Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - ARMED PERV RISES FROM BACK SEAT OF MINIVAN, MOM & KIDS SCREAM IN FEAR! 'DON'T BE A VICTIM'

Episode Date: July 9, 2021

Never underestimate the power of a locked door. A mother discovers the truth here when a man hides in her minivan, then threatens the family.Joining Nancy Grace Today: Jim Elliott -Attorney with Butler Snow, Legal Counsel for various Georgia municipalities and other governmental entities. www.butlersnow.com Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, www.carynstark.com  Steven Lampley - Former Detective, Author of "12 and Murdered" Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author,"Blood Beneath My Feet" Ray Caputo -Lead News Anchor for WDBO Orlando Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When you are driving along in your car, do you zone out, listen to music, your favorite songs, talk radio, serious? Don't. And I'll tell you why. First of all, I tell you all about it in this brand new book. Took two years to research, write, and get to you. Don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime wave. You don't have to be powerless. You can fight back. And let's start with you in your car driving dangers. I want you to meet who I now consider a friend of mine. Her name is Dorothy Baker. She's a mother of six and she lived to tell

a tale to save you. First of all, Dorothy Baker, thank you so much for being with us. What happened when you went into the CVS? I got them in the car. We went through the driver's side front seat, and I had them climb over the seat. My 5-year-old was buckling up my 2-year-old, and we take off. What kind of car is it? It was a Dodge Grand Caravan.

It was a minivan. So you have a minivan like me. Okay. So you're getting into a van, and you all get in on the driver's side. Now, does it have one of those instant door openers where you just push the button and it opens? No, it didn't have that. But my key fob, I guess there was some kind of factory default or something like that, or defect. And when you would press the key fob to lock the doors, the doors looked locked, but they didn't always lock. Rule number one, lock your doors.

Dorothy thought the doors were locked, but they weren't. With me, an all-star panel to break it down and put it back together again to help you fight back. Joining me, of course, Dorothy Baker, Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow. You can find him at butlersnow.com. Karen Stark, New York psychologist. Joining us from Manhattan at kStark.com, Steve Lampley, detective, author of 12 and Murdered on Amazon at SteveLampley.com. Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of a new show, Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network, Joseph Scott Morgan, Tom Pateri, America's leading personal safety expert, author of Tom Pateri's Personal Protection Handbook, and it's awesome.

And to Ray Caputo, lead news anchor, WDBO Orlando. You know, Ray Caputo, we're going to get to the rest of Dorothy's story, but crimes on people in cars happen all the time. I can't tell you how many nights Ray Caputo will be sitting there in HLN Studios in a dark studio, and I would start the story off with a white minivan. Tag XYZ123, last seen in her car, in her Volkswagen, in her Honda. I mean, I said it over and over and over, people being veered off the road, road raged, stopped in their cars, attacked, kidnapped, and murdered. Over and over and over. How many stories have you covered like that, Ray Caputo?

Nancy, in the Orlando area here, it's nonstop. We have I-4, tons of traffic. People are always getting around. Lots of tourists, especially, which are easy targets. You know, but just yesterday morning, there was a murder-suicide in a car, another carjacking. I mean, it really is nonstop nowadays. Well, I'll tell you this much. They messed with the wrong mom there in Baytown, Texas,

when they tried to mess with Dorothy Baker, mother of six. So, Dorothy, what happened next? I drive away, and my son, my oldest boy, decided that he was going to unbuckle his seatbelt to try to get the donuts. And I told him to sit down. Wait a minute. How do donuts get into this? Where were the donuts? We had actually saw the man at Kroger's right across the street.

I went to Kroger's first. You saw him at Kroger. Yeah. And I was walking into Kroger's because I was going to grab a few items and then turn in a red box DVD. When when I first saw him, I had to pass by him. I thought maybe he might have been a worker, but the feeling that I got when I saw him, my whole body just kind of moved away from him. I don't need to be around him. He had a very bad vibe, if you can believe that. You know, to Steve Lampley, detective,

author of 12 and Murder, right there, I want to ask you, a bad vibe. You know, I've heard crime victims say that a million times, and it's happened to me too. Instinctively, you know somebody is violent or bad. And I don't think it's a hunch, Steve Lampley. I think it's part of instinct born over thousands and thousands of years. Nancy, you're correct. And I can't tell you not only from the victim standpoint of people that I have talked to who have told me the very same thing. I got a feeling.

I had this gut instinct. I had something. And even myself as a police officer have had that happen. And when you go to check or you follow through, your gut instinct is correct. I always listen to people who tell me I felt this or I felt like that always. You know, Karen Stark, a psychologist joining us from Manhattan, a lot of pseudo-intellectuals will probably disagree with me, but I have been known to, quote, get a feeling,

and it turns out to be exactly right. It's some kind of something you pick up off the person, because you hear Dorothy talking. She saw the guy and she almost physically recoiled. You have to trust your instincts in these cases, Nancy, because I think it's part of our DNA. You know, you're talking about an instinct that has grown inside of people. And there's a reason that it's there. You have the history and you've got to pay attention to it. It's very inside of people, and there's a reason that it's there. You have the history, and you've got to pay attention to it. It's very, very important.

If it feels bad, go with your gut. You know, to you, Dorothy Baker, one of our favorite things to do is to drive to, it was for a long time, for 10 years across the street from where I lived, my favorite thing in the world to eat, a Krispy Kreme donut. You know, hot donuts now, the glazed ones. Long story short, let me get off the donuts and back to your story. What happened next? When I told my five-year-old son at the time, he got up to get some donuts and I told him to sit down. Well, when he went

to sit back down, he actually saw the guy and he said, hey, who are you? Oh, my stars. And I looked in my rearview mirror and that's when he grabbed my son and put the knife to my son's throat. I'm just trying to take in what you're saying. I mean, you know, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, there's even a movie, which, of course, I've shown the twins, Rear Window. And it's in our psyche. I mean, it's in our subconscious looking in the rear window and seeing just what Dorothy's describing right now. You see a guy come up in the rear window and you've got your children back there. Yeah, I'm a forensic scientist by trade, Nancy. And I got to tell you, these feelings that people have, you see this threat that's approaching and your senses start

tingling and you know that there is something wrong. This is a reality. I have seen the end result of these things that have gone bad over and over and over again. It is better to react to that gut instinct than to have something really, really bad happen. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime wave. This is a labor of love.

My proceeds going to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children Took over two years to research, write, and get this to you. I take all the cases I investigated, all the cases I personally prosecuted and covered over all these years to make a difference, to come up with something, not just rehash the bloody details of cases, but to figure out what, if anything, have we learned? How can we use that knowledge so we don't go through life powerlessness, powerless against those stronger or more cunning than we are. Those people that are predators that think differently than we do.

I don't like the feeling of powerlessness. Don't live that way. Learn what you can do to fight back because you can with me special guest tom patiri america's leading personal safety expert author of tom patiri's personal protection handbook as far as i'm concerned tom in most cases the vast majority of cases once the perp is in your car it's over once they get in your car it it's over. Yes. And the problem with this is there's two ways to deal with things. You'd be proactive or reactive. We're a reactive society. That's why we get ourselves into different troubles. We're preoccupied with

things like that. Proactive. Let's look at the vehicle as a protective veil. When you go to your vehicle, especially with kids, you need to bypass that vehicle, maybe one car. Take a good look at the vehicle as a protective veil. When you go to your vehicle, especially with kids, you need to bypass that vehicle, maybe one car. Take a good look at the surroundings of the vehicle. If you see somebody coming toward you, you get those kids closer to you, you go back to where you came from. As you circle into the vehicle, look into that vehicle as with Ms. Baker said about her, you know, locks not being locked because of the keypad. So you look inside the vehicle. And believe me, when you have kids on your hands, it's even more cumbersome to do this. But if we take that five seconds or six seconds of safety, it could prevent us from being a victim.

Dorothy, you're a miracle. You are a miracle that you survived to join us today What happened next? While I'm driving, I'm trying to dial 911 without him seeing me with my phone And when he ends up jumping into the, climbing over the seats and into the front seat He saw me with my phone and he tried to get it And I moved my hand, but I hit my hand on the door And my phone dropped in between the door and the seat. And he's trying to get it.

I'm trying to drive. And when he realized he couldn't get it, that's when he tries to flip my throat. And I'm fighting him, trying to drive. And my kids are screaming in the backseat. I'm trying to keep the knife away from any part of my body. And I see a telephone pole on the right-hand side of the road, and my first thought is, he's not wearing a seatbelt. If I hit that pole, if I go fast enough, he'll go through the windshield. If I don't go fast enough, he'll at least hit his head hard

enough to where he may be dazed, and I can fight him off and finish talking to or calling 911, do something. It's amazing to me you're having this thought process as a guy is in the car. Luckily, you're in. The boys are all buckled in. So your mind immediately goes to, if I crash into this phone pole, he'll fly through the windshield. I mean, to you, Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow at butlersnow.com. Jim, you have seen so many vehicular homicides and we hear, quote, the car got out of control. The motorcycle got out of control.

I don't think most people have the wherewithal to come up with a plan when they've got their children in the car screaming. A guy rears up in the back and the rear window with a knife. Now he's up front with a knife with you, and here she is coming up with a plan. Most people that have vehicular mishaps, they lose control. They can't think of a plan. Exactly. I mean, this is exactly the opposite of losing control. She exactly had control of a plan. Exactly. I mean, this is exactly the opposite of losing control. She exactly had

control of the vehicle and knew how smart to have that thought in an instant to do an accident that hopefully would hurt him. And you also hear Jim Elliott, you never hear of people dying in a crash when the car's not moving. Here she is moving down the street, and this guy is up front with a knife. Typically, in your practice, the faster you go, the more likely it is you're going to die. That's right. That's right. Truly, her mother instincts kicked in, didn't they?

I'm just surprised she could think that clearly. Go ahead, Dorothy. I'm driving with one hand, and I'm just surprised she could think that clearly. Go ahead, Dorothy. I'm driving with one hand and I'm constantly switching hands. Depending on where the knife was, I was constantly switching hands, keeping my hand, one hand on the steering wheel and the other hand fighting. Really, it was my right hand because I'm right-handed. So I was mainly using my right hand to fight him off. And I managed to push him. So he went for your throat? He went for your throat with a knife? He went for my throat first and then tried my side and then my legs.

He was trying to do some damage. He was not just messing around. So he slashed you all the way across your chest at the time when you were slashed with the knife across your chest over your heart. Did you even feel the pain or were you in shock? What happened? I didn't feel anything. But I thought bigger and better than you have tried to end me. And it's not going down like this. You know, to Jessica Morgan, she seemingly didn't feel when this guy slashed her with a knife from shoulder all the way across her heart and breast. She said she didn't feel it.

Yeah, adrenaline's kicking in at this point. I mean, there's all kinds of things that you're not going to feel because you become desensitized to it because you are laser-focused on the fact. Listen, you're talking about a mama bear with her cubs in the backseat, Nancy. There's nothing that's going to get between her and those babies trying to protect them. And so she's going to take these desperate measures, try to get this guy off of her. Can you imagine somebody coming at you with an edged weapon to try to slice you to pieces? And you know what's going to happen to your kids if you don't defend them. Dorothy, is it true he bit you?

Well, when he bit my hand, he was trying to get me to let go of his knife, because I had his knife by then. And I've got the scars on my hand to prove it. Wait, you managed to disarm Ismael Martinez? You got the knife away from him? Yeah, I got the knife away from him. And that's why he bit my hand. Did you punch him in the face? I did. Did you punch him in the face? Where did it land? I hope in the nose because that really hurts. I had the knife in my right hand and he bit my hand. And when he realized that I wasn't going to let go, he just kind of looked at me and I switched the knife with from my right hand to my left hand and I just hauled off and and

punched him square in the jaw and he looked at me shocked well what were the boys doing during all this at some point uh my my youngest at the time he was, he had stopped crying. And my five-year-old, he actually hid. He really didn't do much anything. He was in shock. I mean, when the guy grabbed him, I could see all the life go out of my son's face. So that was not a good feeling. But my kids, they were safe.

They didn't get hurt. There was no cuts on them, no nothing. Well, let me ask you this. One goes into basically shock mode. Which one was in shock and which one was screaming his head off? My two-year-old, he was the one in the car seat screaming. And my older boy, the five-year-old, he was the one that went into shock. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about fighting back if you have an attack while you're going to or in your car. And with me, Dorothy Baker, who managed to survive a knife attack in her minivan with her little boys in the car.

Dorothy, do you remember the moment you hit the gas and mowed him down? Yeah, I do. I was watching him run away. And what went through my head was he was at Kroger's. He was close enough to walk there. He didn't have a vehicle. He had a knife this time. What happens if I see him next time and he has a gun and I have all my kids?

Or what happens if there's a mother who isn't going to be able to be able to help her kids, and she panics, and she's got a baby, and he goes after her. And I thought to myself, I'll be darned if I'm going to let that happen and watch him walk away. And my intention was, as he was running away, was I went after him, and I had my door to where I was going to open it and hit him with it. And when we were, when I was driving behind him, he made a swerve and I had sped up just, just right then at, I guess the perfect time. And I heard him hit my tires. And the only thing I thought after that was, Oh my God, I'm going to jail. Cause I just killed this man. What's going to happen to my tires. And the only thing I thought after that was, oh my God, I'm going to jail because I just killed this man. What's going to happen to my kid? Well, luckily she didn't kill

him and she didn't go to jail. This guy has a rap sheet as long as I-75. I'm so glad, Dorothy Baker, that let's just say your foot slipped and you mowed him down before he could knife attack another young mother. So, Dorothy, I know you're not surprised to discover you're front and center in the new book, Don't Be a Victim Fighting Back Against America's Crime Wave. When it comes to safety in cars, you're actually one of the very few crime victims that have lived to tell the tale. So how did your experience change you? It is. It always did. I didn't drive my van. I actually got rid of it. I still to this day will not let my kids in the car until I've looked in the car.

I'm always very observant of my surroundings and the people around me. I watch if they're following me or if they're going in the same direction. If I feel like someone's following me, I'll make detours to see. Things like that. I mean, it's made me, I'll make detours to see things like that. I mean, it's made me very, very untrusting of people. Dorothy lived. That's not true for countless others. Take a listen to our friends at Fox 7 News Austin. Brittany Parker's mother and father have not spoken with her since last Monday. Her phone is off and now without a car, her family is becoming increasingly worried for her safety.

It's hard every day. When I wake up, it's hard to avoid depression. I have to keep my mind centered on God. It would just be hard to cope. David Parker's daughter Brittany has been missing since Tuesday July 12th. On the 14th Hays County Sheriff's deputies called to say they'd found the 26 year old's vehicle with the keys still in it in a field in Kyle. I'm hoping Brittany just decided to go someplace and it's okay but when she her car's abandoned and she doesn't answer her phone it does lead to extreme concern this beautiful young texas girl goes missing in her toyota camry take a listen to our friends at fox 7 we do have an update on a missing persons case out of Hayes County.

Officials say they found and identified the body of Brittany Parker on Friday. She was reported missing since July 12th. Parker's body was found in the same cornfield where her Toyota Camry was found abandoned last month. Officials were able to pinpoint her location through phone records and GPS coordinates. Parker's cause of death is still under investigation. Straight out to Ray Caputo, lead news anchor WDBO Orlando. What happened? What are the facts around Brittany Parker's disappearance in her Toyota Camry? Well, Nancy, you know, Brittany was having a little trouble, according to her family. She had, you know, had some depression, and she was out.

And it was really simple that she was very out of character for that she was supposed to be coming back home, and nobody heard from her. This was Tuesday, July 12th of, I believe, 2016. This was in the South Austin area as well. This young girl goes missing in her Toyota Camry. Her parents try everything to locate her, holding out hope that she is still alive. She is found dead in her car. Her body found in a field off Old Mineral Springs Road in Walker County. But why?

What could have saved her life? Straight out to a special guest joining us. His name's Tom Pateri. He's known as America's leading personal safety expert and author of Tom Pateri's Personal Protection Handbook. What are things that all of us can do to protect ourselves in our vehicles? Okay, so let's look at society as a whole. Less than 7% will ever take a martial arts self-defense or safety course. So the people that are victimizing us know that, you know, 9 out of 10 people are going to be an easy mark. That being said, being proactive, all these phones can be tracked,

so they should have a phone locate on all the time. A check and balance. Hey, Mom, hey, Dad. Here's where I'm going to go. You know, when I get there, I'll call you. If not, they go track the phone. If they're in the vehicle. Okay. I don't care if the person has a weapon brandished and pointing at him. It's a protective veil. Hit the gas and take off. You'll see that statistical fact is the bad guy doesn't fire weapons blindly. He doesn't try to break through windows. He's using intimidation to get into the vehicle to go to an isolation zone. So if we're more proactive, if we feel in tune to our senses and take a little time to have safety sense instead of common sense will be much better. You know, and it always seems to start, Steve Lampley, detective and author of 12 and Murdered,

as in the case of Brittany, it seems to start so innocently. Someone's going to the grocery store or with Dorothy. She had been to Kroger and she saw this guy at Kroger. And what she didn't know is he followed her across the street with her little boys to CVS. So the fact that you're not alone, she had children with her, but he still targeted her. So seemingly innocent, simple things, errands, going to the mall, going to the grocery store, going to the pharmacy. That's where you're targeted. It is, Nancy. And I have told so many people over the years, even when I was a police officer,

detective, and even now, having retired for these many years, the real estate profession has a phrase. It says, location, location, location. Well car when you pull in you have to observe you really really have to pay attention and isn't it true jim elliott lawyer with butler snow at butlersnow.com jim elliott very often i'll put up in a red light and i'll look around i think you know what uh there's a huge jail population out on pardon, parole, probation, bond. I mean, millions and millions of them. Is that guy one of them? When I'm at the grocery store and I go, hi, was that guy out on bail for a violent crime? You never know who's around you, Joe Scott. You never know, Nancy, because this is the thing.

You're not watching them. They are watching you, particularly those individuals that are meant to do harm to those that are completely defenseless. You have to live in this world as if there are predators around every corner because, Nancy, the reality is that there are. Guys, we're talking about Don't Be a Victim, Fighting Back Against America's Crime Wave, a new book that took over two years to write for you to take back the power and fight back against criminals. Don't be a statistic.

Jenna Zipton, WSLS, tells us the story of Heather Chacon. An investigation underway after a woman was found dead in a vehicle in Spotsylvania County. Deputies discovered 21-year-old Heather Chacon's body in the passenger seat of her car Monday. The car was parked at the end of a driveway about 30 minutes from her home. Police say she had been shot and her death is suspicious. Police don't know of any connection between the woman and the home where she was found. Her parents say she lived with them and told them she was going to help a friend

whose car broke down. Now the family is pleading for answers. Please, if anybody has any information, can bring whoever did this to justice, please do so. Family members believe she was killed by another woman. They say she had been recently getting death threats. So, lured out in her car, on the side of the road, trying to repair a flat when everything goes wrong. Heather dead. How did it happen? And what can we do to stop crimes like that? Back to Tom Pateri, America's leading expert, personal safety, author of Tom Pateri's Personal Protection Handbook. And it's awesome.

Pulling over to fix a flat. Oh, man, it hurts me to even say it, Tom. I know. One of the newest ploys out there is that that flat was set up in most cases. It was done with a little puncture of a soul leak. Somebody following you, waiting for, you know, an isolation zone and then take advantage of. You know, the old adage was stay in your car, call the police and wait. The new adage is ride that car on the rim as you're calling the police. Don't stop the vehicle and they will be within prompt time. All right. The police are there to help, but they can't help if they don't know. So don't pull over in isolation zones no matter what. The vehicle can be replaced, but you cannot. I go through pages and pages of tips that I've gotten from experts from real life cases to help you not be a victim. When it comes to being in your car, don't be a victim. Here are a few.

Of course, make sure your doors are locked. How often do you drive around with them unlocked? Don't do it. At red lights, when you park, you're a sitting target. Some repairs have to wait. I get it. But not when it comes to your doors being locked. You heard Dorothy say she thought she locked her car, but her key fob

wasn't working. The car never locked. When you find yourself stopped at traffic, being at a red light or stop sign, waiting for the person in front of you to move, always leave plenty of space between yourself and them so you're never blocked in. To Tom Patieri, why is that so important? Well, one of the things that people do is called a box and two. A box and two is basically to get you in a situation where you can't move the vehicle. When you can't move the vehicle, you are at their bay. So if you give yourself that little extra out, you always stay out of fast lanes when you're coming to a light. If you are at a light and somebody approaches, you look left and right, go through the light.

You could always explain to the police officer, listen, you were a fear of your life, and this is why you did what you do. We have to start listening to ourselves. Our situational awareness is inside of us. That's the tingling all the experts talked about before. Be your own bodyguard by being proactive. Be super cautious at crowded intersections. How often have squeegee guys come up, street vendors, people asking for money, penhandlers, newspaper, water salesmen. I learned the hard ways, the prosecutor, that very often youths are tricked by adults into working scams.

You let your window down to buy a bottle of water or a candy bar from a kid who looks like they're trying to earn money. And the next thing you know, somebody comes in from the other side and gets in your car. That's why your car has got to be locked and the windows up when you come to intersections. Agree or disagree? Steve Lampley. Agree, Nancy. Agree. And even as a retired police officer, I do that. I leave space uh enough room between me and the vehicle in front of me if i need to get out i can i sit still and some people call me paranoid i just call it being observant and being safe i still sit with my back in the corner in a restaurant these are things second nature it is and i know everybody can't sit in the corner in a restaurant

because so many corners. But you have to do the things that you have to do to keep yourself, your friends, and family safe. Like locking your door. For me, now it's second nature. I immediately punch the button to lock my doors. Avoid distractions. Keep the volume low on podcast news or music. And in the same vein, do you really need to update your Instagram or text while you're driving or while you're at a red light or after you park your car? Can't you do it when you get home? For Pete's sake, show some self-control.

Joe Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. How many times have you heard of death fatalities? Because people are on their phone when they're driving, much less at red lights and when they first park their car or sit back down in their car in the parking lot. Yeah. You know, I got to tell you, Nancy, it used to be where I was terrified of drunk drivers, and I still am. But now I see, you know, I'm a college professor, I see kids walking around campus all the time with their nose buried in a phone. I see people riding around campus with their nose buried in the phone. There's so many distractions in this world. And it is absolutely terrifying. Because like I have said, predators are looking

for that way in. They're looking for that leverage. They're looking for that place where they can attack you and get what they want, either property, maybe your wallet, maybe your car, maybe they want your car or, you know, in these horrible situations, your life. They want to do harm to you and your family. And the reality is to get the things you're mentioning, they will kill you to get them. And to Jim Elliott, attorney with Butler Snow at butlersnow.com. Jim, isn't it a traffic violation or a crime now for you to be texting and driving? Certainly is. Every state has adopted laws of that sort, yet you see people all the time doing it. It's amazing. Predators, criminals, they can't wait for you to ease up at a red light or a stop sign and get on that phone.

You'll never hear them walking up to your driver's side door. The next thing you know, the first thing you'll know, that door is open and they're in your car. So where are you supposed to go? Why do you think they're in your car? They want something. Like Joe Scott said, your pocketbook, your money, your laptop, or you. So many of these ladies are raped, sodomized, and murdered, taken out of their car. How are these people getting in? That predator is just walking around that parking lot at CVS, waiting for you to come

park, and then look down on your phone. They can't wait. I mean, you know, Karen Stark, I keep talking about them like they're wolves, but they very much are like, let's just say the hyena at the watering hole in the Serengeti. Here we are, the gazelle coming up to drink and we're not looking up, we're looking down and that's just what they want. Why, after all this time, do we still seem to go to our safe spot in our head and not realize what's going on around us? Well, there's so many distractions, especially today, Nancy, as you said. We've got iPhones. We could look at social media. And there's this false sense of security. It's just we're not living anymore in where the Serengeti were. We're supposed to be very conscious of the fact that we're prey. But we are prey.

And the more that you're in a vulnerable situation, the more you're going to attract somebody who's just looking to attack you. Don't give rides to strangers. Thank Ted Bundy. Charge your phone. Keep a charger in your car. Use GPS. Be careful when you ask strangers for directions. What do you do if you have a flat or car trouble? What do you do if somebody bumps into you on purpose at a red light? I'm not trying to scare you. None of us on the panel today are trying to scare you. We're actually trying to save your life. Don't be a victim. Fight back. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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