Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - 5-year-old girl sex-assaulted, found dead in snow packed culvert

Episode Date: December 8, 2020

Siobhan McGuinness, 5, disappeared while walking home from a play date, just two blocks from her home. Her body was found four days later, stabbed to death and hidden in a drain culvert packed with snow. For more than four decades this crime went unsolved. Who killed Siobhan?Joining Nancy Grace Today: James Shelnutt - 27 years Atlanta Metro Major Case detective, SWAT Officer (RET) Attorney www.shelnuttlawfirm.com     Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, www.carynstark.com  Chris Byers - former Police Chief Johns Creek Georgia, 25 years as Police Officer, now Private Investigator and Polygraph Examiner,   www.chrisbyersinvestigationsandpolygraph.com    Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida Shera LaPoint - Genetic Genealogist, The Gene Hunter,   www.thegenehunter.com    David Mittleman - CEO  Othram Incorporated, www.othram.com      Ray Caputo Lead News Anchor for Orlando's Morning News, 96.5 WDBO    Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a five-year-old little girl get raped and murdered and the case goes cold crime stories with nancy grace happened to siobhan first of all take a listen to our friends at khq6 we had more trust especially with the children. And in her neighborhood, the north side, it was family mostly, you know, and fairly safe. Everybody thought they were safe. February, Missoula, Montana.

Steve's little girl, 5-year-old Siobhan McGinnis, was thriving. She's a very happy child, very intelligent, very outgoing. Just in the short period of time that she was here, I think she impacted a lot of people's lives. Steve and Siobhan's mother had split up and he moved across town. The nightmare began with a single knock from Missoula PD. The look on this guy's face was very telling. And he asked me to sit down. He said, your daughter's missing. Steve says the officer told him they were doing everything they could,

that crews were searching the entire city. That knock on the door no parent wants. Well, it came for this family. Let me introduce you to our all-star panel who's going to break it down and put it back together for you. The search for Siobhan James Shelnut, 27 years, Metro Major, case, now lawyer at ShelnutLawFirm.com. Renowned psychologist joining us from New York, Karen Stark at KarenStark.com. Former police chief, Johns Creek, now at Chris ByersInvestigationAndPolygraph.com. Dr. Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida.

You can find him at PathCareMed.com. Cheryl LaPointe, genetic genealogist, the gene hunter at thegenehunter.com cheryl lapointe genetic genealogist the gene hunter at the gene hunter.com and david middleman the ceo of author incorporated expert in dna identification at authoram.com but first to ray caputo lead news anchor for wdbo ray let's start at the beginning. Where did the murder of this five-year-old little girl take place? A place called Missoula, Montana, Nancy. It's on the western edge of that state, not far from the Idaho border. About 75,000 people in town. It's not a huge town. And one unique thing about Missoula is that it has an interstate called I-90 that runs through it. And if that road is familiar, there's a good chance it could run through your town too,

because it's the longest highway in the U.S. It basically stretches from coast to coast. So a very cold time of year too. This was in February, where they're not getting a ton of light. And it was, geez, in the 30 she's high 20s when all this happened i'm processing what you're saying ray caputo and when you said a town of 70 000 that really reduces the suspect pool okay but when you said i-90 runs beside it well that opens up the suspect pool and it brings to mind the case of dylan and shasta Groney up in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. They live, if you look down on an aerial, nothing but green forest, but there was an interstate. And as the kidnapper and killer, spree killer, drove by on the interstate, he saw Shasta

playing in an above-ground pool. Pulled off the interstate, killed the whole family, also ended up killing the little brother, Dylan. Shasta lived. So when you have an interstate in the mix, no matter how small the town is, that changes things. Another factor, Ray Caputo, you said Montana. Sure, there's I-90, but Montana is very mountainous. I mean, unless you're going for tourism and you are going out of your way to see its beauty,

how many people are in that neck of the woods, Ray? Nancy, you're completely right. It's a very rural part of the world, and if you don't go there for beauty, it's probably a place you're just passing through. And getting back to 90, just to tell you how immense this road is and how somebody could just be passing through, I grew up in the middle of New York State in Syracuse, and I-90 literally runs past my hometown too all the way out there in New York.

So people can literally go from coast to coast seemingly on this road. Now I'm thinking about what we know so far. Ray Caputo, you're telling me that this five-year-old little girl is raped and murdered. Dr. Tim Gallagher, medical examiner, state of Florida, how did they deduce that the child had been raped? Well, we can do a sexual assault kit on the child where we would take swabs of the vaginal area and of the anal area as well as in the mouth, and we could look under the microscope and see if there is sperm or some sort of evidence of sexual contact,

pubic hair from an adult, and then we could deduce that they've been raped that way. We could also look for injuries on the body, injuries in the crotch area, injuries in the vaginal area and in the rectum. That will also give us clues as to whether this child was raped or not. Take a listen to our friends at KHQ6. Hope fell right along with the brutal cold temperatures. She's found outside of Missoula, east of Missoula. It was in this area just off of I-90 called Tura. She was violated.

I know that was really awful. Siobhan's half-sister Una says the family believes whoever did this was watching Siobhan as she walked, waiting for an opportunity for the little girl to be alone. Her house was within sight and the little friend she'd been visiting, her mom walked her to the end of that block, but she had dinner on the stove and had to get back to stir the dinner. And she said, it's okay, honey, you can see your house. You think you'll be all right. And she went back to the kids and dinner. They believe her killer somehow got Siobhan into his car. Oh, my stars.

To Ray Caputo, I was curious, as everyone has been, about why Siobhan was outside in these temperatures. Explain how she was kidnapped. Well, Nancy, I mean, we really don't know because she seemingly disappeared without a trace. But one thing, you know, you have a young girl I do as well. And kids at five years old, they're people pleasers. You know, they want to actively make friends. They want to get positive responses from adults.

So it's not hard to imagine how easily it would have been for an adult to get a five-year-old little girl in just that moment where she's not being watched into his car. But, you know, right now, we don't know, really. But we know that she got into that car when we were at the other. Well, we know this, too. Chief Chris Byers joining us now with Chris Byers Investigations and Polygraphs.com, I was wondering what mom or dad would let the little girl go play outside in this weather all by herself. And it was getting dark, if not already dark. But that's not what happened, Chief. We know that she had a play date with a little girl a couple of blocks away.

And the mom walked her all the way home except for one block but she had left something on the stove and turned around went look there's your house just walk to your house and she went back to the stove and let the little girl walk one block and in that block chief buyers she gets kidnapped yeah Yeah, what a horrible situation. And you've got to think, too, probably in that type of town, we're talking the early 70s, probably nothing like that had happened there before. And just mom, you know, this little girl's mom, friend's mom, let her guard down. And I'm sure that was something that probably happened quite regularly in that area.

And what a just horrible set of circumstances to line up for this to happen to her. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the disappearance, the brutal rape, kidnap, and murder of a five-year-old little girl. To make matters worse, the case goes cold. Take a listen to our friends at KHQ6. Siobhan was walking home from a neighborhood friend's house, nearly visible from her own, but that short distance on the North Missoula sidewalks, mere moments alone, was all it took for a killer to get her. I think her body was found the next evening. Two days. I think it was two days. Did you just know before you knew?

Yeah, I had a feeling that she was not going to survive because she's so little. She was so young. And it was February. It was freezing at night. You know, I said, yeah, it was, you know, weather was not good. Things were not favorable for any kind of survival, certainly. Her body was dumped east of town in the area of Tura, just off of I-90. She was found in a culvert, snow piled up all around. Everyone was a suspect, but Stevens says he never thought his daughter's killer was close to their family. Did you think it was someone you knew, maybe? I did not think it was anyone I knew.

To Karen Stark joining me, New York psychologist joining us, KarenStark.com, Karen with a C. Karen, when you hear that her body was dumped, dumped down a culvert with snow piled up all around her, this five-year-old little girl. Her body just dumped. What does that tell you about the killer? Well, Nancy, it tells me that this is somebody who has absolutely no regard for human life. We're talking about someone who could look at this little girl as though she was a doll or a toy. He could care less about her.

There's not even an attempt to make it seem as though she's in a warm place or anything like that. She is actually just tossed aside. Also to James Shelnut, 27 years, Metro Major case at ShelnutLawFirm.com. James, you know that neighbor mom must have tortured herself the rest of her life as her own mom. And to make it more complex, another wrinkle is that mom and dad are separated and live in two different parts of town you've got the neighbor mom who lives with the guilt of leaving the girl alone a five-year-old little girl alone to walk the rest of the way home and then turning around and leaving not looking back then you've got the mother who it's on her watch whether she intended it to happen or not then you got the dad who's living across town after the split without any control over what's happening with his five-year-old, and she ends up raped and dead.

Yeah, you know, in cases like this, you know, there's always people who ask themselves, what if I would have done something differently? Could I have prevented this? You know, did I play a role in this unintentionally? Could I have stopped this? You know, in reality, the person who caused this is this maniac who murdered this child. That's who caused it. And I think those are normal feelings to have. You know what?

You're right. That's hard to get your mind around that when you're so busy blaming yourself. But none of these people had anything to do with this little girl's death. Back to Ray Caputo, lead news anchor WDBO joining us. Ray, so it's a very small town, even though there is I-90, the interstate there in the beautiful Montana mountains. And the girl goes missing. When did they, how much time passed before they find her body? Not long, Nancy, about two days passes, and they end up finding her not far down the road from the town,

right off the highway, in a culvert, a little tunnel that passes under the road where water travels and there's snow around, and she was just discarded like a piece of trash. It didn't take very long for them, but it might seem like eternity for those who were looking for. To Cheryl LaPointe joining us, genetic genealogist, the so-called gene hunter at thegenehunter.com. Cheryl, thanks for being with us. The child had been out in the snow, literally piles of snow all around her.

How does that affect or does it affect DNA? Nancy, it definitely affects DNA. It affects it by, it degrades the DNA. The DNA in the elements get affected by cold weather, by rain, by water being mixed in the body and it makes it harder to be able to separate and work with. Luckily at the time the investigators preserved DNA that proved to be key evidence in this case and anytime you have DNA that's been around it was out in the elements and then sat basically on a shelf somewhere for about 47 years. So the preservation of that DNA was amazing. This family is suffering, and as the days pass, no arrests are made.

Take a listen to our friends at KHQ six. It's my understanding that the police at the time felt that whoever had murdered her was not an experienced at that. She was assaulted and then she sustained several stab wounds. There were many initial leads. Missoula police say each was aggressively pursued. They even publicly discussed reopening the case, as covered in this article by the Missoulian. There is DNA. I know that it has been run against the criminal databases, and nothing really came of that. Despite his rage, his extreme sorrow, life moved on. It had to. Steve did end up remarrying having una and another daughter but knowing they will never meet his first is a wound that even time can't touch so the world keeps spinning and

time passes by and her parents still devastated even though seemingly on the outside, they're moving forward with their lives. Inside, their heart is broken over the death, the unsolved death of their five-year-old girl, Siobhan McGinnis. You know, I want to go back to you, Ray Caputo. I didn't realize she had been stabbed so many times. What can you tell me about COD, cause of death? Well, she was raped, she was beaten, and she was stabbed. And, you know, given that this is a five-year-old girl, I mean, what kind of monster can look a little child, an innocent child in the eyes and do that

but she was not in good shape. I mean, she was hurt pretty badly and ultimately stabbed to death. To Chris Byers, former police chief, Johns Creek, when you come upon a body like that, you've got a child, a five-year-old little girl in a snowbank. You've been looking for her for days. One, how do you separate your emotions from what you've got to do right then at the scene? And where do you start? You know, dealing with child cases, child murders, child rapes, there's nothing worse in my 25 years that I ever dealt with was that. And you just learn to compartmentalize these things and just rely on your training. Your training kicks in at that point.

You've got a job to do. You know you want to get answers to this. You know you want to bring somebody to this you know you want to bring somebody to justice so that's what motivates you at this point um you know things in the 70s i'm sure were a lot different than they would be today coming up on this because when we approach these type cases where there's a body where there's a sexual assault we're thinking dna right off the bat the responding officers that are getting there we're we're setting up you know perimeters we're knowing that we have to protect these minuscule cells that make up this dna um in the 70s you know i'm not real sure i know dna became a criminal thing in the 80s but when you come to a scene like

this i mean the first thing you're doing when it's a child it's usually obvious that there's been sexual assault you start looking at the sex registries within the area and you start sending units to those houses and you start, you know, you go in, you're searching for the child or you're searching for any evidence at this point. But you're hitting that sexual predator registry pretty quick to begin here because that's usually going to be it's not the first time that the person's done this. It's going to be they've done this repeatedly. And so that's how you start it. But again, coming up on these things in 2020 and 1974 are a huge difference, I would imagine. And the family sits by twiddling their thumbs, doing what they can, but ultimately giving up any hope that the killer would ever be caught.

Take a listen to Siobhan's dad yes they they had a lot of of course they'll talk to many people about her and they had a good good sense of who she was and even at that young age I think she was quite a remarkable child and many many people many people will say that. Her teachers say that. She was just a wonderful person and precocious. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the kidnap, rape, and murder of a five-year-old little girl. How did it happen?

Who took her? Decades pass and the case stays cold. Back to Dr. Tim Gallagher joining me, the medical examiner for the state of Florida. Dr. Gallagher, when you are searching the body of a child like this, does it cross your mind that whatever you find on her body may just sit on a shelf for the next 40 years, but ultimately may end up proving the case? I mean, what goes through your mind and how do you disassociate from the fact that you're working on the body of a dead child? Well, that's always the difficult part, Nancy. And, you know, we at the medical examiner's offices are human beings with children of our own. And sometimes it is very difficult to

do these things. But, you know, in our minds, we need to get closure for the family. We need to solve the case. We need to help solve the case. And it's that type of internal drive that enables us to do the work that we do. And getting back to the other question, you know, collecting DNA, the technology that we use to collect DNA is vastly different from 47 years ago when this case took place. Our methods of collecting it allow the DNA to become more stable over the longer periods of time. So yes, not only do we collect samples for the case, but we do it in duplicate because we know that there is a chance that that can sit on the shelf for 50 years, maybe even 100 years. And we have to believe in the technology that we have now, that DNA would be examinable and a good sample even 100 years from now.

And now joining us is the CEO of AuthRAM Incorporated, the company that did the ID work with DNA on this case at AuthRAM.com. David, thank you for being with us. How did you get involved in Siobhan's case? So we have a laboratory. We're the only folks in the United States that do this kind of advanced testing fully in-house. And we have a laboratory that can work from evidence that's been either deemed unsuitable or insufficient by other test methods. And so we got involved because there was evidence remaining at this crime scene. It was very little. It was about 50 cells worth of DNA left.

And it just wasn't suitable. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, hold on. You've got me drinking from the fire hydrant. I've got a JD. That's true. But I'm not a chemist or a biologist or a scientist. So I'm trying to digest what you're saying. You said you had 50 cells. Now, I do know this.

I just helped the twins get through their nuclear science merit badge. I learned a lot about atoms and protons and neutrons and particles. What do you mean by a cell? When you have 50 cells, how big is that? Do I need to look under a microscope to see it? Yeah, this is a super tiny quantity. To give you a perspective, if you do a medical or a maybe an ancestry test with a consumer company, you know, in science quantities, you'll be collecting between 750 to like a thousand nanograms is what they call it. We're talking about quantities that are like, you know, somewhere between a half a nanogram to like a quarter of a nanogram. So these are these are minute quantities.

I don't know what a nanogram is. Does it fit in a thimble? It's like a it's like a super tiny amount of DNA. And so. OK, no offense, David Metalman, because you're the scientist. I'm just a trial lawyer. But super tiny does not sound like a scientific amount to me. You got you got dummy down, man. But super tiny does not sound like a scientific amount to me.

You got to dumb me down, man. 50 grams. What is that? Does it fit in a teaspoon? Does it sit on the top of a needle? What is that? I mean, like a single cell would be so tiny you would need a high-powered scope to be able to see it. Now I'm getting it. We're getting down to on the top of a pen thing.

So 50 cells, I can't even see that with the naked eye. Yeah, and in fact, not only can you not see it, but most forensic methods will not be able to access or see that amount of DNA either. And then on top of it, on top of it being a small amount of DNA, it's also old. It's from 1974. So it degraded. When DNA gets old, it begins to break into little itty bitty pieces. And that makes it also hard to analyze. So you have DNA that is a small amount, but also in itty bitty pieces. And it's probably been, you know, it's been stored in the best that they could store, but it's been sitting around since 1974. James Shelnut, 27 years, Metro major case, now lawyer, is actually starting to

make my head hurt, physically hurt, because I feel like I'm back in the courtroom with a, there's no such thing as bad DNA. We're lucky to have DNA. But when I hear him saying this, it just seems almost insurmountable. And that's all we have in this case. Yeah, there's not a lot to go on. And so that's what we specialize in, is these cases that are intractable. And there's a lot of other cases like this.

There are cases where there's evidence, there's DNA. And like you said, no DNA is bad. It's great to have DNA. cases where there's evidence there's dna and like you said no dna is bad it's great to have dna but sometimes there's not enough dna or dna is not suitable for one reason or another and and the case can't move forward and just in the last couple years you had 50 50 cells naked to the invisible. When you look through a microscope, can you tell, is it skin? Is it hair? Is it touch DNA? Is it sperm?

Can you tell that by looking through the microscope? Sure, sure. You can tell sometimes what kind of cell type it is. And that's, in fact, how they do some of these examinations to look if a sexual assault has occurred. They're looking for something that looks like sperm. What was this? Was it blood? What was it?

This was semen from a sexual assault kit. Okay. So this is semen taken from inside or the outside of this five-year-old girl's body. Okay. What kind of test? David Middleman joining me, the CEO of Authoram. And praise God you exist. I mean, I don't know if you believe in God.

Maybe you're a strict chemist and maybe it doesn't make sense to you. But without Authoram and people like you and people like Cheryl LaPointe, the genetic genealogist, these cases would never, ever be solved. So when you look through the microscope, you see this, you know, it's sperm, you know, it's degraded, you've only got 50 cells. What do you do then? What kind of test did you run on it? So we have a way of, you know, in a traditional forensic test, you're looking at, you know, these markers, they make up what people call the CODIS test. And it's 20 markers, 20 spots in your DNA. What we're doing is very different. We're looking at tens of thousands

to hundreds of thousands of markers in the DNA. And so we collect, it's not only that we're working with these challenging kind of sources of DNA, but we're also collecting tremendous amounts of information. And that information that we collect is the information that Shara and other folks can use to then do relationship testing and comparisons that allow you to help kind of build out that genetic genealogy part. David Middleman, when I asked you what test you ran, I didn't really understand your answer. You said you were looking at thousands of data points. Is there a name to the test? And also, how accurate is that test? Sure. Those are good questions. So,

the test that we run is called forensic grade genome sequencing. It's a forensic test. Oh, whoa, wait, wait. David, is this just like a game to you? You know I don't know what you just said. Now, slow down. Talk regular people talk. What did you just say? don't know what you just said now slow down talk regular people talk what did you just say it's a what test it's a forensic grade genome sequencing so all the dna in your cell is your genome and we use a technique called sequencing to to access information about lots of markers at once tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands and it's designed specifically for forensics it's the first of its kind test that is only for forensic DNA which allows us like I said to access DNA that otherwise would be not usable and so the

whole name is forensic grade genome sequencing and and we collect as I said tens of thousands to hundreds thousands of markers and so with that much information you can make very very very accurate and precise measurements of relationship. The other thing that I'll note is that the work that we do at Offerum is, it's investigational. And so you'll appreciate this, you know, with the lawyer and trial background. We start with a CODIS test, right? That's, you know, a profile has been uploaded to CODIS. It doesn't match a known identity. Then we do our test, which complements that.

And in generating data, you need to find somebody. And then at the end, you do another CODIS style test to confirm that the work that we did was correct and we produced the right identity. And so what's nice about it is CODIS is exceptional at being an accredited, involved, vetted test in court to confirm identity. It's just that CODIS isn't always good at finding people. And so what we do is we find people and then we work with folks to use the conventional forensic testing to confirm. And so that makes it very accurate, but also very

powerful. This is neither here nor there, but I've just got to know this. David Middleman, how did you end up in this line of business? What led you there? Well, I've been doing DNA testing my whole working life. I'm a one-trick pony. It's all I've ever done, DNA testing. And I started in the Human Genome Project in the 90s. This was the original project to map out all the DNA, all the DNA letters of a human being.

And so this was in the 90s. And then I fell in love with DNA and mostly biomedical research and medicine, but I've done that for a couple of decades. And there's actually 20 of us. I have to mention it's not just me. It's a whole team of us that have worked in biomedicine and in medical testing. And we've helped bring a lot of this technology to that field, to medicine. And we came to this realization a few years ago that you can go to any street corner and get a medical test now for whatever you think might ail you. But what street corner can you go to to solve a cold case?

And so we made a decision to drop what we were doing in the biomedical research and clinical space. There's lots of great people there and bring this very powerful DNA testing technology to an area that's underserved, but has lots of cold cases. There's hundreds of thousands of cases that could possibly benefit from this approach. And so we all jumped on and we started the company off from... Okay, wait a minute. David, I'm just trying to figure out, when you were a little boy, did you think up in your treehouse, wow, I'm going to become an expert in forensic-grade genome sequencing?

I didn't anticipate that I would be talking to lawyers and working with law enforcement. But when I was a little boy, I was really curious what DNA was and what it means and how it makes us who we are. And so I've been lifelong fascinated with DNA and genetics. But I've just followed that, you know, wherever it goes. And I've always looked for a way to do good for the world. And this seemed like a good opportunity to, like I said, I'm a one-trick pony. So I have to look for where DNA can be applied. I don't think that I would refer to you as a one-trick pony, David Middleman, CEO of Othram, O-T-H-R-A-M, Inc., that did the DNA ID in this case.

God bless you. Yeah, it's a huge team project. So it's a lot of folks that were involved, but we're very excited to be one of those team players to help bring this case to a close. David, how long did it take for you to come up with the answers to who it is, who the PERT was? So there's two parts. There's two parts to this project, right? You have to generate that set of information, the markers, and that was a 12, that's a 12-week process. But then there's two parts to this project right there's you have to generate that set of information the markers and that was a 12 that's a 12-week process but then there's the genealogy component and in this case um we actually worked the fbi this is a steve kramer and steve bush at the fbi

they have a genealogy division and they did the research on this case and so so sometimes we get contracted to build a profile and do the identifying work. Sometimes we're just contracted to build a profile. And this time we did the profile. This was in a partnership with Nancy Grace. We are talking to a brilliant scientist who, along with police, crime scene techs, investigators, somehow managed to put this 40-plus-year-old case back together again, David Middleman. But now I want you to hear from Chief Jason White with the Missoula PD. We are here today to discuss the closure of a 46-year-old

case. On February 5th, 1974, five-year-old Siobhan McGinnis was abducted within a few blocks of her Northside neighborhood home. Tragically, two days later, she was found deceased near the Tura exit off of Interstate 90. Despite all of the exhaustive hours by detectives over the past four decades, the case has remained unsolved and open. In 2019, the Missoula Police Department reached out to the newly formed Missoula County Sheriff's Office Cold Case Squad for assistance.

Through modern DNA technology and assistance from state and federal law enforcement partners, the Cold Case Squad was able to identify a suspect. The suspect has been identified as Richard William Davis. Suspect Davis was born on November 7, 1941, and most recently resided in Cabot, Arkansas. What more do we know? Take a listen to Michael Aaron. The Missoula County Sheriff's Office says DNA evidence from the scene of the killing matches that of Richard William Davis. According to the FBI, Davis moved to North Little Rock in the late 1970s, then lived in Cabot from the late 1980s until his death in 2012. It was through cooperation with the suspect's family that we were able to get information that conclusively linked suspect Davis to Siobhan's murder. That's because DNA evidence from the crime scene reanalyzed in 2019 partially matched the DNA of a family member of Davis who had sent a DNA sample into a consumer database. Wow and here from THV 11. Davis had no known ties to Missoula and police say he was just

passing through when McGinnis disappeared. And we are just completely overwhelmed by the science, the dedication, the hard work that has gone into everything that you have done. Una McGinnis never met her half sister, but that doesn't change the pain. Certainly affected our family for many decades. She and her family have felt. 46 years is a very long space of time to be in a state of unending grief and immense sorrow for what is beautiful and amazing as she fought. That pain now met with a sense of peace and gratitude for those who brought them a long-awaited answer. We are just completely overwhelmed by the science, the dedication, the hard work that has gone into everything that you have done.

He described it as unending grief and sorrow. Out to Ray Caputo, lead news anchor, WDBO. What do we know about this guy? It doesn't really paint the picture of a child rapist or a murderer. It says he was a loving husband, dad, and grandfather. He was married. He had four daughters of his own. He was a born-again Christian. And also, some of his jobs are kind of alarming, given what he's accused of doing. He was a missionary in the 60s. He worked at an Arkansas school for the deaf and the blind,

and he even drove a school bus in the 70s in Alaska. So Williams has been around kids many parts of his life. Yeah, almost everything you're saying, Ray Caputo, he's seeking out jobs with children just like Siobhan. Listen to Una McGinnis. He left behind a widow. the detective said that it's extremely rare for this type of criminal to have main because that's just not normally the case when they're looking at this type of criminal behavior he moved around a lot um he would move suddenly uh he would tell his wife you know i've got a job lined up in florida We're moving right now. We're leaving today.

Pack everything up, move kids. And then they'd get to Florida and there would not, in fact, be the job. And it would kind of have been a lie that he told the family to relocate quickly. So currently, the Missoula Police Department and the FBI are reaching out to the many places where he lived and suddenly moved his family to, to let them know that if they have cold cases, that this DNA profile is now available. So now police are trying to compare his DNA profile to all the many places he lives. In my mind, he fits the profile perfectly. What about it, James Shelnut?

Yeah, where do you begin with this guy? I was thinking the exact same thing. There's so many places to start, but I'll make it brief. I'm going to start on the opposite end. A born-again Christian goes back and admits what he's done wrong. And I will tell you, it doesn't sound like this guy admitted anything. He left his parents in the bar for 46 years. I also am under the belief and have experienced that people who commit these crimes against children, these predators, you don't just find one victim. And I would love to see the police agencies involved in this investigation

go back and contact other police agencies where this guy has lived at and say hey if you've got anything unsolved or anything uh any dna that you've got laying around that you think matches this guy uh during this time frame he lived here you need to run it on this database i would not be surprised if more than one victim turned up. Is justice delayed? Justice denied. Many parties in this case have now passed on. Passed on before the case was ever solved. I think, no,

there is still justice. Justice for Siobhan. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.