Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: SHOCKING DEATH of Beloved Teacher, Businesswoman Jackie Glynn

Episode Date: September 8, 2024

A Silver Alert was issued for 76-year-old Jackie Glynn. Her husband, Joe Glynn, tells the family their mother had terminal cancer and left home to attend a support group so she could die on her terms.  Joe Glynn had been married to Jackie Glynn for 24 years and her adult children don't believe what they are hearing from their mother's husband.  On this Episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan explain how the killer helped law enforcement by they way he chose to dispose of the body and the evil weapon he chose to carry out his murderous plan.           Transcribe Highlights 00:00.01 Introduction; Cancer breaking a Big Man04:57.36 Discussion of using cancer as reason for disappearanceJoseph09:47.82 Discussion of Jackie Glynn, an accomplished woman15:35.81 Talk about "Amber Alert" "Silver Alert"20:23.69 Discussion investigation targeting intimate24:54.52 Discussion of Joseph Glynn killing wife30:14.10 Discussion of getting innocents involved34:11.55 Talk about recently turned earth42:13.81 Discussion of suspect admitting everything42:17.33 Conclusion, guilty plea, life in prisonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Body Facts with Joseph Scott Moore. My grandfather, who I refer to as Papaw, and interestingly enough, my grandchildren refer to me as Papaw, and it's a badge I wear with great pride. I loved both of my grandfathers but there was one in particular that I spent a lot of time with as a child and he was a big big robust man. He raised horses and mules, farmed and then worked for the power company in addition to that. He was always busy doing something. He was a man that was essentially afraid of nothing. At least in my young eyes.

But I remember in 1983. I hadn't seen my grandfather in, I don't know, probably two years. And I went to visit him in his home in Louisiana. And when I did, he was a shell of his former self. Metastatic brain cancer had literally eaten him alive. He still recognized me, though. And we spent hours talking. Cancer is something that you hate any, you hate to see anybody go through. And it's, there's this ominous feeling

that you get when you get that diagnosis. I've had other members of my family that have died as well from cancer. But just imagine, if you will, a case so sinister that a cancer diagnosis pales when it comes to the truth of what actually happened to a woman who was alleged to have had terminal cancer, but yet she disappears off of the face of the planet. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags. Dave, I've always thought, I've always had it in the back of my mind, you can call me a conspiracy theorist.

I don't care. I've always had in the back of my mind that there is a cure for cancer out there. And it's just, it hasn't come about, I think, probably for monetary reasons. That's what it comes down to. I don't want to go too far down this rabbit hole. I don't want to get you fired up today, but I see it. And I see, you know, I've seen the, you know, as a death investigator, particularly, I've seen the end results. You know,

I've had to go to many homes where people have passed away that had cancer and they may have died for other reasons, but they had cancer. And there's that withering and it's so sad because it's this slow march that goes on. And, you know, Dave, it's something when you can actually find a case that we're going to talk about today where, you know, cancer plays in. This diagnosis of cancer plays into the narrative. But it's like I said in my opening, this is something even more sinister, I think, than cancer. Using cancer as the explanation for where a person has gone, might have gone, why they're missing, because that's

what actually happened. 76-year-old Jackie Glenn is missing. And any person of that age that just goes missing, and in this case, she has children, adult children. She has three grandchildren that call her Yaya, and they want to know where she is. And her husband, who is the stepfather to her adult children, tells them, well, she was recently diagnosed with cancer, terminal, and maybe she just decided to go away.

I mean, it was a very flimsy excuse. And by the way, easily checkable for those of us who have a family member or maybe you yourself have suffered from cancer, to use that as this placeholder, it's just despicable. It's hard. You know, I say I use this term a lot. It's really hard to plumb the depths of how sickening this is.

And you talk about verification. In my experience working for a medical examiner's office, we have to deal with cases involving cancer where, for any number of reasons, you might be requested by family to do an autopsy. And they're asking you to examine the body in the postmortem state to see if the diagnosis was accurate. Because I don't know if folks are aware of this, many times it's very hard for a family to convince a hospital pathologist to do an autopsy. They don't lean in to the practice as much as they did at one point in time. And so I've been involved both as an autopsy assistant and as an investigator in cases of cancer. And when you see these ravaged bodies, you know, that come before you and you're doing this,

and it's as an observer, first off, as, you know, as an employee at a medical examiner's office, you see the pathology that's before you and you see the progression that has taken place. As a family member that has gone through this, it's a real kick in the head, if you will, that someone would take this and use it to essentially offer up a reason why this woman would disappear off of the face of the planet. Now, this happened actually up in Nashville. This has been an ongoing case for some time, but, you know, thankfully, the family has some resolution now. But, Dave, here's something I'd like to ask you about. I think that at some point along the way, what they refer to as a silver alert was issued relative to this

poor woman. Is that correct? That's what they do with seniors that go missing. And it's different than an amber alert. And the silver alert is something that we see when it applies to an older person who has gone missing. And in this case, I actually was looking at the, uh, the terminology,

you know, it's to me, it's a fairly new one. It could have been around for a long time. I don't remember. I just know that I've just certainly picked up on it. I think it is newer Dave. I think you're right brother yeah well yeah it um so they issued the silver uh warning or warning uh bullet bulletin rather sorry um the silver alert was issued it

says uh joe glenn uh the silver alert says please help us find Jackie Glenn. 76. Last seen January 1st at her Abbott Martin Road home. And, you know, she drives this car and whatever. Very simple. But she's missing. They don't give an explanation as to what's going on in her world or anything else. At this point, though, I want to be honest, Joe. I wonder how quickly police were on to this. And I think it was fairly early on.

Because as they're investigating the first person they're going to talk to is going to be the spouse in this in this particular case 70 year old Joseph Glenn and he's going to tell them what happened which is all fresh it's happened January 1st okay January 1st is when they issue the silver alert that she's missing. And it didn't take long for all this to turn around very quickly because the family, first of all, their stepfather is telling them she has terminal cancer and went somewhere to be by herself, maybe. And they didn't buy it. Look, Joe, let me give you a little background on Jackie Glenn.

This is a very accomplished woman, Joe. I was amazed by this. She basically had two major careers. Very educated, by the way. She actually earned her bachelor's degree from Peabody College of Education and then later earned a master's degree in marketing. Her two careers, the first one was spent in education her focus was on um helping children uh that were on the spectrum uh children who had learning issues and things like that that was that was

her passion joe can you imagine what type of person i have a niece that does this and i know she's very special in being able to deal with these children, helping them learn. That was Jackie Glenn. And then she decided to follow her next step, which was as a wedding planner, a party planner, a marketing person. That's what she did. She's got this educated full-time career and decides, all right, time for something new. And she is a very successful wedding event venue planner. She actually opens up Riverwood Mansion.

Very successful. And she likes to travel. So she would take the girls. I say the girls meaning could be sisters, granddaughter, anybody, but female trips. We would do a guy trip, you, me,, granddaughter, anybody, but female trips. You know, like we would do a guy trip. You and me. Well, they did girl trips. And these girl trips weren't to Chattahoochee River to go fishing. It was they're going to Tuscany and France and Ireland and, you know, just these huge trips that she would fund.

I mean, this was a very special woman for a lot of people. And just reading about her, I'm thinking, what a heart she has for people. And to hear that she's been diagnosed with a terminal illness, terminal cancer, and has just vanished, the family was like, that's not the mother, the grandmother that I know. Yeah, and I'll tell you, Dave, that's a basic element in investigative procedure. And a woman that is this outgoing and that has so many people kind of orbiting her sphere. You know, when you think about the lives that she's contacted, first off as an educator. And then, my gosh, wedding planning. You realize how many people you have to come in contact with with that profession. And it's not like she's completely disconnected from her family if she's doing.

These are very intimate moments that she has where she's going abroad. I mean, all you got to do is pack into a hotel room with somebody or on a cruise with somebody for a couple of days or a week. And you get to know them very well. And plus, you've already got familial attachments. that she is dying of a terminal diagnosis and that no one would have heard peep from her about this. That's what's so striking about this, Dave, to me, at least. It's very, I think you'd use the term, it's a very thin, you know, kind of excuse. And it's easily explored. The thing about cancer diagnoses is that if you have family, many times families are in on decisions that are made. I'm not talking about like end of life things.

What I'm talking about is how are we going to coordinate getting someone to and from treatment? That is a big part of terminal illness with cancer. The reason is, is that the treatments that they offer weaken the body so much that, you know, you're as weak as a newborn kitten afterwards. Not to mention, you're markedly sick as well. So, it requires like several people many times to do this. Most of the time, it's going to be a family member, somebody in your intimate circle. And as you'd mentioned, this husband of hers, the stepfather to her children, he would be the first point of contact we would want to explore with because he's already put this narrative out there from an investigative standpoint. He told her children specifically that she has been diagnosed and that she has,

and this is kind of the curious thing, in consultation with her physician that is treating her, she's going to go make these end-of-life decisions, which again is very, very ominous. And of course, the trail eventually goes cold. The fact that her husband would offer up this information to her children, that their mother has made a decision about end-of-life preparations per her physician, is somewhat ominous. And of course, the trail goes cold. They have no idea where their mother is. So Jackie Glenn, Dave, is married to this man, Joe Glenn.

And he has put forth this idea that Jackie is involved with what he names as a support group. And here's kind of the chilling thing. So that she could die on her terms and she just vanishes off the face of the planet and it's at that point in time that you know i think that the the children you know they they suspect a rat here. They they have to because after the silver alert is issued and she's they're looking for a car, her car. And it's like a 2010 RAV4 SUV with Tennessee plates. Now, I see these cars on the road. But have you ever have you ever gotten startled awake in the middle of the night

by your phone going off with one of these alerts? It makes me jump out of my skin almost when these things go off. And it, the first time you hear one of these things, and it's generally for an Amber alert, a missing child, it blast out this message that they're looking for a specific vehicle. Now I've had these go off in the day and I can catch myself when they give a vehicle script on these, my head gets on the swivel. I start seeing these cars everywhere and I'm thinking, is this the person that's missing? In most cases with Amber Alerts, many times it's some kind of domestic beef between a mom and a dad.

And the mom or the dad have snatched the kids and they're running off with them. And, of course, you're going to be looking around. You're kind of hyper aware, if you will. But nothing developed from this, Dave. I started looking about how would the family, how would Jackie's family react to stepfather giving them these intimate details of her life when he's not their dad. For the grandkids, they know him as Papa or whatever, but they've only been married 24 years, Jackie Glenn and Joe Glenn. So I say only 24 years, but she's 76. So that means she's in her early 50s that they did not bite hook, line and sinker on his story that she has terminal cancer is in a support group and has just abandoned everybody she loves and cares about going

against everything they know about her as their mother and grandmother and just takes off. So police immediately are talking to Joseph Glenn and it takes no time at all to talk to a doctor. Hey, Joe terminal cancer. who's your doctor this is not a heavy lift figuring out you know what happened and it's the police they're calling the doctor no you can't share a lot of information doc but she's missing and husband's suggesting

that maybe she has taken off because she doesn't you know want to die in front of her family or something what do you suspect is going on here uh well i suspect that uh she doesn't want to die in front of her family or something. What do you suspect is going on here? Well, I suspect that she doesn't have cancer. Really? Yeah. Yeah. They couldn't. The doctor said, I'm not treating her for this.

And that's what makes this so ridiculous when you begin to think about it, because this is a specific diagnosis. This is not some kind of thing that's kind of floating out in the ether. This is very specific because before doctors will actually make a diagnosis like this, there's all kinds of testing that you go through. You can have certainly extensive blood work that's performed. If there is a tumor that they suspect is a tumor, they're going to go in and do a section of that, perhaps maybe a fine needle aspiration or one of these things.

And first off, they're going to see if this is the primary tumor. They're going to see if it's, you know, perhaps it's metastasized somewhere else. And not to mention all of the imaging, Dave. So, we're not talking about a process where you walk into a doctor's office and you've got a raging head cold and they see you. They might do a head X-ray for whatever reason. I don't know why, but they're going to say, yeah, this is probably an advanced. You've got an advanced case of sinusitis here. We're going to put you on some antibiotics. Here's some decongestant.

It's not that passive. This is something that involves multiple people but i can tell you who i think smelled a rat with this and this is this is actually jackie's son uh because you know he i think if i'm not mistaken he had an app that he had access to that could track her phone everywhere window he has life 360 and they're able to because immediately well we got to find her and he steps up and says well i've got this app let's try that and it led them to odd driving patterns of joe gl not Jackie, Joe. And it didn't take the investigators long to bring Joe in and sweat him. Got to find out what happened, Joe.

Tell us. And that's where, based on the information, and Joe, you've been much more involved in this than I have at the investigative level. What are we looking for? Because we are in the first couple of days. She's missing on january 1st and they're talking to uh joe that week joe glenn the husband uh what condition are we expecting to find her body in at this stage of the game assuming she's dead are police going to do that in talking with this uh husband are they going to assume he killed her already and she's dead are police going to do that or in talking with this uh husband are they going

to assume he killed her already and she's gone i mean he's not hiding her why would he hide his own wife where are they gonna are they gonna jump to any conclusions here well i don't know that they necessarily jump to conclusions but they're going to target you know again an intimate they're going to target that that person that has access and control or potential access and control over the life of somebody that they share a home with, that they're in an intimate relationship with. And one of the first things that you want to do is to, if she's not at the house, if they have thoroughly searched that property, gone from stem to stern there, you have to ask yourself, well, does Joe Glenn have any other property?

Are there any other locations that he might frequent where she could be? Because you're seeing this movement, and electronic forensics is fascinating. If you think about this phone kind of pinging about and it's traveling in tandem, perhaps, with his, you get this idea that he's going to know where she was last seen alive. And you've got these things traveling in tandem. And that's very hard if you're a suspect. That's very difficult to explain away. I'm reflecting back to the young airman from the Air Force that had gone to the Mennonite compound. I think it was New Mexico where this occurred, and he kidnapped the young Mennonite woman. And you could see their phones traveling in tandem down the road. And, of course, he winds up killing her and burying her back in Arizona. And that's very hard to escape, I think, as far as circumstantial evidence goes. Because you're still in the mode as an investigator.

You're still in the mode that this is a missing person. Okay, up to a point. When you begin to hear what he is saying to try to explain it away, it becomes progressively more ominous and dark because you know that she just doesn't vanish merely off the face of the planet. You're wondering, well, if you've been traveling with her or at least her phone, how is it that you came to be in possession of her phone? Why is it that she would drop completely out of contact in order to go get this care that she was seeking per her, her physician with her support group? Because once you get caught up in that lie, the intensity of the light that you're going to be under relative to the cops is going to brighten all the more. And they're going to

look into every comment that you've made, every movement that you've made, any other peripheral statements that you may have mentioned to family members, co-workers, anything like that. So that's going to put them in a position where they're going to zero in on you. And I think that the big question, and I know, and you know, I hate why, but let's just say what, what would have been his motivation for lying about this? What would be his motivation to essentially make her vanish off the face of the planet? And that's what the police are faced with, Dave. Interesting that the family totally shocked to their core.

Interesting in that they were involved with helping the police determine who the victim is in Jackie Glenn, what type of individual she is, what would they expect. And they're talking about this, you know, in such a way that the police really know that she didn't leave. And they are able to, as you say, they zero in on Joe Glenn. And once they get Joe Glenn in a room and they're hitting him with, okay, buddy, you said she's got terminal cancer. She doesn't. We've tracked her phone with you, and you're making all these treks. Now, granted, it's to your own property that you own,

but still, why are you doing all this when your wife supposedly is missing? And he has no explanation. So, Joe, it doesn't take long for Joe Glenn to cough up to the investigators what they're looking for. And as far as interviews with police go, the ones that I to see are are the crazy ones where somebody's trying to lie their way out of a jam rarely do we see an interview or hear of an interview that goes like this one did joe yeah yeah and in very short order the police were able to determine what had happened to Jackie Glenn's body. But Dave, when I tell you what he had done to her and with her, it's going to send a chill down your spine. My wife and I travel quite a bit, Dave. You know, generally short trips.

I mean, we do take trips overseas every now and then. It's generally work-related. But I like to have my grandkids with me. And so we don't stray too far away from the American South. Go to the beach in the South, go to the mountains in the South, that sort of thing. But one thing I never could quite get right, even as a young father, was one of those luggage carrier things that you have to strap to the roof of a car. I don't know what it is. I guess I was intimidated by them.

And I always bought them used, so they were probably always busted, every single one that I had. And I had a tough time kind of getting things arranged. But, Dave, I got to tell you, you know, when the police began to interview this man and he made this big reveal regarding Jackie, it led the police to a location where he had actually disposed of her body. And he used a very unique method, I think. And one of the things that kind of trips criminals up many times in regards to the burial of a body, didn't they recover her remains on property that Joe Glenn owned? To back up, Joe Glenn admitted to killing her, just so we know. Joe Glenn confessed to police. They hit him with all this evidence. As we were mentioning a minute ago about his travels with Jackie, that the cancer, nothing makes sense, Joe.

Tell us what happened. And at first, he tells them what he did to her and you and i deal with nancy grace on her show and you do so many other shows we oftentimes talk about when a person begins to plan a murder and you know there's always that moment of when they decided to go for it. It could be in the blink of an eye. Right. We've heard that. And, you know, twinkling of an eye. I'm like, but anyway, he can't.

Joe, as he explains how he killed his wife of 24 years, he can't claim it was just spur of the moment. Got into an argument. I grabbed what was nearest and started bashing because weeks before he killed his wife on January 1st and the day the silver missing alert went out, three weeks before then he had a guy digging a trench out on property they owned, a big trench. And he also bought a plastic tarp and he bought a couple of other things that came into play when he kills his wife on January 1st. So. The idea that he had this planned out ahead of time kind of lays out before you. It's not like, Joe, I can't believe what happened. We got into this really horrible argument.

And I just I was so mad and I hit her with a hammer. Can't even say that. He planned it by the ditch, by the tarp. Dude, he beat her to death with a hammer, Joe. I know, and this is, you know, we talk about many times in cases this factor of premeditative events where there's a lot of planning involved in this. And here's the thing. Many people will be very meticulous about what they're going to do with an individual. I think that until they're actually faced with what the future holds for them,

it's like they don't give that consideration, but they'll go through these stages. Do you realize what it would take to have somebody come out and trench out an area on a piece of property? And this piece of property that they owned is essentially in, it's a, there are multiple lots around this area where you're going to have home builds that are going to go in. And that's a big piece of property.

And it's outside of Nashville. He specifically asked someone to trench this area out. Now, here's problem one. Now you're involving a separate subject. OK, you're involving this individual to help you. And they might not be aware of it, help you facilitate a crime. And you can do this without knowing it. A man owns a property, wants me to come out and trench something out.

That's what I do. That's what I do for a living. I'm a trench guy. Yeah, that's what I do. I've got the equipment. I'll tell you what my hourly rate is, and you pay me. And done and done. But then you get the alert on your phone and you're like

hey i know this guy yeah i know exactly or i know the car yeah no that's not that's got to be just absolutely terrifying so in in this he had gone to great lengths to plan first, where he was going to place a body once he wound up killing his wife. And then I've been thinking about this, Dave, and I'm wondering, does he stop midstream throughout all of this after he's gone through all these elaborate steps to facilitate this? And he's thinking, oh, my gosh, now what am I going to tell everybody? How do I explain that she's vanished at this point in time? Oh, I've got it. Cancer.

You know, and so that pops into his mind. And this is the most expedient thing that he can do relative to this. But, Dave, you know, once they started putting pressure on him, you know, I think that she died on January the 1st, 2024, and they wind up within four days of recovering her remains. So he spilled all of the beans, all of the work that he had put into this. But, you know, you talk about that it was, you know, people think, well, what could have driven him to rage like this? Well, this was not a reactionary event, Dave. This was not a reactionary event because you think about Hammer and you think, well, we got into a fight, as you had mentioned.

You pick up the closest object, which we refer to as a weapon of convenience. And then you begin to attack somebody viciously because hammer attacks are beyond the pale. No, he had been thinking about this weeks in advance. He had time. This is the tough part. He had time. If you're going to kill somebody, you know, why is it? I'm using the word why.

What would be your motivation for doing it in such a brutal manner? Right. Do you not have a weapon? If you're planning it out. If you're going to spend this time planning. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, to me, this indicates a lot of anger.

This is a blunt force trauma that he is exacting upon this woman when he beats her to death with this. Now, once you do this, what are you going to do with her body? And that's the odd thing about this. And I see this lots of times in what we refer to as a clandestine burial. By the way, I'm actually teaching a class this semester at Jacksville State called Clandestine Burials. And this fits right in with the narrative that we see. You just never know what perpetrators are going to do with human remains. And I've seen this in my career as well. You know, Dave, this idea of cocooning a body, it's one of the biggest gifts for someone in forensics that a perpetrator can do because he took the aforementioned tarp that you and entombed her body in that and then pushed everything in on top of it to cover the body.

Now, I can tell you this. When you show up at a clandestine burial site, one of the things you're looking for as far as we have two things that we talk about. We talk about the topography and we talk about the taphonomy. And so the topography is essentially the lay of the land. You know, is it a flat space? Does it rise? Does it fall? Then you have taphonomy.

And that goes into this idea of the changes in the soil, the configuration of soil. Are you impacted by erosion, water? So you have to have a mix of all of this, and then you analyze the scene. This is such a fresh dig that there's no way that you would have like, and plus it's wintertime in Tennessee, by the way. We're talking about in January. So you're not going to have like little sprigs of grass growing up. You're going to be looking at bare earth, what they refer to as recently turned earth. And it really, you know,

it's one of these moments in time where you would, if you could take this guy aside and look at him and say, does your mind work? You know, what's the deal with with this why would you go to these links that you went to and and then you're going to roll over because you know dave he actually wound up rolling over on this case he he rolled over to the point where they were able to not only find her body body but this guy takes the weapon which is a hammer and places it into a dumpster right so the police are actually able to recover this weapon and that you know we've heard the term smoking gun this is a blood-soaked hammer if you will it's going to have some element some trace element on it whether it's blood or hair You're talking about multiple blunt force impacts to the skull. And it's LeCarte's principle.

Every time you take that hammer and you impact it onto the skull, you're talking about drawing away blood that's on the surface after you've broken the skin with this massive laceration, you've got hair that is probably attached to the head of this hammer because blood is so tacky and you're traumatizing the scalp to the point where you're literally pulling hair out that you, I've even seen cases with blunt force trauma where you will have bits of tissue. And I'm not talking about like brain, I'm just talking about skin that will attach itself to the surface of the weapon.

And it can be any number of types of weapons. So he actually gifted the police with these evidence-rich elements that he had. And he went so far as to preserve the body. Because not only is she in this plastic encasement that you would normally put luggage in and tie to the top of your car when you're heading down to Florida with your family. He's got her wrapped in a tarp. So any kind of trace forensic evidence like person to person contact, that's not going to dissipate. And she's been in the ground for such a very, very short period of time that they're not going to have to fight a lot of decompositional changes with Jackie's body, Dave. And I did want to ask you about that, Joe.

I want to point one thing out very quickly. On top of everything you just outlined, investigators found a note, a handwritten note that Joe Joe had written down about his to do list. He actually had written down items that he needed to pick up, including a hammer and a tarp. He wrote this down before. Again, going back to premeditation, it wasn't just all of a sudden boom it was i need these items he also planned on items of hers that he was going to sell very quickly too for whatever reason i don't know but i wanted to ask you joe because we know according to joe glenn he killed He buried her the next day. How much deterioration would occur in her body in that period of time of less than 24 hours at her age? And by the way, does age have anything to do with how quickly a body breaks down?

No, it really does. That's an excellent question. I don't think I've ever had anybody ask me that question. But yeah, it is fascinating when you think about it. You would think that perhaps your chronological age might have some kind of impact on the progression of decomposition in a body. It really doesn't. Now, if you're more robust muscularly, that might have some impact relative to the presentation of something like rug or mortise, okay? But when we're, you know, and we just did an episode recently, Dave, where we talked about decompositional processes in a micro sense. But now we're talking about macro, where it's a broader scope where you're looking for deterioration in a body. You're not going to see a lot of that at all with her body at this point in time.

And here's another piece to this, which I think is significant, because not only has she been cocooned and encased, she's in a subterranean state where she's buried, and you've got a coolness that's set in. Remember, I mean, obviously, Tennessee doesn't, it's not like permafrost or something that you would see in northern Minnesota or in Alaska or Canada. But you're talking about the soil temperature. The ground temperature is very cool as well. So that's going to aid in the preservation of the remains.

You're not going to see a lot of decay in the body. What I'm fascinated by, I think, is what are they going to find at the scene as far as elements that can be tied back directly to this husband? Are there any kind of instruments that he may have used at the scene that helped him facilitate finishing up this area that he's dug out? Here's one more thing that I don't know if folks think about this or not. You're talking about plastic here. You're talking about a plastic covering and this travel case. Guess what? I'd like to know how long he's owned this thing. Because if this is a recent purchase, you might find other people's fingerprints on this.

They're not going to be deteriorated, particularly on the interior. If he's grabbing the interior of the lid and like lowering it down, this is probably going to be, it might be slightly textured, but it might be a non-porous surface. You would be able to recover fingerprints from the underside of this carrier. And in addition to this, this is a plastic tarp. You could actually take that tarp and fume it with like super glue, perhaps. And you would be able to determine if, in fact, this was something that he had had his hand on. And oddly enough, a lot of the forensic stuff

won't even come into play because Joe Glenn glenn actually surprised us didn't he yeah you know joe glenn actually admitted to killing his wife beating her to death with a hammer and then taking her body and wrapping it placing it into this car carrier, and then placing the entirety of all of those elements into a pre-dug hole, I think that we can conclude that Glenn knew what he was looking at. He's looking at the police having this huge collection of evidence that is going to point directly at him. But I can tell you this, on Wednesday, August the 28th, Joseph Glenn pled guilty to the charge of first-degree murder, and he has now been sentenced to life. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body Bags. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.