Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Blac Chyna vs. Rob Kardashian & did dad shoot daughter?

Episode Date: July 11, 2017

A judge orders Rob Kardashian to stop posting about Blac Chyna on social media, but the model's lawyer insists she does not want to start a war with her baby's father. In this episode, Nancy Grace talks with reporter Sean Walsh about the family feud. Reporter Alexis Tereszcuk discusses the latest in the arrest of an Oklahoma man accused in the shooting death of his daughter. Child advocate Ashley Willcott talks about a Florida toddler allegedly murdered by his mom's live-in girlfriend. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. This restraining order to protect me and I'm just going to get back to co-parenting dreams. Rob has been ordered to stay away from China and is not allowed to post any photos of her on social media. It was like a huge weight was lifted off of her shoulders. She's not trying to start a war. Abuse, baitings, punching a mom in front of her little boy, threatening gun violence, revenge porn. What? You know, I'm talking about Rob Kardashian and girlfriend Blac Chyna, who was just photographed all smiles

after being granted a restraining order after her claims rob kardashian punches her in front of her little boy and threatens to kill himself with a gun black china a celebrity in her own right appears in court early in the morning with her lawyer and was given a tro against rob kardashian kardashian has joint custody of their child, a little girl named Dream, who was with her father at the time of the hearing. Now, the woman at issue, Blac Chyna, claims in an interview that Rob Kardashian physically abused her in April of this year, but she is just coming forward now.

Why? She also claims in court papers filed that she is, quote, terrified of Kardashian. Hold on. It's also reported in December, Black China choked Kardashian with a phone cord and destroyed $35,000 worth of property in his home. What in the hay is going on? With me to sort it all out, a friend and colleague from DailyMail.com, Sean Walsh. Sean, help me.

Help me understand this. If she is afraid of Rob Kardashian, and you and you know i always always sigh with the victim i know rob kardashian or at least think i do because we did dancing with the stars together i never saw a mean bone in his body but i'm on the outside looking in but if she's afraid of him didn't she send him taunting photos of herself in their bed wearing jewelry that he purportedly had given her while she's making out with another guy? Nancy, it's nice to be with you. And yes, she did.

What happened was... Don't try to butter me up with niceties, okay? Just tell me. These are very serious allegations. Very serious allegations. And I mean, you can see that they have been taken very seriously. In fact, when his attorney who appeared for him today, the famous Robert Shapiro, was in court, he even apologized for Mr. Kardashian and said that he wanted to put this matter behind him

and move forward for the sake of their child. But there was a lot of drama leading up to this moment, Nancy. Wait, who apologized to who? Robert Shapiro. You know Robert Shapiro very well, Nancy, from the O.J. Simpson case. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. He was appearing in court for Robert Kardashian. And he said that he agreed to stipulate to the terms of the restraining order. But he also apologized for Kardashian regarding everything that has happened that we have watched played out over the last week. Explain to me something. I didn't even understand what they were talking about the first time I heard the term revenge

porn. And frankly, the first time I saw it was in the Daily Mail. I might add that. Revenge porn is when you're in a committed relationship with someone and you and your partner will film intimate acts together or take photographs. And then upon the completion of that relationship, one partner who is in possession of those photographs or videos uses them to shame their ex. So this often happens online. This video or photograph is used on social media to say, look, this is so-and-so, this is what they did.

And so what Blac Chyna is alleging is what happened to her last week, that when Rob Kardashian believed his relationship was over, he posted intimate pictures of Blac Chyna on his social media account. The first account he posted it on was Instagram. Okay, hold on. Number one, ladies, please hear me. Don't let anybody take naked pictures of you, please. Man, nobody wants to see your naked pictures to start with. And I think I speak on behalf of a lot of people. But ladies, please, please don't do it. That said, that said, you know, if some guy asked you to take a picture naked, just say, you know what, just keep that snapshot in your mind and keep it a secret.

That will make it even more special. Okay. Nobody knows about it but you. Exactly. Whatever happened to just memories, Nancy? Just memories. Distant memories for people with twins. Okay.

Very distant memories. But why is Blac Chyna famous? Why is she famous okay so black china is famous because she used to date tiger now tiger oh this is really getting weird didn't he date kardashian sister convoluted family train yes that correct. And she had a baby with him called Kim. And it's not Tiger. Okay, you said Tiger. T-I-G-E-R. It's not Tiger. It's Tiger. I think it's my accent. Get with it, Sean, or you won't be with it

much longer. So they had a baby together. No, she was famous before that, Sean. She had to be famous before that. She had an interesting career in entertainment, you might say. No, I don't know what that means. That could mean a lot.

Entertainment. What do you mean by entertainment? She was a stripper. I believe that she was a stripper. Whoa, who just whispered she was a stripper? Is that you, Alan Duke, whispering in my ear? She's a stripper. Is she a stripper or no?

I was trying to be polite. She was a stripper who then, let's say, transitioned into what they call urban modeling. And she was on these magazine covers. And then she started making a transition into music videos as the featured dancer in music videos. She was a double in a video for Nicki Minaj. I love Nicki Minaj. I love Anaconda. video she was a double in a video for nikki minaj i love nikki minaj and i guess you guys know i got to meet nikki minaj when i was uh a so-called judge on a show swift justice and nikki minaj was a litigant before me and you'll be happy to know i ruled in her favor and took a picture with her okay go ahead so she then then drake name name dropped her in a song, in a rap song.

Then other people name dropped her. And hey, the rest is history. And then she met Tyga after that. Okay, so she's famous in her own right. I get it. Now, I want to look at the lawyer here. Shapiro, very well-known lawyer, very good lawyer, even killed, very even killed. Now, this is how I know Shapiro, not just from O.J. Simpson's case,

but I had a program with Johnny Cochran, God rest his soul, and through Cochran met Shapiro. Of course, I was boiling just beneath the surface because I blamed all of them about O.J. Simpson getting off. But Shapiro and Rob Kardashian's father were very good friends before Kardashian's father passed away. So that is how Kardashian is in on this. Now that we've got all that straight, the family tree, so to speak, let me understand what the allegations are sean okay so there are a few things going on here um she um was very concerned that she was being cyber bullied so the reason she got this temporary restraining order being what

cyber bullied you know when you talk australian like that i'm not sure exactly what you're saying you gotta slow it down for me a little bit okay so she was claiming it's like you talk Australian like that, I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. You've got to slow it down for me a little bit, okay? So she was claiming – It sounds like a British accent on crack. I just – please, say that again. Tell me the charges. Okay, so China went to court to apply for a temporary restraining order because she was being cyberbullied by Rob Kardashian.

Now, this all stemmed from the incident that occurred last week, Nancy, where Rob was on his Instagram account, relaying the details of his relationship and why he had broken up with Blac Chyna. Now, when he went through that, he posted some very personal images of Chyna's body parts. I don't think there was a body part he didn't post online. And then on top of that, he posted a video that Black China had sent him of her making out with another man in his bed. So she sent that to him and he posted it? And he posted it online. Now, she said the reason she did that was that their relationship had been over since the end of last year, beginning of this year, and that she just wanted him out of her life.

So she thought by sending him this video, he'd back off. But the opposite happened. The video sent him over the edge. He then started putting these posts up on social media. I mean, Instagram even took the post down, and then he transferred over to his Twitter account and started making more posts there. So China said enough is enough. So tell me what the possible outcome is. I mean, if she wants to pursue this civilly or criminally, if it's true,

if it's true, it's going to be a very easy matter in proving it because if it's true it will have come from his account if he denies that's from his account that can be forensically proven now what would a jury do if it went that far of course I don't think it is going to go that far but if it did how would a jury respond to her sit taunting him by sending him this video of her with another man wearing Kardashian's jewelry he gave her in their bed? He sends her the video and he posts it. I don't think a jury in their right mind is going to convict on that.

But the body parts are another thing. You know, I hear you. I mean, can you imagine trying to find a jury that doesn't have one person on there who hasn't been cheated on in the relationship? Yeah, but posting, I mean, I don't think that they would convict Kardashian on that. But as far as showing naked photos of her that he took while they were having a relationship, that's a whole other can of worms, right? I believe they would convict on that, civil or criminal, and it's not going to be difficult to prove. So what's going to happen now? Is this for real? Or is this a publicity stunt? Is this

a way to just get a civil settlement? What do you think, Sean? You know, I do think this is real. And I do think it's very serious. And I think the fact that you have Robert Shapiro apologizing outside on behalf of his clients says that both sides are taking this seriously, albeit China's taking it very seriously in that she's got two attorneys representing her.

I would not accept that. If this is true, I would want to hear it from the horse's mouth. Now, I know he won't apologize publicly because it would indicate guilt but i would want to hear him apologize now that would mean something to me but um and she's got a great lawyer uh lisa bloom that's gloria allred's daughter so she learned from the best and i worked with lisa for a long time at court tv uh so she learned from the best. And I worked with Lisa for a long time at Court TV. So she's representing black China.

You've got Shapiro representing Kardashian. It's hard for me to imagine they can't strike a deal on this, which will involve a lot of money. So what is Kardashian doing for a living right now? I wanted him to go to law school. I got a hold of him and his mother at Dancing with the Stars. Eh, that didn't work out. Well, you know, he's a

sock designer, Nancy. So he designs his own range of socks that you can buy through his social media accounts. So, I mean, this has been an ongoing storyline in the Kardashians for many years that he was this sock designer and created his own socks. So he's selling socks.

So I think he's going to need to sell a lot more pairs of socks. What's he looking at? Okay, I get the sock thing. I get it. What kind of jail time are we talking about? What kind of money are we talking about? You know, that's all up in the air. I mean, I've read that in California, I think it's six months probation.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, it's six months probation. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, it's six months probation. You know, here's the other thing. How many times have we seen a sex tape or photos like this actually relaunch or launch someone's career? We have seen this before. I wonder how this whole thing is going to play out. But I can tell you what concerns me the most.

No woman wants to have naked photos of herself publicized in this manner. So if this happened, if this happened, there's a very clear-cut case on this, if it's true. Because even though we may not approve of some of the things Black China has done,

I don't give a fig if she stripped or not, but sending him videos of her with another man and his jewelry and his bed, I mean, that could push him over the edge. But that still does not justify him releasing these images. But what bothers me the most is the allegations he punched her oh that is a concern to me there is and you know there's allegations on both sides nancy it seems like all was not right in the house of kardashian uh china claims that on april 8th this year rob kardashian boy that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. All is not right in the house of Kardashian. You darn right, because he accused her of choking him with a phone cord

and destroying $35,000 worth of property, which he says was caught on surveillance video. Hello? Yeah, which, I mean, would all add to this. And then on top of it, she says that in April this year, he beat her in front of her four-year-old son, Ken Cairo, and ripped a door off its hinges as she ran to hide. So, I mean, there's allegations of violence on both sides.

Okay, you know what? I've got a funny feeling this will not be solved behind closed doors. Okay? This will not be solved behind closed doors. But the gist of it. Well, the door was ripped from the entrance, Nancy. This will not be solved behind closed doors. But the gist of it. Well, the door was ripped from the entrance, Nancy. The takeaway in my mind is about abuse within a relationship. The alleged choking with a phone cord.

The alleged destruction of nearly $50,000 worth of property in the home. The allegations of punching and pulling out a gun and threats it escalates and even though these people are famous each in their own right they are both famous they both have a lot of money the point is not that the point is when this is happening in your relationship, you have to get out because it always escalates. It always escalates. And your children are seeing all of this and they're thinking that's the way people live. And then they grow up and they do the same thing. And I'm saying this, Sean, after all my years prosecuting and all my years working at the Battered Women's Center as a volunteer,

it's a cycle, and the children see it, and their children see it, and it goes on and on and on. And I want to stop it. It's tragic, Nancy. With me, Sean Walsh from Adeleemail.com. I wake up with you every morning, Sean, on my iPad, of course. Thank you for being with us. I want to pause and thank our sponsor, our partner in today's podcast.

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Cops say her body was moved. Why? I'm not quite sure I can put all these pieces together because when the cops get there, they see her father digging in the yard with his hands. The father calls 911 and says his daughter, his 22-year-old daughter, Kelly Jo McMullen, had committed suicide. They raced to the home of Ronald Ronnie McMullen, 43 years old, and he says she shot herself in the face. Joining me, special guest, colleague, and friend Alexis Tereschuk from RadarOnline.com. Alexis, you know, after all the years I spent prosecuting, one of the books I really relied on was Method and Assessment of Homicide and Suicide. And it is almost statistically unheard of for a female of her age, her socioeconomic status to a commit suicide by shooting specifically,

even less likely commit suicide by shooting in the face. Okay. So something isn't right here. Her body was lying in the entryway of the home, and it looked as if blood had been wiped up in the kitchen. Okay, we're just scratching the surface here. Alexis Tereschuk, weigh in. So, what the police say, that as soon as they got to this house, they thought that her dad,

that Kaylee's dad, Ronald, was suspicious. They said he was covered in blood, but the thing was... Alexis, hold on. Before we go any further, listen to this 911 call where Ronald McMullen tells police his daughter

has shot herself in the face. Listen. Your name and phone number? Ronnie McMullen. Okay, what's the problem there? My daughter was shot. Your daughter was shot?

Yes, just come to this address, please. Sir, do not hang up. Did she do it to herself? Yes. 20, please. Sir, do not hang up. Did she do it to herself? Yes. Tony, okay. Is there any way she can still be alive? I don't know. Thank you.

I don't know what to do. Okay, sir, I'm trying to help you. Try and stay calm, okay? Just come here. Sir, they are on the way. You talking to me is not slowing them down, okay? Okay. Okay, where is she shot at? on the way. You talking to me is not slowing them down, okay? Okay.

Okay, where is she shot at? In the face. How old is she? 22. Okay. Can you see her breathing at all? No. Okay. Is she cold or changing color? Do you know? I don't know. I just don't know. Okay. Are you able to go to her to find out if she's breathing? Yes. Okay. Let me know when you are by her. I'm lighter.

Okay. Do you see or feel any breathing? She's not breathing. Okay. Do you know, did you hear a shot? Yes. Okay, so this just happened? Yes. Okay.

Do you want us to try CPR? I guess, yeah. Okay. Do you want us to try CPR? I guess, yeah. Okay. Is she flat on the ground? Yes. Okay. Again, there is help on the way to help you, okay? Okay.

I want you to lay her flat on her back, on the ground. She's on her back. Okay. Again... I moved her from where she was into the living room. Okay. I want you to place your hand on her forehead, your other hand under her neck, and tilt the head back. Okay. Put your ear next to her mouth.

Can you feel or hear any breathing? She's gone. I'm telling you, she's gone. She's not breathing. Okay, so you don't think we should try CPR? I don't know. I'm pushing on her chest. I'm just telling you, she's gone.

Okay. Do you know how to do CPR? Kind of. I just, I don't know what to do. Okay. Again, they are on the way to help you, okay? I don't know what to do. I think she's gone.

Do you know what kind of gun it was, sir? It was a pistol. Do you know what caliber? 38,.357. 38 pistol. Okay. I want you to pump her chest hard and fast, at least twice per second, two inches deep. Okay.

I'm doing it. Okay. Let the chest come all the way up between pumps. You're going to do this 600 times or until the fire department is there to take over for you, okay? Okay. Are you able to get that, Miao? Okay. Are you able to count out loud so I can stay aware of where you're at? It's 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 60.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 7 deep. Okay, at least twice per second, okay? We need to speed up just a little bit. Okay. Hard and fast, at least twice per second and two inches deep, okay? Yes. I want to take my life in there. My wife is in there. She's performing CPR. Your wife is doing CPR now? Yes. Okay.

Is she going to be calm enough to do CPR, sir? She's doing CPR. Okay. Okay. Can I get off the phone now? If you can get down to us and say... I cannot hear you. If you can just keep an open line with me, okay? I'm just going to get off the phone. I can hear the sirens.

My wife is here. Alexis, you were telling me that they thought... Now, he called 911. He did not try to hide the fact that she was dead. But you, Alexis Tereschuk, are saying they immediately thought the father was suspicious. Why? Well, not only they thought that, he actually called the girl's mother before he called 911. She came over to the house and was performing CPR when he finally called 911. That could have

been any amount of time. It certainly wasn't five or 10 seconds. If you find your child bleeding on the floor with a gunshot wound, you're going to call 911 immediately to get help. So he, in the phone call, as you just heard, hangs up on the 911 operator. Most people stay on until the police arrive or the help arrives. But they said that his behavior was so suspicious. So he's first of all covered in blood. But strangely enough, the tank top that he was wearing, he had blood underneath the tank top. So they think that he actually changed his shirt, which raised a lot of red flags for them too. And then he started doing this bizarre. Yeah. Why are you doing a wardrobe change when

your child is dead exactly and he was trying to wipe the blood off of his hands so many times the police kept saying stop wiping it off stop wiping off they actually had they told him five times to stop and they had to restrain him physically because he was disturbing evidence literally on his body physically he was trying to hide evidence as the cops were standing there as they try to take pictures of the blood drenched father he tries to wipe the blood off of himself with a towel as alexis tereschuk is saying even though cops insist that he stopped they snatched the towel away from McMullen, and then he tries to use his bare hands to get rid of the blood until he was physically restrained. Then it gets even more bizarre.

What can you tell me about him going outside to the lawn and lies down in the dirt? He does. He goes outside. He starts digging the dirt. He starts covering his own body up with dirt and then he is scraping his feet his blood covered feet on a cement entranceway the strangest thing his child is lying dead on the floor and he is digging in the dirt trying to cover himself up almost trying to is he trying to cover up evidence exactly they told officers, okay, hold on. There's an affidavit that said Kelly, Kelly Jo, had been living at home on and off just until her death, but had a very unhappy relationship with her father.

They told officers that in April, McMullen had slapped her until her mother pulled a gun on him to make him stop. He should have gone to jail right then. Now, what more are we learning? The police have said that her friends told them that her father molested her and that this was a deep secret that she had hidden and that this was a horrible relationship she she had hidden and this was a horrible relationship she had with him do you think the mother knew i do believe that her mother knew

otherwise so too because two of her friends state the molestation occurred when she was younger at that the school and the department of human Services records allegedly show that there was an investigation, that no charges were ever filed. Now, if there's an investigation that he had allegedly been molesting her, wouldn't you think the mother would know? A hundred percent. I do think, and I also think that when the mother pulled the gun on the father, that wasn't the first time that there had been a problem. This was a serious threat, and she was really taking some serious steps to protect her child. Well, did she ever leave the father? Did she ever report him to police and go forward with a police investigation and charges?

I'm just asking. As far as I know right now, no. As far as I know right now, no. As far as I know right now, no. So the girl stays in the home. You know what's heartbreaking to me? There's a picture of Kaylee at her high school graduation. And I'm looking at it. On one side is the mom, and one side is the dad,

now charged with her murder. They're all three smiling like they don't have a care in the world. And if what the friends say are true, then they're all acting like nothing ever happened, like the molestation never happened how can that be and even this year on father's day the mother wrote that he was a great father but father's day is in june and the attack happened in april when she pulled a gun on him

so this is maybe a maybe this mom is just as abused as her daughter and she needs some help too. Well, that may be true. That may be true. I don't know anything about that, but I do know that according to reports that there was a child protection department, human services investigation that took place and no charges were ever filed

the affidavit claims and the child stayed in the home the mother kept the child in the home with the alleged molester and continued on as if nothing ever happened. I got a problem with that. And now the child is dead. Now, of course, the mother is not the one that is charged with pulling the trigger. And she has got to be devastated. But I'm trying to figure out why the child was kept in the home with a man that molested her. I don't understand that.

There are other pictures of them. There's one where it looks like she's in a cheerleading outfit or some sport event, and she's holding flowers, and the mom is smiling, and the dad has one like a little goatee, I guess he was going through that phase, and they're standing there, and they all look happy together, and I'm just having a hard time, you know, you know what, Alexis? One in four, it's the last statistic I recall, women have been sexually molested in some way. So look around.

One in four women have gone through that and endured that. And I'm looking at these happy family photos, and they were anything but Alexis. Anything but. And she escaped, for lack of a better word, she went out of state for college. She went all the way to Louisiana for college. She went to a Bible school and didn't finish up there,

but came home. She had a job. This is a girl who was beloved, but she was a go-getter. She actually had two jobs. And she was somebody who had her whole life ahead of her. But she told her friends about the trouble that she had in her life. She told them about her dad. And they told the police, which I think is very interesting, that the mom didn't tell the police.

The reports are saying that it was the friends that alerted police to the history of abuse. And nobody helped her. I can't help her now. All we can do is continue trying in our own way to fight crime. And in our own way, shining a light on crime. And in her own way. Shining a light. On crime. And I'm trying to imagine. What this girl went through.

Having been allegedly molested. By her own dad. And still living in the home. With him. Every day. Like nothing ever happened. And now. She's dead.

Alexis Tereszczuk from RadarOnline.com. You know, we've covered so many cases together. I just pray that somehow we can make a difference, Alexis. I think it is amazing what you are doing, and you continue to fight for all of these people that people wouldn't know about. They would never know about this girl and they would one case might help them tell somebody. Well Alexis, you know you have that beautiful baby boy now and that changes

everything. I thought I knew it all until I had the children and now when I think about how delicate and fragile and beautiful they are, for them to suffer like this girl, Kelly Jo, has suffered, I can hardly think about it. But what we can do is arm people with knowledge. If you know about a home environment like this, or you suspect, speak out. You never know when you may save someone's life. Alexis, thank you for being with us. How many times when nobody's looking,

do you grab the orange juice or the apple juice or the grapefruit juice or the milk jug and just throw it back and drink it. Although you tell your children, don't do that. It's disgusting. A little boy, a little boy, three years old has been beaten dead, beaten to death with a rod because he was caught drinking from a milk jug. What? Joining me right now is an outspoken and tireless child advocate, Ashley Wolcott, joining me out of Atlanta. Ashley, I'm talking about little Xavier Satchel, three years old, just died in a hospital in Orlando Friday. The little boy was living with mom Brandy, Brandy Mokersel, and her friend Lakeisha Lewis. The mother, her mother, Brandy's mother was home taking care of the baby, 58-year-old Colleen

Barton. She also lived in the apartment with the two women. And Xavier, three-year-old Xavier. Barton and Lewis. This is the friend and the mother. this child's grandmother, allegedly beats the three-year-old with a rod after they catch him drinking milk from a jug. They threw him down a hallway, threw cold water in his face to try to revive him. Then the daughter, Brandy, runs to a neighbor's apartment, calls police. As the girlfriend's mother threatened to end her if she told police, forget about those three. Police find the little boy lying on his back, barely breathing, with food coming out of his nose.

I don't understand this. Beating a three-year-old child dead over a milk jug? I'm stunned. You know, Nancy, it is horrific on so many different levels. And the thing that really strikes me is at what point are we as a society going to stop beating children to death, which is exactly what happened in this case, over something as innocent as drinking out of a milk carton. And keep in mind, this is not just mother was living with someone she didn't know when they did this to her child. Mother was

living with Louis, who's her girlfriend, and Louis's mother, who's Barton, and she says, hey, they've hit him before. And there was evidence, according to the police, that this boy had bruises from prior incidents. So here you have a mother who stays with her girlfriend and lives with a girlfriend and the girlfriend's mother who have done this to her child before. Why? Why, why, why would you stay and keep your child in that situation? You know, it's the same principle, Ashley, with me, Ashley Wilcott, tireless child advocate that I respect a lot. I have told this to anybody that will listen. You know, all the years I tried felonies, so many of them were crimes on children. And this is going to turn your stomach, but you may already know it to be true. I don't recall a single time

that I prosecuted a man for abusing a child, either sexually or physically, that the mother that would be the wife or the girlfriend didn't side with the man. Oh, it's the norm. I will never forget one of the first times it happened to me. There was a guy, and I remember his name very well, and his name was Walter Gates. He owned a high percentage of the livery trade in Atlanta.

I mean, horse-drawn carriages and, I guess, cars that drive you around. I don't know what all he owned. I started digging around. I found where he had been beating and molesting girls for about 20 years. He had never done one day, one day of jail time. And even then, 20 years into it, he was still at it, and his then-girlfriend sided with him. I think her daughters were three and seven, something like that. That's when I first

became aware of this phenomenon. And here we have it again. Absolutely. Of course, here you've got a woman that is romantically involved with a woman, but it's the same principle. You stay with these abusers at the price of their child. No, they do. I serve as a judge pro tem in juvenile court, and we do see this over and over and over again. Parents choose the paramour, whoever that paramour is, over the safety of their own child. So the good news from my perspective, I'm eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. So frankly, as far as I'm concerned, Barton and Lewis should have the same thing happen to them that they imposed on this helpless child. Putting that aside, let's talk about the mother. Thankfully, in terms of the criminal system, she has been charged with child neglect because she did not remove him from this

situation. But unfortunately, that's not going to carry a very big sentence. And she's out, she can get out on $2,500 bond that's crazy when she didn't protect him knowing what they were doing to him Ashley Ashley Ashley according to doctors this little three-year-old boy I almost I almost feel sick to my stomach right now Ashley this three-year-old little boy oh how I wish I could take him oh how i wish i could take this little boy in with me he was covered in bruises from past beatings all over his body all over his body ashley so the mother while she may have run and gotten help this time there were many other times where this child had endured beatings at the hand of her girlfriend and mother, according to police.

I mean, common sense is she's been in the home for X period of time. The child's covered in bruises. Who has she been living with? And the investigators indicate that she actually said, oh yes, I've seen them hit him before. The mother said that. Mother knew, no doubt, no question. And here she is out on a $2,500 bond because, and let me rephrase, I'm not certain she has posted bond, but her bond amount is $2,500.

That's nothing. $2,500 when you know you've seen this happen and you don't protect. One with child neglect. That's it. See, I think that this is child neglect, which is a felony that ended in a death, which is a felony murder. I think the mom is part and parcel, kit and caboodle in this, and I think she should be charged that way. Now, there's also a four-year-old boy living with them. He has been taken away. The boy's father told the Orlando Sun-Sentinel he had been trying to get full custody for years, that he had dated Brandi Marcusell for four years.

They broke up when Xavier was one, and he had always wanted to get the boy, and they gave the boy to this mom. I'm just disgusted. I'm just disgusted. And why is she charged with child neglect when the baby's dead? Agreed. I completely agree. It's such a minimal charge at this point in time against this mother. Now, the other part, Nancy, and I'm sure you know this and may be getting to this, but the investigation so far reveals that also Barton,

who's the mother of the girlfriend, Barton, the 58-year-old who's been charged with first-degree murder, that in 2002, she actually used a plastic golf club to hit a different boy, not her child, to discipline him and left welts and marks all over him. So she has a history. Is this the mom or the girlfriend? No, this is the girlfriend's mother, who's also been charged in this case. The girlfriend's mother. She actually was convicted.

People describe Xavier as, quote, a ball of sunshine. You know, if they thought so much of them, of this child, why didn't they do something about it? You know people had to know. People had to know about this, and they did nothing. We're talking about a three-year-old boy, Xavier Satchel, brutally beaten, brutally beaten at a Pine Hills apartment in Orlando. It leaves the boy dead.

Records detailing all the abuse have just been released, and we have gotten our mitts on it, and they reveal prior mistreatment. This little boy faced. You know, Ashley, I think about it. When I was growing up, no matter what was happening, if I called out for my mom, she was there, or my dad. They were the ones there taking care of me. They were the ones when I was sick.

They were the ones watching over me. Where was his mother? Where was she? She let this happen. She did. And I think in all of these cases, the ongoing struggle to ever understand, and I will never understand, is that is a parent's job to protect their children and to bulldog protect their children from anything and everything. And repeatedly, we see things like this mother not at all, not only not protecting, but in my opinion, being complicit because they know what's happening and they allow it to happen.

I don't get it. I don't understand how a parent doesn't protect their own child. But this is a great example of a parent failing on all levels. The little boy, when the beating started, Ashley began to shake like he was having a seizure of some sort. When police arrived, they find him lying on his back with food coming out of his nose. So obviously he may have died. He dies from blunt force trauma. Three women have been arrested. One is the mother. And what about the four-year-old brother one year older he was there he'll have this on him probably feeling survivor's guilt feeling like it was his fault my brother died I was there why didn't I protect him why did I live and he died what about not only that but

like you already mentioned when he was having the seizure and later had food coming out of his nose, no one there called 911. They instead threw water on his face to try to revive him. Are you kidding me? Clearly, he's not well. He's dying. And that was what they did. And they had a phone. They had a phone in the home.

They all had cell phones. In fact, they tried to stop the mother from calling 911 to start with. So the point is not only did they do it, they didn't want to get caught. It was more important to them not to get caught than it was to try to save the little boy's life. Out to Alan Duke. Alan, what more do you know about Xavier? Nancy, don't ask me to talk on this one. Normally, you're the one in tears.

Today, I am because I have a four-year-old granddaughter who, like this kid, loves Peppa Pig. I have to pretend like I'm Daddy Pig. And I can only imagine what this child's life was like and pray that my grandchildren never feel that. I remember my children at three years old. Tiny, tiny, tiny. You know what? These two were in jail tonight on a one-way trip to H-E-L-L. First class. C-O-D. Satan. You can keep them. I want to thank you so much for being with us at my new home. Serious XM Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.

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