Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - "ANGEL OF PAIN" 7 NEWBORNS SUFFER EXCRUCIATING BROKEN BONES IN HOSPITAL

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Henrico County Police Detective Megan Lynch responded to Henrico Doctors' Hospital regarding a 5-month-old male in the NICU found with a fractured left femur. Further examination revealed the child also had a fractured right tibia and multiple rib fractures. Investigators noted similarities between these injuries and those suffered by four males in the NICU during the previous summer. Following the earlier unexplained injuries, the hospital installed surveillance cameras throughout the NICU. Detective Lynch reviewed the surveillance footage and reported her findings. On November 10, Nurse Erin Strotman was recorded in the room with the baby identified as "Y.H." in hospital records. The footage showed Strotman grabbing Y.H. by the legs and applying pressure, placing her weight on them, and pushing the baby's legs backward until his feet reached his head. The video shows Y.H. crying and appearing to be in distress. Seven potential abuse cases are now under investigation, and police say more may be uncovered. Henrico County investigators are reviewing hundreds of hours of surveillance footage to piece together the events. Reports indicate that at least three affected families attended Strotman's court appearance. One father, speaking publicly, stated that another couple reported their child had suffered 12 fractures. Strotman has been formally charged in one baby's case, with the investigation ongoing. Her public defender stated that she has not yet entered a plea. Strotman remains in custody without bail, and her next court appearance is set for March 24 Joining Nancy Grace today:  Dominique Hackey  -  Father of infant  injured in PNCU   Greg Morse  - Partner : King Morse, PLLC. Current CJA counsel, Former West Palm Beach Public Defender's Office. Author: "The Untested" found on Amazon, website: kingmorselaw.com Dr. John Delatorre –  Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok – @drjohndelatorre Barry Hutchison Sr. – Former Law Enforcement, Owner & Chief Investigator for Barry & Associates Investigative Services LLC Dr. William Morrone – Chief Medical Examiner, Bay County Michigan, Author: “American Narcan: Naloxone & Heroin-Fentanyl Associated Mortality” Dave Mack (AL) Investigative Reporter  Crime Online  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A so-called angel of pain stalking the halls of the NICU, the newborn ICU unit. That's the suspicion after seven newborns, just tiny baby infants, suffer unexplained broken bones while in the hospital. Joining us tonight, the father of two of those babies. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. NICU nightmare. Infants with broken bones. What happened to these preemie babies? Premature babies. I know I had two of them and they survived only because of the nurses and doctors in the NICU. They would have died if it had not been for the Northside Hospital NICU unit after an emergency delivery. Sadly, that was not the case with many, many other parents at one particular hospital.

Who would take a baby's bones, an infant, a newborn, and break and fracture their bones as they lie there helpless. First of all, take a listen to this. It is a burden and a huge responsibility and also a privilege to be able to care for these children at their most vulnerable states and these families in their most vulnerable states. Many, many of them have gone through all kinds of toil and trouble just trying to get pregnant and then to deliver early or to have complications during delivery. It's just heart-wrenching for these families to not be able to go through a natural birth process and take your child home with you, believe them in the care of others who you really don't know. You have to trust them.

You do. You have to trust them. And sadly, that trust was misplaced in the case of at least seven newborns that we know of. Think about it. A newborn baby, premature, lying there, defenseless. Mom and dad have gone home. No one there to care for them except for the staff in the NICU. Did an angel of pain stalk the halls, preying on defenseless infants. Listen. Henrico County Police Detective Megan Lynch responds to Henrico Doctors Hospital in reference to a five-month-old male in the NICU found to have a fractured left

femur. When the child is examined further, it is determined he also has a fracture of the right tibia and multiple rib fractures. The detective is told the injuries are similar to injuries suffered by four males in the NICU in the summer of the previous year. Oh my stars. There were other infants that had mysterious broken and fractured bones before and nobody did anything. Joining me, the father, Dominic Hackey is with us. Mr. Hackey, thank you for being with us. Thanks for having me. When you, first of all, tell me, how did you learn about the injuries? It was a seemingly normal Sunday.

Me and my wife walked into the NICU expecting for my wife to be able to do skin to skin with our son for the second time and that's when we were told that a nurse had observed discoloration in his left leg he wasn't moving it quite as much as the right one so they had gotten an x-ray and determined that he had a tibia fracture. Mr. Hackie when you learned oh my stars I'm looking at the video you gave us. Control room, can I see that video again? This looks just like my John David and Lucy when they were in NICU. They had all these cords, all these going in.

Some of them, the tubes go in the nose and come out the foot. They are completely helpless. Dominic, when you learned your baby boy, your infant, your preemie had a fracture of the leg and that one of the legs wasn't moving. Did you think someone had done that to your baby or that somehow this happened during childbirth? I knew it didn't happen during childbirth. My wife had an emergency C-section like yourself. I watched every minute of that. I watched how he was pulled out. I watched everything after that. He wasn't pulled out by his legs. Nothing that in childbirth would have caused this. But it did take a minute for us to process

what was happening. Our other son, Micah, was very, very sick. We were being told that we were going to lose him twice at that point. So we were just overwhelmed with emotions. We had talked to the doctor on staff that day. We weren't really given any answers on to how this happened. And honestly, after we were told what we were told and spoke to the doctors on staff, I told my wife we need to we need to leave. Because I needed to take time outside of that hospital to process what was happening. And I had already at that time reached out to my mom, who was then, you know, texting me a million times back to back. This isn't right. You need to call Child Protective Services. This shouldn't be happening.

I don't feel safe with my grandson in there. So I needed to get out of the hospital, call her and kind of get my feet to where we needed to go next. So it was a lot in that moment to process. Mr. Hackey, you stated they had already told you what, twice? That our son Micah was going to pass away just due to the complications with my wife's pregnancy. He had low fluid at 16 weeks, which caused him to have a lot of respiratory distress. So at that time, Micah was on a ventilator, an oscillator, hooked up to so many different machines. But Noah was our strong baby. He was perfect from the moment that he came out. He needed very little respiratory help. So we had hope. He was our hope, I should

say, because he came out so strong and nothing wrong with him. And, you know, we just wanted the same for our other son as well. So we were very heartbroken to learn that our healthy baby now is not healthy and nobody can tell us why. And when you talk to the doctor, Mr. Hackey, the doctor, did he, he, she avoid the fracture or did they try to say, hey, maybe it was this, maybe it was that, we don't know what happened or do they just not talk about it? They initially told us that it could have been done from an injection that was given maybe too, too rough or too hard.

So they were going to implement some trainings so that the nurses could be able to give injections correctly. And that's kind of the only explanation that was given. And I want to make it perfectly clear. Bone density, vitamin deficiency, brittle bone syndrome was never, ever brought up in our case. It was never questioned. It was never a factor for us. So it's without a doubt that somebody at this hospital did it. Because as soon as we were told that there was a fracture, I declined to hold him because I didn't want to be blamed for that. The first time I'm holding my son,

you're telling me that he has a fracture. The day before we were at the hospital, my wife was not allowed to hold him. The day that we both come, now that he has a fracture and we're aware of it, now we're allowed to hold him. It didn't seem right to me. Mr. Hackey, they told me the same thing about Lucy, my baby girl, when I was still carrying her. One doctor told me I had to do selective termination. You know how crazy I went? Other doctors came running into the room. I was yelling so much. I was not going to

selectively abort Lucy. Then they were born and they told me that Lucy may not make it. It was horrible, horrible. And what you're saying, John David, my son came out healthy. Everything was fine except very premature, not Lucy. Mr. Hackey joining me right now is a preeminent physician. It's Dr. William Maroney, renowned medical examiner, pathologist, author of American Narcan, and so much more, who has dedicated his life to helping other people. And I'd like to point out specifically for you, Mr. Hackey, that he is a devoted father like yourself. Dr. Maroney, you know, I'm just a trial lawyer. Sometimes as a trial lawyer and you're questioning a physician like yourself you really don't even

know where to start but it's my understanding that injuries that occur during delivery are typically at the joint and when i'm again i'm just reading the tea leaves here, but when I look at that x-ray, that doesn't look like the fracture is at the joint, does it? No. And the idea of where injuries sometimes happen are statistically based on our past experience as hospitals record injuries. The only other dominant fracture, collarbones fracture all the time because a baby has to fit through the birth canal. And the shoulders and the neck and the chest are the widest part. Legs don't break in delivery. I've never, 25 years, I've never heard of any kind of broken arm or leg in delivery. Collar bones or joint dislocations, the collarbone is the big one because you're trying to squeeze this wide baby through this tiny little birth canal. So that's the first thing you would look at and have as where do you start your investigation? How did a fracture happen in that bone? In a collarbone, somebody would say, oh, well, you know, it's fractured. It'll grow back. We'll line it up. Everything

will be okay. And you understand that because you're trying to squeeze the baby. But these other things right away, they're very highly suspicious and they need an investigation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm just wondering, Mr. Hackey, I had an emergency cesarean just like your wife did, and I was awake the whole time. I could see the babies being lifted up. And it's just like you just said. They weren't pulled out by their legs or by, you know, in a normal birth, the head normally comes out first. They were lifted up the way I'm demonstrating right now.

And I saw John David come out first. I saw Lucy come out second. And I was told they're breathing and they were looking at me and blinking their eyes. I remember distinctly. And when you tell me they were not pulled out by their legs, I believe you, that's something you never forget. When your wife learned that her baby, her newborn, how much did they weigh? Four pounds? Noah was three pounds, eight ounces, and Micah was two pounds, eight ounces. John David was five pounds.

Lucy was two pounds. Like a kitten, for Pete's sake. When your wife found out this four-pound baby had a fractured leg, how did your wife take it? I don't think she could process it at that moment. Honestly, she was dealing with, like I said, it was an end to a long, very long pregnancy, which actually wasn't very long, but it felt long. We were going to ultrasounds once a week, sometimes twice a week. So she was very much out of it, which is why she's kind of letting me speak, because I remember it so clearly. She was dealing with postpartum at that time as well.

So all that she really could do was cry. And all that I could do was tell my wife that, you know, our boys are going to be OK. That's all we could do. I don't know how you guys managed to leave them there. I mean, you couldn't take them home. They needed to be hooked up to all those machines. So you couldn't say to hell with you, I'm taking the children home. You had to leave them there. Oh, how did you do it? How did you leave your child there knowing? I mean, think about it. I'm sure you have.

Somebody had to take your little baby's leg and crack it. I guess it was the hospital gas led us into thinking that this was an isolated incident, that they were really working to figure out who did this. And at that point, we kind of had to trust the hospital because me and my wife, we were very blessed with the type of jobs that we have. We were able to be at the hospital all day, every day. We just couldn't be there at night because we have animals at home and stuff at home that we have to attend to. But I mean, we just had to trust them.

And with us at that time, only thinking that, you know, this was just our son. It could have been an injection that was given wrong. They're going to train people so that they get this right. It was like at that time, it felt like the hospital was doing what they were supposed to do, even though they were telling us that we may never find the person who did this, because unless somebody confesses, it's going to be hard to say that this person actually did it. Some of these premature babies are so sick, their little organs are not developed enough to be functioning outside the womb yet. And we are basically assisting them by artificial means. So we do see death in the NICU. We see a lot of children who have issues with their lungs, with their heart, with their vision. So any instance where something

happens that is unexpected, we're going to watch and try and see what happened. But all of that, problems with the lungs or the heart or with the vision, those occur or originate prior to birth. This newborn infant child, this little baby boy was born without a fracture in his leg. So how did that happen to Dr. William Maroney? I know that infants bones are malleable, but to fracture or break a baby's bone, it had to hurt. It had to be horrific pain for the child to endure. And even though the bones are somewhat malleable at the time of birth, they're still bones. How much force would you have to affect in order to break or fracture a child's leg? Probably just about a little bit less than like trying to break a broomstick or more than break some pasta

wait wait break a broomstick with your bare hands i can break a broomstick with my bare hands even i cracked it over my knee no yes what are you saying but the other what i want to make clear is the rare condition that a baby is born with broken bones only happens when the mother is in a car accident. If these mothers do not have any history of being in recent, like right before the hospital car accidents, all these bones are perfect. All these babies are born with completely healthy bodies. But we have seen broken bones in babies after they've been delivered in emergency deliveries when the mothers had car accidents. Mr. Hackey, had your wife, I already know the answer to this, your wife had not been in any type of an accident,

had she? No. Okay, Dr. Maroney, I hate to call a medical doctor of your eminence on the carpet, but that's really not

what I asked you. I didn't ask you about car wrecks because there's no car wreck or no accident. Nothing like that. No violent injury on the mom prior to birth i'm asking you the degree of force you're telling me a little less or the same amount

as trying to crack a broom over your knee the physical amount of force would equal something hitting a wall at 20 miles an hour. And the other thing, to this little baby, how can you be so calm, Moroni? How many children do you have for Pete's sake? Don't you remember when they were born? Someone using that amount of force, like cracking a broomstick to break, fracture this baby's leg? And I don't want to make pictures in people's minds that would make them even more disgusted. But broken ribs are very difficult. You either crush a baby's chest or you swing the baby like a baseball bat and hit a wall.

Those are how you break ribs. I've done depositions for child abuse in local counties. That's a tremendous amount of force. So broken bones in the chest, broken legs. This is serious. Dominic Hackey, I know you're hearing Dr. Maroney speaking. When you hear him describe how much force it would require to break your newborn's leg, to fracture it. I mean, I feel sick just hearing it. about your infant and the force required, like swinging the infant against a wall or breaking their leg like a broom handle? It hurts. It's heartbreaking. It honestly, it feels like my son was in this world for a week and I failed to protect him. And it keeps me up at night. But I won't fail my son again. I won't fail these other babies again. What they've been through and all that they had to endure is sick that we were in the room with the devil and we had no idea. Guys, it all starts here. Listen.

An infant in the Nick Ewan and Ryko Doctors Hospital suffers a horrible leg injury that isn't easily explained. Babies break bones during birth. It's not uncommon, but this is different. As the hospital begins to investigate, three other babies have unexplained fractures. Okay, let me understand something. Joining me, Dave Mack, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter who has intensely researched this case and conducted his own interviews. Dave Mack, wait a minute. So when this little baby, Mr. Hackney's baby, has a fractured leg, before that, there were already three other babies that had, quote, unexplained fractures? Yes, Nancy, there were four babies in the time around Mr. Hackney's child

that all had unexplained fractures. One of the babies was actually hurt four days after Mr. Hackney's baby. Okay, I am actually without words, Dave Mack. I didn't understand the events chronologically. Mr. Hackney, did anybody tell you, oh, by the way, we've already had multiple babies that have unexplained fractures. When they were telling you, your baby somehow has a broken leg, did they think to say, oh, yeah, there were three babies before. And then right after that, there's another baby. Did anybody tell you that?

I guess not. Nobody told us until after we were out of the hospital. Henrico Police Department told us that there were other victims that suffered similar fractures around the same time as my son. And that's when we first learned about it. The police department had to tell you that. Let me ask you a question. I'm a criminal lawyer, but I know this much about civil law. I hope you and your wife have a good lawyer. So at no point when the doctor is explaining to you, your baby has a fractured leg and it took the forces, Maroney just said, of cracking a broomstick to do it. They didn't say, and we've had that problem before. They hid

that from you until police told you that you had no idea. There is no way hell would freeze over before I would have my children in a NICU unit where other babies had had fractured bones. Oh, no. But you didn't know that, did you? No idea. Nobody. None of the other families knew as well. We all thought that we were isolated incidents.

And honestly, that's why a lot of us kept quiet for so long. We didn't know that there were other people out there who went through similar experiences with that hospital. Dominique and Tori Hackey start speaking out after Virginia Child Services informed them that their newborn baby Noah had been abused by an employee at the NICU when he suffered a fractured leg following his premature birth. Noah was one of the four babies who suffered unexplained injuries. This would not be the first time. And of course, you know, Dominic, Hackey was looked at long and hard because parents of an injured or missing child are always the first suspect statistically. He could be the angel Gabriel that came down from

heaven and sat down in front of police. He would still be the number one suspect statistically. Again, it's not the first time that a hospital employee has inflicted pain, suffering, even death on an innocent newborn. Does the name Lucy Letby ring a bell? Because that's a name that echoes in my mind all the time. Listen. Registered nurse Lucy Letby gets her dream job in the neonatology unit at Countess of Chester Hospital, working many extra shifts in the small unit. Letby says she enjoys watching the infants progress and supporting their families, but patients under her care experience an unusual amount of medical emergencies and even death. After years of other doctors and nurses expressing their concerns, the hospital finally launches an investigation, finding that seven babies were injured and seven

babies died under Letppy's care. Handwritten notes indicate the nurse injected air into the infant's bloodstream or gave them lethal doses of insulin minutes before consoling their grieving parents. Oh, my stars. Okay, Dr. Moroney, I got to ask you what that means, injecting air or insulin. But to Dr. John Delatore, and we all need a shrink right now, a licensed psychologist who specializes in forensic psychology. Dr. Delatore, did you hear that last bit about Lucy Letby? May she rot in hell. She would console the parents who are grieving after their newborn infant, just like Mr. Hackney's babies, die. So she kills them and then she comforts the parents.

That is freaky. Yeah, it's absolutely freaky and it's extremely dangerous. And I think there are two complicating aspects to this. The first part is she wants the attention that she gets for being this grand nurse who's there to console. But in reality, she hates these children. In reality, she wants nothing more than to be than to get rid of them. That's the level of anger and animosity that need to be there in order to inflict pain on a vulnerable child. This level of hate and anger and annoyance is complicating this idea that she also wants the attention of being the person that is there to, quote unquote, care for them. And it's the attention that she really wants. But in reality, she hates that she has to deal with these children in order to get it. We investigated the Lucy Letby case. Listen to investigative reporter Alexis Tereszczuk.

First time it was a tragedy, but immediately the way that she reacted was a red flag. She wanted to come back to work immediately while everybody else was devastated and crushed by this. Each time a child died, each time a baby died and she was there, she wanted to come back to work and insisted on, remember many of them were twins or triplets, she wanted to work with the other sibling immediately. And that really raised a red flag. So the doctors and the nurses really complained about her and said, this is really very, very suspicious. You think it's weird that she would console the parents after killing their newborn? That's not all. Listen.

After the death of a fifth baby on her unit, Lucy Letby wants to go to the funeral, but is working at the time and unable to attend, so she sends a condolence card to the family titled, Your Loved One Will Be Remembered, with many smiles. Inside, Letby wrote, at the time and unable to attend so she sent a condolence card to the family titled your loved one will be remembered with many smiles inside let me wrote there are no words to make this time any easier she will always be a part of your lives and we will never forget her thinking of you today and always lots of love lucy let me then took a picture of the card and kept it as a keepsake. Okay. Dominic Hackey is joining us. His twins were in the NICU when he and his wife learn,

after a very difficult pregnancy and delivery and emergency C-section, that, astonishingly, one of their babies has a fractured leg out of nowhere. You're hearing about Lucy Letby, who would murder the infants and then console the parents and help them plan the funeral. Did any of the nurses seem odd or act in an unusual way to you or to your wife? None of the nurses really talked to me. There were very few of them. A lot of them talked to my wife and directed a lot of care questions to my wife. It was almost as if I was incapable of making decisions for my kids and that she was the only capable one.

So I didn't form a lot of relationships with a lot of the nurses. Well, they probably suspected you, frankly, Mr. Hackey. They probably thought you were responsible because all the nurses think they know each other and they would never do anything to hurt a baby. And the dad or the mom is typically the perp. So no wonder they gave you the cold shoulder. They probably gave you the stink eye. Yeah. I'm sure once they learned, because I was very open with my mom reporting the incident to child protective services and things like that, that they, they were very cautious about me. NICU nightmare. A nurse under arrest for allegedly breaking the bones of premature infants in a Virginia hospital.

That's right. After they let the four nurses come back because their own investigation went nowhere. That's on them. There were more fractures. Wow. What a coincidence. Then we learn this from surveillance video placed in the hospital room. The hospital installed surveillance cameras throughout the NICU after the unexplained injuries of the previous year. Henrico County Police Detective Megan Lynch reviews the surveillance video and reports what she sees. Erin Straubman seen in the room with baby identified in paperwork as YH. On November 10th, Straubman grabs YH by the legs and applies pressure to the

legs. Straubman is seen on video placing her weight down on the legs of YH. Straubman is then seen taking both of the baby's legs and pushing them backwards to where YH's feet are at his head. YH appears to be crying and in distress. Oh, my stars. The baby's feet are back at his head? Mr. Hackey, have you seen this video? No, I haven't seen any videos.

I guarantee you, when you get the right lawyer, you will. So, Mr. Hackey, when were you told that the perpetrator was caught on video? I want to say maybe a couple weeks ago, towards the beginning of the year. By the time we left the hospital, there were were no cameras we were in there for 87 days so if they ever put in cameras we didn't know until these new stories came out um and when i learned of the three babies that's when i learned of that there was camera footage um didn't specifically say that they caught her on camera footage but at that time but learned that there was camera footage and that the police department the Commonwealth attorney everybody

was going to be working to review this footage around the clock and then of course once she was arrested is when we learned that you know they had caught her on footage. Nobody told us doing what, with whose baby, just that she was being brought up on charges in connection with this. And, you know, we'll just keep finding out along the way. So the hospital never told you, we've got her on video. You had to learn that from the district attorney's office. Dr. William Maroney, you heard what we have learned was on the video. You had to learn that from the district attorney's office. Dr. William Maroney, you heard what we have learned was on the video. What exactly does that mean? What does she do to the

baby according to the video? What it looks like is there's pressure to snap a leg by pushing it outside of what we call barriers. There's natural barriers that the muscles can use. Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, Dr. Maroney. You're talking to lay people. We don't know what are you saying. Pressure, barriers. Please speak English. We'll go back to when you put weight on that leg to snap that bone, it's equal to a vehicle hitting a wall at 20 miles an hour, but it happens in somebody's hands.

But how does she do it? What do you mean put weight? How does that happen? Well, they said in the words that were used, she pushed down that her body weight, her shoulders, her muscles pushed on a bone on legs on one instance, and then exceeding the normal range of hips and backs and legs, she twisted the legs so far back that a baby that's a flat piece of pasta, it's a noodle, suddenly becomes an elbow.

That's unnatural. The body, even adults, children, they don't bend like that. When you bend something like that, something breaks. They're very lucky. We don't know the results, but that could have snapped somebody's spine and made somebody permanently paralyzed for life. That's the amount of pressure. 20 miles an hour, a car hitting a fence. 20 miles an hour, a car hitting a brick wall. That's the amount of force and weight from what was done to those babies' bones. To Barry Hutchinson joining us, 28 years in LE law enforcement. Now, owner, chief investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services.

Barry, thank you for being with us. What the H-E-double-L is wrong with this hospital. Their investigation yielded nothing. And then as soon as the four nurses that had put on paid leave, I might add this woman charged with breaking the bones of little NICU infants that weigh four pounds. And she is on paid leave. Are you kidding me? But their investigation yielded nothing. Are you surprised that the hospital found out nothing

while investigating itself? No, that's pretty much common practice. They're going to do everything they can to shield their own liability. And I mean, that's a travesty in itself. That's another story to be told. But there's no way that you could ever, ever convince me that there wasn't already surveillance in place in that NICU in adjacent hallways, et cetera, et cetera, that they could track each one of these individual nurses and find out exactly a timeline of who was around the child

and when they were around the child. You know what? You're absolutely right. They had all that in the records. Who was working the day before the injury manifested? Who was working in the day of the injury. That shouldn't be so difficult to uncover, yet they didn't. To Greg Morse joining me, high-profile lawyer and partner at the law firm of King and Morse, author of The Untested on Amazon. Greg Morse, I'm sorry to report, I'm not surprised at all. You heard Dominic Hackey, the dad, saying the doctor never even explained to us really exactly what had happened, didn't mention that employee may have done this. Nobody told me that other infants before my baby Noah was attacked had been attacked. I'm not surprised at all the hospital didn't tell him any of that and didn't tell him, hey, we have surveillance

video. I want you to know we know who did it. Never breathe a word, Greg. Well, that's the bigger or an issue here also is the hospital's cover-up and what's particularly troubling to me is that they question these parents as you pointed out they're the first suspects there is no world where the hospital doesn't know this is going on with all these babies and they're like your previous uh uh expert said they're trying to shield their liability and And that's really, that's, that's really, you know, a comment on our healthcare. We, we value profits over care, and this is what you get. You, you talked about your own children, Nancy. Imagine a doctor says to you, well, when we give needles, sometimes bones break. There's no world where anybody believes that. There's no world where that's not investigated.

But if the people investigating are sweeping it under the rug, then what do you do? And it's heartbreaking for these families what they've had to endure and then to be a suspect, essentially by the hospital administrator so they could hide their own malfeasance and their own negligence and turning a blind eye to these things. Seven potential abuse cases are now under scrutiny and investigators say there could be more. Police investigators are scouring hundreds of hours of surveillance footage to determine what happened. Reports say at least three of the affected families were in court for Strotman's appearance. Only one family has spoken publicly so far and that father says another couple told him their child suffered 12 fractures. Strotman has been formally charged in just one baby's case. As the investigation continues, Strotman's public defender says she has not entered a plea as yet

and is being held without bail. Her next court appearance is scheduled for March 24th. Mr. Hackey, is that true? Another baby had 12 fractures? I hate to say it, but yes. Have you talked to any of the other parents? Yes, I'm currently in contact with five of the other families, so six families, including myself. It's worked wonders for myself and the other families just to have other people who have gone through this situation, who have been gaslit by the hospital, whose birthing stories are similar to our story. And we just all feel like we were

failed from the moment we stepped foot in that hospital to the moment that we left, because we had no idea that anybody had even been let go in relation to our son's cases until the news put it out there this year. Mr. Hackey, I want to thank you for speaking out. There are parents all over the country whose children suffer injuries or worse in the hospital and they are fed the line. It's normal. We don't know how this happened. It's not normal. Mr. Hackey, have you ever lain awake at night and thought about how lucky you are? She didn't kill your baby.

Every night, ever since all of the details of this story were learned, because like I said, I'm just learning of the severity of the other cases. So I'm very blessed that I'm able to come home and hold my two little babies, kiss them, hold my wife, hug her. and we can sit down as a family and attack this monster head on, all of us together. And everybody is healthy and happy. And I'm just truly blessed that my outcome and my situation did not end in death. You know, Mr. Hackey, you're so much a better person than I am. You're thinking about your blessings.

I would want to burn the place down with her in it. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. goodbye friend you're listening to an iHeart podcast