Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Affluenza Teen Busted Again, Threatens to Bite off Finger, Walks Free After Three Rape Claims

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

Bowen Turner is back behind bars. The South Carolina man accused of three rapes was arrested for disorderly conduct and given bail, but Turner denied bail on another charge stemming from a probation violation. Turner, 19, was arrested on Mother’s Day and after his arrest, he allegedly called a female jailer the "B-word" and tried to bite off the finger of another. This latest incident happens after a controversial sentence was handed down in April. Orangeburg County Court Judge Markley Dennis sentenced Turner to five years of probation as part of a plea for assaulting a woman in 2019. The charge was reduced from an earlier charge of first-degree criminal sexual conduct, even though the victim was willing to testify and it was the third sexual assault accusation against Turner in less than two years.  Ankle monitoring logs show that Turner violated his previous bond dozens of times, visiting golf courses, restaurants, shopping centers and even going out of state. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Chloe Bess - Victim  Karl Stoller -  Victim Dallas Stoller's father Sarah Ford - Legal Director, South Carolina Victim Assistance Network, SCvanLegal.org,  Former Prosecutor focusing on Crimes Against Women and Children, Facebook: "SCVAN Legal Services Program", Adjunct Professor, Claflin University & South Carolina State University Topo Padilla - Bail Bondsman 39 years (Sacramento, CA) President, Professional Bail Agents of the United States, Greg Padilla Bail Bonds; Instagram/Twitter: @TopoPadilla,  Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist; Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark" Katie Kamin - Breaking News Anchor / Investigative Reporter, Live 5 News (Charleston, SC), Twitter: @KatieKaminTV, Facebook: "Katie Kamin TV"  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Is this the tip of the iceberg? Are there more victims out there? What does this guy have to do to get arrested and put behind bars? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. Take a listen to Hour Cut 11, our friends at WCSC Live 5. Court records show 19-year-old Bowen Turner was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct

this morning. According to a report from the Orangeburg County Sheriff's Office, when a deputy arrived on North Road in Orangeburg just before midnight, they found Turner walking in the middle of the road. The deputy put on the blue lights and when Turner started walking toward the car, the report states he was staggering and smelled like alcohol. According to officials, Turner said at first he was coming from a bar, but then changed his answer to say he was coming from the woods. The report states Turner waved his Miranda rights and answered the questions the deputy asked, saying he had been at a bar on North Road near Lake Edisto Road, where he had consumed three alcoholic drinks despite being underage.

Officials say while at the detention center, Turner was told he had to wear a mask, and he responded by saying, if you try and put that mask on me, I will bite your finger off. According to the report, Turner was told he was being recorded, and then he allowed a mask to be put on him. Okay, that right there tells me he knows darn well what he's doing. When he realizes he's being recorded, he suddenly straightens up and puts on the mask. You know, just think about it. If this guy,

drunk as a skunk, can do whatever he wants with immunity, he's on straight probation on his third rape accusation. I find his victims extremely credible. Now he can walk into a bar underage and drink three liquor drinks. Thank you for being with us. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us on Fox Nation Series XM 111. Sometimes it leaves you speechless.

Staggering around drunk, that's bad enough. But with three rape claims under your belt, take a listen to our cut one. The father of Dallas Dollar says in 2018 his daughter was the president of her senior class, smart and outgoing. A friend to almost everyone she met, that was just her. She had a huge heart. One night Dallas came home from a party intoxicated, distraught, and covered in these bruises, saying she had been sexually assaulted. It was very upsetting obviously and very disheartening and very I like to use the word tragic once we found out who the alleged individual was. Dallas's family says they later pressed charges against her classmate 16 year old Bowen Turner. Public

records show he was arrested and charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct in Bamberg County in January of 2019. Turner was released on bond but was required to wear a GPS monitor. A few months later, a judge allowed him to remove it. But less than five months after that first arrest while he's still out on bond, he's arrested again. Listen to cut two. But less than five months after that first arrest, while he was still out on bond, court documents show Turner was arrested again. He was slapped with that same charge, first degree criminal sexual conduct. An affidavit reveals the arrest also stems from a party, this time in Orangeburg County. The victim was not named because she was a minor at the time, but Chloe Best says she was the one sexually assaulted

by Turner in June of 2019 when she was 16. I just remember being like so petrified, like I was frozen. I honestly just remember sitting there looking at the stars, just like praying for it to be done, just waiting for it to be over with you're hearing chloe bess one of bowen turner's many victims and she's joining us today along with carl stoller this is another rape victim dallas stoller's father you heard his voice earlier describing his daughter as having great grades, the class president. She was bullied so badly by other students and teachers when she leveled rape claims against Bowen Turner. This little girl committed suicide.

And there's a third victim that is a juvenile, a third-rate victim, whose name we are not releasing. They are joining us along with Sarah Ford, the legal director of South Carolina Victim Assistance Network, Karen Stark, New York psychologist, joining us out of Manhattan, Katie Kamen, breaking news anchor, investigative reporter on the case from the very beginning, and Topo Padilla, breaking news anchor, investigative reporter on the case from the very beginning, and Topo Padilla, bail bondsman, longtime friend, 39 years in the business,

and president of Professional Bail Agents of the U.S. Katie Kamin, what is going on? Where is this guy, Bowen Turner, stumbling around drunk? It's happening again in Orangeburg where one of these rape cases took place in that same county where Bowen is from, where he went to school, where he, I guess, still is hanging out. Hanging out. I guess that's one way to put it. What I don't understand, Sarah Ford, is why a bar would let him, I mean, at first they said, we don't know if he came walking out of the woods or from a bar. Well, unless they're serving hard liquor out behind a pine tree, I guarantee you he came from a bar, which leads me to the bar. What bar was this

serving an underage rapist? I think there's some allegations, Nancy, that it was a bar named Tad. Tad, T as in toy, A-D as in Delta? Yes. Mm-hmm. But I don't think that that has been confirmed. But there were some allegations that he spent upwards of $100 in that establishment. Whoa, whoa, whoa. $100 at one sitting?

That's my understanding. Okay, Carl Stoller, it ain't a crime unless you're underage. So what bar is selling this underage rapist $100 worth of liquor? How many drinks is that buying? More than three. We can agree on that much. Carl Stoller? Yes, ma'am. I would say so. That's probably, unless it's three very large drinks. I don't know if it's, what do you call them, towers or whatever? So maybe it's something like that. But anyway, nevertheless, like Sarah Ford said, I think it's supposedly or allegedly a bar out on what we call the North Road in Orangeburg County.

And it's known as Tad's Bar. That's what is allegedly the establishment he was in and spent $100 plus on. I'm assuming that I have to assume based on the reason for his arrest on alcoholic beverages, ma'am. What do we know? Back to you, Katie Cameron, joining me with Live 5 there in Charleston. Was it, did he spend $100 on booze just for himself? According to police, that report, just drink three alcoholic drinks at that business is all we know for sure. Do you know what business it is?

Is it Tad's? It is Tad's. What was listed in the police report, yes. Mr. Stoller, I know that Tad's is located on the North Road. What else can you tell me about it? How could they not know in a town the size of, an area the size of Orangeburg County, much the size of where I grew up, how could you not know that this is accused serial rapist an area the size of Orangeburg County, much the size of where I grew up.

How could you not know that this is accused serial rapist Bowen Turner and that he's underage? Well, yes, ma'am. I don't know how they would not know that. Obviously, that establishment, I've been there on an official capacity before a couple of different times times but it's got multiple TVs in there so there certainly is access to media and news and that establishment so I would guess they would know or be familiar with that subject mr. Bowen Turner and obviously based on all his press releases all the information has been released in the media on that it should know that he is not of age to purchase alcohol legally in South Carolina so I said that that would be my I don't know how you can miss that but you know hey it could have been an off night for him I don't know but I don't know if he

presented a false identification or any of that type situation but I don't know if he presented a false identification or any of that type situation, but I couldn't speak to that for sure. But I would dare say, yes, ma'am, I'm pretty sure they should have known that he was easily identifiable. Yes, ma'am. Straight back out to Sarah Ford joining me, the legal director, South Carolina Victims Assistant Network. Sarah Ford, what does it take to get somebody arrested in Orangeburg County, South Carolina? Well, apparently they have to be buying alcohol underage and walking down the street drunk. I mean, I guess that's, at least that was the first part of this. And obviously he was charged with disorderly conduct and then subsequently slapped with a violation of probation warrant for which bond was thankfully denied

so he won't be walking down the street hopefully anytime soon as he's currently housed in the orangeburg calhoun regional detention center and Regional Detention Center. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Straight out to Topo Padilla, bailed bondsman 39 years and president of the Professional Bail Agents of the U.S. Topo, thank you for being with us. What do you make of a guy that keeps getting bail or bond, as it is called in different jurisdictions, over and over and over, including on three felony rape charges on young girls, all similar MO, modus operandi, method of operation,

and violating it so badly. He's got over 60 violations on his ankle monitor, going to play golf, out to restaurants, to other private residences, restaurants where there's alcohol like this place, even crossing the state line. I mean, how do you get away with that? Well, when a judge sets bond or it's set by schedule, the objective there is first and foremost, public safety. And, you know, no amount of money can guarantee public safety, but there is amount of money in which it stings you have skin in the game and in our instance we have co-signers indemnifiers on a bond and you hope and pray that

changes the um the ways of these people that are arrested that's our first objective secondly and as importantly for the victims of crime is that these people appear in court you know that is our basically our number one objective once bond is set so to to ask why is this guy out again and again and again i mean granted we are the one of the two countries in this world that have uh surety bond so we do afford people the ability to bail themselves out of jail but the fact of the matter is when people like this are not learning, at some point the justice system, the judge needs to step in and say, that's enough. And it sounds like this gentleman did that. And I got a comment about him going to this bar and doing that $100 bill. The fact of the matter is what makes me sick is to think of he possibly could have been in there buying young ladies or ladies drinks in an effort to get them into a condition of incapacitation to continue his wrongful activities.

Topo Padilla, that is exactly where I was headed. Exactly. And I want to point out that Bowen Turner gets arrested for disorderly conduct. That's not the end of the world being staggering around drunk. But when you're a three-time rapist and you're already on probation and you're underage, but catch this, he's booked on a DC and then he is released after posting a $257 bond. He's back in right now on a violation of his probation. But he was initially released on $257 on a DC, disorderly conduct. Back to what Topo Padilla just told us. You can find him at gregpadillabailbonds.com.

I want to go to a very special guest joining me in addition to Dallas Dollar's Father Carl. Chloe Bess is with me. She is one of Bowen Turner's rape

victims. And you know what, Chloe, since you and I first talked, I've thought about you a lot. And it brings to mind a serial rape case I prosecuted. And you know what, Chloe, since you and I first talked, I thought about you a lot. And it brings to mind a serial rape case I prosecuted. And I remember it like it was yesterday. It was long before I had gotten a job at Court TV. They, Court TV, were covering, wanted to cover a serial rape case. They had already covered gavel to gavel, a murder case I tried. And they approached me about covering the rape case. And I immediately said, no, no cameras in the courtroom. The rape victims do not want to be on camera for your viewers.

Later, a couple of days later, I told the rape victims that Court TV was interested and cared about their case. And I turned them down. And the rape victims, and I remember it just like it was yesterday, said, why? We didn't do anything wrong. We don't care if people know it's us. He's the one that did something wrong. Well, and sure enough, I called Court TV back. They did cover the case gavel to gavel.

There was conviction, let me add. But, Chloe Best, to this day, rape victims very often do not speak out. And I am so grateful for you, Chloe. And I'm so grateful for you, Mr. Stoller, speaking on Dallas's behalf. Chloe, when you first learned that Bowen Turner is out staggering around drunk, and I think he was drunk the night he raped you, what went through your mind? I was really shocked. I mean, I figured it was only going to be a matter of time before

he messed up again or did something because he obviously can't learn from his mistakes or take any responsibility for his actions. So like I said, it was only a matter of time. I just couldn't believe it was so soon. But I'm glad that he was denied bond and it just validates the points that we're trying to make. Accused serial rapist Bowen Turner arrested again, stumbling through his South Carolina hometown, stinking, and I mean stinking drunk. Now, he was given a $257 bond. To Topo Padilla, Bill Bondsman, a $257 bond? I've never heard of that.

Where do you get that number? They let him out initially. Yeah, that, you know, you have to skin in the game. A $257 surety bond costs a family or a defendant about $50. And then you have to look at the accountability aspect of it. Is a bondsman going to go out if this person does fail to appear in court and search for them so they don't lose $257? There has to be skin in the game, and we have to be real with this. I don't call for a $25,000 bond, but $257 is a slap in the face to the society that had to put up with this disorderly conduct and the danger it could cause to the community. I'm more worried about how it

makes the rape victims feel to see him staggering around town drunk on probation and alcohol and drugs are disallowed when you are on probation. So that's a probation violation right there. I mean, Chloe, it just seems as if none of the rules apply to Bo and Turner. Right. You know, Sarah Ford, legal director, South Carolina Victim Assistance Network, $257 bond on a three-time rapist? It's my understanding, Nancy, that that is the max that a magistrate can give on a public disorderly conduct in South Carolina. So it's a little bit troubling considering his past history.

But thankfully. Well, why wouldn't they hold him on a probation violation? They attempted to do that. I believe that that's what they tried to do that morning, and a hold was placed on him, and that's why he was actually held. I mean, I'm very grateful that probation was able to get there as quickly as possible, because a lot of times a defendant is given a bond like that, $257, they're released, and then probation has to go hunting for them. So I was grateful that it all happened relatively quickly and that Vaughn was finally denied, and at least we know where

he's at. Well, Chloe Bass, one Bowen Turner's rape victim, said it best. She said, I didn't think it'd be long before he, quote, did something else, because as you know, when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. Take a listen to our cut for WCSC. According to court documents, Turner's GPS monitor showed he visited dozens of different places, including 19 trips to golf courses, as well as outings to restaurants, sporting goods stores, and even a car dealership. Documents say the GPS monitor showed him taking trips to Columbia, Graniteville,

and even crossing state lines to Brunswick, Georgia. Chloe, her family, and Dallas's family all say more should have been done as soon as it was discovered that Turner had violated bond. As court documents state, law enforcement has the authority to take him into custody if he violates his bond. We have multiple bond violations. He was out on bond when this happened to Chloe. So it's just like he just keeps getting pass after pass after pass. Got a question for you, Mr. Stoller. We have been told that his family, Bowen Turner's family, has actually contacted parents of the rape victims, asking them to stop speaking publicly because it was, quote, dampening his bright future. Do you know anything about that?

Yes, ma'am, I can speak to that. And let me clear that up a little bit. There was someone, a person called my wife, an individual called my wife. It's been two or three weeks ago now on a Wednesday night. And they were asking, they identified themselves as by the name of Adam. And they called from a blocked number and that was the conversation that was that took place that when they said you know listen we understand it that and boy I'm sorry and he's he's very sorry for what happened to Dallas and what he did to Dallas and that type

of thing he was going with this individual went on and on about that and then of course my wife responded in that during that conversation that individual adam stated that um bowen turner has a very bright future and um it would be brighter and it would be more likely to be successful if we were to lay off of him so to speak and um not bring so much attention to the case and that type of situation. So my wife responded by saying, well, you know, our daughter Dallas had a very bright future as well. And she'll never get a chance to realize that bright future that she certainly had the potential of having. And they really didn't respond to that they just went back into their same statement about he was sorry and but we really needed to lay off of him and

then approximately two three days later I received on my phone a unblocked number from a Jennifer Turner who is Bowen's mother's name is Jennifer Turner that's what it came up on as on my telephone I missed that first call completely hadn't and then I saw where I missed a call from that number and then again about an hour later I was around 10 30 on Saturday morning then about an hour later my phone rang again and it showed up under Jennifer Turner and again it you know this is that's a fairly common common name and it showed up under Jennifer Turner. And again, you know, that's a fairly common name and it could be coincidental. But in light of all the circumstances, I don't think that's a coincidence. But we made contact. I did not take the call.

We made contact with Sarah Ford, our attorney, and she asked us to block the numbers and, you know, make sure that we didn't didn't have any contact. But yes, ma'am, that was that was our family that was made some contact by a gentleman. They are individuals that named themselves as Adam and then two attempts by a Jennifer Turner name that showed up on my caller ID. Yes, ma'am. I'm going to get to the blasphemy of what you just said and reported. But first, Sarah Ford, legal thought. I would be very curious to find out. And this is in the case of Dallas Stoller, which apparently some people think is unprosecutable because she has passed away. That's BS right there. You can prove a case without the victim on the stand.

And one way you can do it is through statements of the defendant. Statements like telling people, such as his parents, I'm sorry for what I did to Dallas. Because you're just hearing Carl Stoller stating the first Adam, not my real name, that called Dallas's mother, said he's sorry. He's sorry for what he did to Dallas. I think that phone call needs to be traced to find out who Adam is. And how does Adam know that Bowen Turner's sorry for what he did, i.e. rape Dallas Stoller? That is an admission.

And there is no parent-child privilege, like attorney-client or priest-parishioner privilege. There's no such thing like a husband-and-wife privilege. That doesn't exist between mother, father, and child. So if he exhibited, which I doubt pretty seriously, but could this be one of his relatives that he has spoken to saying, he's sorry for what he did to Dallas. Now quit talking about him. What about that? It's really wild. I think that just having, quite frankly, the nerve to reach out to the Stoller family who has, they've been through so much. They lost their daughter six months ago. And to make that call is just astounding to me.

But can we use it as evidence, Sarah? Because I believe we can. I think that it's possible. Certainly, we did report that and reported the calls from Bowen's mother, Jennifer Turner. We did file a report on that. We also filed a motion to expand the permanent restraining order

in that case. But unfortunately, Nancy, we haven't heard from the solicitor. Who is the solicitor? Who's the solicitor? We've heard rumblings. It's David Miller. It's the Second Circuit Solicitor's Office solicitor? We've heard rumblings. It's David Miller. It's the Second Circuit Solicitor's Office. Can you get his phone

number and email, please? David Miller? What is going on there? And I want to remind everybody, and Chloe Best, you'll know this better than I do, Bowen Turner's parents, didn't his father

work at the District attorney's office? Yes, he did. Still work there? Ms. Nancy, I can speak to that. Good. Tell me. No, he does not. He is no longer employed by the first judicial circuit solicitor's office. He worked in that first judicial circuit solicitor's office as an investigator. And after the incident that took place with Coy Best,

he did resign his position as investigator for that office. Second judicial circuit solicitor's office, David Miller is the deputy solicitor. He is handling, he was the one that was supposedly handling all these cases. And if I can, if it's okay for me to make this comment, his representation is a joke. But there was no affiliation between Walt Turner and that office as far as David Miller's connection. Now, he was in a whole different circuit. But no, ma'am, he is no longer part of that. Katie Cameron joining me from Live 5 News on this from the very beginning.

Katie, Bowen Turner's lawyer, last name, is it Hutto? Yes, Brad Hutto, who is a South Carolina state senator. Not just a South Carolina state senator. He is the ranking Democrat in the South Carolina state senate. Is that right? I believe that is correct. High profile lawyer. And as a matter of fact, him having that position in South Carolina State Senate gives him an opportunity to weigh in on who and who is not named judge. Isn't that true, Sarah Ford? It is. It is absolutely true. Our legislature is one of the only states, I believe Virginia is the only other one, where our legislature elects judges.

Karen Stark, I'm telling you, I don't know what's going on in Orangeburg County, South Carolina. You got a three-time rapist. You know what, Karen? Hold on. I want you to hear Chloe Best, Karen Stark. I want you to hear Chloe Bess, Karen Stark. I want you to hear her because me ranting about this guy's DC disorderly conduct doesn't mean a thing until you hear Chloe Bess and you hear Mr. Stoller's story. Chloe, what happened to you? I mean, unfortunately, I was taken advantage of in the worst way possible. I know that. I know that you were at a party and you were with your brother and some friends.

And your brother and the friend left, I think, to go get food. And in that interim, you decided you wanted to leave. You step outside the house party to call your brother to tell him, come and get me. I'm waiting outside. And that is when you are tackled by Bowen Turner, dragged between a car and a tree line where no one could see you and you were raped. That's the way I recall from what you told me. Yes ma'am. And then you had went home distraught but first you went inside and you told me that you looked in the mirror and it didn't even seem like you. Yes, ma'am. Not at all. When you think back on that moment, Chloe,

what goes through your mind? It's a lot of emotions when I think about that because it was very, it was probably one of the weirdest things because like I said it was like I wasn't even looking at myself and so I just didn't know how to feel and so when I look back on it I can feel all of the you know the sadness the how scared I was, all of that. In the moment, I couldn't really feel that, though, because I was just so shocked. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Mr. Stoller.

Yes, ma'am. I know I hate when people just out of the blue ask me about my fiance's murder. If I bring it up, I don't feel as bad about it. Yes. But when somebody else brings it up, it's just like throwing cold water in my face. I could be having a perfectly fine day and then I have to think about him getting shot five times in the face and the head and the back. Would

you please tell the story about Dallas? Because me going on and on and on about Bowen Turner being drunk and disorderly. Nobody cares.

Right. They have to know why it's so significant. He's walking free again. Yes, ma'am. I'd be happy to speak about it. Yes, ma'am. My daughter, Dallas Stoller, went to a party in Bamberg County, which is the next county over in Orangeburg County ended a party that night and she was at the party and at some point during the night

she went outside and went to from what I remember and what I was told that she went outside to attempt to use the bathroom in a wooded area and she was and I'll say this say it this way later identified her attacker her rapist as Bowen Turner and she was followed into the wood line with by this gentleman and he this young man I'm sorry so the gentleman he followed by this young man and was raped in the woods by him and of course brought eventually got home to our house where we found out she had been assaulted and she had numerous wounds on her body, bruises, strangulation marks on her neck, just a plethora of different injuries pretty much over her whole body.

She was transported to our local hospital, regional medical center, and she was, at what point we were told by her and what she told medical personnel that she had been raped by what turned out to be this subject, Mr. Bowen Turner, at that party. And that started a chain of events that were obviously, as most people know now, was life-changing for her and us as a family. And ultimately, three and a half years later, ended up in her deciding to, it was more than she could handle and took her life. She was bullied and she was made out to be a liar. And so many of these so-called important people made that so and their children and that type of thing. So that's where we are today, man.

That's why this Bowen's reoffending on another charge on what we call a misdemeanor here in South Carolina on this public disorderly conduct is significant, but I will say this not surprising to me because he doesn't have any regard for the law period and although and honestly all the law taught him that day and that hearing for Coy's case was that hey man you know the right people you got the money you can get out anything and and he basically did that and so why does he have any why in the world would he have any regard

for the law I mean he doesn't care about that you know underage drinking that doesn't matter that's a law the law doesn't apply to me raping girls that why does that matter the law doesn't apply to me and guess what guess who taught him that our court system

taught him that and so there's much to blame for all this as anybody. And thankfully, thankfully, we have one judge that was willing to hear it out and say, listen, you're not going to get back out on this, what turned out to be the probation violation point of it, because you are, you're clearly shown that you have no regard for conditions of bond, means nothing to you. And hey, you've been on probation just a month and you've already violated it. But I sat in on that bond hearing and I heard him say, he said, well, I don't understand. I've made all my court appearances. Well, big deal. You made all your court appearances, but you did what the hell you wanted to do in the interim. You know, so that doesn't make any difference to you. But again, like I said, that solicitor, David Miller and Brad Hutto, all the combination of all that, Judge Markley Dennis, everybody, they taught him.

They taught him well, didn't they? They taught him that you can do anything you want to do, and it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. That's the way I see it. Mr. Stoller, the children, my twins, just went on a week trip on their class trip. And I would go in their room. I could hardly stand it. I just totally wanted to divorce my husband because I thought if this is the way life is going to be when they go to college, God willing, I can't take it.

Well, I didn't divorce him when they came home. I don't know what's going to happen four years from now. But when you go in Dallas's room, how can you stand it? It's extremely difficult. It's extremely difficult. A flood of emotion just comes over you. And all you can think about is your. I don't look at her as a 20 year old that, that died way too soon.

I still look at her as my little girl. Karen Stark, not just what Chloe is going through and you know how much guts it takes for her. People keep asking her to tell her story over and over and over. It's the worst story of her life. Carl Stahler, I get him to tell Dallas' story over and over. Sarah Ford, the legal director, is there just fighting tooth and claw. More than the grief, I think the feeling of helplessness that nobody is doing anything, including Miller.

By the way, his number is 803-642-1557. Repeat, 803-642-1557. You don't like the way the case is being handled? Call him. Let him know. Do something. Don't just talk about it or think about it or simmer about it. Do something. I mean, that feeling of helplessness, Karen, and that's what I've heard from rape victims ever since I started prosecuting crimes. That feeling that there's nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. Nancy, good for you for giving out that phone number and absolutely a feeling of helplessness. Chloe, I am so, so sorry. What you felt, that feeling of you don't recognize yourself is disassociation, meaning you had to somehow cope. And the only way

that you could cope with that situation was to remove yourself from it unconsciously. And that is normal response to a horrific, tragic situation. And good for you. You're so brave both of you the dad chloe because this is a horrendous situation this guy was clearly going to go on and continue doing it it's who he is he's above the law and then the law comes along and shows him that he's right he can do whatever he wants to do. And it's outrageous that that was allowed. I hope you guys are able to talk to people and get out and keep talking to the public and let them know what this is like. And we have to put a stop to it. Somehow get people like this not to get parole ever. I know that Chloe's case went forward and

Bowen Turner got straight probation. I know that Dallas's case was dropped because Dallas passed away. I know that there is a juvenile victim case out there. What has become of the juvenile case? Do you know, Sarah Ford? Yes. Actually, when I got involved with these cases, I asked the solicitor's office to reopen her case, asked South Carolina Law Enforcement Division to reopen it.

SLED did, but we honestly have not ever gotten an answer. That's actually a good thing. That's a good thing, Sarah Ford, because that means there's still a rape case pending against Bowen Turner, if in fact they haven't resolved it behind the victim's back. Well, it's my understanding that, you know, they did not want to have their conversations with them. You know, there were two pending cases. This would have been a third case that was opened, closed. We asked it to be reopened. And, you know, I was told, you know, we don't want to make it look like we're going after this kid, which was obviously very problematic, just that mentality. So, you know, I think that while I would love to see Dallas's case reopened,

I would love to see this first case get the appropriate attention that it deserves. I don't know if that's going to happen, but I'm hopeful. I really am. So there are two cases. Chloe's case is resolved. Two others exist and can be reopened. Again, the number for the prosecutor, 803-642-1557. If he can't do his job, he needs to be voted out. Real simple. We wait as justice unfolds.

Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.