Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - BOMBSHELL: Suzanne Morphew hubby caught searching dump for missing wife's bike helmet

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

Suzanne Morphew has been missing nearly five months, and we find out husband Barry Morphew has listed their Colorado home for sale. The family has been renting a home nearby for the last several weeks. Barry Morphew says he believes his wife was abducted. Andy Moorman, Suzanne's brother, has spearheaded search efforts into her disappearance. Recently, cadaver dogs were brought in to search the area around the home.What happened to Suzanne Morphew?Joining Nancy Grace Today: Mike King - 4 decades in Law Enforcement, served as co-chair of the FBIs VICAP (Violent Criminal Apprehension Program) National Advisory Board, former Chief of Staff Utah Attorney General Jan Graham, - cohost and creator of Profiling Evil, www.profilingevil.com Chris McDonough - Four decades in Law Enforcement, Served as co-chair of the FBI's VICAP (Violent Criminal Apprehension Program) National Advisory Board, Former Chief of Staff with Utah Attorney General Jan Graham, Co-host and Creator of "Profiling Evil" Wendy Patrick- California prosecutor, author “Red Flags”, Host of "Live With Dr. Wendy" on KCBQ Radio www.wendypatrickphd.com  Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta Ga www.angelaarnoldmd.com Ellen Killoran - Investigative Reporter CrimeOnline Lauren Scharf - Fox 21 Colorado Springs News Reporter  Tip line: Colorado Bureau of Investigation: 719-312-7530 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mom goes missing in Colorado of all days on Mother's Day. How did that happen? Of course, I'm talking about Suzanne Morphew. And in the last hour's breaking news in the case. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. And I want to thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. Right now, her brother, Andrew Moorman, seemingly taking the lead in searching for his missing sister. Take a listen now to our friend, Andy Moorman, speaking to Dr. Phil.

Do you believe that they have found your sister? I think there's a good possibility. And can you describe what the area is? Is this a mine shaft? Is it a grave site? Is it disturbed ground? Is it an air shaft? What kind of area did they hit on? Well, one of them is a riverfront. Another one is a tree planting. And the third one is an addition being put in and the entrance area with blocks.

Are these areas that would lend themselves to hiding body or body parts? Yes, absolutely. So when those dogs hit, what was the first thing that went through your mind, Andy? I just said, damn, I can't, can't believe anybody would do this. Did you think it was something else or did you think they found her? I think there's a good chance we should find out in the coming days. And I always knew nothing good was going to come out of this film. You're hearing Suzanne Morphew's brother, Andrew, speaking publicly about the search for Suzanne. As of right now, the indications are that when the cadaver dogs hit at that location, that it was not Suzanne Morphew.

How did the whole thing begin? Take a listen to this. Wanted to wish their mother a happy Mother's Day, got no answer. They called their father, said, Dad, we can't get a hold of mom. He tried, and he asked the neighbor to go over and see if she was home. So the neighbor goes over, opens the garage, the cars are all home. She returns to her phone, calls Barry. Cars are home. Barry says, what about our bicycle? The lady says, I'll have to go back over. in town with Barry getting a sandwich at 4, 4 p.m. At midnight, somebody friended all of the guys my age on her Facebook. At midnight. At midnight?

Yeah. My theory is she was killed after 4. Her Facebook was manipulated at midnight. Yeah. My theory is she was killed after four. Her Facebook was manipulated at midnight. She was hidden between midnight and 4 a.m. on Mother's Day morning. You are hearing her brother, Suzanne Morphew's brother, speaking to our friend Phil. Long story short, we're learning so much more about the timeline that Suzanne Morphe was seen on Saturday around 4 o'clock. And that somehow, and I'm just learning this, her Facebook was used at midnight to friend a lot of guys online. With me, an all-star panel to break it down, the author of Red Flags.

And she's the host of Live with Dr. Wendy KCBQ. Dr. Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at AngelaArnoldMD.com. Fox 21 Colorado Springs News reporter Lauren Scharf on the case from the beginning. Two special guests joining us. Mike King, 40 years law enforcement. He is the co-host creator of Profiling Evil at profilingevil.com. With me, his co-host, Chris McDonough, 25 years police officer, Southern California, co-host Profiling Evil, profilingevil.com. They've been on the case from the very beginning. But first, to CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter Ellen Killoran.

Ellen, what can you tell me about what Andrew Mormon, the brother, just says to Phil? You know, I've been on day one, Ellen, you and I locked horns and went round and round and round because I kept saying, who keeps saying she was on her bike? Did anybody ever see her on her bike? Our very first conversation, the banner was, was she ever on her bike? Now I'm understanding it was Barry Morphew, the husband, that first said, where's her bike? Did I get that right, Ellen? Yes, you did. We learned more in the last week or so about the timeline of Suzanne Morphew's disappearance than we have in the preceding

nearly five months. We know now that she was seen at 4 p.m. the day before she was reported missing with her husband, Barry Morphew. If we compare that to what we know about Barry Morphew's activity the next Sunday, Mother's Day, the day that she was reported missing, it seems that Barry Morphew would have had to arrive either very late Saturday night or very early Sunday morning to go to Broomfield, Colorado for a landscaping job. A landscaping job that, from what we understand, was never completed. Okay, I'm just trying to take in everything you said, E.K. It's like me drinking from a fire hydrant. It's so much at once. But let me just go back to what you were saying.

Everything you just said is valuable to me. So the first person that ever said, what about the bike, was Barrymore for you. Is that right? Yes. That is what we understand. When the neighbor went to Suzanne's home to check on her, because her daughters couldn't reach her, she first looked into the garage to see if the cars were there. The cars were there. Apparently, Barry then contacted her and said, but what about the bike? It was him who suggested that the neighbor look for the bike, which, of course, the neighbor didn't find. And to you, Lauren Scharf, joining me at Fox 21 Colorado Springs, news reporter on the case from the get-go.

Lauren, what is this about her Facebook? Suzanne Morphew apparently goes on her Facebook at midnight that night after she spotted that day at 4. Now, I think we're talking about Saturday night. And she starts friending all these guys. Who is she friending? I mean, that's a good question, Nancy. I've spoken to Barry Moore a few multiple times, and he has not once ever mentioned Facebook

or any activities that Suzanne had on Facebook. He did mention that, you know, on Sundays, she would typically like to take bike rides. Interesting. Joining me, along with Lauren Scharf, FARCS21, and Ellen Kaloran, CrimeOnline.com, Mike King and Chris McDonough, just both of them. One has 40 years in law enforcement.

One has 25 as a cop. 13 is homicide. First, you guys just jump in. And Lauren, EK, that goes for you, too. If you have a fact that is relevant to what we're talking about at that moment, Mike King, what can you tell me about Suzanne Morphew reportedly going on at midnight? Now, listen, if I catch my husband in a closet friending people at midnight, I can tell you right now all H-E-double-L are going to break loose. Because we get up at 5 o'clock in the morning and hit the ground running. And that would just make me concerned. What do you know, Mike King?

Yeah, that's really the big questions that keep popping up in these red flags that we keep talking about, Nancy. We go back and we look at probabilities versus possibilities. And there are so many stinking possibilities in a deal like this, but we start thinking about what is really probable and what is probable based on Suzanne's behavior. You sound like me making a closing argument. What's probable and what's possible? I mean, it's possible a little green man flew down from Mars and took her, right?

But that's not probable. What is probable? What's the likely? What's her, right? But that's not probable. What is probable? What's the likely, what's her Facebook activity? What's her routine? I mean, to get one at midnight and start friending people. Who is she friending, Chris McDonough? Yeah, so when I, hey Nancy, when I talked to Andy, he told me directly that his older brother started, his friend started getting Facebook messages from Suzanne.

And I mean, that was just like, you've got to be kidding me. And so, yeah, to your point, I'm tracking you 100%. It just doesn't fit. When you say Facebook messages, so is this all these people are getting messages from her for the first time the night before she goes missing? Yeah, not messages. I'm sorry, but friending. They were friended, yeah, for the first time.

And by the way, you know, they grew up together, right? They knew it. They've known each other all their lives, and all of a sudden that night she decides to become her friend. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Everybody, we're talking about the disappearance of Suzanne Morphew and we've just come upon between Lauren Scharf, Ellen Kaloran, and Mike King, Chris McDonough, something very interesting.

What about it, Wendy Patrick? Suddenly she's up friending people she's known her whole life? This is enormously suspicious. This is a huge bright red flag. Routine custom practice, what somebody normally does, what time they normally go to bed and everybody that's talking about receiving requests from Suzanne know they're receiving friend requests from her account and therein lies the rub if she gets up like you do Nancy at 5 a.m. I guarantee

you she's not up friending people at midnight nor do we have any indication she uses Facebook a lot so this is a this is something that is probably one of the pieces of evidence that's going to be most important in trying to figure out not only who else might have access to her account, but whether or not she is still alive, where she is, why she would do this. And if she has access to Facebook and it's really her, this probably is not the way she would be spending her time at this time and again according to chris mcdonough and mike king who are the co-hosts of profiles an awesome awesome website uh and podcast right guys let me ask you about this chris mcdonough mike king i'll just go

to you mike um a lot of people well actually just been Barry Morphew, the husband, has said law enforcement has bungled the case from the beginning and that he's their scapegoat. I'm sure that local police have pulled up her Facebook account and looked at her activity to determine is this kind of thing she would do? Yeah, exactly. And I think the thing that was so troubling to us is he immediately throws out four scenarios. He talks about the bike ride and the crash on the bike.

He then brings up this wild story of a cougar attack. And then he brings in the boogeyman. And then finally, he starts pointing at, well, maybe it's someone that's known to her. And so what we tried to do is go down and just start looking at those individually and breaking them down. And, of course, the first one and the easiest one to go after was the mountain lion story. Well, isn't it true that I do a lot of camping, a lot of RVing, work to the National Forest. It's my understanding when there is an animal attack, there would be evidence of that. There would be blood at the spot of the attack, most likely.

You would see drag marks. I mean, the cougar, cougar, I'm doing that with air quotas, would not put her body in their SUV and drive off with it. You would see drag marks. You would see indications the body had been dragged. And typically they don't drag the body that far away. They eat it and they will leave behind maybe bones, clothing that is torn off the body. None of that existed. Absolutely. And that was troubling to us there was no crime scene no attack scene no artifact on the ground to suggest there was even a scuffle everything that we could see from looking at other predacious movements is that there are drag marks like a small deer being drugged even this is a a woman who's over a hundred pound uh and and dragging her would not be an easy feat.

And the fact is that a cat is only going to carry its prey maybe 450 feet at a maximum. And then it's going to come back and it's going to, kind of gruesome to say, but it's going to come back and consume that for a number of days. It just doesn't fit. You know, to you, Chris McDonough, 25 years, cop, 13, is homicide. At the very beginning, Morphew has declared his innocence. Let's just be firm about that. Stated that an animal attacked her, but cops said at the get-go this was no animal attack.

Do I have that part right? Yes, you do, Angie. You know, I'm learning more from Andrew Mormon than I am throughout the entire process. Take a listen now to our friend Ellen Giannette at CBS4 Denver. The hardest thing. She's a beloved member of our family and the sweetest person that you've ever met. The nephew of 49-year-old Suzanne Morphew talking about what it's like to go through the difficulty of a search that started after she went missing during a Sunday bike ride. Family has said her husband, Barry, was out of town in Denver.

A friend called authorities when Morphew didn't return. The bike was found on Sunday, the day that she went missing. The sheriff has not yet shared information on the bike, but has told CBS 4 the reason for her disappearance is probably not animals. Extensive searching in Chafee County, about 20 miles west of Salida, has not brought an answer on what happened to Morphew. You know, to Lauren Scharf, Fox 21 News, you spoke with Barry Morphew. He says he was devastated, looking for his wife, putting together the pieces. He refused to do an in-person interview and did not want your phone interview recorded more if you suggested suzanne may have

been attacked by an animal a run-in with an unknown person or someone she knew what tell me what happened on that phone call yeah nancy so. So I've spoken to him multiple times. And the first time he did mention the attack on a mountain or a mountain lion attack. But the second interview I did with him over the phone where I shared his audio from that, he didn't mention the mountain lion at all. He strictly talked about what had happened that weekend in Broomfield and how his employees were there trying to fix a retaining wall in Broomfield. And that's where he was coming back from. Okay, wait a minute. He said he was on his way back when he got the call about Suzanne missing?

Back to Salida from Broomfield. Because I thought he was in Broomfield when he got the call. Yes. He was there supposedly meeting with other people to work on the construction site and that's when he got the call but you're telling me he was already on his way back? Yes. Before having even met up with his coworkers? Yes. The coworkers tell me they never saw Barry that weekend. But what does he say?

Yeah, he never mentioned that he saw his coworkers at all either. No, no, no. What I mean is he goes all the way out of town, Mike King. He goes all the way out of town for a job, I believe, on Saturday night. Every indication we have is that he leaves Sunday morning at 5 a.m. Yes, thank you. That's the last thing that we have being reported. And then there's question about at what time he hears this. Even the most optimal and the most optimistic time is that he gets the word at 5 p.m. But he still doesn't get home until 9 o'clock if we follow the Draper video and the statements that Barry makes in the Draper video.

So that's four hours to make a two-hour drive, which is also a little bit odd. When did he have the co-workers show up? Sunday morning at about 11. Okay. So by that point, he had already left, right, Chris McDonough? Because what Lauren Scharf is saying is that he was already on his way back home when he got the news. That's what he told her. Yeah, and that's one of the interesting things here, Nancy, is his timeline is so messed up.

And it actually gets even a little bit better because during the search process, there was a clerk that I actually interviewed, thanks to Lauren, in outside, and what was interesting about the conversation was he looks out, and there's stores closed, right? In the early evening hours, and long story short, he looks out and he sees Barry going through the trash outside. And he's like, hmm, who's this guy? And he knocks on the door, the door opens, and the first thing out of his mouth, according to this witness, was,

hey, I'm looking for a baby blue bicycle helmet. Have you seen a baby blue bicycle helmet in the trash? And the clerk goes, what? And then the manager steps up and says, can we help you? And this is where the infamous note is written about what Suzanne's wearing, the bike helmet, et cetera, but no description of Suzanne. That was a huge, huge red flag that Mike and I put together along with Lauren early on during this situation. So that's new information that White Brampton is first time we're talking about. put together along with Lauren early on during this situation. So that's new information that White Brans is first time we're talking about.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, in the last hours, we're getting a flood of information about the disappearance of Suzanne Morphew. Her brother, not her husband, seems to be leading the crusade to find her. With me, an awesome panel, including Ellen Kalor in Crime Online,

Lauren Scharf, Fox 21, Mike King, Chris McDonough from Profiling Evil, Wendy Patrick, and Dr. Angela Arnold. I want to go back to what you were just telling me. With me, Chris McDonough, Mike King. Mike King, Chris is saying that somebody looks out a window and sees Morphew, the husband, digging through trash when asked, hey, what are you doing? He says, have you seen a baby blue bike helmet? Who spotted him? Where is this?

And when is it? I didn't get that. Yeah, good. It's the little market right in town. And it is the employee, a young man who's working there who first notices this and has the first conversation and then the store manager actually has a conversation provides barry with a piece of paper to write the note that we now have a copy of that says he's looking for the blue helmet the thing that was so odd is he's in the garbage and the first thing out of his mouth is i'm looking for a blue helmet holy cow where did that come from what day was this? It was Tuesday the following

couple days after Suzanne was reported missing on that Sunday. Why would he be looking in a dump for that if he thought that she had had a crash or been taken by an animal? Why would he be looking in the trash behind the little market for a blue helmet? And another thing, Lauren Scharf, am I correct that he told you he did not want that phone call recorded? He did not want to do an in-person interview? Yes, that first call that lasted 30 minutes, yeah, he did not want that audio shared. And then a couple weeks later, he calls me back for an hour, and that's the audio that I shared. You know, I just keep thinking about everything you're telling me right now, and I'm projecting, I'm projecting when I learn my fiancé had been murdered. I remember the moment exactly.

I'll never forget it. Maybe I wish I could forget it. No, no, no. I need to know, and I need to remember. But after all this time, I remember it like it was yesterday. And I'm not able to nail down Chris McDonough. Ellen Kalorn, if you know, just jump in, Ellen. Don't hang back.

Did he learn his wife was missing at the hotel where he had left Sunday morning from home, presumably leaving her alive and well. He drives about three hours away for a job. Did he learn there or was he already en route back home? Because why do you bring a whole crew of people to come do a construction site, build a retainer wall, and then you don't stay to meet them? I thought the whole point was he was going to scope the site on Mother's Day and was going to meet up with them. When did he learn, Chris McDonough? What is he saying about when he learned Suzanne's missing? Well, there's a couple of different types

or different time frames, Nancy. One of them is around 5 o'clock p.m. Sunday. The other is a possibility of mid-afternoon Sunday. And both of these, one is from Barry himself, the 5 p.m., and the other is from employees, because when they got up there on Sunday, it was kind of a rushed thing. It was a situation where, you know, he basically calls them and says, you know, calls one particular witness and says, well, we've got to get up there. We've got this job. We've got to fix this wall, et cetera.

I'll meet you up there. Well, that other employee, and I'll let Lauren speak to this, but that employee basically says that around 4 a.m., not to confuse the issue, but around 4 a.m. Sunday morning, she believes she hears Barry's truck outside of her apartment. And so she gets into a panic, like, we've got to get going. And by that time, you know, he's gone. And then the phone call comes in to this person who says, hey, get the crew together. I'll meet you up there.

And by that time, they're on the road around 11 a.m. Sunday. And so between 11. Okay, this is getting very convoluted. Yeah, and that's not your fault, Chris McDonough. It's because the nature of the way we're learning the facts. We're getting different stories. EK, Ellen Kalor in Crime Online. When do we think Morphew says he learned his wife is missing?

He told me that he left around 5 o'clock when he learned that, you know, he had a family emergency. He called his crew around 6.30. You're going to have to figure it out on their own. And that all they knew was that it was a family emergency. Okay, hold on. Is this Lauren talking? Lauren, okay. Tell me again.

Did you say 5? He learned at 5 p.m.? 5 p.m. Sunday. And she was reported missing, at least from the, you know, communication center in Chafee County, was at 5.46 p.m. on Sunday. Okay, wait a minute. Question to you, Lauren Scharf. What time did the, I'm calling them co-workers. I don't know that they actually worked together. They were summoned by him to come to this, to the scene to build a retainer wall. What time did they get there? And he was already gone, Lauren. They didn't even leave Salida until 630. So they didn't even see each other at all. Okay. Got it. When they were leaving, they got a call saying he wasn't going to be there because of a family emergency, but to go ahead and start the project on Monday morning.

Take a listen to Suzanne's brother, Andrew Moorman, speaking to our friend, Dr. Phil. The EVI information on the truck didn't line up, Phil. He said he saw her at 5 a.m., and he did not. And how do you know that? Testimony from an employee that he was rambling down the road texting people at four in the morning trying to get them to go to Broomfield. So. Can't be at home at five.

And talking to somebody on the road at four. Right. That is, so that, the timeline doesn't add up at all. No, not at all. You've got two nieces, Mallory, who's who's now 22 and macy who's 16. would she go off riding by herself or would she be in contact with them would she go off the radar for seven days and and have no social media presence no presence electronically for that period of time with with her? No, absolutely not.

So what we're learning from Suzanne's mother, he says the EVI, I guess that's the navigation on Morphew's truck, doesn't fit. What are we talking about, Ellen? Calorin Crime Online? That is all he said, but what it seems to be is that whatever data tracking device was on Murphy's truck, Barry Murphy's truck, does not line up with where he told police he was at a given time of that weekend. Now, police have never once commented on his alibi or confirmed it. So I think that part of the reason why there's so much confusion about this timeline is that a big, a big part of this timeline so far has come from Barry who may be

contradicting himself. There is a lot of confusion. I don't think that any, I certainly can't say with any certainty where I think Barry Morphe was at, you know, every hour of the Sunday that Barry Morphe was at, you know, every hour of the Sunday that Suzanne Morphe went missing. So I would really like to know what he told police and how much does what the data shows deviate from what he told police. To Dr. Angela Arnold-Sakai, who is joining me out of Atlanta. Dr. Angie, I can tell you right now where I was and where my husband was,

where my children were this past Sunday and the Sunday before that. I may have to look at the calendar to figure out where we were the Sunday before that, but I know. How can there be that much confusion surrounding the space of 10 hours? Well, Nancy, it sounds to me that, you know, when people are trying to hide something and when they're and when they may not be being truthful about something, they have to keep rearranging their story and then they forget what they say. And with all of the experts that you have on your panel today, and this is so hard for everybody to put together, I think it's so

hard for everyone to put together because there's so many lies that are interwoven in this. Let me remind everybody that Suzanne Morphew's husband, Barry Morphew, insists he is innocent. It has nothing to do with Suzanne's disappearance. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young mom, Suzanne Morphew. Now, I also understand that in the last hours we are learning their family home has been put up for sale for about $1.759 million. You know, to you, Mike King, I mean, I still have my fiance's picture, his baseball glove, his baseball, his letters to me. I have all that that I see every day. It would be hard until I knew the answer as to her disappearance that I would sell the home.

Maybe there's some kind of financial problem that I don't know about. But if she could come home, I would want the home to be there until this case is resolved. You know what? That's a personal opinion. And I know we're going round and round about the timeline, Mike, but that's the way investigations are. If you sat me down with my investigator working on a case, these are exactly the way we would be talking about, well, what is this and what is that? But didn't he say this and didn't they say that? So, Mike, what times do we believe Morphew claims he learned his wife was missing? Mike King. You know, I just have to go back to the one the one solid piece is his testimony to Lauren

Scharf, where he says, I left the home at 5 a.m. and she was sleeping. So even even with that, then we have to look at other evidence that has popped up that we haven't been able to corroborate. We're like you. We have to live on what social media is sharing, but suggestions that she was abruptly ending conversation the day before on Facebook and then odd behavior later into the evening on Facebook that was completely out of character. So we can start to establish what seems like a more credible timeline. And

then, of course, the idea of when do the email messages or the text messages start on Mother's Day, wishing her well to kind of establish a communication baseline, and then sending the neighbor over once and then twice, and the response to return home. And then again, the time to get home. Nancy, I want to tell you something. Barry did admit one inconsistency to me about his timeline that he provided to investigators, but he told me it was a mechanical thing to his bobcat. That's the one thing that he said that he mistakenly had confused. And, you know, he said, you know, I just found out my wife was missing and I didn't have that timeline right.

As far as what was wrong mechanically with his Bobcat, he wouldn't tell me. But what would the Bobcat have to do with the timeline? He he the one of the employees told me that he was supposed to bring that to Broomfield for that job site, but they never had it when they got there. It was not there. as I'm calling them, said they're getting texts at 4 a.m. from Barry Morphew saying he is on the road heading to Broomfield and he's trying to get a team gathered to go build a retainer wall. That's contrary to him telling Lauren Scharf he left his wife at 5 a.m. alive and well asleep, soundly asleep. The co-workers are saying he was texting from the road to Broomfield at 5 a.m. alive and well asleep, soundly asleep. The co-workers are saying he was texting from the road to Broomfield at 4 a.m.

Chris? Yeah, no, that's a good point, Nancy. And I think, again, it goes towards that confusion where he's trying to cross over and dovetail into everything. But what we have from Barry himself, like Mike said, was at 0500, you know, in the morning, he leaves Suzanne in bed. We have from one of the workers that was reported to Warren that she believes she hears his truck outside of her apartment. She says, I know it's Barry's truck. I don't look out, but I know it's his. So that's kind of, you know, a little speculation in her relationship to, you know, her testimony.

So that's kind of nailed down the timeline. And Andy believes that it went a little bit further. I don't have that information as to how, you know, he came up with 4 a.m. texting, but we do know there was a 4 a.m. We're getting that from one of the coworkers. They're the ones saying Morphew's texting them 4 a.m., calling them, trying to get a team together to go build a tainter wall. That's their saying that, and certainly local police can look at their cell phones

and get their cell phone records and find that out. Did they have an incoming call at 4 a.m., which would belie the statement he was still at home at 5 a.m.? But, you know, you just mentioned so, so many things that are unusual to me. Let's take a listen now to Andy Mormon speaking to Dr. Phil. This is our Cut 34. What do you think happened to her and why? Let me just say this. She's hidden too well, Phil.

Her bicycle was planted there. She was never on it. I think she was abducted and in this case murdered. Abducted, taken to a second location and then ultimately murdered? Yeah. I don't think she was taken to a second location, and then ultimately murdered? Yeah. I don't think she was taken to a second location. I think it happened at home. So you think she was murdered and then the body was taken to a second location?

Correct. And you think her husband is the one that did this? Well, based on behaviors and things that have happened, yeah, I do, actually. And I pray it's not. You certainly hope it's not, and I understand that you can't say that it is, but you've just been suspicious of that for quite some time, correct? I have, yeah. Let me understand something.

Mike King, 40 years law enforcement, profilingevil.com, along with Chris McDonough, profilingevil.com, along with Chris McDonough, profilingevil.com. If someone got on national TV and said I committed a crime, I would sue them immediately. Immediately. I mean, of course, unless it was true, then I would hide. Okay. So has there been any fallout from the brother going on Dr. Phil, for Pete's sake, and saying he thinks his brother-in-law committed murder? Has there been a lawsuit or any cease and desist letters that we know of?

I don't know of anything, Nancy. I mean, Andy would have to answer that question. Okay, let me ask you a question about Chris McDonough just said, Mike King, that the female co-worker said she recognized Barry Morphew's truck. Now, when my husband comes in the door, I know it's him. He opens the door, closes it, Then there's a really long pause. I don't know what he's doing in the laundry room, not the laundry, but then I hear a certain gate coming down the hall. I know that's David. Okay. Different if it's John David, the door slams. Next thing you know, running. With Lucy, you don't hear anything.

She's like a ghost. You don't even hear the door. Suddenly she's just there. Okay. So how does the coworker know the sound of Barry Morphew's truck? I'm curious. Is this the same female coworker that has taken to the media and said, we're not having an affair? You know, that's really interesting. And I think about you as a prosecutor and the other prosecutor

on the show with us today. There are cases where we use that kind of evidence as parts of that circumstantial evidence to prove a point. Sometimes it smells, sometimes it sounds. In this case, the individual indicated that it was a very specific sound that this vehicle has. She's been in the vehicle many times. She understands the sounds. When she heard it, there was no question in her mind. And so you've got to kind of weigh it pretty heavily. Or maybe it's because, hello, she works with him.

They have a construction company going, and she's in that truck all the time. It reminds me, I'm sure none of you remember the Aristocats where one of the investigator dogs can hold his ear up and he can tell what kind of car, what model, what make, and there's flat, low air in one tire. I mean, when you hear something so many times, you recognize it. I want to remind everyone that this is a search for the truth, not railroading anybody. Morphew says he's innocent. That's what he says. And he has not been named a suspect and he has not been arrested. So what happened to Suzanne Morphew? Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.