Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - After Mom-of-5 disappears from wealthy enclave, Hubby rips back seats from truck! WHERE'S JENNIFER DULOS?

Episode Date: September 5, 2019

The estranged husband of missing mother of five, Jennifer Dulos, arrested again on tampering charges. But could those charges lead to a murder charge? Police say her ex-husband and his new girlfriend are prime suspects. Joining Nancy Grace today: Joseph Scott Morgan: Forensics expertDr. Patricia Saunders:  Clinical PsychologistAlexis Tereszcuk: Radar Online reporterDavid Mack:    Syndicated Radio Host Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A New Canaan mother of five goes missing just after morning drop-off. Her SUV found abandoned. But where is Jennifer Dulos? The weeks pass. No new information. But in the last hours, her estranged husband, Fotis Dulos, arrested again.

But not for murder. Not for kidnapping. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The estranged husband of the beautiful New Canaan mom, Jennifer Dulos, has been arrested in the last hours in connection with the disappearance of his wife, Jennifer. Take a listen to our friends at ABC. This is the second time that Fotis Dulos has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of his estranged wife, Jennifer, a mother of five she's been missing since May 24th.

Mr. Dulos taken into custody this afternoon at his home in Farmington, and we're told he will be charged with tampering with evidence again. Dulos and his girlfriend, Michelle Traconis, have been free on a half-million-dollar bail each since their arrest in early June. At the time, they were charged with hindering prosecution and evidence tampering. Doulos has been under GPS monitoring. He is not allowed

to have contact with any of his five children. Meanwhile, no sighting of Jennifer Doulos since her disappearance. State believers believe a serious assault took place in the Dulos home. They found blood splatters and stains, along with evidence of an attempted cleanup. A man resembling Mr. Dulos was last seen on surveillance cameras dumping garbage bags in various spots in Hartford. Dulos has denied any wrongdoing, but again, he is under arrest again and again, charged with evidence tampering.

And still the big mystery, what happened to Jennifer Dulos and those five children without their mom? And in a very real sense now, also without their father. What we know right now is he is facing, this allegedly successful real estate developer, facing additional tampering with evidence charges. Now, that is not a murder make, but you've got to ask yourself, why is the estranged husband tampering with evidence? And how did this whole thing start? She, Jennifer Dulos, drops her children off at school. She's never seen again.

Her car found abandoned. To syndicated talk show host Dave Mack. Dave, I want to start at the beginning. Where did she go missing? When did she go missing? She dropped her children off at 8 a.m. The next thing we know is that she missed an 11 a.m. appointment. At 12 noon, the cleaning lady came

by and there was nobody home so the police have tightened the timeline down to the last time whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa dave mack sorry but i've got to isolate something you just said she dropped the children off at school 8 a.m and let me just tell you uh these people aren't slouches they live in a very upscale area possibly one of the most expensive areas outside of 90210. It's around the New Canaan area of Connecticut. And I learned living in New York that all the rich people would leave after work and take a train to New Canaan. I mean, they're really, really wealthy people. So I can't identify where the woman was living. The husband was living in a $4.3 million mansion, but they had split up. Long story short, this is where I'm going with this, Dave Mack.

8 a.m. to 11 a.m. With me, Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host. Joe Scott Morgan, I need you on this one. You know, when I'm up making a cup of hot tea first thing in the morning at about 5 a.m., I do not expect a kidnap to go down. What I'm saying is I've been prosecuting for many, many years, and it's much more unlikely for a violent crime to occur first thing in the morning. Now, this is just anecdotal for me, but it's rare when you see a kidnap or a murder or a violent crime occur first thing in the morning. What is that? I always say I felt perfectly, perfectly safe going out and hand delivering subpoenas first thing in the morning. What is that? I always say I felt perfectly, perfectly safe going out and hand delivering subpoenas first thing in the morning because all the dopers would still be asleep like vampires. So what is it? The crimes do happen, but it's very rare first thing in the

morning. Yeah, you're right, Nancy. I mean, even SWAT teams and drug task force, like you had stated, they will go and serve warrants at these violent offenders' homes, generally at that period of time, because you know these people are not going to be out of the bed by that time. law. I'm breaking the law. Selling dope, driving around town trying to steal things and arm rob. Mm-mm. You can set up a whole battering ram outside a doper's door at 6 a.m. They won't know anything's going on. They're dead to the world until about 3 p.m. So can I just get a yes-no on that, Joe Scott?

Yes. So Dave, Matt, you're telling me she goes missing between 8 and 11? She either wanted to disappear and get away from her life mighty early in the morning, and we don't have any signs of her clothes being packed or a bus ticket, a plane ticket, nothing like that, do we, Dave? When the police actually went to her rented home in New canaan uh they found traces of blood and obvious signs that it had been cleaned up so that the uh the maid could not realize what had happened so i'm assuming they used luminol or something along those lines to determine that it was enough blood who is they who who used luminol i'm sorry the police. The police all converged on her home to try to find her.

And again, we've got an 8 a.m. dropping off at school. By 11 a.m., she misses an appointment. And by 12 noon, the maid says there's nobody here. When the police show up to investigate, they find traces of blood at such a level that they believe it had been cleaned up in an effort to conceal it from the maid when she arrived at noon. Her family says she was, quote, afraid for her life. That's what we're learning, that she was a, quote, nervous wreck after filing for a divorce from husband Fotis Dulos, her husband of 13 years. Now, according to police, over 30 items of clothing and sponges bloodied have been found on a four-mile stretch in Connecticut.

That DNA apparently matching up, Jennifer Dulos, writes a Gone Girl style novel. And as you will recall, the Gone Girl movie, hit movie, was all about a wife that staged her own disappearance and return. Long story short, straight out to RadarOnline.com's Alexis Tereszczuk, investigative reporter. What can you tell me, Alexis, about this missing mom, Jennifer Dulos, writing a Gone Girl-style novel? So her estranged ex-husband's attorney is claiming this. He said, without saying who gave it to him, he said they were given a dark, dark novel

that Jennifer had allegedly written, and they said that it was a Gone Girl-style book. What that means is it's a wife who fakes her death and frames her husband for the death by leaving blood evidence in the house. And that's what they're saying, that they have found this book. They say that she wrote this.

This missing mother of five, five children at home, and she writes a book about taking her death, and then all of a sudden her husband's attorney has this book. The husband's lawyer also claims that she, Jennifer Dulos, has had a history of disappearing. What do you know about that? This is what this attorney has said, that she's had a history of disappearing, but her family says that this isn't true.

She has five kids. She's a devoted mother. She has been fighting in court for full custody of these kids. Everyone who knows her says that this isn't true. Yeah, Alexis, according to husband Fotis' lawyer, Jennifer wrote a 500-page Gone Girl-style script many years ago, and he is now claiming she had a, quote, troubled past and, quote, struggled with drugs her whole life. That's interesting because he's had five children with her, and I don't recall him ever calling DFAX

or causing any disturbance about the mom using drugs or ever having any problem leaving his children alone with her. Nope, none whatsoever. This is, according to her family, this is coming from out of nowhere, that these are really dirty tactics to blame a victim, and they've never heard of any of this. And this novel that she wrote she is a new york university nyu graduate in literature and she loves to write is what her mom has said

so this is just an old story that she wrote now according to jennifer's loved ones they say she was afraid for her life and was a nervous wreck their lawyers claim that this suggestion that she had written a gone girl novel is just a desperate attempt to slander Jennifer. Crime Stories with evidence charge. Welcome back. I'm Nancy Grace. As of right now, defense attorneys for Fotis Dulos comment on his most recent arrest in connection with the disappearance of his wife, Jennifer. Listen to this. What are we here for today? Well, that's an existential question I'm not prepared to answer.

Why are you here? Well, we're here because question I'm not prepared to answer. Why are you here? Well, we're here because we understand that Mr. Dulos has been charged with an additional count of tampering with evidence. What can you say to that? Not a whole lot at this point. I mean, if this were Christmas morning, I'd be saying I waited all these months for this paltry gift. There's not much here that we hadn't heard before, and I question the wisdom of these charges at this late date. The requirement to make another bond seems simply a stunt on the state's part to try to wear down our will to resist. We've pled not guilty to the pending charges.

We intend to plead not guilty to these charges, and we look forward to a full day in court. When do we expect Mr. Dulos to be in court to answer to this charge? We will plead not guilty at an arraignment in Norwalk on the 12th, next Thursday, I believe. Mr. Dulos, in this particular instance here with this particular charge, what do you have to say for yourself? It's an exhausting fight. I love my children. That's about it. Where's your wife?

Where's Jennifer? We wish we knew. And we, it was very, I don't know if you've got a chance to see us talking to the state police. I have a very friendly relationship with them. I wish them well. And I wish you'd ask yourself

why you have the nerve and the audacity to ask them that question. Because if you know something the police don't know, you should go tell them. We don't know where Jennifer is. What? They do, but where's the murder charge? And where's your objectivity? Shame on you. Was it Mr. Dulos on that video, Kate?

Right now, cops have released footage from inside a Hartford trash facility. And in that facility, you see a guy that looks a lot like the husband, Fotis Dulos, throwing away what many believe is evidence. Alexis, what can you tell us? Fotis, her ex-husband, was captured on video 30 times, depositing what the police have said and sources have said was evidence. It included bloody clothing, sponges that have been connected back to Jennifer. This is all what sources are saying.

And they have been searching the trash in this town. They are meticulously searching. This is a huge trash landfill. But they have said, the authorities have said, we know exactly what we're looking for. We know when it came here. We know where it is. And we are finding everything. And they said, even the littlest bit of evidence they have, they're sending it to the medical examiner. They have dogs out there that are

trained to search, to find body fluid, blood, anything human related, and they are going to find everything they can to help connect them to this case. The search for mom of five, Jennifer Dulos, has had so many bizarre twists and turns. The husband and his girlfriend caught on camera at about 30 stops throwing out items that later allegedly had his wife's DNA on them. My, they were certainly neatniks, throwing out all that, as I call it, evidence, according to sources. But now the potential murder weapon has reared its head, but cops can't find it.

Now, I'll tell you who's probably sweating this one out, and that is her husband, Fotis Dulos, who was under suspicion in the case. But just, you know, it's never easy, never easy, because if this knife is actually connected to the murder of mother of five, Jennifer Dulos, oh no, no, no, no. I don't know where the knife is, because if this is a knife linked to Jennifer's murder, I hope you're sitting down. The knife, the alleged murder weapon, has been traded for crack cocaine. Bet you didn't see that coming. A Hartford man claims he found a knife and a bloody pillow near some trash cans. Trash cans where we already know evidence in the Jennifer Dulos disappearance was recovered.

But that he traded the knife for a five rock. A five rock. That is a five dollar piece of crack cocaine. The man, who has not been identified because he might turn out to be a witness, claims he was rummaging through a trash can just a few days after Jennifer goes missing when he spots a blue and white striped pillow. Now that's significant. Can a blue and white striped patterned pillow be matched up to the other pillows in Jennifer's home? If so, maybe this guy's telling the truth. Anyway, he said,

I can't believe this. He says he spots a blue and white striped pillow. And after he takes that out of the trash, he noticed it was soaked in blood. Now, the guy says, quote, it was about a quart of blood on the pillow all over it. I tell you, whoever got hurt got hurt real bad. I looked underneath and there was a knife under there. He wanted some crack. And he said he traded the knife to a dope dealer named Fudge. F-U-D-G-E, as in the candy. He says, quote, I put the knife in my pocket for some reason.

I was thinking stupid. I was on crack. I wanted to hit so bad. I was looking for somebody to sell me some crack. Oh. I was looking for somebody to sell me some crack. Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho. Now, we are hearing from sources that told the current paper, local paper, that this guy was actually caught on video removing items from that area the weekend Dulos went missing. The trash can where the knife and pillow were

allegedly discovered and foraged is on the same street where Dulos' estranged husband Photo Dulos was seen throwing bags into the trash cans. Whoa! The husband also caught slipping

a FedEx package into a storm drain. Now, if you see my husband, David Lynch, cramming something down a storm drain, please go get it. Cops did, and when they fished it out, it was a doctored license plate from a car Fotis Dulos once owned. Now, so far, the husband, Fotis Dulos, and his girlfriend, of course, there's a girlfriend, Michelle Chaconis, have been charged with hindering the prosecution and tampering with evidence. But what about this knife? After interviewing the guy who says he found the knife, police searched Albany Avenue and they found a bloody Vineyard Vine shirt. They believe Jennifer was wearing the day she disappeared. They also recover her bra,

sponges, and other cleaning items that test positive for Jennifer's DNA. How are we ever going to track down that knife? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is the latest in the search for a new Canaan mom of five, Jennifer Dulos. In the last hours, her estranged husband, girlfriend, separate home, the works. Fotis Dulos arrested in connection with her disappearance, but not a black SUV, and grabbing a dark piece of carpet or mat before leaning against a restaurant wall near a trash can. Now, the mat believed to be from the back of Jennifer's Chevy Suburban or from her new Canaan home. We believe her Chevy Suburban was also black.

Now, does that have anything to do with this most recent arrest? The carpet or mat reportedly was left in close proximity to where police claim they recovered a Vineyard Vines t-shirt, two mops, and sponges all stained with Jennifer Dulos' blood. Straight out to Jackie Howard. Jackie Howard, what can you tell me about the arrest? Nancy, Fotis Dulos was picked up around 2.30 Wednesday afternoon at his Farmington home. He was transported to state police barracks in Bridgeport, where he was processed and released after posting bond just before 7 p.m. Now, the warrant gives us some new details on what cops think happened to Jennifer Dulos and what role her estranged husband may have had in her death. The new charge, in part,

has to do with a pickup truck, not Dulos' Ford Raptor. In the 43-page arrest warrant, investigators say that Fotis Dulos washed it a couple of days after Jennifer disappeared. The truck, a 2001 Toyota Tacoma, is owned by Barbara Gumlany, the wife of a project manager for 4Group. That's Fotis Dulos' luxury home building business. Now, police say they believe that Fotis Dulos may have used the Toyota to transport his wife's body after he attacked her at her new Canaan home. He has not been charged for that crime. Now, investigators say they believe Jennifer Dulos was the victim of a violent attack in her home. That's based on the evidence that they found there.

They say Dulos is believed to have been lying in wait for his wife to return from dropping their children off at school. And Fotis Dulos cleaned up the crime scene between 8.05 and 10.25 a.m. Now, the warrant states that Fotis Dulos is suspected of driving Jennifer's 2017 Chevrolet Suburban that you were talking about there from her house at 10.25 and that her body was likely inside. The 2001 Toyota Tacoma arrives at Fotis Dulos' property in Farmington just after noon. In addition to having the Toyota Tacoma washed, Fotis Dulos also insisted that the seats in the truck be switched with seats from a Porsche SUV. That's according to the project manager. He has turned those seats over to the police, and they were tested and were found to contain a blood-like substance that had Jennifer's DNA.

8 a.m. to 11 a.m. With me, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensic at Jacksonville State University. Let me ask you a question. It seems to me that if she dropped her children off at school at 8 a.m. and then you find blood that seemingly is cleaned up in the home that she came back, that says to me she came back from taking them to school, and I'm wondering if she stopped anywhere along the way, McDonald's for a cup of coffee, the grocery store, whatever's open at 8 a.m., came into the home, and that's when the attack occurred because her car by 11 a.m. has been found abandoned. Yeah, I think so too, Nancy.

And I think that whoever's involved in this, they have to know her timing. They have to know that she would have taken those kids to school, and then they would have had to have had access to this area in which this blood is found. And this is going to be essential. I don't know what you're saying about access. They could break in or get in with a credit card at the door. For all I know, She left the door unlocked. But as far as timing, I believe that's when the incident occurred. I mean, it had to. If that blood wiped up is related to her disappearance. In the last

hours, we learned that the husband has given DNA samples straight out to David Mack. There have been a lot of breaks in the case. Way in. Jennifer's husband, Fotis Doulas, and his girlfriend, Michelle Traconis, they were both taken into custody and charged with hindering prosecution and tampering with evidence in relation to the disappearance of Mrs. Doulas.

Okay, that's not good. Because if they are in any way trying to cover up or tamper with evidence or keep police from finding evidence, why would they want to do that unless what other reason would they cover up evidence or tamper with evidence or obstruct police in their investigation, Dave Mack? You know, what we've got now is we've mentioned many times about the blood being cleaned up at the new Canaan rental home that Mrs. Dulos was living in. Well, they've gotten the DNA broken down from that. And prior to his arrest, Mr. Dulos actually had given a DNA sample and hair follicle samples that they're running against some of the other evidence that they found. In the last hours,

her estranged husband, Fotis Dulos, arrested again, but not for murder, not for kidnapping. You know, we now have learned that it was just last week police were searching desperately for a carpet or a mat that they believe Fotis Dulos got rid of outside of a Hartford restaurant just hours after his wife Jennifer vanishes May 24. Now, what does that mean? Why would he be outside of a restaurant getting rid of a carpet or a mat? How does that play into his most recent arrest for tampering with evidence? Now, we also know that he was having an affair with a girlfriend. That girlfriend, Michelle Traconis, both of them were arrested back in June on charges of tampering with evidence and hindering the prosecution.

It's our understanding that according to sources, the girlfriend is turning state's evidence. But she's not turning enough for a murder or kidnapping charge. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories Breaking News. The estranged husband of mom of five, Jennifer Dulos, has been arrested. Not for murder, not for kidnap, for tampering with evidence. You've got to ask yourself, why would the estranged husband of a missing mom be tampering with evidence? Now, we know he's already been arrested on one tampering with evidence charge.

But now another tampering with evidence charge. Fotis Dulos, 51, arrested. A real estate developer seemingly successful in for about $2 million to Jennifer's parents. We also know that in the last hours, Jennifer's mother has filed motions demanding that the husband, Fotis Dulos, reveal all of his financial records and any alleged sneaky dealings. We understand that he had borrowed heavily from Jennifer's parents to the tune of $1 or $2 million to prop up his construction business. Jackie Howard, what can you tell me? Jennifer's mother, Gloria Farber, has been caring for her five grandchildren

since Jennifer went missing back on May 24th. Farber filed a motion seeking all of Fotis Dulos' corporate and individual financial records. That's because Dulos is looking to get custody of his kids from Farber. Farber says, though, that Dulos doesn't have the means to support his children, claiming he has no source of income, has defaulted on mortgages, owes her late husband's estate, as you said, more than $1.7 million. Farber also claims there has not been any child support payments in more than two years. In return, his defense team has filed a motion on Jennifer's mother demanding she submit to a mental evaluation.

You know what? That's playing dirty. It is, Nancy, but you know you don't have to worry about Jennifer's mom, Gloria Farber. Take a listen to this from our friends at WTNH. Lawyers for the estranged husband of Jennifer Dulos now asking for her mother to be evaluated. A legal battle plays out over custody of the couple's children. Laura Engel is following this story for us. Laura? Hi, Sandra.

Well, the motion for psychological evaluation was filed early this morning by a lawyer representing Fotis Dulos, the family lawyer for Dulos, asking the court to appoint a psychologist to conduct this evaluation of his children's grandmother, Gloria Farber, saying they have no choice but to make such a request to ensure that his five children, who she has temporary custody of, are safe and safely cared for. Now, he claims that Gloria Farber, the mother of his estranged wife, Jennifer, has previously been psychiatrically hospitalized and had once threatened to kill herself and her late husband, adding that electric shock therapy was discussed by family members as an option for the treatment at the time. The attorney for Gloria Farber tells us she will be filing a formal written statement in

response to all this. Fotis Doulos and his girlfriend, Michelle Triconis, you'll remember, are accused of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution in the disappearance of his estranged wife, who has been missing since May 24th. Their five children have been staying with their grandmother ever since, and Fotis Doulos has not been granted access to his MOTHER EVER SINCE, AND FODUS DULOS HAS NOT BEEN GRANTED ACCESS TO HIS KIDS. JENNIFER DULOS, HER MOTHER, GLORIA FARBER, HAS RESPONDED TO A MOTION FILED ON BEHALF OF HER SON-IN-LAW, FODUS DULOS. YOU MAY RECALL THAT HIS DEFENSE ATTORNEY REQUESTED THAT FARBER UNDERGO A PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION. FARBER SAYS SHE HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS, ADDING THAT HER SON-IN-LAW SHOULD as well, going on to say that the motion is salacious and demonstrates Fotis Dulos' capacity for cruelty. As you all know, Jennifer filed for

divorce in 2017, has been locked in an acrimonious legal battle for custody of their twin boys, another set of twins, boy, girl, and a daughter, all the children, very young, between 8 and 13 years old. Jennifer had written in court documents, I am afraid for my family's safety. Wow. To get an idea what she looks like, to me she looks a little bit like Jennifer Garner. Um, trying to figure this all out, Alexis, what more can you tell us? For the last two years, Jennifer has been fighting Fortas for custody of her five children. In multiple court documents, she has claimed that she's afraid for her life.

She's afraid of him. He is somebody that she really feels like could really do harm to her and the children. And she has been begging a judge to give her custody of the children. Listen. 9-1-1, what's the location of your emergency? Yeah, I'm worried about my wife and kids because they left to go to New York and I haven't been able to get in touch with them. Okay, they were going to New York. What's the license plate on the car?

Excuse me? What's the license plate on the car? I have to get it for you. Okay, who's the car excuse me what's the license plate on the car uh i have to get in for you okay what's the who's the car registered to it's uh registered to my wife's name jennifer dulos spell the last name for me uh dulos d-u-l-o-s jennifer j-a-e-n-n-i-f-e? Yes. Your hero date of birth? It's September 27, 1968. They were driving with our baby here. I can give you how tall as well. Okay, what kind of, hold on, hold on.

What kind of car were they driving? It was a Range Rover. It was a Range Rover? Yeah. Hold on, let's see. Black, 2016 Black Land Rover Range Rover? Yeah. Hold on. Black, 2016 black Land Rover Range Rover? You just heard part of a 911 call from 2017 where the husband is calling police, Fotis Dulos, the husband. Okay, why is there a 2017 911 call? What is that, Dave Mack? Nancy, the Dulos marriage was very contentious, and Jennifer

actually filed for divorce in 2017, and that's when that call was made. She actually left with the kids to New York, but she went to get away from him, to hide from him, because she feared that when she served the papers, according to what she wrote, that he would be violent towards her. So she actually knew this was going to happen. It was all filed with the court. And when he called 911, he hadn't been served the divorce papers yet. He didn't know where his wife had gone. He got the divorce paper after that 911 call.

Let's take a listen to more of it. 911. When were they supposed to be there? They were supposed to be there. Hello? Okay. to be there. Hello? I can give you the address as well of the apartment. Okay. The room is not answering. They're not answering their cell phones. Okay, what's their cell phone number?

It's 860-604. 604? No, 604. Okay, you keep breaking up, sir. I need you to hold the phone to your face because I keep hearing you really far away. Or accessorize. Just notice. 860-604-604-9406. That's my wife's cell phone number.

Okay, and who's the other person that's with your wife? And that is the baby killer. Her name is Lauren. Lauren? Lauren. Do you know her last name? Yes. I made up.

A-L-N-E-I-D-A. He goes on to list all five children missing, five children all gone with her. This is after she files for divorce, but that was way back in 2017. To Dr. Patricia Saunders, psychologist joining us out of New York. What about it? That telephone call that Duluth made saying that his family was missing was the night before he was actually served the divorce papers. He sounds surprisingly calm on the 911 call. One of the statements that Jennifer had made was she listened to years of sickening revenge fantasies from her husband planning harm physical harm to people who he felt had wronged him so she had stated that she was afraid of her husband and that he would find some way to get revenge for her divorcing him. Keep in mind that the husband, Fotis Dulos, has just lost a

battle with his mother-in-law, who he owes several million dollars to, by the way, over custody of the five children. The grandma has it. Jennifer's mother. That tells me a lot. And in the midst of all this, instead of out searching for his wife, his defense lawyer says things like, oh, Jennifer had a crazy imagination. She was working on a novel like Gone Girl, suggesting that Jennifer has gone missing just to get back at her husband. He has also flowed the idea of revenge suicide. That his wife, the mother of his five children, Jennifer Dulos, killed herself just to irritate him. I mean, I just hope they say that to a jury. But right now, how in the world have these five children been left without a mother?

Where is Jennifer Dulos? The hope that she may somehow still be alive has dwindled to nothing. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Stories. This is an iHeart Podcast.