24 hours now. Some of them have a cloud, but like even though we have like almost the possibility for unlimited storage, like I feel like this stuff is still gone almost immediately way too soon at least yeah Now if all of the places they visit only one place has footage of Trevor from that night And that's the Bank of Ireland at Bagot Street Bridge Which might be a little confusing since Trevor works for Bank of Ireland asset management, but they're not the same thing since Trevor works for Bank of Ireland Asset Management, but they're not the same thing.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Best I can tell is Bank of Ireland at Bagot Street Bridge is like an actual bank branch, while where he worked, Bank of Ireland Asset Management, or BIAm, is kind of the arm of the bank that manages investments. Anyways, the wild part is just how close the footage came to being deleted by the time Conleth got there. So close that when he talked to the bank manager,
Starting point is 00:21:28 the bank manager tells him he's lucky he asked when he did because they keep theirs for more than 24 hours. They keep it for 28 days, but day 28 was right around the corner. Now here's the catch. She says she can't release the footage to him directly, but she is able to hold onto it for the Garda. And thank freaking God they do.
Starting point is 00:21:50 Because according to Bowen's reporting, this is some of the only footage of Trevor that is ever recovered. And they're lucky because it actually shows something interesting. So is this the only CCTV footage they can find? So, no. So, this is a little confusing too in the reporting. But according to Anne O'Loughlin with The Evening Herald,
Starting point is 00:22:12 they do have some other footage from BIAM, the building, the bank where he works. Mm-hmm. And maybe I'm reading too much into it. Like, I hope I'm reading too much into it, but it almost makes me wonder if Conleth gives them the idea to ask the bank at all. I don't know if they already had that and then they just didn't think to go ask anyone else and he had to bring up that idea. So
Starting point is 00:22:32 like, I don't know. I'm a little confused about like- The timing of it feels a little bit side eye, but regardless, we have it. Right. And so basically we have two things and this is the only footage ever. We have this footage from the BIAN. There's two cameras that we get footage from, and then we have the footage that Conleth helps get from that other bank branch. And what it shows is talked about endlessly on the internet,
Starting point is 00:22:56 and I want, you guys should go watch it for yourselves, but I wanna do my best to break it down because this is the biggest clue we have in Trevor's disappearance. We're gonna link to it, it's on YouTube, but Britt I kind of want to do a play-by-play of this if we can. Sure. Okay, so this first part of the video is from a sort of like elevated view. We're looking down at like a little courtyard with a fence around it.
Starting point is 00:23:19 And I think this fenced area is like the main focus for the camera. We can see like the fence is wrought iron with these big like columns is what I would call them at like the post points, not just like a regular metal fence all the way around. There's like these huge columns. There's some sidewalk out front, a little bit of the street. Now a guy in dark clothes and a hat just like walked into frame from across the street. Time stamp is like 3.05 a.m. He's walking up onto the street. Time stamp is like 3 0 5 a.m. He's walking up onto the sidewalk
Starting point is 00:23:45 and then it looks like he kind of like backs into a corner of this area in front of the building. I mean, the weather's terrible like you said, right? So it looks like he maybe he's like getting tucked in there to protect himself from like the elements or something. Yeah and he's by the columns you're talking about and you called him like really big columns but I mean they're more to me decorative than anything. If it's raining and as windy as everyone has reported, it's not something that's going to provide you a ton of shelter, right? Right, like maybe some like brace from the wind. And it looks like he's like checking
Starting point is 00:24:15 his phone. Okay, and then based on the timestamps, it's like he's in this corner for a while because it skips forward like 28 minutes. Okay, and he's stepping out now, kind of like officially in like the sidewalk space. It almost looks like he's like looking for someone or waiting on someone, checking maybe his watch or phone again. Now I see this other guy walking by the sidewalk, like totally normal pace. So that's Trevor. So the guy in the dark clothes, you're right, he like steps out into the sidewalk. He's looking down in the direction that this other guy comes. And we know that that's Trevor.
Starting point is 00:24:50 Okay. And like Trevor's just walking down the street, totally normal, on his way to whatever's next. No real like evident acknowledgement or interaction with the guy in dark clothes. Right. He's just standing there. Okay. And now that dark clothes guy just like walked away in the same direction as Trevor, who like just passed him. If you like go second by second, it's weird cause like he literally like, after Trevor walks by, he waits a beat,
Starting point is 00:25:14 and then it's like his head turns around. And so he could just be looking, but it's all, I know. But it's almost like, oh, was that the person I was waiting for? Waiting for, did that person call him or something? Cause he turns around and he like looks for a second, and then he turns fully his whole body around and he follows in that direction.
Starting point is 00:25:30 And that's when we lose both of them out of frame of camera one. Right. And now we cut to view two, which based on the timestamps is just seconds later. And this is through that fence and between some of those like columnish posts It kind of feels like it's like just around the corner from our last point of view same fence But this is shot from like directly inside the gate instead of above it. It's a different gate So okay, so the direction that Trevor was walking camera to picks up from behind a gate where he was walking and what's really interesting is I pulled up
Starting point is 00:26:08 And I'll link out to this I pulled up a picture on Google Maps It's literally just around this little corner like almost as soon as he walked out of frame of camera one He would have rounded the corner to camera two. Okay, that's kind of how it felt because one because of the timestamps It's again like seconds later, but it does feel like a different area for some reason. Obviously like the point of view is different, but it feels like, yeah, he just popped around the corner and now he's at this gate. Okay, but did you catch what was so weird about that?
Starting point is 00:26:35 So yes, it's a few seconds later, but it's like it picks up at the same time, but then you wait, wait, wait, and then motion lights come on. And then the guy in black comes into view first. I cannot make that make sense. He would have been behind Trevor based on, like, them going down those sidewalks seconds early.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Yes, like two seconds behind him. It, like, so, and because there's this delay of when, I mean, you would expect to see Trevor almost immediately, and I think about him of when, I mean, you would expect to see Trevor almost immediately. And I think about him like looking back, it almost feels like the two of them had to have like connected outside of the view of the camera and then the man comes walking first.
Starting point is 00:27:16 And then I'll let you pick up, Trevor's like right behind him. Yeah, and they walk up to the fence, it's like a gate section. You can kind of see like a looped lock on it. Trevor's going right up to the lock, kind of talking to the fence, it's like a gate section, you can kind of see like a looped lock on it. Trevor's going right up to the lock, kind of talking to the guy as he's like fiddling with unlocking the gate. Then only Trevor walks through the gate, shuts it behind him and kind of walks towards the
Starting point is 00:27:36 camera and out of frame. And then we get a different point of view. Yeah, so we don't get, it picks up later with Trevor leaving. So we see him, you know, this is after he goes in with his coworker, he checks his email, they have coffee and tea, he gets his umbrella. We end up seeing him leave. Half an hour passes. Yeah, but when the camera picks up
Starting point is 00:27:55 and he's leaving with his umbrella, our guy in black is gone. And as far as I can tell, they have never released any footage showing him leaving. But when Trevor leaves, he doesn't interact with it. He looks like he's booking it and he's on his own. SHANNON COFFEY Right, I was gonna say, when he comes to the gate, the guy in the dark clothes is kind of off to the side,
Starting point is 00:28:12 kind of behind a pillar or column or post or whatever. And in theory, he could be still back there. He could be back there and walked off out of frame, away the other direction, not through the camera's viewpoint. But it is weird that it cuts forward and we never see him leave. And like you said, Trevor doesn't interact with anybody in that corner when he goes to leave. So you have to assume he's not there.
Starting point is 00:28:35 The guy in the dark clothes is gone. And then the last viewpoint is from above looking at a sidewalk below. And this would be the bank branch camera. Yeah. And this isn be the bank branch camera. Yeah, and this isn't just around the corner. This is a little ways away from what I understand. And again- It's about 10 minutes later in the time stamp.
Starting point is 00:28:52 So I would assume it's a bit of a walk. Yep. And we see him under the umbrella, walking down the street, pretty normal. Doesn't seem like hurried outside of the fact that it's raining on him. And then, oh, dark clothes guy is back, coming down the sidewalk behind Trevor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:13 And then that's it. Like, end of footage. That's it. So after seeing this, what investigators are naturally wondering is, is it the same guy in both videos? They think at this point that the answer is yes. And I am going to call out that in the early days, this is a lot harder to view because it wasn't until 2017 that the guard sent the footage off to the UK to
Starting point is 00:29:38 be enhanced. And from what I can tell in the reporting, the footage from the very first camera might not have looked like much prior to 2017. Like it took a lot of enhancing. But based on camera two and camera three, they're thinking that they've got the same guy in black. And so investigators go public with the footage in January of 2001, the footage that they had unenhanced back then.
Starting point is 00:30:01 And they do this on an Irish show called Crime Line, where they make this plea for this guy to identify himself And they don't know this yet But this will be the first of many such requests because he doesn't come forward to ID himself and no one else IDs him either Which isn't to say that the decision to go on TV wasn't productive as many as 80 separate tips are called in because of the show, but none that get them any closer to finding Trevor or IDing that man. When a seriously decomposed body washes up on shore near a city called Togger in February,
Starting point is 00:30:37 it's almost as though the entire country holds its breath, especially once the body is determined to belong to someone between the ages of 25 and 30. Not exactly Trevor's demographic, but close enough. And how close is it to Dublin? Not. I mean, it's a solid three-hour drive south, but it is on the same coast. And it seems like the guard believes that it would have been possible for a body that entered the water in Dublin to make its way to that area.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Neil Leslie reports in the Sunday World, quote, "'Detectives believe that the young computer worker's body could have been washed out into the Irish Sea if it did end up in the canal,' end quote. But given the advanced state of decomposition, they're gonna have to submit some DNA testing to confirm who this is.'" And here's the thing,
Starting point is 00:31:23 I don't know if the remains are ever identified, but I do know that they confirm they aren't Trevor's. So the investigation chugs along. And by July of 2001, investigators are considering four main theories. The Evening Herald reports that they are accidental drowning, a violent assault, suicide, and a voluntary disappearance. Now the last two are essentially dismissed.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Nothing in the source material suggests a history of mental health struggles or any reason that Trevor might have wanted to start over somewhere else. Rather, everything reports the opposite. Trevor's this happy dude with a positive attitude, lots of friends and family who adore him, a promising
Starting point is 00:32:05 future. Now, as far as foul play, it seems unlikely to investigators that they wouldn't have heard anything about that, if that's what happened. So they- So we're really doubling down on him being Mary Poppins into the canal? Pretty much. Joanne Hegarty writes in the Evening Herald, quote, some officers believe the 22-year-old computer analyst
Starting point is 00:32:29 who was carrying a large umbrella when he disappeared by the early hours of December 8 last was blown into the river by a gust of wind, end quote. But only some officers believe this. Yes, some. Because when five more years go by and there is still no single sign of Trevor washing up in any water or any sign of his umbrella, by the way,
Starting point is 00:32:52 or his phone or his other possessions, they pretty much rule out the drowning theory. But ruling that out doesn't tell them what did happen. And the years keep passing one by one and little progress is made in that time. Investigators released an aged, enhanced picture of Trevor in 2010, but still no word. Which like an aged, enhanced image is great, but it's only going to help if he's alive, which feels kind of unlikely to me. It does, though the dealies are clinging on to hope,
Starting point is 00:33:25 even questioning whether he could be suffering from amnesia somewhere, which, again, feels unlikely. But they're just not ready to give up on Trevor, not when so much of his disappearance remains a mystery. Around September of 2016, the case receives a boost when it is handed over to the Guarda's Serious Crime Review team for a cold case review. Brett, I'm going to have you read a quote from Michael in reporting by Nick Bramhill for the Irish Independent.
Starting point is 00:33:56 It's a little long, fair warning. Okay, the quote is, I'm delighted that Trevor's case is being looked into again. There's a team of five or six Gardai that have been appointed to reinvestigate Trevor's case, and I met with them a couple of weeks ago. There's no body or no scene for them to go on, so they're prioritizing the CCTV footage of him, which has been taken to the UK, where they have more advanced methods of examining it
Starting point is 00:34:18 than we do here in Ireland. I'm very pleased that there will be some fresh eyes looking into this, and it has certainly given me and my family a big boost. I don't want to raise my hopes too much at this stage, but at the same time, I feel far more hopeful than I have in years." There is a part later in that same piece where he says, quote, "...it's still our belief that Trevor is alive, and I'll carry on believing that until
Starting point is 00:34:42 it is proved otherwise." Now, this whole process is a little bit of a hurry-up-and-wait kind of thing with this and I'll carry on believing that until it is proved otherwise. Now, this whole process is a little bit of a hurry-up-and-wait kind of thing with this cold case review. But in spring of 2017, Kieran Darcy and Connor Lally report in the Irish Times that the UK team has made incredible progress enhancing the CCTV footage, calling it a quote-unquote significant development. And again, that's the footage that we got to see just now. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:06 And when they do enhance it, they don't keep it under wraps. In April, they release it for the public to see. And they do this very intentionally. Their hope is that someone who knows someone might see the footage and be overcome with guilt. Not necessarily even the perp, even just a witness with critical information. Someone who recognizes the way someone walks, whatever. Darcy and Lally quote an anonymous
Starting point is 00:35:29 investigator in that Irish Times piece who says, quote, that's a long shot, but a lot of time has passed since then and people's circumstances and loyalties change. Somebody who may have known something then but was protecting a loved one or was in fear may not now be in that position." And then in reporting by Michelle Hennessey for the Journal, one of the detectives working the case, Detective Superintendent O'Boyle says, quote, The actions of this individual, I suppose, would have to be regarded as being suspicious. By the way, he's talking about the man in the dark clothing.
Starting point is 00:36:05 The quote goes on, he's standing outside of the bank center for approximately a half an hour before Trevor Dealey arrives, end quote. And I think that's an important thing, like you mentioned, but we didn't really hone in on, like it is windy, it is cold, it is raining. He is standing there presumably for a half hour.
Starting point is 00:36:22 Our footage skips forward, but he's in the same position. They haven't said if he moves or does anything in that time. It seems very intentional that he only moves when Trevor walks by and he follows Trevor. Right. So yet again, they request for this man to come forward and identify himself, which he doesn't.
Starting point is 00:36:42 But John Mooney reports in the Sunday Times that investigators receive quote-unquote credible intelligence indicating that Trevor may have been the victim of a robbery and an assault, eventually being shoved into a body of water. So we've ruled out drowning but are back at him being in the water? Yeah, it's enough to give you whiplash, but at least this one kind of makes sense to me. Yeah. Though you would think they would have potentially found him.
Starting point is 00:37:08 But by the summer of 2017, the foul play theory has evolved more, because that's when a confidential informant says that he knows exactly where Trevor's body is buried. According to the CI, it's on a three acre plot of wasteland in Chapelizad, and the killer might be a career criminal known to the Guarda for his drug smuggling connections. So this makes investigators wonder if Trevor was killed in some sort of drug deal that went bad,
Starting point is 00:37:37 but then they also consider that maybe it was just like a chance meeting, or maybe he saw something, or who, I mean, they don't know at this point, but either way, this is the best, they don't know at this point, but either way This is the best lead they've had in a long time And so they begin an exhaustive search of that property in Chapel is it when they locate a buried firearm? It seems like it all might be coming together, especially considering that their CI had claimed Trevor was killed with a gun But obviously without Trevor, we don't know if it is this gun. Now in August, Ken Foy and Robin Schiller report in the Irish Independent that they've
Starting point is 00:38:12 received intel suggesting that Trevor's killer was a member of a well-known crime family from a place called Crumlin, which is a suburb of Dublin. — This is a development in the theory they're already pursuing in Chaplizid, or is this an entirely new theory? Um, I think it's the same theory. It's not super clear, because it's all again based on tips from this anonymous CI. So I can't tell if it's the same CI or if this is like a new informant. I feel like it's gotta be the same one, right? I would think, but I've been wrong before, so I don't know. Either way, another dive team is brought in
Starting point is 00:38:49 in late August, early September, this time to search the River Liffey, which runs through the Chapelizid property. But on September 21st, Sean Dunn reports in the Irish Times that the search has ended with no further clues about Trevor's fate. So whether the CI was lying or was wrong, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:10 But it is worth noting that the CI said that he wanted no part of the $100,000 reward that was being offered in Trevor's case. So why else come forward? Right. Investigators did make one final discovery before the search in Chapel Isid was abandoned. It was a drug stash worth more than 80,000 euro, which would have equaled a little over $95,000 at the time. And then there's one more big development
Starting point is 00:39:36 that I wanna end on. In just December of 2023, one of the central mysteries of this case, or at least half of it, gets solved. So the man seeing following Trevor on the CCTV footage from camera three, that other bank, not the one that Trevor worked at, that man is found and cleared of any involvement
Starting point is 00:40:01 in Trevor's disappearance. It turns out, apparently investigators had interviewed this guy before, like way in the early days of the investigation. So he could have been ID'd and ruled out in a matter of no time. It reminds me a lot of like the Delphi where they like, they had talked to this person, he was there all along.
Starting point is 00:40:18 I mean, granted in this case, this guy's not even considered a suspect. He was just someone like hustling out of the rain and wearing dark clothing, you clothing, it's pretty common. It's like if two more dots were connected, we wouldn't have this question mark, right? We wouldn't have this question mark for two decades longer than we needed to essentially.
Starting point is 00:40:37 Yeah, and we wouldn't wonder if it was the same guy following him, but there are still questions that remain. I don't know that it answers all the questions or takes them all away because they're very clear to say that he is not the guy from the BIA footage from camera one and two. So we're not totally out of shadowy figures in this case.
Starting point is 00:40:58 And that guy has never come forward. And I'm most interested in that guy, the one that sat out there waiting for 30 minutes, the one that followed Trevor, potentially had some interaction with him before they're seen on camera two, and then definitely was talking to him on camera two. Who is that guy? Where is that guy? And why is he not coming forward? Because that's where things stand today. Trevor's disappearance is as much of a mystery today as it was at the beginning of the new millennium. So please, if you have any information about the disappearance of Trevor Deeley the morning of December 8, 2000, contact the authorities. I'm especially talking to you, Irish crime junkies.
Starting point is 00:41:40 You can reach the Garda 016669000. Crime Stoppers continues to offer a reward of 100,000 euro to anyone with information that significantly assists in this investigation. But the real reward is the piece you can bring to the Dealey family. And that is priceless. You can find all the source material for this episode on our website, crimejunkiepodcast.com. And you can follow us on Instagram at crimejunkiepodcast. I'll see you next week for a brand new episode.
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