Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Noah Presgrove Shocker! Attorney Blames Noah!

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

Noah Presgrove's estate filed a wrongful death lawsuit in June naming Jack Newton, his father, Caleb Newton, and five others. So far, the only response came from Jack Newton and Caleb Newton.   The other defendants in the wrongful death suit include Avery Jo Howard, Carter Combs, Johnnie Trout Wilcoxson Jr., Stevie Howard and Logan Jernigan. Avery, Carter and Logan allegedly threw the party Noah attended on Johnnie's property, in a home owned by Stevie, according to the suit. In  the wrongful death suit, Jack Newton is alleged to have got alcohol for the party and his father, Caleb Newton, allowed them to use the vehicle that Noah rolled over. The UPDATE is the response filed by the attorney for Jack Newton (supposed to be Noah's best friend) and his father who claim Noah's death two years ago was “an unavoidable accident, casualty and misfortune" AND they blame Noah!!!!!!         Transcribe Highlights 00:00.42 Introduction 02:35.80 Noah Presgrove Horror Movie 08:12:51 Pedestrian vs Vehicle 10:20.99 Story of decapitation in car wreck 15:42.11 Injuries suffered by Noah 19:57.61 10 Broken ribs and more 25:16.27 Description of road rash 30:08.08 Skin torn to the bone 35:15.49 Were teeth knocked out or fractured 39:15.13 Was intoxicated 46:42.97 Conclusion See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Moore. There's no other feeling in the world like being young and being with your friends. And I'm talking about that group of friends that you hang out with that group of friends. Like, you get excited if you're going to see them. You're going to spend a protracted period of time together. And look, I got to confess, partying, all right? And look, man, there's nothing wrong with partying,

particularly when you're young, because I can tell you, when you get old, you ain't going to do it. You're going to be in bed by eight. But there was a young man who did go and hang out with friends to enjoy, I don't know, a long weekend over a labor day. he went into it probably full of excitement enthusiastic about seeing his buddies passing a bottle around

riding on ATV out in the country where the only illumination is starlight the only problem is at the end of that weekend after all the partying had been done he had wound up dead on the side of a road with more trauma than anyone can possibly imagine.

I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body bags. Brother Dave, we have got an update. We've got an update today relative to, yeah, it is. No Press Grove. I did, look, you know, it's one of these. things that kind of, you know, we cover these cases and I'd probably say that other people have the same. And this, God, this is going to sound so bad. And I mean, no disrespect. But such a volume of data comes in to you and I on a regular basis, these cases that otherwise would just

pound you in the face like a sledgehammer. Yeah. Because other stuff trumps that data along the way. these cases are forgotten. And Dave, no, Press, Press Grove's case is a stuff of horror movies. I mean, it is an absolute terror show. It is. It's every parent's worst nightmare for your young adult, you know. It's one of those things, when our kids are young, before they start driving, we worry about them, their friends, who they're playing with who they're hanging out with. Once they start driving, though, it becomes a different kind of fear, a different kind of concern.

that you have for your children when they're out. After they graduate school, my high school, there's another level. It's a different kind of worry now because you know they're going to do things that young adults do. You mentioned party.

Look, I did it. I encouraged my children when they became young adults to be wise. My thing with my kids is, I've already done it. You guys don't have to. I'll tell you what the end result of all of it is. You end up in handcuffs and jail wondering where, you know, where is my shirt and, you know.

Well, you know, Dave, the problem is, is that most kids don't believe us and they're going to want their own empirical proof of this, this, the speculation, you know, they see the speculation. They don't see it because none of them ever imagine us as young and partying, all right? So they have to go out and you sit there and you're shaking your head. It's like, I wouldn't do that if I was you. I've already told you. but you know it's part of it's part of the carelessness of youth i think a lot of that there's growth

that comes out of it i think uh there's also a lesson to be learned about what to do and what not to do many times when you experience that in the noah press grove story yeah we actually have both what to do and what not to do and the reason we're doing this is because there has been some movement you know back in june a lawsuit was filed by the family of noah press grove it was filed without a lot of fanfare, mainly because you mentioned it right at the beginning. We're hit with so many different stories. Unless there's something that really moves that rock up the hill, it's not going to gain the traction in needs.

But after it was filed, you and I did an update. And now we actually have an update to go along with that lawsuit. But before we do that, Joe, you and I took a really good look at the injuries. Actually, no, you took a really good look at them. I was so shocked at what we found out when, you know, this story came to us from one of y'all, a listener of the show who actually reached out and said, hey, have you guys covered this yet? And we're like, no, let me find out more. Yeah, that's, oh, my goodness.

I just remembered that. That did come to us this way. Yeah, I sure did. And the thing is, it goes back to again, out of 100 stories that deserve coverage to get it. And there is no rhyme or reason to it. There really isn't. And this is one of those stories that I think the shock value of what this young man had to have endured is not easily explained as saying he was walking down the road and it was a hit and run. Because that's the explanation we've heard of a possible way that he could have ended up dead in this particular way.

But Joe, I looked at this list of injuries. And there are certain things that happen to Noah Pressgrove and his body that even after looking down this list and reading reports and everything else, I still cannot, for the life of me, think of any way this could happen other than what appears to me a gang beating, teaching somebody a lesson. Yeah. And, you know, this list, okay, let me, let me, let me kind of add a caveat here. With, with motor vehicle, and that's what has been alleged, okay, along, that it was a motor vehicle related event, perhaps struck by a vehicle. We know that they're in the story woven throughout there is an ATV, an alternative. all-terrain vehicle that has been wrecked, okay? But I think the main thing that was put forward is that you've got a young man that's found deceased adjacent or on the roadway, and he has got a laundry list of injuries

that you would think might be related to a motor vehicle accident day, but the problem is, is that the motor vehicle accident that he would have been involved in to generate this kind of trauma, I think, would have been, he would be seated in a, in the cabin of a car and pushed off a three-story building and impacted, nose-dived into the, and even that, you're still not going to get some of this stuff. Real? Yeah. I hadn't thought about it that way.

I've just trying to look at it from, okay. if you were hit by a car, we know certain things that happen. Yeah. Because it does happen. People do get hit by a car. Oh, yeah, all the time. Very rarely do you get hit and then rolled under, going under all four tires? Usually you bounce off a little bit, you know?

Well, you do, but there's a category for what's referred to as roll over injuries. And, you know, the circumstances actually, Dave, have to be just right for that to happen. First off, many times with. a, okay, let's just say we have a pedestrian. It's called pedestrian versus vehicle. Let's just say we do have a pedestrian. And you've got a vehicle operator. There's so many things that come into play.

First off, the height of the vehicle, the total wheel base of the vehicle, how, you know, kind of wide the vehicle is from tire to tire. The speed, reaction time on the part of the driver, I guess you could also factor in there, an awareness or a lack of awareness on the part of maybe the victim. Many times if you have a braking event where you've got a pedestrian that's in the roadway, you'll see a response on the part of a driver that has awareness that when they press on the brakes, first off, you've got rapid deceleration, but also the nose of the vehicle will slight drop down, okay? And when that nose of the vehicle drops down, if it strikes someone in the legs or in the

thigh, the hip, it can deflect them. I've had these cases where people go over the top of the car into the windshield. I actually, Dave, I actually had a case one time where a guy came through a windshield and was decapitated, and the head wound up in the seat of the vehicle adjacent to the operator of the vehicle. And the guy that this happened to that was, I just had this memory. This was actually on I-10 down in New Orleans. The guy that was driving the vehicle, he was headed to the New Orleans airport, and he was cabby. And he didn't speak very good English. The guy came through his windshield.

It decapitated him. And the guy's head, if I remember correctly, either wound up in the cabby's lap or in the seat adjacent to him in the torso was still in the vehicle kind of hanging off to the side when we got there. It was absolutely horrific. But it's almost unpredictable as to what's going to happen with a body when they're struck by a vehicle. But with Noah's injuries, Dave, I was looking at the list, by the way, y'all, Dave does this incredible job of backing me up, and I truly need a lot of backing up. The list, Dave, I did not remember how extensive and exhaustive this list of insults were to Noah's body until. They were represented to me again. Oh, you had time because we've actually had time now that we've heard a number of different stories.

And some of them have kind of washed, whitewashed it a little bit, you know, as to what may have happened to Noah Press Grove. But when you get right down to it, this is what happened to his body. This is when he was found, okay? All of this was done when he was found just before 6 a.m. after a weekend of partying with friends. All right, he has a conversation, argument, 315. Two hours later, two and a half hours later, this is the condition of his body, Joe,

found on the road about a mile and a half, two miles from the house where they've been partying. Yeah, and this is, I'm not saying that you can see the end of the world from this locale, but it's out, you've got to pump in, sunshine out here. I mean, it's terrible Oklahoma. It's case folks aren't aware of it. It's not too far away as a crow flies actually from the Dallas area. And, you know, it's all relative in Texas and Oklahoma because things are so big out there. But it literally sits right on the Oklahoma,

Oklahoma, Texas border. And it's kind of northwest of Dallas. And let's face it, I mean, it's an agricultural area. You know, you're going to have a lot of farmers around there and that sort of thing. You're going to have a lot of wide open spaces for kids, particularly, you know, young teenagers. I mean, older teenagers and young adults that can rip and roaring out there and they can have all the fun they want. But I got to tell you, when I drop this list on you guys, I don't know, but I predict just like me, you're going to be shocked. Dave, these injuries that, that.

Noah Press Grove sustained are not merely limited to his head. We've got injuries that range from literally the souls of his feet to the top of his head. Let that sink in just for a second. Now, that's one of the reasons I was previously talking about and just indulge me. for just a second, but when people are struck by a motor vehicle, let's just say pedestrian, struck by a motor vehicle, and they're upright. We look for things called bumper marks on the body, and that means that's the point of impact if you're struck in the leg or the hip. And it generally, most of the time, it's very definitive. You'll see a contusion because obviously when they're

alive, you're going to bruise, right? And then the body is pitched over to one side, or the body is rolled over, and the vehicle continues on down the road. Dave, in a case like this, and when we consider the extent of the injuries, I would not be as inclined to believe that this is a standard rollover. I'm not saying he wasn't rolled over. I guess the question I would have to ask is, how many damn times was he rolled over? All right. It's not like you're going to get this in one fail swoop because Dave, we've got we've got ribs, we've got cervical vertebra, we've got skull, we've got tissue being peeled away with this young man.

And if you'll indulge me, I'll go ahead and run this down if, you know, and we can, I just want everyone to kind of understand, you know, what we're what we're talking about. You know, when his remains were finally, finally come across, and here we go. We've got, so Noah had 10 broken ribs. He's got a fractured skull, neck, spine fractures, internal bleeding. So I mentioned the damaged skull. he's got internally he's got brain brain hemorrhage and Dave there's something that's kind of kind of interesting here when they did the examination and they kind of dissect it out you know through his brain and down his spinal cavity they actually found air and inside of these areas

and what does that tell you well it tells me that these bones were fractured so extensively that they were open, they were open to the environment. Do you realize how hard it is to crack open a, I mean, skulls are hard to crack open? Do you realize how difficult it is to crack open a cervical vertebra and not just one? Hang on, let me refer back to my notes. I feel like I'm at trial now. We've got C1, which is actually referred to as your Atlas. If you'll imagine the image of the Titan.

I think he was a Titan, the Greek Titan Atlas holding up the earth on his shoulders. That's where the term C1 or the Atlas vertebra comes from. It drops down to C2. C3 is apparently C3, C4, and C5 are not damaged. But then it jumps to C6. and seven. So you've got this area in his neck, which is the most proximal to the base of the skull, C1 and C2, and then you're going to jump over three other vertebral bodies and landing on C6 and C7, and those are all fractured. So that almost, maybe it doesn't, but that almost smacks.

of two separate impacts, okay, just simply based on the cerebral, on the cervical vertebral, rather. The other thing, too, that I remember now making note of is that the C1, not only Dave isn't fractured, Dave, the C1 was displaced, which means it's kind of, if you think about the spine, If you're just, if you were looking at a skeleton running from north to south, okay, in the vertical plane, at the very top, you know, the reason people go to, go to chiropractors many times is because the spinal alignment and all that sort of thing. Well, there's a particular spinal alignment in the vertical plane. And Dave, the very top, the very top vertebra, again, Atlas that supports the skull is knocked over to one side. Now, how does that even happen? Dave, we, you know, when when people see that, when it has been seen and documented over the years, judicial hangings. Oh, wow.

Yeah, judicial hangings where you get that kind of displacement like that and you get the fracturing, you know, the old fracturing of the neck. Right. By the way, we're still going to do an episode on judicial hangings at some point in time. We got the net. That I've talked about doing for a long time. I've tried to look at these injuries and think, okay, how could any one of these happen and realize that when you start thinking about, again, geography, where was he found? He was found just off of a road early morning before 6 a.m.

And we know that his clothes, by the way, haven't mentioned this yet. Noah Pressgrove with all these injuries, Joseph Scott Morgan, was found naked. Yeah. his clothes were sitting by him folded now what you know what is he flying through the air the clothes are coming off before the next tire rolls back over his head to peel some skin and his shirt falls off and it folds itself like a genie in the night pants too um and then i guess when he's back up in the air he decides to brush his teeth but oh they're all knocked out yeah we can get to that yet but Let's get rid to the rest of the injuries because, again, you're talking about pre-6 a.m., side of the road, country road.

He's got these injuries, 10 broken ribs, serious skull, neck, and spine fractures, internal bleeding, brain and organ damage, cuts and grazes all over his body. And you pointed out he had about 20 milliliters of blood pooled inside his head from a brain bleed. How much is that, Joe? Oh, 20 milliliters? Let's see. If I could do the math on that very carefully, it's more than should be there. Okay. All right. And so there's an indwelling hemorrhage in there. So you've got this impact that has affected these little vessels, which there are many of within the brain. And we've talked about this on body bags before, Dave, that the brain, and probably secondarily to that, I know I'll probably get gigged on this by somebody. one of our friends. But the brain and the liver are two of the most vascular organs in the body. Probably the brain hands down, but liver is very vascular as well. That's why if you have liver damage, traumatic, you know, you have to get that repaired.

You're going to bleed out into your gut. Brain, same way. But the problem is with the brain is that not only are you experiencing this extensive hemorrhage and this pressure that's built. holding up inside of there, it's not just the blood loss. It's also the pressure within the cranial vault. It's kind of squeezing down on the brain. That's why there has to be surgical intervention.

But, David, I've got to tell you, brother, I think you could have had an entire staff of neurosurgeons standing there adjacent to that roadway. He wouldn't have two hoots in hell's chance of surviving this because these injuries are so over the top. with this kid. And again, I got to tell you, this smacks to me of not just a single incident, you know, because of this, the extent of the injuries.

We've got, and just let me, just bear with me because he's got, he's got road rash, which most of the time you're going to get road rash injuries from, you can be rolled over and just imagine a barrel rolling down the road. That's what happens with your body, all right? If you're caught beneath the undercarriage of the car, the car rolls over you, and there are very specific injuries you look for with that that translate from the undercarriage of the car,

also the tires of the car, onto the body, and then you've got the underlying road surface. Or if you have been dragged by a car as well. So you have to try to understand the orientation of these of this road rash is it like linear you know like does the road rash a way to interpret this okay if you're looking at a rollover type of event if the body is log rolling down the road that means like rolling like a log underneath a car you're going to have these kind of parallel markings on the body you'll have on the upper body and lower body however

And those will translate into road rash. If you have someone who is dragged behind a car, they're going to be very linear. And they'll be in the same plane. Let's just say someone is being drugged by the bumper of a vehicle. You might have these abrasions. And Dave, they're going to look strided. Strided means like streaked. And they'll generally be about as wide as your hand, all right?

because it's a point of contact and you'll have multiple surfaces and the body is being drug down the road and they're all going to be linear and kind of parallel to one another. So when you're thinking about orientation of the body to the vehicle and to the road surface, what pattern were these in? Because we haven't necessarily heard that yet. You know, we do know that road rash exists or what the forensic pathologist is talking about. And by the way, the state medical examiners office in Oklahoma is one of the finest in the country. First off, it's a state medical examiner's office. It's a standalone separate entity from any law enforcement agency. It's not governed by the state police or anything.

It's a standalone agency. And they're renowned. They're renowned for their work and the quality of work that they do. so I have no doubt. He's got this abrasion, Dave, that's on multiple surfaces. So he's got road rash on his upper back. He's got abrasions and grazes on his left shoulder, left arm, left side of the torso, and both of his butt.

Okay, so he's kind of twisting and turning. Again, we don't know if it's in necessarily the horizontal plane or the vertical plane that these things are running relative to the torso itself. And that's just, that's the external vision that, that you have. He's also got healed abrasions that they found on, and scabs, on his nose, both of his hands, his knuckles, left foot and heel. He's got an ulcerated healing or ulcer on his right thigh. All of these, according to the medical examiner, these other injuries, which is fascinating to me, predate the night of this event, Dave.

And they're referred to as healed abrasions and scabs on his nose. Okay. And Dave, you know, it's not just that they're on his nose. They're on both hands as well and the knuckles. Dave, when I see abrasions, when I hear about abrasions on hands and knuckles, you know what I think. Yeah. You know, I think that there's fiscal altercation involved. But yet, these things are healing.

I think the one thing to try to understand is at what level of resolve are these injuries? Is this something that because you could, I guess over a 36-hour period, you'll have enough of a change. And I think that we can all relate to this. I mean, we all can. You and I both can. If we scrape our hand, let's say that right now you and I scraped our hand, 36 to 48 hours from now, that insult is going to look completely different than it does right now. Yeah, you would have a scab. You would have some, a bit of resolving that's going on with the injury. Certainly, you know, if you had a contusion there, the contusion is not going to be the same color as it was. us 48 hours earlier or 36 hours earlier. So I think that within this time frame, I mean, one of the questions is what was going on? What had he been involved in? We do know this, that those injuries were still there.

They hadn't gone anywhere, so they're not like ancient, ancient injuries. I think that we can probably speculate on that a bit. with with these injuries though you're kind of over there's an overlay of of the of the fresh injuries and these old injuries the the problem is like many times with with these issues there's you know sequencing that goes on what was kind of fascinating fascinating about all this. You've got this guy that is Stuart Fisher, who's an internist. And he'd given, he's a physician. He's like an internal medicine guy that has, according to the Daily Mail, had worked, you know, extensively in emergency, you know, medicine. They asked him to review the report. And the physician had actually stated that this kid has, suffered so many catastrophic injuries, Dave, that any number of these insults could have killed them, just like a stand-alone.

I think probably the most significant one that the doctor pointed out was the extensive skull fraction. As a matter of fact, their comments relative to this, and this comes from the police investigators. that they described his head, Dave, as being caved in. Now, how can you have a cave in? And that would be what's referred to as a depressed skull fracture where you have to have energy transfer from an object to that underlying surface, the external table of the skull,

so that that direct energy is coming from, I don't know, a tire, or a foot or an object like a bat or a pipe. And going back to the physician, he said, you know, Dave, there's five, maybe up to 10 life-threatening injuries just in standalone by itself. And that's, again, you have to ask yourself this question, a reasonable question here. Could Noah Pressgrove have sustained all of the totality of these injuries simply by being struck by a motor vehicle with a single strike? I have a real hard time swallowing this. Joe, what about the clumps of hair?

What about the skin on the left side of his scalp that was torn to the bone? I mean, I know there are thinner parts of skin and things like that. But when you start talking about skin being torn to the bone, that's just animalistic behavior to me. It's something that unless you're, again, now back to it, unless you are hit by something mechanical, if another human being did this, how enraged are you that you can cause hair to be pulled out, ripping skin to the skull? a clump of hair. A clump of hair was observed on his right butt cheek without blood or tissue on it, Joe. Have you ever seen a car or truck hit somebody?

And I guess the truck ferry goes back and finds some hair that's undamaged and lay it on the person like as a wreath? Yeah, it all depends. Well, again, we're back to folded clothes, right? Right. How do you get head hair that is deposited on the, Well, it's a real dynamic situation. I'll give you that if it is a rollover.

But, you know, when you coupled that also with, what was it you had mentioned off of the aspect of the face, we had skin that was peeled back. Dave, this is a phenomenon that's known as de-gloving. Wow. De-gloving. Yeah, we do de-gloving. You have a name for everything. We do. Well, you give us.

Yeah, you really do because in some things are so. And look, not all of it comes directly from forensic. Because you have, you know, people in standard medical practice, you know, deal with individuals that have their skin has been de-gloved. You know, it does happen. It's horrible. It's horrible. And, you know, people wind up having skin grafts and all those sorts of things. But, yeah, de-gloving for us, you know, it has a couple of connotations.

First off, you can have traumatic de-gloving. And you get de-gloving with skin in regards to decomposition. you know, like the hands de-glove, we, you know, in the morgue will actually take the dermal level of the skin and peel it off the hands of a, off of a decomposing body, put a latex glove over your own hand and insert your hand into the skin, the de-gloved skin of the deceased, and we can roll fingerprints that way. I've done that many times. It's kind of a creepy thing to do. I know. I know what you're thinking right now. No kidding, Joe Scott. I was actually thinking if it doesn't

fit, you must have quit. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. And that's, again, that's another problem because skin is so stretched. But I'm digressing. We could do an entire episode on things that we have to do about decomposing bodies. The back from the hair and the skin. What about the teeth, Joe?

Okay, the teeth are fascinating to me because you've got this array of teeth that are lying about on the roadway. Well, in order, the reason there is a term that people say they got their teeth knocked out is because it's a big deal, Dave. You realize how hard it is to unroot a tooth dramatically? And that's a single tooth, all right? I think one of the big questions I have, and I is, was there?

Was there any kind of maxillary, which means your maxilla is essentially the roof of your mouth? Just give me a little rope here. But it's the roof of the mouth. So your maxillary teeth, the upper teeth, are seated in there. Then you have the mandillary teeth, and those are in the mandible, which is your jaw, all right? And they're deeply rooted. You know, I think that most people can identify with this. You know what your teeth are like.

Have you ever had a tooth pulled? We're not just talking about one or two teeth. We're talking about multiple teeth that are scattered around on the surface of the roadway. Most of the time, that's going to require, that's going to require a very forceful impact. I want to know what the underlying diagnosis was for the bony structure supporting the area. Was there extensive jaw fracturing or maxillary fracturing? Because we know that his skull was fractured. What did they say earlier is skull was caved in?

Well, the upper skull, if you're talking about, say, the right or the left, parietal area, which is that area that's if you'll find your temple and kind of go above and to the rear. That's the parietal area. That's a parietal bone right there. And then you have the occipital bones in the back. They're kind of nonspecific about that. I'd like to know specifically what the teeth are. And I'm talking about anatomical orientation.

You know, what was left were the teeth, okay, were the teeth? Okay, were the teeth actually knocked out of his head or Dave? Were the teeth actually fractured? And the root was still in place in the socket of the teeth. Totally two different things here. Wow. Okay. There's so much trauma in Noah's case, Dave, this autopsy alone.

Just let me kind of run this down to you. The autopsy alone, when they got into this thing, I would imagine it took them a couple of hours. And you know what the lion's share of their time would have been spent doing here? Doing the external exam, because there's so much externally relative to his body before you ever break out the cold steel, as we say, and open his remains up. it would be a grand undertaking in order to examine him and try to assess everything, measure it appropriately. And I hadn't even talked about, you know, what had happened in his chest cavity because we've got a closed head injury, or I guess you could say it's kind of open, if they're talking about a depressed skull fracture. but Dave for Noah both of his lungs were punctured so that means that puncturing of lungs comes about as a result of fractured ribs we'll refer to it many times as a flail chest where

you've got multiple ribs on both sides and you get what's referred to as like a floating chest a lot of blood associated with this as a matter of fact I think that they were covered roughly about 3.2 pints of blood. It's about 1,500 milliliters of blood. He's got contusion to his heart, his spleen, and his stomach. So this kid has just been obliterated, pounded, and it's not just external. It's what has happened to him internally. There were, at the scene, the big thing about it is, is that with all of these injuries, Dave, with the one thing that really, really catches your eye other than if you didn't need

anything else, Dave, there's no pools of blood. There's no pools of blood out there. How do you generate all of these injuries and you don't have like a lot? large puddling of blood that's immediately adjacent to the body or the body is overlying. It just doesn't, it doesn't make sense that. Look, I'm not going to sit here and say that, you know, Noah is some innocent little lamb that was, you know, just brought in, that he hadn't been participating in a party and all this sort of thing, but it still doesn't excuse the idea of

how much trauma he has had. I'll tell you this for folks that are not aware, his blood alcohol is 0.14, and that's, that exceeds the legal limit, okay, for intoxication. that means to operate a vehicle. Now, he's underage. He's underage drinking. So at 0.14, you will be slurring your words. You're going to have your motor activity and response time.

It's going to be slowed down significantly. You know, legal drinking, the legal limit for drinking are being drunk, according to state law, pretty much around the country. It's going to vary. It's generally point. his is 0.14. So he's got, you know, he's got a significant amount of, of alcohol on board. It's not twice the amount quite yet of the legal limit, but it's up there. So he would have been impaired. Yeah. But again, you know, somebody that's impaired, Dave, is easily pounced upon by

somebody. Well, let me give you the other part of this, Joe, that I really wanted to make sure we understand because we've covered we didn't even cover all of his injuries yet friends just so you know what you heard is a partial list there's still more but when he was found in that state with all those injuries he was naked

he wore only mismatched shoes one was an Adidas and the other was a hey dudes there was debris and grass stuck in the laces of each and more of them on the left shoe A silver-plated chain necklace from Noah's grandmother

Was scattered in pieces not far away From a remnants of a tooth Not a whole tooth Remnants of a tooth A fracture tooth, yeah Yes His undamaged shorts We're seen about 30 yards away

Jack This goes back several months ago Was Noah's best friend He said that the shorts were actually borrowed. This goes back to that rollover incident with the vehicle. They were dirty, and they just grabbed clothes. There were people spending the night and saying they were grabbing that.

That does not surprise me nearly as much, you know, as a lot of the things that have happened. You know, the clothing. What bothers me about the clothing is that he was found naked with all those injuries and his clothing was not on him, near him, torn on. I mean, it's, you know, does that make sense, Joe? that really bothers me that he's left in a state of destruction and you're not finding ripped clothes, torn clothes, bloody clothes? Yeah, and I think this goes to an element, I think in legal terms it's referred to as due

care. You know, we were Nancy recently, and she was talking about the public doesn't have an obligation necessarily to tend to somebody that's not directly in, you know, like a, If you're a caregiver, if you're a parent, that sort of thing, you do have a legal obligation, you know, to take care of, you know, infirm people and children and all that sort of thing. But it would seem to me, and there have been lawsuits that have been brought in regards to this sort of thing, when somebody comes to a domicile and they're plied with alcohol. And this is, I mean, bars have gotten sued over this. I know you know that day where people will get, get hammered, you know, at a local bar. The, you know, the bar didn't use due care and allowed the individual to leave and they wind up either getting killed or killing somebody, that sort of thing.

So how do you, how do you allow someone to leave your domicile or in your, and you know that they're, they're strunk and they're naked and they're wearing mismatched shoes? It's such a bizarre set of circumstances. And then finally, you know, a little while later, he's found, he's found dead a distance from the house out on the road, Dave. With conflicting stories from those who are at the party. Yeah. That's the biggest issue. You got friends from, look, man, you guys all grew up together. Yes, you were having a party.

Settled out to the side. We're cops. We got a dead guy. What happened? We can't get the same story from everybody. The minute somebody's lying, somebody's lying. you know and if you can't get if you've got five people telling five different stories they could all be talking about from their perspective of what they saw but when you put it all together they

all make sense that isn't happening here so that's what led noah's family finally after not getting anywhere with any you know by the way i want to be very the police have done the best job they can at this point they've involved others you know they've done their investigation. But at a certain point in time, you know, you really have to know what happened, and they have yet to figure that out. So no one's best friends in the world. I don't know, I don't know that they have enough, enough probable cause to move forward from a legal standpoint in order to intensify the investigation. They have said that they're not investigating this as a homicide. That was one. But I got to tell you, just because you say you're not, they leave

I've been down this road before. Just because they say they're not, doesn't mean, and I'm doing air quotes right here, doesn't mean that new information might develop. Yeah. Okay. And what? No, they're not. And they're not going to show their hand. But Dave, just kind of, this is really your strong suit here just kind of lay out this lawsuit because it's well they filed a wrongful death lawsuit they filed it and they named names the family this is the family of noah press grove and by the way when you file a civil lawsuit it's always monetary right but in this case they're not asking for enough money like they're they're asking for 75,000 dollars yeah hey i'm glad you said this because when i saw it i was thinking yeah if this was my kid you know there's

going to be a one at minimum with six digits after. And I saw 75. Boy, this smacks of just trying to elicit information. To me, it does at least. Yeah, I want to know. I got to tell you, this is the one thing about it. I know that this is putting the onus on Noah here. Attorney, as we say, attorneys are going to attorney. That's what they do. But the fact that the press groves file this lawsuit, Dave, I tell you what we're staring down the barrel of here. We're going to be getting some depositions. And they will be under oath. They will be so ordered by the court.

And somebody is going to have to go into a big oak paneled office somewhere with lots of fancy books in a room. They're going to sit at a big table. And there's going to be a court reporter sitting right there. There's going to be a microphone in front of them. and the plaintiff will ask questions, and if they have an attorney, their attorney will try to deflect or reframe the thing. And there will be questions ask. But the big question is, will we actually get any answers? I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks. This is an I-Heart podcast.