Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - AirTag Killer Fate Decided
Episode Date: February 3, 2024Gaylyn Morris gets convicted in the death of her boyfriend after she uses an Apple AirTag to track him to a bar. She then, repeatedly ran over him in a parking lot, killing him, in front of bystanders.... Andre Smith, 26, was having drinks with another woman when Morris reportedly confronted Smith and the woman at Tilly’s Pub in Indianapolis. The ensuing argument gets all three thrown out of the pub. Once outside, witnesses say Morris got into her black Chevrolet Impala and drove forward, knocking Smith down. She then reportedly put the vehicle in reverse and drove forward over him again. Medics located Smith’s body under Morris’ car outside the bar. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Morris, 26 years old at the time, was tried for murder but was convicted only of voluntary manslaughter. Morris will spend the next 18 years in prison. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Laprecia Sanders - Victim's Mother Darryl Cohen – Former Assistant District Attorney, Fulton County, Georgia, Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen, LLC Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA. (voted ‘My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice’ of 2023) Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, and Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter/X: @JoScottForensic Lee Reiber – Mobile Device Forensic Expert, COO: Oxygen Forensics, Inc., Author: “Mobile Forensic Investigations: A Guide to Evidence Collection, Analysis, and Presentation” Richard Essex – Investigative Reporter, WISH-TV; Twitter: @RichardEssexIII, Facebook: RichardEssexTV See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Well, there are breakups and then there are breakups.
In the last hours. A stunning development in the case of a woman who tracks down her boyfriend to a Castleton bar, Tilly's Pub and Grill.
By way of an air tag.
Convinced he's with another woman.
And when she sees him in the parking lot, she mows him down.
Not just once, but making sure she backs up and drives over him again.
Killing him.
I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories and on Sirius XM 111.
What was this woman thinking? Galen Morris, young, attractive, the world before her, but she just can't stand it when her boyfriend Andre, she's convinced anyway, is with another woman.
The two were not married.
They could date other people.
They didn't share a child together.
Nothing.
No anything.
In the last hours, a jury speaks.
So how did this whole thing unfold?
First of all, take a listen to our friends at WISH-TV.
Smith was pronounced dead just before 1 o'clock Friday morning.
His family had rushed to the scene on East 82nd Street.
Many of them saw his lifeless body trapped under a car.
It's a memory that will haunt them forever.
So be he like an animal in the street. I don't want nobody to love me that hard. If you
got to take my life, the emotions are still very raw. Smith's aunts, Renika and Sandra Day
described the last minutes of their nephew's life. Underneath the car, crying for help
as he was trying to raise his kid up,
ran over McGee.
And...
I had a dog in the street.
This young man,
this beautiful young man,
really at the beginning of his life,
Andre Smith,
the thought of him being mowed down, seemingly on purpose,
under that cart, trying to get up, trying to raise up before he died.
Did you hear the crying and the sobs and the background?
Take a listen again to our friend Richard Essex at WISH-TV.
It's compelling and overwhelming.
Within minutes, Smith was pronounced dead by the Indianapolis Fire Department.
His last moments are replayed in the collective memory of his family.
And it replays every time I blink right now.
It replays every time we have to talk about it or if I'm asleep at night.
So I can only imagine how my sister is feeling right now.
I can only imagine.
It's one thing to, you know, injure or wound a person but to take a life while they are
yelling for help help me a young man and a young lady inside of tall. Whoever you are, our hearts go out to you and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
They ran out of there. And even in the midst of all that pain, Andre's family thanking two of the
patrons in the restaurant that came out and tried to help, but to no avail. With me, an all-star
panel to make sense of what we know right now in the brutal murder of this young man in the prime of his life,
growing up into the man his mother wanted him to be.
First, I want to go to a special guest joining us.
This is Andre's mother. Ms. Sanders, I do not know how you have the strength
to put one foot in front of the other.
I'm just so sorry, Ms. Sanders, what you're going through.
First of all, what are your days and nights like
as you relive over and over learning that your son was killed?
Nancy, it's hard for me to sleep at night.
I can't focus during the day.
My son's death is weighing heavy on my heart.
I just, it's horrible. Like, I can't stop thinking about my son and I wish I
could have been there to help him. How do you get through the day? I'm currently taking anxiety
medications. I can't, I have to take them throughout the day because if I don't, I'm crying all day.
I keep crying and crying and crying.
When did you learn? Do you remember that moment you learned Andre had been mowed down?
Yes, I remember it. I can't forget it. I had gotten a call from one of my family members
and told me that my son, this was the words that came out of my family member's mouth, that he wasn't
responding. And I'm like, I asked my family member, who are you talking about? And he stated,
Andre. I immediately rushed to Community North Hospital in Indianapolis looking for my son.
I had no idea what was going on. I just was looking for my baby. And I was going crazy at that time because I hadn't gotten a call from the police or anyone.
So I ran to Community North Hospital looking for my baby.
And he wasn't there.
So you're at the hospital.
What happened when you got to the hospital?
They didn't have any information on my son, Andre.
So a family member had reached out.
At this time, I'm with my sister because I had blacked out.
I had parked somewhere.
My sister found me, and she came and got me.
And my sister ended up talking to one of the family members,
and they explained to us where my son's body was located.
Oh, dear Lord in heaven.
Did you say you blacked out?
Yeah, like my sister, she was able, I guess she, me and her, we share locations.
So she found where I was at.
I was at a speedway gas station near my home.
I guess I was driving out of my apartment, my condo, and I ended up at a speedway and my sister found me.
When she found me, somehow I came back to my senses.
And then that's where we continue on to go where the family member told me my son's body was.
Joe Scott Morgan with me. Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
Death Investigator, Star of a New Hit Series, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart.
I could go on.
But, Joseph Scott, what is that?
Because you heard Ms. Sanders, this is Andre Smith's mother, say,
she blacked out, which I take to mean pass out.
What is it?
How do you get so upset you pass out?
There's no greater pain in this world than death.
I've had a lot of people talk about it.
Of course, I've seen it throughout my career.
And it hits you in a place that's almost primal.
Because in my estimation, you're suddenly face to face with the finality of the end of it, the end of life.
What happens in your body?
It's almost like a shock, a sudden shock.
And when I say that, I'm talking about you'll have a dip in blood pressure.
You get faint, lightheaded.
The world just seems to swim about you.
I've experienced this with deaths in my own family as well. I think a lot of us have. And it's just that final realization. And it's hard.
Dr. Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction,
AngelaArnoldMD.com. Dr. Angie, I guess Joe Scott would have a physical explanation
about your blood pressure dropping. I bet you would have a psychiatric or psychological explanation.
Well, you know, Nancy, it's traumatic.
So in all of these cases, what you're describing is a trauma.
And we never know how our body has a fight or flight response.
And we just lose everything
inside of ourselves when there's such a trauma. And that's why it's so difficult to recover from
a trauma. And I understand that the mom is taking some anti-anxiety medicine. There are other,
there's some good types of therapy that I can recommend for her. I'm going to hook you two up
when we get off the air, Dr. Angie.
Wonderful.
And I want to tell you, I really appreciate you offering that.
Thank you, Nancy.
Because she can't get enough help right now.
And Nancy, it's a trauma.
It is a trauma.
And you have to go through, if you can go through,
it's never going to make it better or different for her.
But she has to survive because she's the survivor in this.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
In the last hours, Galen Morris learns her fate. Morris, now set to spend nearly 20 years
behind bars, found guilty for mowing down her boyfriend, Andre Smith, the evening of June 3rd,
running over him with her car multiple times in the parking lot of Tilly's Pub and Grill, Castleton, Indiana.
The sight of her boyfriend with another woman pushed her over the edge.
That is not a defense to murder.
Now, at trial, amazing, the defense attorney tried to argue
that the defendant believes her boyfriend is cheating and that she deserves to mow him down
because she's been paying his bills, occasionally his rent, and he is mistreating her by cheating.
Now, that's a new one. Interesting. I don't know if I would have used this exact phrasing.
The prosecutor said she, the defendant, is not the girlfriend.
She's the side piece.
Hmm. What more do we know?
To Ms. Sanders, that's her little baby.
And thinking about her hunched over the wheel of a car at a, did you say a Speedway gas station?
Yes, ma'am. My sister, like I said, we share locations.
And to my knowledge, I passed out
because when she got there, she was shaking.
I was bent over the steering wheel.
She was shaking me like, get up, get up, precious, get up.
And I woke up and she said, come on.
She grabbed my arm.
My nephew was on the other arm and they were taking me to her car.
That's when I woke up and noticed that I was with my sister at that time.
When did you next see your son, Andre?
When we got to Tilly's pub where his body was laying underneath a car.
You actually saw him underneath the car?
Yeah, the detectives would not let me come closer,
but I seen his legs and his penis underneath the car.
All I wanted to do was see my child,
and they would not let me get close to him
because of the severity of his face.
He was stuck underneath the car.
Richard Essex joining me, and earlier you heard his voice.
Our friend at WISSH-TV, he is their prime investigative reporter.
You can find him on Twitter, at Richard Essex 3, Roman numeral 3.
Richard, I would feel this way, the way I'm feeling right now, every time I started a murder case.
Because sometimes the facts are like a big wave. They just come and just hit you and knock you over. And when I hear Ms. Sanders talking about passing out at that Speedway gas station,
out there all alone in her car, knowing her son is dead,
and then being taken and seeing him up under a car outside a restaurant parking lot,
in a restaurant parking lot.
You start me off, Richard Essex.
Thank you for being with us.
What happened that night?
Well, from talking to the police and talking to Ms. Sanders' sisters,
and by the way, Ms. Sanders, your story is heartbreaking.
It almost brings me to tears just listening to what you're saying
and talking to your sisters.
I replay that the hour or so that I spent with them last week.
What strikes me from all of this is how it's impacted her family.
So many of them were brought up to Tilly's bar as their son,nephew was right there underneath the car.
Guys, take a listen to our friends now at Fox 59.
Breaking news from Indy's north side.
We have confirmed with police a pedestrian was hit and killed by a car in front of a strip mall.
This happened early this morning around 1230 near Tilly's Pub on East 82nd Street and Dean Road.
Officers say they're looking for witnesses to try and piece together exactly what happened.
And more from our friends at WISH.
This is Camilla Fernandez.
Some people tell me this is an unusual occurrence for this part of the city.
I've never been there, but I know just this area in general, especially with the new apartments and people are always walking around and the customers are just always so nice.
It's kind of disturbing a little bit because this area is very clean and nice.
People should, you know, try to get together and get along, you know, stop this violence.
Police are asking anyone with any information to come forward.
Police searching for witnesses to help solve the mystery surrounding the death of this young man
with us today, his mother, Ms. Sanders, and Richard Essex, along with our panel. Richard,
joining us from WISH. So, Richard, I'm hearing witnesses speaking to Camila Fernandez stating
what a nice area it is and how this is very unusual, which proves to me just because you're
in a nice area, you are not insulated from crime. Tell me about the area where this restaurant is.
It's on the north side of Indianapolis. It's an area of town that
has some of the
better shops. There's some of the cleaner
shopping malls.
It is a nice area.
It has been a nice, safe
area for decades.
But like
every other city, major city
in America,
Indianapolis is not insulated from the violence that has been crisscrossing the country.
And this particular area has seen some spikes, as has the rest of the city.
And regardless of how nice your area is, sometimes violence creeps in into your back door.
And what about this restaurant, Tilly's? Is it Tilly's Pub?
It's Tilly's Pub.
It has been around for a long, long time.
It used to be a favorite with some of the NBA players and coaches here in Indianapolis.
A lot of them live up in that area.
It has been known to bring in some higher profile people.
There's expensive shops right out their back door.
When you say expensive shops, what do you
mean by that? Brooks Brothers,
that type of place. It's more of a higher
end shopping center.
That's pretty high end.
You know, the Golden Fleece and all that. Have you ever
priced out a suit there? Forget
it. Okay,
I get your drift.
Fancy people, fancy stores,
a lot of money, celebs hanging out at this bar,
NBA players hanging out at this bar. Daryl Cohen joining me right now, high profile lawyer joining
me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, former felony prosecutor, now defense and civil attorney.
Daryl Cohen, man, I learned that pretty quickly when I joined you at the Fulton County District Attorney's
Office.
You have high crime areas where people are out literally on the street selling dope.
I tell you the first time I saw that in a police report, I kicked the officer out of
court.
I was new.
I didn't know any better.
The officer wrote in his report, I was approached by a man on the corner waving a glassine bag.
I'm like, do you think I'm at?
I may have used a few curse words at that time.
That was before I had the twins.
You think I believe that somebody walked up to you with a glassine bag of coke?
Get out.
A dead dog could have the case.
All right.
I go out on the street, say three months later in that same area.
I stop at a red light.
Guess what happened?
A guy waved a glassy bag of dope at me.
The feeling that went over my body when I realized the cop had been telling me the truth.
Don't worry.
I revived the case.
Long story short, there are areas that are high crime, and there are areas you go to
and take your family to dinner, and you don't think you're going to get killed in the parking lot.
Nancy, this is different.
This is targeted crime.
This happens.
So you believe, Daryl Cohen, that this was targeted.
I got to agree with you when somebody I mean, Richard Essex, didn't the driver run over Andre three times?
Yes.
And if you look back through the report,
you could even argue that it was a fourth attempt.
Fourth attempt.
So the perp had to run over, back up, and run over again.
Is that how it worked?
Yes.
From reading through the report,
she made a run at Andre and his friend as they were coming out of Tilly's.
And somebody deflected, and she was able to maneuver her car around
and then hit him on the side and knocked him down and then ran over him.
Run over him again?
Twice.
Guys, and then we have a twist in the case.
Take a listen to our friends at WTHR 13.
New info in the death of a man whose girlfriend was accused of running him over in a bar parking lot.
Court documents reveal that Galen Morris told police she did not mean to run over Andre Smith.
She actually told police she meant to hit the woman that he was with at Tilly's Pub and Grill.
Those documents also reveal that Morris initially denied putting an air tag in the car to track him.
She then admitted to placing it in the back seat. Air tag, transferred intent. I didn't mean to run
over him. I meant to run over and kill her. Video shown at trial shows the defendant,
Galen Morrison, screaming the name of her dead boyfriend,
Andre Smith, as she sits in the back of a police car once she learns he's dead.
That body cam video was played day two of her murder trial.
One prosecution witness testified, when somebody's in a parking lot, you don't hear them rev
up.
They gain acceleration with time, like she was at higher RPMs, enough where it made me
turn around, stop directions and be like, what the heck's going on to watch this and see it all
happen. So apparently she was revving the car. The witness says the car stopped with Smith
underneath his head near the front left wheel. Two women who ran out of the bar were the first to talk to
Morris, still talked to the defendant. She was still sitting in the driver's seat.
To Andre's mother, Ms. Lapetia Sanders, Ms. Sanders, when did you learn that his ex,
his girlfriend, ex-girlfriend had confessed, had admitted she ran down your boy in cold blood.
It's not like she was a drunk driver or it was an accident.
She did it on purpose.
Nancy, I found out when I got on the scene because I had seen her car.
And that's when I found out when the detective walked up to me and told me the victim's
name I mean the the person's name that killed my son did you know her I had met her um because
they've been knowing each other for quite some time they've been dating off and on for quite
some time I've met her maybe three times in total what does she how does she sing to you? How did she present when you met her before?
Um, I really can't say because I mean, it was just more like a high and by type of thing.
Where were you when you met her? Um, he had brought her to a house that I was staying in
during that time. And this was like in 2017, maybe. So he brought her over and met you? Yeah. Yes, ma'am.
And she seemed normal? During that time, yes. She just seemed like a regular person, like a regular
normal lady, normal girl, whatever you want to call her. She seemed normal at that time. This reminds me so much of a case
we'd covered about a 30-something-year-old PhD student, her name Nijinsky-Dix. She had dated
a guy a couple of months, maybe weeks, and he broke up. And this PhD student, I've got pictures of her. She looks all put together
like she's in one of those Brooks Brothers ads. She drives across the country, stalks his
apartment, his condo, just the way that this woman, Galen Morris, is charged with stalking Andre
and then shoots him dead because he broke up with her.
Listen to our friends at Crime Online.
According to Hickman's family, Dix had started stalking her former flame after the split
and that even though she was from out of state, she somehow found out where he lived in Washington, D.C. Shortly before 5.30 p.m., police responded to
reports of gunfire at the apartment complex in the nation's capital. Police entered an apartment
where they found a male individual who had been shot. They found Nijinsky Dix kneeling beside the
bullet-ridden body of Terry Hickman, who was pronounced dead at the scene. Police said
Dix was holding a gun in her left hand, which officers ordered her to put down. She was also
on speakerphone with someone who identified themselves to authorities as her mother.
To stalk someone, to electronically stalk someone, in this case, after you've been broken up with,
take a listen to our cut for this Felicia Lawrence, WTHR. Court documents state that
Galen Morris told another woman she had used an air tag to track Andre Smith to Tilly's pub
because he was cheating on her. The same woman told police she saw Morris run over Smith three times before
getting out of the car and coming after another woman. To Lapricia Sanders joining us, this is
Andre's mother. So if these reports are in fact true, and I have no reason to doubt them, Ms. She, Galen Morris, age 26, stalked your son like a deer, like a bunny rabbit, the way you follow one in a scope.
She stalked him with an air tag.
Yes, ma'am.
It was an air tag.
When did you learn that?
I learned that, I think it was like the next day after my son's death, the
detective called me, and he explained to me that a young lady had placed an air tag. I'm not going
to mention what kind of air tag, but she placed an air tag on the passenger seat of the car,
of his car. And they were broken up, weren't they?
Hadn't he broken up with her?
Yes, ma'am.
He had separated from her.
He was currently at my grandmother's house, you know, living with her for a little bit,
but his clothes and things were still at the apartment that him and Galen had shared together.
So this was a fresh breakup.
Yes.
He had moved in with his grandmother and some of his stuff still at the suspect's apartment.
Joining me right now is Lee Reber, mobile device forensic expert, COO of Oxygen Forensics, Inc.,
and author of Mobile Forensic Investigations, a Guide to Evidence Collection.
Wow, that's pretty impressive. Lee Reber,
thank you for being with us. Explain what is an AirTag and how does that work?
Sure, sure. Thanks, Nancy. So it's really not new technology. It's a Bluetooth low energy device. So what that simply means is it utilizes Bluetooth to, say, notify a device.
So here's an example. McDonald's. McDonald's is one of the largest purchasers of these beacons, Bluetooth beacons, that if you're in McDonald's and you suddenly get an ad that might come up onto your phone.
It's simple use of this Bluetooth technology.
I don't know what you're saying. I'm sorry. They did not teach me that in law school.
What do you mean? I'm in a McDonald's and an ad comes up on my phone.
Sure. So if you go in, we'll take another example.
A lot of grocery stores will use these Bluetooth beacons.
So you're going down and you're thinking
about buying some soup. And then all of a sudden on your phone, you now receive an ad for Campbell's
chunky soup that you might be looking for. Those pop up on your phone. Right. And so in the case
of these or an air tag, simply Apple calls this an iBeacon.
And what it allows people to do using the Find My service of Apple to be able to track these little tokens if they place them on an object.
Okay, wait.
When you say a token, you mean the AirTag looks like, for instance, a suitcase tag that you put on there with your name on it?
Yeah, yeah.
Just think of it just an object, a physical object that you can place.
Hey, Lee Reber, hold on one second.
I think Ms. Sanders wants in.
Go ahead, Ms. Sanders.
What Lee Reber is trying to explain, I was told that my son, by the young lady that was with him at Tilly's, he kept telling her that someone is tracking us, but he didn't know it was a device in his car.
But he knew he was being tracked by someone, but he didn't think it was the girl, the Galen girl, or, you know, he just didn't know who.
So they checked him, the young lady that he was with at the Tilly Club.
They checked the car.
They checked around.
They didn't find anything because it looked like a quarter or something.
It was underneath his passenger seat.
So he knew he was being followed, but he didn't know by who or anything like that.
Okay, now wait a minute.
Then Lee Reber, how would he have known he was being followed?
Yeah, so the interesting thing that Apple actually added was the ability, because when they first released with the AirTags, this was a big issue, and it still is a big issue with stocking, is that these sounds, they weren't hearing, they wouldn't know really that they had a device that was, say, following them or within their vehicle.
Now Apple's actually added so that if they have an iPhone or an iDevice,
then they get a notification on their device indicating, hey, you have an unknown device writing.
Okay, wait a minute.
So let me try to translate what you're saying
into regular people talk. I think what you just said is if you're being tracked by an air tag,
then you'll hear a little boop or a little something, a ping or electronic sound notifying
you that somewhere around you there's an air tag. Is that what you just said? Correct, correct. And so it's because it's not paired to, say, your device, right?
It's an unknown device or AirTag that was within the area that you are in.
Richard Essex joining us from WISH that AirT tags would be used in such a nefarious way as they were by this woman,
Galen Morris, age 26, to track down her ex, Andre, like a dog.
She apparently told somebody in the parking lot that there was a GPS monitoring device
in his car, and she knew that his car was in that parking lot and she had been questioning
people up and down in front of this shopping area have you seen a guy that with this description
inside the bar and she was walking up and down and she saw him so she she knew exactly where his car
was and she went up and down trying to find him. I'm just sick about it.
I'm just sick about it.
And over what?
A breakup?
I mean, Ms. Sanders, has this woman tried to communicate with you?
Nancy, she better not try to communicate with me because right now my family and I are hurting.
We're hurting really, really bad.
I'm lost. I'm numb.
I don't feel like I even have a soul anymore.
She took my son from me. crime stories with nancy grace
in the last days a sentence goes down on a woman who mows down her lover out of sheer rage because
he had a date with another woman she She tracked him with an air tag.
The first cop to arrive at the scene immediately cuffed her,
and she admitted she tracked the victim to the bar with an Apple air tag.
She reportedly confronted the victim.
They got into an argument and then got into an argument with the date for the night
before they were all told to leave. The defendant left
first and was waiting in her car, waiting for the boyfriend to come out. To Andre's mother,
Ms. LaPrecious Sanders. Ms. Sanders, what was he like as a little boy? Oh man, full of joy.
He loved to rap. He loved to play. he was just like a normal typical kid
he was a love child
like everybody
loved Andre
that was a love child
he was a sweet person
he wouldn't harm anybody
he just loved to put on clothes
he loved clothes and shoes
and he just
he didn't deserve
what she did
to my son.
And you know
Joe Scott
what he went through
what he went through
he did not die
immediately.
And to die
up under a car
like that
trying to lift up
his head
trying to
live he did not die immediately Joe Scott Morgan. No. like that, trying to lift up his head, trying to live.
He did not die immediately, Joe Scott Morgan.
No, he didn't.
But this is, you know, you'll have, as Daryl had pointed out just a moment ago,
he was struck multiple times.
And unlike a firearm, when you use a car to facilitate something like that, each one of these contacts leaves a specific type of evidence relative to an individual's body.
And so you'll have a bumper mark.
Remember, they described it as him having been clipped initially, which essentially knocks him to the ground by the bumper.
And we'll find on his body what's referred to as a bumper mark.
It's this abraded area.
I suspect that this isn't just blunt force trauma, Nancy.
I suspect that there is a compression element that is involved in this where
there was an asphyxial event that occurred.
Are you trying to say he couldn't breathe?
Yeah.
Yeah.
His chest couldn't rise and fall because the vehicle was on top of him.
I can't take it. I can't take it anymore couldn't rise and fall because I can't take it.
I can't take it anymore.
I have to go.
I can't take it.
I can't.
Miss Sanders, I understand.
Please, Jackie, let her go because this is too much for her.
I mean, Dr. Angie, did you hear that?
The mother can't even stand to hear these facts about her son.
This is a disorder that this girl had, but it is not insanity.
You told me it's some type of disorder.
Yes. Nancy, there's actually a name for this.
It's called obsessive love disorder.
And everything about this woman projects this disorder to me.
Now, I hear you're saying disorder and on the street for me,
regular vernacular disorder measures, you're ill. This girl is not ill. She's angry. And yes,
she's obsessed. But that is not a defense, Dr. Angie Arnold. No, I'm not saying it's a defense.
But I'll tell you something, Nancy, the reason I bring it up is because if other people know the signs of things like this that they can look out for in someone that is perhaps glomming on to their child and trying to make a relationship with that child, people need to be able to look out for these signs and symptoms.
And I think that that's something else that we bring to this, to your, to what you do on this. Okay. Nancy, I want people
besides me to know the signs and symptoms of something like this so they can look for it.
Like what? Give me some signs and symptoms. Okay. Some of the symptoms can include your,
you have an overwhelming attraction to one person, okay? Then you start to
have obsessive thoughts about that person. You may feel the need to protect the person that you're
in love with, okay? You also become very possessive of them, extreme jealousy over any kind of other
interpersonal interactions that they have.
And typically, the person with this disorder actually has a very low self-esteem.
Okay?
You'll see them sending repeated texts and emails and phone calls.
They have a constant need for reassurance. They have a hard time maintaining friendships with other people because of their obsession with this one person.
So you said, we heard in this, that they had been together for three years.
And something that really struck me was that the mother didn't really know her very well.
She had only met her like three times.
Justice has unfolded in a court of law.
Galen Morris guilty of voluntary manslaughter
and the brutal death of her boyfriend, Andre Smith.
But it will never bring him back
and his mother still grieving.
Goodbye, friend.
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