Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Casey Anthony’s parents: What they really think about Tot Mom

Episode Date: April 13, 2017

George and Cindy Anthony have suffered through unbearable torture as the parents of Casey Anthony. They give their most revealing interview yet about their thoughts on their daughter in “Casey Anthony: An American Murder Mystery.” Nancy Grace and Alan Duke discuss what they say in the Investigation Discovery’s series in this episode. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. State of Florida versus Casey Marie Anthony. As to the charge of first degree murder, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. Somewhere out there, the devil is dancing tonight. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Anthony's finally reveal what they think really happened to Kaylee. I don't believe that she drowned in this pool. I don't believe it. That bunch of crap. I believe that Casey gave her something. Kaylee didn't wake up. I have to forgive her because if I don't forgive her,

then I'm not going to be able to live with myself. Am I ever going to speak to my daughter again? We're done. Right now, this is the most agitated and frustrated that I've been even when I've sat with Jose and I watched that episode of Nancy Grace. Well, it never ends with top mom Casey Anthony. She's back in the news after some allegedly never before seen sound from top mom Casey Anthony behind bars. And also, we hear more from George and Cindy Anthony, her parents. Haven't they suffered enough?

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I don't believe that she drowned in this pool. I don't believe that. That's a bunch of bull to me. That's too easy of a story to bring up because if that were to happen, I think my daughter would at least have the common decency or common sense inside to call 911 and say something. My daughter's in the pool. I can't fit her. She's whatever. That's a bunch of crap. So what George Anthony is saying here is he doesn't believe his daughter, Casey Anthony, drowned the baby in the pool or that Kelly died in the pool by accident, or he believes Tottenham

would have had the, quote, decency to call police. Okay, first of all, she did not have the decency to call police because she killed the baby but think about George's position to believe this could have been an accident may be the only way he can process this that she had an accident with the baby and then covered it up because he wants to believe their own child could commit murder but the reality is the evidence does not jive with the theory of a death in the pool. Maybe they had been swimming in the pool, but there is chloroform in Totmom's trunk. There are searches about how to make chloroform on the computer. The lies by Totmom for 30 plus days, Not telling anyone her child was missing.

And in fact, overtly lying, partying, getting a tattoo that says the sweet life. I mean, it just goes on and on. Slung up with her boyfriend. She wasn't worried about what happened to the child at all. And none of that jives with an accidental pool drowning. What do you think about that claim by George Anthony, Alan? He doesn't believe she drowned in the pool, but he says he does now, after all of this time, have a theory about how his granddaughter died. Kaylee was with Casey.

I believe that Casey gave her something. Kaylee didn't wake up okay so alan that theory is not beyond the realm of possibility that she would go out and party and drug the baby and put her in the trunk to make her go to sleep so she could appear to be a single woman to all of her let me just say euphemistically suit suitors. That's possible, but then enter the evidence, the evidence of duct tape on the skull. You don't drug the child to make her sleep, let's just say with an overdose of Benadryl, plus put duct tape over the mouth and or the nose. Alan? Well, George Anthony, in this new interview, starts talking specifically about drugs that Casey Anthony's friends use. And one of those friends also is interviewed,

and he talks about how when there were references when Casey would refer to her nanny as Zanny. He reminded viewers that the nickname for Xanax is Zanny. Zanny the Nanny. But then, of course, there's also the made-up nanny, the big lie about Zenaida Gonzalez, which is Zanny. So, okay, let's hear that from the friend. Let's hear it, Alan. A lot of people know Zanny is the slang term for Xanax. So as soon as I heard that Xanny the nanny, that was what popped into my mind. I thought that she

was using Xanax to babysit her child. So that's one allusion toward Xanax, but even so, Xanax, chloroform, Benadryl, it doesn't matter. When you drug your child and put them in the trunk so your lover doesn't realize you're saddled with a child and put duct tape over the child's mouth and leave her in the trunk, that's murder. I mean, even if, even if she drugged the child in order to be a swinging single, and the child died. That's still felony murder. Child abuse by drugging the child, putting him in the trunk. Forget about the duct tape, but drugging a child and putting it in the trunk.

That's child abuse, and a death occurred. That's a death that occurred during the commission of a felony. What do you think, Alan? The idea of the drugging, the reason that George is coming to that conclusion now, he's thinking back to how Kaylee looked and how she, in those last few weeks or months, she was sleeping long periods of time. He said she would sleep for 12 hours. She was lacking energy. Her eyes were getting dark. And that is one of the things that led him to believe that she was using Xanax or other drugs as the nanny.

All right, Alan, that's a really good point. Let's listen. Let's hear George discuss that. Haley was always a very healthy child, very healthy girl. But to know at times that she would sleep for 10, 12, 13 hours at a time. Makes no sense to me. When I'd see her from one day to the next, it was totally different. You can see a difference with blackness underneath her eyes and stuff like that. A two-and-a-half or almost three-year-old child would not have that unless something's going on. Also, in my mind, Alan, the repeated use of drugs to knock a child out as basically a babysitter is child abuse.

I mean, just plain and simple. What was really startling about the interview was the differences between George and Cindy, but yet they are still together. First off, George says basically his daughter is no longer his daughter. She is history. Let's listen to that. Am I ever gonna speak to my daughter again? We're done. Because when all this stuff happened, I lost my daughter and my granddaughter. I lost them folks. I would like to believe it really is the end, that they really are cutting things off forever with Top mom because, not that I want to see a fractured family, but because, I mean, when you don't know a horse, look at her track

record. She's just going to get back in touch with them, use them, mistreat them, and then do some horrible thing. And how do you get past your daughter lying that you molested her? They're good people, all right? They are good people, and they've been through H-E-double-L. And I don't want to see that happen to them anymore. So, okay, what does Cindy say, Alan? It's completely the opposite. She says she still hopes to have a relationship with Casey, and in fact, occasionally talks to her.

Let's listen. We talk from time to time. I speak to her on the phone. I think it's a slow process but I feel that we're reconnecting. I have to forgive her because if I don't forgive her then I'm not going to be able to live with myself. Wow you know that shows, a mother's love really has no bounds because it's incredible to me that they could go through what they went through at trial and still, still want to have a relationship with her. It's just such a dichotomy to see Cindy's love for top mom, Casey, and top mom's lack of love for Kelly. You know, it's just heartbreaking to me. One of the more startling revelations to me was with George and Cindy describing how they can stay together as a married couple, husband and wife so close, yet 180 degrees separated on this issue. One defending the daughter and one basically condemning her.

I refuse to let it break us up. I mean, sure, we've had our moments, but I don't think her and I could really be hurt much anymore because of what we've seen taken. God, what's been thrown at us. I don't think there's too much more that could really hurt us. I don't think I can find anybody else that would understand my day-to-day ups and downs and what we go through other than him. That is powerful. You know, there's something about being in a family. You really are a team, for better or for worse.

And who else could they share their thoughts with and what they've been through other than each other, you know, after all they've been through. I guess Cindy still loves Top Mom. I mean, I still say that Cindy risked perjury taking the stand and claiming those searches were hers. She still maintains that those damning computer searches were hers, right? Yes. In fact, would you like to hear it?

Love to. Roll it. I was searching for stuff that had pertained to our bamboo because one of the dogs was getting ill after I noticed after eating the bamboo leaves that was in our yard. So I wanted to make sure there was no toxicity or anything I needed to be concerned with. And I searched chlorophyll, but I remember chloroform coming up during that search. I still don't think Cindy did those searches. I think that they occurred at a time when she was allegedly at work, number one. It was, to my understanding, on Top Mom's account that she was logged in at that time. Her story is that she was worried the dog would eat bamboo and that instead of writing chlorophyll, which is, you know, a natural process

of photosynthesis, water plus sun creates chlorophyll which makes things green trying to figure out how to make what homemade chlorophyll i mean that doesn't even make any sense and then the scientists find chloroform traces in tot mom's trunk my that's certainly a coincidence, but you know what? I've got to give it to Cindy Anthony. She's going down, sticking with her story and defending top mom. I mean, she is. That's the case. And I admire George for sticking with Cindy. This couple is, if they can live through this and still hold hands. They were interviewed separately and together, still be together after all of this and all of the differences. I mean, that is a love story

right there. Such a contrast. You know, I just hate it. I thought I had suffered so much when my fiance was murdered before our wedding. But now that I have children, I cannot even imagine. They treated Kelly as their own daughter. They wanted to adopt her. In fact, Cindy and Top Mom argued vehemently and a lot, often, over how to raise Kelly. Cindy wanted to raise her. Top Mom, I think, really would rather see her dead than have her mother raise her. Just the wake of pain Top Mom has left behind her. I pray to God that Cindy and George can go on and have a happy life

and be reunited with Kelly in heaven. I just hate what they've been through here on earth. I still think Cindy Anthony is covering for Top Mom and she was ready to go to jail for perjury and that proves her love for Casey Anthony Top Mom. Okay guys, this is one of those cases where in my mind the jury had it completely wrong. It was a miscarriage of justice, but you know know, I'm not the ultimate judge, and we know who is. Alan, thank you so much for going through all this with me and rehashing something that I'm still intrigued by and fascinated by. I guess it's more unsettling than anything else when I think of little Kelly.

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