Crime Junkie - MURDERED: Christie Mullins

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

When 14-year-old Christie Mullins is found murdered, police are quick to charge a young man who fits the description of the killer to a tee. However, as the case unfolds, Christie’s father – and the public – realize that the case is not as open and shut as it seems. You can read John Oller’s An All-American Murder for free here! Did you know you can listen to this episode ad-free? Join the Fan Club! Visit https://crimejunkie.app/library/ to view the current membership options and policies.Source materials for this episode cannot be listed here due to character limitations. For a full list of sources, please visit: https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/murdered-christie-mullins Don’t miss out on all things Crime Junkie!Instagram: @crimejunkiepodcast | @audiochuckTwitter: @CrimeJunkiePod | @audiochuckTikTok: @crimejunkiepodcastFacebook: /CrimeJunkiePodcast | /audiochuckllcCrime Junkie is hosted by Ashley Flowers and Brit Prawat. Instagram: @ashleyflowers | @britprawatTwitter: @Ash_Flowers | @britprawatTikTok: @ashleyflowerscrimejunkieFacebook: /AshleyFlowers.AF Text Ashley at [phone] to talk all things true crime, get behind the scenes updates, random photos of Chuck, and more! 

Hi, Crime Junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers, and I'm Brit. And the story I have for you today is one that has left me so frustrated on so many levels and for so many people. It's another prime example of how the ripple effect of a murder can engulf the lives of everyone around it and cause irreparable damage. This is the story of Christy Mullins. Glutenville, Ohio is one of those quintessential suburbs that seems perfect for raising a family. It's an everybody, knows everybody type of place, and back in the 70s, that feeling of neighbors looking out for neighbors is apparent. But at about 2.30 in the afternoon, on Saturday, August 23rd, 1975, that veneer of safety is shattered

when police get a call from a man who wants to report that he's found a body in a wooded area behind a local shopping center. When investigators get there, they meet the caller, 25-year-old Henry Nule, and Henry is able to lead them about three quarters of a mile into the woods, and back there, laying in the brush is the brutally beaten body of a girl. And Brett, when I say brutal, I mean, this girl is unrecognizable because there is just so much damage to her face. Her hands have been tied in front of her with a plastic coated wire, her top has been pulled down around her waist, and they notice that she is barefoot. Now even though they don't or can't recognize her, they can tell that she's young,

likely in her teens. So they're hopeful that Idean-her isn't going to take long, like someone has to be looking for this girl. So, as some officers and texts begin processing the scene, other investigators speak to Henry to find out what he was doing back there in the first place. And he says that he and his wife Pam and his stepson had decided to go to the shopping center that day for a few reasons. Pam wanted to pick up a hand puppet for their daughter, and his stepson wanted to go for a walk in the woods. Is there like a trail back behind the

shopping center? Yeah, there is. So they're basically like killing two birds with one stone on this trip. Okay. So he says that they drove over, parked at about 155 and they decided that they're going to do the walk first. So they started walking for about 25 minutes. And when they rounded a corner, they saw something that at first sounds like they really couldn't comprehend. Well, and it's behind a mall, I honestly would believe it's a mannequin. If it were just that, then I would totally agree with you, but it is not just a girl laying there that they saw. He says what they saw is a man beating something on the ground with what looked like a broken

two by four. Now, they say this guy was about 20 to 30 feet down the path when they saw him, and when this guy looks up and sees the family, he dropped the board and just ran. So Henry says he walked up to where the man had been standing because he couldn't really see what was on the ground. But when he approached, that is when he found the girl with the board laying across her face. So he says he picks up the board, like, chucks it further into the woods. And then he goes, seems weird. Why? Why is he checking the board? Yeah, it seems like a bizarre thing to do right then.

Yeah, so if the column is dispatched, it just says that he got like emotional. I mean, I don't, I don't know, like, I don't think investigators find it to be that. In the rush of things, I guess. Yeah. And plus, they find the board. So it's not like he is saying that like he chucked it and and now no one can find it. It's like, I mean, it is a big piece of evidence. What? Okay, got it. Anyways, after he throws the board, Henry says that he thought the girl might still be alive. So his wife checked for a pulse. She couldn't find one. So he says he took his shirt off, placed it over her face, and then ran to the shopping center to call the police. And his wife Pam backs up the story. The whole thing. Yep.

And did the sun see any of it? So I know they talked to the sun, but they don't ask him much, maybe like two or three questions. I mean, he's only 10 at the time, so I don't think they're really counting on him to provide a detailed statement or anything like that. Yeah, and they're probably trying not to traumatize him even more. Right. Yeah, I've already saw what he saw. But even without the kids like retelling up events, they saw this guy, right? They did. they did.

And they provided a description. They say this guy looked young, maybe his late teens, but he was tall, he was thin, had scraggly black hair that fell to his shoulders. His bare shoulders, because the other thing they tell detectives is that this guy wasn't wearing a shirt. He only had cut off jeans on. So this is a decent amount to work with, and they obviously get a sketch artist to put together a shirt, he only had cut off jeans on. So this is a decent amount to work with, and they obviously get a sketch artist to put together a composite, which Brit I'll send to you right now. And I mean, again, it's kind of generic.

I mean, it just shows his long hair, it shows like his scruffy face. Again, I like, I think I could have drawn this if I needed to. So it's not super, super detailed, like if you're trying to compare whatever. Now, meanwhile, while they're getting all of this, the processing of the scene isn't yielding many results. Like I said, they find the board, which they collect. But if there is other evidence that they find that day, it's never reported on.

So at this point, the question of who this girl is is still unanswered, but they get their answer around seven o'clock that evening. Because that's when police get a call from a woman named Phyllis Mullins, who says that she wants to report her 14-year-old daughter, Christy Missing. Phyllis says Christy had gone to the pool that afternoon with her little sister, but she had left around 1230 with a friend and just hadn't been seen since. Her sister came home alone, and as the afternoon ticked by, she had gotten more and more

worried. I mean, so worried, in fact, that she had decided to go out and look for Christie herself, but before she even got very far, she ran into a neighbor who told her that the body of a girl had been found behind the shopping center. So Phyllis, she's making this call to find out if that girl is her girl. So two officers are sent over to the Mullens house to get Phyllis and her husband Norman, and they're taken to the morgue to see if they can identify this young girl. And at first, Phyllis doesn't think it's her daughter. Again, for faces so badly damage

she can't tell anything. But when she sees a birthmark on the girl's leg, that's her daughter's birthmark. It's her daughter's leg. And it has to feel impossible, because they were just five days away from celebrating Christie's 15th birthday. I mean, they'd probably been thinking about what present they were going to get her, what cake she wanted. And now, what? I mean, they're supposed to play in a funeral.

I mean, it isn't to play in a funeral? I mean, it isn't the kind of news that you can ever prepare yourself for, ever. Especially because her family doesn't have any idea why this would happen, or who would want to hurt Christy. But investigators at least now have a good place to start. That friend who Christy left the pool with. Her name was Carol. So they tracked her down and she tells them that earlier that day she had gotten a call from a man who said that he was a DJ for a radio station. He had said that there was going to be this cheerleading

competition behind the shopping center that day at like 145 and the winner would get a free pass to the state fair. Hold up, did she know this guy? No, not at all. And did Carol even do cheer? No, not at all. And was this a red flag for her? Apparently not. Because she says that she and her own little sister started walking toward the shopping center,

but on the way, they ran into Christie in her little sister who were walking in the same direction. Like on their way to the pool or after. Well in Carol's version, the pool doesn't really play any part, so there is a little different than what Christie's mom said. But either way, Carol asked Christie if she would go to the contest with her instead, to which she says, yes, so both girls went together, leaving their little sisters behind. Now, Carol goes on to say that she and Christy walked over to the shopping center and looked for whoever was having this contest.

But they couldn't find anyone. Because there was no contest. Well, yeah. Now, they waited by a guardrail behind the shopping center for a bit, and at about 145, Carol got tired of waiting. So she tells Christy, you know what I'm going to run inside, I'm going to look for somebody to find out what's going on. Now she's only in there for about three minutes because she's not able to find anyone who can actually help and then she comes back out. But when she comes back out, Kristi wasn't by the guardrail anymore. She says that she

waited for her for a little while, but she just never came back. Eventually, Carol says she walked by a nearby creek bed where I guess they would hang out sometimes. I'm not really super clear, but when Christie didn't show up there either, she just left. Okay, so did Carol tell anyone that Christie kind of just up and vanished? No. Again, I don't think she thought at the time she vanished. I think she thought she was tired of waiting to and pieced out. So just real quick, was Kristi ever even at the pool? Or is that just where her mom thought she was going? Like that's where she said she was going or what?

Well, I don't think Kristi was lying to her mom or anything. I think that's where her and her little sister were headed or they had already been at some point during that day. Because I think other people saw already been at some point during that day. Because I think other people saw her there at some point. And based on what some other people told police, Carol was at the pool that Christy had been at, too, later in the afternoon at about like 2.30. So I mean after all this happens, we know for sure Carol is back at the pool.

And again I know that Christy was at the pool at some time, so it's a little muddy and honestly it's going to get even messier in a bit, but I don't want to jump ahead in the story too much I know. So did anyone else in town get any strange calls from so-called radio DJs about a non-existent contest? To me this feels like Amy Mahalovek all over again. So that's actually what I thought when I first heard about this mysterious call, like find the caller, find the killer. Yeah. But this is where things start to go a little sideways.

So for some reason, the police just don't think the call has anything to do with the homicide. What? Are you kidding me? Yeah. No, they say that it was probably just a prank. And they, as far as I can tell, don't even try to trace the call or check phone records if that was even an option in this area back then.

Okay, I'm sorry. There's no way it's not connected. It's not just a coincidence that some mystery person Laura's carol tube this woods behind the shopping center for, I'm sorry, not a real reason, and then her friend is murdered in those same woods. I also don't think it's a coincidence that Christie was attacked when Carol went inside. Whoever this is could only overpower one of them. He originally called just one of them. Christie was a complete surprise.

But if Carol is the target, why is Christie the one who ends up killed? I mean, why is Carol the target at all? Like, does he know Carol? Was it just about any young girl, not a specific one? Did he know Carol well enough to know? It was Carol, or wasn't Carol. I mean, the thing is, if they never put a news release out, asking if anyone else got calls like this,

they would know. No, maybe a bunch of got calls like this, they wouldn't know. No, maybe a bunch of people did, but as far as we know Carol's the only one who seemed interested, I think this guy thought she was gonna show up alone, and then she didn't. I don't know. But then he got someone alone. Right.

Listen, I could spiral on the call for a long time. You'll see why. But I do think the fact that they- I'm already spiraling thanks. I know, I can tell. The fact that they don't seem to see the significance of this call to me, at any point, for any reason, it's bizarre. I mean, but the case itself is bizarre.

And it only gets more strange when an autopsy is completed on Christie. So her cause of death was blunt force trauma to her head and face, with most of the lethal damage being to the left side of her skull, which is somewhat expected. What's surprising is the lack of physical evidence pointing to any kind of sexual assault because the corner says that he did not find any evidence of semen on her body. I mean, that doesn't mean it wasn't the motive though. I mean, her top was pulled down to like her waist and knowing that this guy was interrupted by Henry and his family, yes, I agree.

Any number of things could have happened out there. And even though the investigators don't seem too keen on following up unleads that seem a little obvious to me, they are going full steam ahead, canvassing the area around where Christie's body was found and speaking more extensively with her family. Now her little sister, Kim, Kim contradicts Carol's statement that she had run into them on their way to the shopping center. Because Kim states something closer in line with Christie's mom that she and her sister Christie were already at the pool when Carol showed up and apparently Carol asked Christie to go with her to this contest.

And Kim says that this was a little surprising for a few reasons. One, Kristi didn't do cheerleading. I mean, same as Carol's, like, why would we do that? Neither did Carol. Exactly. And again, she could have just agreed to go support her friend or whatever, but that's the other thing.

She and Carol weren't really friends. Like, they were classmates, but that was basically the extent of their relationship. So Kim thinks it's strange that Christie would agree to leave her at the pool to go to some contest with someone she wasn't super close with. And speaking of Carol, Phyllis, so Christie's mom, she had a strange interaction with her, the day that Christie was killed. She tells police that she met up with

Carol that night outside the apartment complex where the Mullins lived, and Carol was absolutely inconsolable. She says that Carol apologized saying quote, it was never supposed to go this far. And she said that she thought she was intended to be the target, but then she also said that two people were involved in Christie's murder. Well, Ashley, you should have led with this. I kind of take back everything I said about the police ignoring the call. It probably never happened. That's why they ignored it.

Maybe, but you're saying that I think because now you're assuming that Carol is involved, right? Yeah, it sounds like she clearly knows more. It was never supposed to go this far. That implies that there was something that was supposed to go to begin with. Something that she knew about, not some mystery DJ caller. I agree, there's a problem with that though.

Because you can't say police wrote off the call because they like zero in on Carol and like, oh, Carol's line, the call doesn't exist. That wouldn't make sense to me. But the problem is, they don't. At all. Like, they don't, what do you mean? I mean, they talk to Carol. I know they talk to Carol again on like the 25th.

This is now two days after the murder. And she's sticking to her story about getting the call from the DJ. This time she tells them something she remembered about their conversation. She says that he told her to pick up some tree leaves on her way there because they're having some kind of other contest at the same time as the cheerleading contest,

where if you like could name the trees that the leaves are from, you can win something like anywhere from like 50 to $1,000. I'm sorry, what? I know, it makes no sense. But she like keeps going. She's like, you know, Christy, we picked up some leaves on the way there.

She elaborates more on what she did after Christy Vanna. She says that after they left the area, she went to hang out with her friend at their apartment. They just went on with their day until she heard about the murder. Okay, but didn't she go to the pool afterwards? I mean, people saw her there, didn't they? They did, but even in this statement,

she doesn't mention going to the pool. And I mean, look, without her full statement or the transcript of that conversation with investigators, I can't be sure why she didn't mention going to the pool or why there isn't more effort pressing her about the statement she made to Christie's mom, but they just don't. And I know this can seem really sketchy. I mean, we've seen some strange things together

in the last six years. Smoke doesn't always mean fire. Sometimes it's Halloween, there's a smoke machine, I don't know. So I don't know what to think about this. But what I do know is that she's given a polygraph, and according to an article published in Columbus Monthly, she doesn't show deceit on the quote unquote important parts of her story.

But she did show deceit on other parts of her story? That's what it implies, but I don't know the specifics, right? Like again, is the question just worried about at the pool and she says, no, but like, do you know how to Christie and she says, no, and that's the, I don't know. So take it or look at it. Yeah, like, who's determining what the important parts are? Ah, okay. Yeah, continue.

It's a polygraph, right? Like, who knows how accurate it is, who knows who's reading it, who knows anything. But again, police aren't accusing her of anything. And again, back in this day, like, polygraphs were gold. So I think if they got this, they probably would have just kind of like written everything else off to just her being traumatized or feeling guilty that she brought her there. So that may be how police are feeling, but her sketchy

stories just add to this growing feeling in the community that something's not right with this situation. Everyone is terrified and no one knows who to trust. Parents are worried that there's a killer on the loose looking for another victim. The local teens aren't buying Carol's story even if police are. But if they have any idea of what really could have happened, they don't come forward. And Christie's family is living in a waking nightmare. For them, answers can't come fast enough.

And on August 26, police get a break that they've actually been waiting for. At about 5 p.m., a police officer on patrol in downtown Columbus is standing by a Greyhound bus station when he spots this man who looks a lot like the sketch of the man that Henry and Pam said that they saw in the woods. And Brit, again I know I said it was kind of a generic sketch, but when I say a lot, I do mean a lot. I'll show you them side by side.

Oh, yeah. This is super, super close. I mean they have the same hair, the same sort of like scruffy facial hair, same long, thin face. Yeah, again, I still feel like I could draw this hair, same long, thin face. Yeah, again, I still feel like I could draw this sketch, but I feel like I would be drawing this guy, you know what I mean?

This man, yeah. Right. So the officer is like stunned to see this person right in front of him, walking around. So he calls the homicide investigators who come down to the bus station and they ask this man if he would come and go with them

and talk to them. And this man agrees, so they all head to the station. They learn this guy's name is Jack Carmen, he's 25. And right off the bat, it's obvious that communicating with him in the way they're used to isn't going to be easy, because they learn that Jack is an outpatient of the Apple Creek State Institute, which is a state-sponsored behavioral health hospital that houses and treats people with developmental disabilities. According to reporting by Rick Kelly for the lantern, he has an IQ of 56,

and at the moment, he is living slash working at the Volunteers of America, or VOA, which provides health and housing services to vulnerable individuals. And although he's agreed to be questioned, it doesn't seem like he fully grasps why he's there or what he's even being asked about.

But rather than, I don't know, bringing someone in to help facilitate the interview or ensuring that Jack does fully understand the situation, they just press on for six hours. Oh my God. And it is a long six hours because Jack mostly gives one word answers if he even answers their questions at all. But over those six hours, investigators become convinced that Jack was the one who killed Christy. And eventually, he confesses.

The story investigators put together is this. On the day Christie was killed, Jack left the VOA and rode the bus in hour up to Clintonville. He got there at the perfect time spotting Christie alone behind the shopping center, and that's when he tied her wrists, threatened to kill her if she didn't cooperate and dragged her into the woods.

Then once they were a good distance into the woods, he hit her and sexually assaulted her. And then after, he told her his name, and Christie started to run, saying she was going to tell her mom what happened. So he picked up a nearby 2x4, chased her down, and beat her with it. I spot like eight holes in this story already. Right, I know. I mean, first off, the corner hadn't found any physical signs of sexual assault.

You are correct, but that detail doesn't seem to bother investigators. Okay, then, I mean, let me go down the rest of the list. Did he bring things to tie her with? Did he just have that on him? And he just found this random 2x4. How perfectly convenient. A lot's perfectly convenient. And also, someone showed me a bus schedule because I mean, what are the freaking odds that this is all timing out perfectly? What's an I get

it, but still, investigators aren't hung up on the same details that you and I might be because to them this is it They say that Jack seems to know things that only the killer would know like how the two by four broke when Kristi was beaten with it They even go so far as to take him to the scene and they say that he can point out where everything happened I'm sorry He knows things that only the killer would know and they know this from his one word answers I mean knows things that only the killer would know, and they know this from his one word answers. I mean, crime junkies, everyone listing gets how this is happening, right?

Yeah, I mean, I think crime junkies, if you're this far in, unless it's your first episode, like you understand how false confessions happen by this point. But you know, if there is any doubt, have no fear, I will get into some of this in a minute. Now the police do conduct like one safety measure to feel good about having the right guy. They put together a lineup for Henry and Pam Newell to take a look. And they both point to Jack as being the one

they saw in the woods. So the next day, Jack is charged with aggravated murder, rape, kidnapping, felony murder during a rape, and felony murder during a kidnapping. And those murder and felony murder charges all rape and felony murder during a kidnapping. And those murder and felony murder charges all carried the death penalty. Now, how you're charged with rape when there was no rape, I don't know, but here we are. And we're here really fast. We are and things don't slow down from there because Jack is given a court appointed, who on his behalf accepts a plea deal in exchange

for dropping the rape, kidnapping, and felony murder charges, and for the death penalty to be taken off the table. So on September 3rd, he sentenced to life in prison. Oh, wait. September 3rd, then this is what, like, 11 days after Christie was murdered? From the crime to sentencing, we are talking less than two weeks

I get the right to a speedy trial, but I don't think I like this It's like the speed of light and it makes everyone uneasy Because even though there was this initial relief in the community and for the Moons family when Jack was arrested After they learned the details for the basis of that arrest, that relief turns to concern because there is just something about the confession and the details of it, the one that you pointed out that don't exactly hold water. The biggest problem with Jack's confession is, first and foremost, simply his competency. Members of the community, especially those who know Jack,

are concerned that he only confessed to the crime because he was afraid of the death penalty. In fact, a woman named Jennifer Gross, who used to be one of Jack's vocational instructors, tells a writer for Columbus Monthly that he just wasn't the type of person to stand up for himself. In fact, she believes that all they had to do was say the word, electric chair, and he would have confessed to anything they accused him of.

And when it comes to the details that Jack got right, other people are also concerned that he may have been fed those answers. And that doesn't always happen even purposefully or maliciously. Right. I remember hearing an episode you did on the deck where an investigator even admitted that he looked back at one of his own cases and realized he kind of fled that like accidentally. Lauren so conno. Yeah, but in the moment he was just so deep in it, he couldn't really see what he was doing. Right. Now, as for the lineup part of all of this.

Which like eyewitnesses are notoriously bad, you and I actually just talked about this in person a couple days ago. Yes, but it's actually more than that. So Jack's supporters learn that Jack wasn't the only person who was taken to the scene that day that he confessed and like showed them where everything happened or whatever. Police apparently also took Henry and Pam. where everything happened or whatever, police apparently also took Henry and Pam. Henry and Pam, who identified him later. So they saw him at the scene before the lineup.

Well, technically, all they say is like, both groups were there and that they could have seen him. Okay. Yeah, because investigators, obviously, later they're like, oh, we were super careful. We didn't let them cross paths, but considering like how sloppy or like downright negligent, they've been so far like, okay.

Yeah, yeah, sure, Jan. Now there's another detail that everyone kind of cleans onto. It's small, but it's important to them. Other people who know Jack say that he would never have been wearing cut off jeans, which is what Henry Newell says he saw per killer wearing. And they say this because Jack reportedly didn't like showing his legs, so he ALWAYS, even

in the August heat, ALWAYS wore jeans. And then to top this all off, several people working at the BOA said that they saw Jack right before Christie was murdered at around 130. So, physically, he could not have been the one to do it because remember, the bus ride between downtown Columbus to Clintonville is like an hour. And Henry is calling 911 about finding Christie at like 230. So it is just not stinking possible. Concern in the community is so great at that point that on September 8th, over 70 people go to a township meeting

to make their worries known and to question police and prosecutors about what's going on. After that committee meeting, they formed the Justice for Jack Committee with the goal of pushing for the truth, whatever that may be. And this community concern and involvement makes a real difference. One of Jack's friends visits him in jail and helps him write a letter to dismiss his current lawyer, the one who represented him when he pled guilty.

And he specifically requests representation from the American Civil Liberties Union. And while the ACLU doesn't end up representing him in the long run, he does get a new attorney who starts working on a motion to set aside the conviction and withdraw the guilty plea, and in this, they're basically questioning Jack's competency, and if he was even fully able to consent to the questioning to begin with.

Which all of this I agree with, and it needs to be done, but what does Christie's family think of all this? I have to imagine that's kind of a conflicted place. Well, they're actually not convinced of Jack's guilt either, so much so that as this is all going on, Christie's father Norman starts his own investigation. And the thing that he's really focused on is he's not convinced that Carol's telling the truth At least Judd Yeah, at least not the whole truth from what I can tell it seems like he believed Carol and Kristi did go to the shopping center together that day

But not for a cheerleading competition You see here's another little fact we learn. A little over a month before her murder, Christy was actually caught with a few other teens, including Carol smoking marijuana. Now, it wasn't the end of the world, none of them were charged with anything, but her parents think that the girls may have gone to the shopping center to purchase marijuana. So they were kind of friends, then. Kind of. I mean, again, I don't think they're super close.

That's why her younger sisters is not and she saw her like coming over for sleepovers, but they did know each other. They're missing class, they might have hung out. Right, so who exactly were you going to meet, Carol? Well, that's what he wants to know. And listen, even if he finds out that Carol was telling the truth, Norman is extremely unhappy

with the way investigators have handled the whole investigation. Not just for all the reasons I've already mentioned, either. According to that same Columbus monthly article I mentioned earlier, Norman says that he went out to search the woods where Christie was killed, and he found a pair of men's cutoff jeans, and a few neighbors found bloody men's underwear. Now, both of these items are turned over to police, but by the new year they haven't even heard anything about them. And spoiler alert, I couldn't find anything about what happened to those items, and in the

long run it doesn't seem like they had anything to do with Christie's murder. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Bullshit. Did anyone have Henry look at those cutoffs? I can't answer a single question. I mean literally, there's like nothing about the fuck up. Okay, if I were Norman, I'd be pissed. Well, he is pissed. And he also just straight up doubt that Jack could have forced Christie into the woods. Like Jack's tall, but dude's real skinny, whereas Christie's like 5'7, she's super athletic,

so unless he had a deadly weapon, which by the way he didn't because in his confession if you want to believe that, he says he like found this 2x4 to kill her. So her dad's like, he could not have forcibly drug her away. Now as Norman's own investigation is going on, Jack's guilty plea is officially set aside in January and a competency hearing is ordered. And in May, a judge agrees that his confession was not obtained correctly, therefore violating his civil rights.

So his initial confession is thrown out, as is the original guilty plea, which means he gets a new trial. And this is a big win for everyone who believes in Jack's innocence. And his defense team is ready not only to use this next trial to prove his innocence, but to also point to who they believe is really responsible for Christie's murder. And that is Henry Newell. A witness called 911.

That guy? That's the guy. That's the one that's come from. Well, for one, Henry has a long rap sheet. He's been in jail three separate times. He's tried to escape twice. And in fact, as all this competency stuff is going down, he's in jail for arson.

Dude, burdened down his own home to try and claim the insurance money. Cool, cool, cool, cool. So, just seeing that was enough for the defense to be like, huh, guy who found her is in jail. Wonder what his deal is. And here's what his deal is. For one, they hear from a clerk who worked at one of the stores in the shopping center who says that it was her store Henry

came into right after he supposedly found Christie's body. And she tells them that Henry was shirtless wearing cut-off jeans and had a mark on his face that looked like someone hit him. Wait, shirtless cut-off jeans, that's who he called in. He described himself. I mean, kind of, yeah. I mean, granted, he said that he was shirtless because he put a shirt over Christie's face when he found her.

Okay, but I don't care why he's shirtless, he's still describing himself. That's weird. It's so weird. Now this clerk isn't the only one who says that she noticed Henry looked like he'd been in a fight either. One of Henry and Pam's neighbors says that on the night of the murder, he'd seen Henry and said that he noticed scratches on his hands and that he had seen wire that looked an awful lot like the wire that was found wrapped around Christie's hands in Henry's garage.

But this neighbor also says that Henry had admitted to him that he knew Carol and that they had gone swimming together, naked, in the same pool that Carol got Christie from on the day she was killed What? I know I had like 45 follow-up questions that I couldn't find answers Same. How did this neighbor know what kind of wires she was tied with weird did the police not talk to him in person that day? Like they did right? He led them to where her body was found. How are they not seeing this on him? It is unbelievable. Now this him swimming naked with young underage girls thing was apparently a rumor that had made its way around town before. I can't find any evidence of that actually happening and I don't think Carol herself or Henry for that matter ever commented on it, but the core of this statement is that Carol and Henry knew each other.

But Britt, that's not even the half of the stuff they plan on presenting at trial. They plan on going hard on the investigators who got tunnel vision and using the confession tape to prove Jack's innocence. Now, one thing happens before the trial that I think is important to mention, because even though the Mullins family have seemed pretty convinced that Jack didn't kill Christy. In August of 1977, it seems like they might have had a change of heart or a change to their minds, because they file a civil suit seeking $500,000 in actual damages and 1.5 million impunitive damages against Jack. Basically, the suit states that Jack was involved but lied to protect other people who are named in the suit as John and Jane Does. I don't understand this.

I know it sounds like it makes no sense, but Norman says in an article for the Pequa Daily Call by the Associated Press that he's really just hoping that the trial that would come out of the lawsuit would bring the truth forward. Especially because he keeps hitting a wall both in his own investigation and in the communication or lack thereof from law enforcement. And it's grating on him. So the only thing I can think is like, he knows he's not gonna win. Maybe he doesn't even want to win because he doesn't think Jack did it or does,

or I don't know, but this trial gives him the power to subpoena things from police that he can't normally get. And again, that's a little bit of speculation on my part. Like I might be kind of off, but like I mean, the statement that he may kind of lines up. But ultimately it's hard to tell too much based on the outcome of all of that because there was no outcome. I wasn't able to find what happened with that lawsuit. I'm pretty sure it got dropped, but there just

isn't much out there about it. But there is plenty out there about that next trial, though, which begins in December of 1977. And this is like the trial of the century for people of Clintonville and the wider Columbus area. The courtroom is packed every single day with people who have been following this case from the beginning, and the Molin's family waits with baited breath for whatever the outcome will be. Now one of the first witnesses that the prosecution calls is Pam, who sticks to the story that she's been telling investigators pretty much this whole time.

She says, her son Bobby wanted to walk in the woods, her daughter wanted to pump it so the family decided to go to the shopping center, and that's when they found Jack Carmen beating Christie. But, she adds that Henry had been home pretty much all day before that. He'd only stepped out once because some neighbors' kids were throwing firecrackers, he goes outside to stop them, but she says he's gone for like minutes at most and was home with her the rest of the day. Carol, when she gets on the stand, sticks to her story too, denies even knowing Henry.

And when the defense asks her about strange comments that she made to fill us, the whole like it was never meant to go this far thing, she says that she doesn't remember making that statement. And then there's Henry, who is led into the courtroom in handcuffs because he is serving time for that whole arson situation. He tells basically the same story too. But what everyone's really waiting for for this trial is the confession tape. All 90 minutes of the confession portion of the interview is played. And it is glaringly obvious that Jack just did not comprehend what he was confessing to, and that investigators were leading him through his confession, a confession that is full of inaccuracies and holes.

One of the investigators is even herdsang quote, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Which is like what, obviously exactly what he's doing. So all in all, it is pretty damning to the prosecution. And when it comes time for the defense, they come out so winging. The clerk testifies to seeing that mark on Henry's face, which takes the prosecution off guard. Like they didn't see it coming. And when they ask her on cross examination why she'd never given police that much information

before, her response is, you never ask. Because, Brit, no one, not investigators, not the prosecuting team. Oh my God. No one had ever asked this woman about what she saw that day or even tried to get her to corroborate Henry's story. No, are we surprised, though? No one is surprised, actually. Where we are.

Now the neighbor testifies, too, as does Kim, Christie's sister, and Phyllis, her mom. But not her dad, Norman? No, and I haven't gotten into this too much, but the relationship between Norman and the investigators, and honestly even the defense team, is contentious, like I said, I mean, he'd been pretty outwardly critical of the investigation. He's done a lot to try and fend answers for himself, but in doing that, I mean, it's come at a cost, and the cost has been a lot of the relationships of these people. So I think when it came time to deciding who they were going to put on the stand, the defense team felt like Phyllis was just the better choice. And while I'm sure Norman would have loved to have his time on the stand,

there was actually a better witness that comes forward on the fifth day of trial and says that he wants to testify. Someone that neither the defense nor the prosecution expected. And that's Bobby, Henry's stepson. Bobby's 12 by the time this trial takes place and his testimony of what happened that day is wildly different than his parents. For one, he says Henry knew Christie,

although in what capacity is a little unclear, and he says on the day of the murder, Henry did step out to yell at some kids who were using firecrackers, like Pam had said. But, Bobby says he wasn't gone for just a few minutes, like his mom said. Henry was gone for more like 30 to 45 minutes. And when he came back, his shirt and sandals were missing and he had scratches on both his face and his body. Now, Little Bobby at the time didn't know what had happened, but his mom and Henry went into another room to talk for a bit. And when they came out, they said

they were gonna be going to the shopping center. When they got there, they parked, they started walking on the trails, and that's where they found Henry's sandals with one of the straps broken, and then a little further up, they found Christie's body. He says that his mom told him not to talk about what happened to anyone,

which is why he hadn't come forward all those years. I mean, he's only 12 now. I can imagine he didn't really know what to do or what to think or how to Come forward. Right. It's his mom. Like who do you talk to? Honestly, the only reason he did eventually come forward is because he told his biological father and He like showed him like you know ushered him through the right path of like bringing coming forward and like bringing his testimony to trial. Now Pam's mom also comes forward to the defense and on the stand she says that she had a concerning interaction with Henry right after Christie was murdered. She said that she, Pam, and Henry

went to the funeral home the night before Christie's funeral, I think for a visitation. And while they're driving back, she said something about how much of a tragedy this was. And Henry, rather than being like, yeah, period, and just like stopping, he said that it would quote, teach her to keep her damn mouth shut. Her as in a Christie? That's how Pam's mom interpreted it. And why didn't she come for it with this earlier? She's not 12.

Yeah, I know. She says it's because she's afraid of Henry and not just Henry either, but also his brother Tommy because they I guess have this like rain of tear over the whole family. Now, there's one more person who comes forward to the defense wanting to testify. He's a friend of Henry's and he ends up testifying that Henry had actually admitted to him that he had killed Christie, though he says it was accidentally not on purpose, but still- Still killed Christie. That sounds like a confession, yeah. Now all in all, the case they make is strong enough that Jack is acquitted.

But then, Henry's not charged after that. In fact, the prosecutor basically says he won't take the case any further because he thinks the case was investigated to the best of their ability. What does that even mean? That's not an answer. Yeah, were you there because they basically showed you how you failed to investigate to the best of your ability?

Yeah, honestly, I was about to say what investigation? Yeah, that's the response of like everyone who hears that. And the public is so enraged that the prosecutor has to like walk back that statement two days after the trial and he says, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to reopen Christie's case. And this time, investigators say they're focusing on sex offenders who looked like Jack. Which, uh, okay, I have a lot of thoughts. Is bananas right? Bonkers, sex offenders for a case that has no implications of being a sex crime. Yeah, and it implies that they're still taking Henry's version of events as fact. Henry, who just tried to-

I know, again, I am. Henry, who, okay, what's going on? As I'm saying, again, I ask, were you at the same trial as everyone else? Because why don't you start with looking at the person where there are all of these holes? Why don't you close that door first before you start looking for some random boogie man? Here's what's wild, but to your point of like, you're still not only are you not looking

at Henry, you're still gonna base whatever new investigation you have on his story. They're doubling down because even when they find someone who fits like the description of looking like Jack, what they do is they show the photo to Henry to see if like again who described himself as the person they saw whatever Yeah, is this the guy and and Henry is remained steadfast in his accusation of Jack which I mean does nothing Jack can't be tried again And after about five or six months the case goes cold Which as you can imagine is devastating to the Moens family, especially Norman who continues to forge ahead, but even he doesn't get much further either.

And for a long, long time, that's it. Norman eventually dies of cancer in 2006, never knowing what happened to his daughter. And without him, Christie's case just sits collecting dust. That is until 2013, when a retired lawyer named John Auler takes an interest in Christie's case. He'd been a student at the Ohio State University when Christie was killed, so it had never been far from his mind, and he decides to take his own deep dive into the case and investigate it for himself. And he does this by contacting the Moons family, they send him all of Norman's

notes, he goes through all of it, and between those notes and talking to people in the area who hadn't been to Ke keen on talking before, he starts making some connections. And all the connections lead back to one man, Henry Nuel. You can't see it, but I'm shocked, Ashley. I know. I feel like I should have been like everyone listening, say it with me. Exactly.

Now, one of the things that really catches his interest is the story about Christie Carroll and a few other teens getting caught smoking pot. And it's not just that incident. It's more about where the local teens like Christie would go to smoke. And one of those places was in the woods behind the shopping center, where she ends up being killed. And what's even more interesting is who

all the local teens would get their pot from. All together now. Say it with me. Henry Newell. Yep. So much like Norman, John Wonders, if Carol and Christy went to the shopping center to buy pot from Henry and somehow, I want to say things deteriorated, but that doesn't feel like the right word for it.

That seems passive, yeah. Yeah. And so he's thinking that it was really Henry's relationship with not just Christy or Carol, but a lot of the local teens that was like this big red flag. Now he also learns that Henry hasn't kept out of trouble since Christy's murder either. His long rap sheet just kept growing with charges including making aggravated menacing threats, more arson, domestic violence, sexual assault, and harassment. And one more death that he is connected to but never charged with committing.

And that's the death of his wife, Pam. She ended up filing for divorce in January of 1982, and no joke. One month later, she is found deceased in her bed in the apartment she and Henry still shared. How did she die? Her official cause of death was an overdose of seco-barbitol, which is a sedative primarily used to treat insomnia. And her manner of death was ruled as suicide

because investigators found this note. But her family was convinced that Henry had drugged her and wrote the note himself, especially because no one could find a bottle that this Seagal Barber Tall would have come in. Okay. But like I said, he was never charged with anything having to do with her death, and Henry died in September 2013, so he now can't answer for either case. Now with all this new information, John takes everything he knows, and he wrote a book titled, An All-American Murder, which has been a primary source for this episode.

We'll link out to it if you guys want to read it yourself. And this book is what changes the course of Christie's case. It gains traction on social media and Christie's friends and family rallied together to push for a review of her case by a cool case team. They actually even bring a petition to the Clintonville area commission who unanimously vote to send a letter to investigators asking for them to reexamine the case. But before it's even reopened, it is almost like the floodgates open. Because with John's book Gaining Popularity, he's contacted by several members of the Newell family who basically all say that it was some kind of open secret in the family that Henry had been the one to kill Christy. One family member in particular says that a few months after her 16th birthday,

Henry bought her a car and when they went out driving together, he like tells her to pull over. And in the car right there, he told her that he had been the one to kill Christy. Now, the story he tells has some inconsistencies in it, like he told her that he had tied Christy's hands behind her when they'd actually been tied in front of her. And he also claimed to have sexually assaulted her and that he had hit her on the right side of her head when most of the damage we know had been to the left side.

And yes, those are inconsistencies. But like, those are ones that I can kind of understand making, right? Like, you're hitting on your right side. You know what I mean? Like, those are ones that I can kind of understand making, right? Like, you're hitting on your right side. You know what I mean? Like, those are so little, it's not like jacks where like huge facts were just wrong. Right. Right.

Now, this woman says that Henry was known to drink a lot and he would often conflate his stories, which is why she didn't come forward at the time. But then when John's book was gaining so much traction, she felt like it was time to tell her story. So finally, in May of 2014, detectives in Columbus officially reopened Christie's case. And this time, with a whole new generation of detectives, they do a full investigation. They review all of the evidence, and they interview about 60 people over the next 18 months. They also retest some of the evidence like some of Christie's clothing like looking for DNA and they do actually End up finding some DNA on her clothing, but it's way too degraded to figure out who it belongs to

All they can tell is that it was from a male, but they can't actually like test it against anything Now it takes a long time. But finally, on November 6, 2015, the cold case unit calls a press conference, and that's where they announce that they are convinced that Henry Newell was the man who killed Christie. They say that if he were alive today, they would have enough to file charges, but since he's passed away, the best they can do is offer a public apology to the Mullins family for the shoddy work that caused Christie's case to remain unsolved for so long. But an apology won't bring Christie back.

It won't bring Norman back, who spent the rest of his years looking for the man who took his baby girl away. And it won't undo the decades of hurt that the Mullins family had to endure, not knowing what really happened to Christy. Right, I mean, I'm glad we're all kind of on the same page with Henry now, but I guess the missing piece for me is why? I mean, he, what he goes outside to stop these kids from lighting firecrackers and like 30 to 45 minutes, he goes out,

beats Chrissy to death, comes home, what kicked us off, what started this, why is this happening? And was Carol involved? Like did she lure Chrissy out there, was all of this planned? I don't know. I don't think we'll ever have full,

complete answers to those questions. Carol may have been involved in luring her, she may know something, or brought her along, not even knowing, you know what I mean, but like, I don't know. Does Carol ever come forward and tell the real story, more of her story, anything? No, she has always stuck to her version of events.

And I mean, to some extent, I get it, because like, I mean, my god, even after it was clear to everyone that Henry did it, the police wouldn't even take it seriously. You know what I mean? But I do think like, what about after he died? I mean, I think there's a lot of families potentially out there holding on to stuff like this, holding on to these generational secrets. And not in this case, but like, I might be talking about one of you listening.

And it's not something that like I'm just saying to sound deep. We were recently contacted after an episode we did by someone who had information on a murder that they believed someone in their family committed. I mean, and the way they described it is the way the people in Henry's family described it, where they're like, it's almost this like known family secret, but it starts to become more like lore than fact. And you're like, well, surely, you know, police must know everything. You know, if we know this, if we're talking about this,

whatever, and it wasn't until they heard our episode, that they were like, we have to come forward. So don't wait for the episode. I mean, if there is something like this, some secret in your family, some lore in your family, I mean, there is another family on the other end. There is a philis, there is a norm in there, there is a Kim and they are living in terrible grief.

So even if it feels like you couldn't ever really be living in your own family's crime-junkie episode, remember that these stories are happening all around us, to us, and we owe the truth to one another. And I also think an important thing to take from this episode is how much the community engagement helped this case. Jack could still have lived out his whole life in prison

if nobody would have cared. If nobody would have- But I thought it was amazing how quickly they worked. I mean, he was what, Charging convicted in early September, and they got together in early September and said, this isn't right. We as a community will not stand for this injustice.

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