Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - CELEBS NIGHTMARE: ‘KETAMINE QUEEN’ MAKING DEAL?

Episode Date: August 23, 2025

Prosecutors have already implicated Jasveen Sangha, known as the "Ketamine Queen," who sold the drug involved in Matthew Perry's death, and now her guilty plea proves her involvement.  She is also connected to other customer deaths, and prosecutors believe there are likely more victims given the volume of drugs Sangha sold. Sangha remains in custody without bond in connection with Perry's death. Drug dealer Eric Fleming, who reportedly served as a program director at the Bel-Air rehab Red Door, also had a resident die of an overdose while under his watch. Additionally, Brooke Mueller’s close connections to suspects Fleming and Sangha have emerged. Mueller spent time with Sangha during one of her rehab stints, and Fleming is reportedly a godfather to one of Mueller’s children. Mueller is said to have pressured her then-boyfriend William Cooney to join Fleming’s rehab program, where Cooney overdosed and died. Mueller may have introduced Fleming and Sangha to Perry as a means to facilitate his addiction. Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating with the investigation and is not facing any charges. Court documents reveal the close ties between Sangha, Fleming, and assistant Kenneth Iwamasa. Iwamasa told Fleming he "cleaned up the scene" by disposing of ketamine vials and syringes and "deleted everything." Fleming then informed Sangha that he believed they were protected since he never dealt with Perry directly, only through Iwamasa, who would be considered Perry's "enabler." In their communications, Sangha and Fleming refer to Perry using the code name "Chandler." Sangha's sentencing is still ahead.      Joining Nancy Grace Today: Rowena Chiu - Activist and Former Assistant to Harvey Weinstein;  New York Times Guest Essay Author: “I Was A Celebrity Assistant. The Power Imbalance Is Very Real.”  Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst; Instagram & TikTok: @drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive, Appearing in the latest season of “Paris in Love” on Peacock – BOOK: “Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away”, Xr:@DrBethanyLive  Mike McCormick – Owner and Lead Investigator of M.C.M. Investigations (Los Angeles); Former LAPD Detective for over 25 years (worked Gangs for 5 years); Facebook: MCM Investigations Dr.Todd Barr - Board-Certified Anatomic/Clinical/Forensic Pathologist, Testified in Shawn Grate serial killer case; Featured in "Thin Places: Essays From In Between" by Jordan Kisner  Kayla Brantley  –  Reporter-At-Large for DailyMail.com, X: @_KaylaBrantley, Instagram: @KaylaBrantley See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Bombshell tonight, the so-called ketamine queen, a jet setter out of L.A., accused of selling Friends superstar Matthew Perry, a fatal dose of ketamine that killed him. Now guilty. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you. for being with us. This, after the so-called ketamine queen, denies she even knew Matthew Perry.

What a liar. In the last hours, we learned Javine Sanghaj is the only one left standing after the death of beloved friend star Matthew Perry. For other defendants have reached guilty plea agreements with the prosecutors. And I don't like any of them. They're much too lenient. can't. But ketamine queen, guilty. Listen. In a stunning admission that rips the mask off a Hollywood drug ring, Jasveen Sengha, the notorious ketamine queen, has confessed to peddling the lethal dose of the drug that killed the beloved friend's icon. The bombshell guilty plea filed in federal court on Monday, August 18th, marks the final and most damning chapter in the legal fallout.

from the star's untimely demise, sparing Sengha a trial. Known to millions for his role as Chandler Bing on the hit NBC sitcom Friends, Perry had long struggled with addiction. The 54-year-old was discovered lifeless in the hot tub of his Pacific Palisades home on October 28, 23, leaving a gaping void in the hearts of millions of fans. The medical examiner ruled that ketamine typically used as a surgical anesthetic was the primary cause of death. While the star had a legal prescription for the drug to treat his depression, he turned to the shadows when his supply ran low. Prosecutors charged that Sengha fueled his addiction, meeting him just four days before his death to sell him 25 vials of ketamine for $6,000 cash.

Here's U.S. Attorney Martin Estrada at a previous news conference. We charged five defendants in this matter. These defendants took advantage of Mr. Perry's addiction issues to enrich themselves. They knew what they were doing was wrong. They knew what they were doing was risking great danger to Mr. Perry, but they did it anyways. Sengha 42 is facing up to 45 years behind bars for her part in the Star's death. She pleaded guilty to a slew of charges, including conspiracy to distribute ketamine, maintaining a drug-involved premises, possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine and ketamine,

and five counts of ketamine distribution with one charge directly tied to Perry's death. She has been behind bars since her arrest in August 2024, a culmination of an intensive federal investigation that unraveled a. sophisticated network preying on Hollywood's vulnerable elite. Her plea hearing and sentencing are set to take place in the coming weeks. The drug ring exploited Perry's struggles with addiction with Sengha and Dr. Salvador Placencia at its core. Sengha became the fifth and final defendant to strike a plea agreement with federal prosecutors. Placencia had already pleaded guilty to ketamine distribution in June and other key players, including Perry's assistant,

Kenneth Iwamasa, friend Eric Fleming, and Dr. Mark Chavez took their own plea deals to cooperate against Sengha. Text messages cited in court documents painted a picture of Sengha's illicit operation with Fleming gushing to Iwamasa that her ketamine was quote-unquote amazing and tailored for, quote, high end and celebs. On the day of Perry's death, Sengha allegedly told Fleming to delete their text messages. a calculated move to cover her tracks. A March 2024 raid on Sengha's North Hollywood home unearthed a massive stash of ketamine,

methamphetamine, and other illicit drugs, solidifying her role as a major dealer. With Sengha's plea, the case takes a definitive turn toward closure, though none of the five defendants have yet been sentenced for their crimes. Here are a few facts that could jog your recollection. The so-called ketamine queen, who sells friends star Matthew Perry, that deadly dose of ketamine, making a deal? In exchange for what? Did the drug dealer dub the ketamine queen refer to Matthew Perry by his friend's character name?

And that would be his affinity, Matthew Perry's affinity with Batman, and he would call himself. Mattman, but according to sources, the so-called ketamine queen, Jasveen Sanger referred to him as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would talk about drugs and drug deliveries. Codename Chandler, wow, that was a toughie with me an all-star panel, but let's just go back to reality. Listen. Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an unscrupulous doctor aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues. Dr. Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's live-in assistant Kenneth Iwamasa how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both Perry and Iwamasa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs become too

expensive, Perry and Iwamasa turned to street dealers, including Jasveen Songha, dubbed the ketamine queen. What? A very dear and intimate friend of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is the cause of death. Why? And what would be the cause of death? And what leads her to say that? This is what the medical examiner has to say. The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that 54-year-old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.

Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an act. joining us an all-star panel to make sense of what we're learning right now. But with me, a special guest, Rowena Chu, activist, and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His name tastes like dirt in my mouth, convicted on multiple rapes. And she has just written a New York Times guest essay. I was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real. Rowena Chu, thank you for being with us.

I enjoyed your article. I read it several times over. And I try to compare what you're saying and your situation with Harvey Weinstein, may he rot in hell, to Matthew Perry's assistant. Number one, Matthew Perry was not a criminal. I was not a rapist, number one. But you point out assistants often do things that are. let me just say legally and ethically questionable. In your case, what does that mean?

In my case, I worked for Harvey for only a couple of months, and so I didn't have the opportunity to do things that were ethically and legally immoral. But I was making the points that the power imbalance is so huge that assistants don't get the chance to say no. You also pointed out a quote that can assistance that may do illegal acts or unethical acts to the guards at Auschwitz, that they knew what was happening was wrong. And you make a very subtle yet important distinction. Explain.

The comparison was really with ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not you can hold them accountable for the event. happened in the country. So I'm really making a point about bystanders that don't have any real power themselves. And they are essentially invisible or they don't have an identity of their own and they don't have the autonomy to make decisions. And so I feel that celebrity assistants, I also called them butlers. I constantly felt that I was invisible. I had no autonomy. I frequently didn't really have a name of my own. I would call people up and say, I'm calling from Harvey Weinstein's office. wouldn't mention my own name because I was that insignificant. So when you're in a power balance where you're that insignificant, I think it is incredibly difficult to be then thrust into the

spotlight and held responsible for something as serious as somebody's death. I think that I am attempting to shed light on the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have had absolutely zero choice in a way that the ordinary person can't understand. He was a living assistant. The power imbalance would been enormous. At the end of your article, I noted that you stated it is often too easy to turn the butler into the scapegoat. Do you believe that Matthew Perry's assistant who injected him with that deadly dose is a scapegoat? I think he may have been put in an incredibly difficult situation. Not only was his employment on the line, but likely his involvement in the industry as a whole. It could have been that he did not have another residence. And so as a living

assistant, you know, really there's a power bank dynamic on many different levels. I also think in the Weinstein case, at least, that there were many circles of power, enablement and entitlement that were far more deserving of perhaps the legal system going after them than assistance. You know, for example, Harvey Weinstein had accountants and board members that certainly knew of what was happening. So I think the assistants, I'm merely making the point that the assistants, I suppose, are the lowest rung on the ladder. And I think to hold them accountable and responsible for the actions taken by a celebrity, it doesn't take into account the enormous power difference between a celebrity and his assistant.

Rowena Chu is joining us, an activist, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, who has just written a guest essay for the Times titled, I was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real. Miss Chu, I deeply respect you and what you have to say and your viewpoint, and I highly, highly disagree with you. In your case or some other assistants, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants. comparing that to what Iro Mosa did in Perry's case, knowing that he had had seizures just 16 days where he was unable to move or speak after a ketamine injection, knowing that, I consider this much, much more serious. But I'll circle back to you, Ms. Chute, in just one moment. And again, I do appreciate what you're saying, but I find it very much. vastly, vastly different than the case of Matthew Perry's assistant. Speaking of the facts, let's go to Killa Brantley joining us, investigative reporter.

What I find very interesting right now is that it's all business as usual. Matthew Perry dies in the hot tub with a fatal overdose. The doctor is already back at work, taking patients. Like nothing happened, he had to put up like a $100,000 bond. Really? That's $10,000. in regular people talk. You put up 10%. He's gone. He's out. The so-called ketamine queen has not been sentenced. The assistant Kenneth Iwamasa has not been sentenced. Why? I think that

the feds, have you ever seen a cat with a little mouse just back and forth and back and forth until it bites its head off? I think that's what the feds are doing right now. They're playing, toying with the various defendants in order to get them to talk, to name other celebrity doctors and other pill mills headed by doctors in L.A. and other celebrities. I think that's what's happening. But to you, Killa Brantley Daily Mail, tell me the latest. We've got the doctor back to work. A lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors, including one that just got shot. in the last day, a celebrity doctor. He was assassinated in his parking lot

following all of the drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and what's being uncovered. Hamid Mirjoujee was shot in his parking lot. He was a celeb doctor focusing on addiction. We now have identified two potential victims, other victims of the ketamine queen, both dead. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The ketamine queen, one of the two biggest targets in the investigation of Matthew Perry's death,

along with the doctor, Dr. Salvador Placincia, who just played guilty to ketamine distribution. Oh, yeah, he got a light deal. Now, remember Matthew Perry's personal assistant, his friend, and another doctor also took guilty. please and are cooperating. You know what? That means they're going to rat her out. What more do do we know about the case against the so-called ketamine queen? You only die when you use needles. Matthew Perry's ex makes a shocking claim about his needle phobia, casting doubt on his ketamine death. Joining me, psychoanalyst to the stars, Dr. Bethany Marshall, author of deal breaker and you can also see her on peacock and find her a dr bethany marshall.com

dr bethany i want to circle back with you about this doctor this doctor knew very well that matthew perry had actually seized up in other words he could not speak or move for an extended period of time just 16 days before he died yet everything was business as you Well, listen. Details of Perry's last days in a federal indictment reveal it was very clear to Dr. Placentia that Perry's ketamine injections were causing a total loss of awareness. The indictment documents three separate occasions where Perry froze up after receiving the medication with Placentia commenting, let's not do that again. Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he was doing. In fact, on one occasion, he injected. Mr. Perry with ketamine, and he saw Mr. Perry freeze up, and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to Mr. Perry. Joining me, Todd Barr, Dr. Todd Barr, Board Certified Anatomic Clinical Forensic Pathologist.

I'm very curious. Oh, yes. He's also featured in thin places, essays, essays from in between. Doctor, thank you for being with us. I've been researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew Perry when he, quote, froze up. That's hardly a medical description. But I've learned that there was apparently a significant spike in his systolic blood pressure. What does that mean?

Hi, Nancy. Thank you. So a spike in his systolic blood pressure just means that he is having a hypertensive crisis. His blood pressure is elevated to a point. Okay, right there. Right there. What do you mean hypertensive crisis? That means his blood pressure is at a high level, such a high level that it could cause death. I mean, people die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure. Blood pressure is supposed to live in an average in a normal range. If you get too high, it's hypotensive. If you get too low, it's hypotensive. And either of those hyper or hypo can cause death.

So when he, quote, froze up, what does that indicate to you? Is that some sort of a stroke or a near stroke? What's a systolic spike in blood pressure? I would say the term froze up to me sounds more like a seizure-like activity. like a tonic, clonic seizure where the muscles contract and you get into this. Ketamine is actually known for its anti-convulsive properties. It's used to treat seizures, but in high doses, it can actually cause seizures. And as we know, by the reports that are out there, Mr. Perry was administered extremely high doses of this drug ketamine,

which is an anesthetic drug, he was actually found with the levels that were compatible with surgery and anesthesia that you would need for surgical procedures. It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting Michael Jackson with propofal and it took, you know, hell and high water to get Conrad Murray charged and convicted. But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient shockwaves through the Celebrity Doctor Network in Hollywood. And now Matthew Perry is dead. You know, it's Kayla Brantley is joining me, investigative reporter with the Daily Mail. Kayla, I understand that the doctor would provide the medication, the ketamine, along with the ketamine queen, for the assistant to make. at home ketamine injections. Now, I heard what Rowena Chu said that the power balance is way off, but shouldn't you know instinctively, especially after Perry was having seizures, just days before,

that you should not be injecting ketamine to Matthew Perry at home. I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail, along with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier. They all need to be in jail, and we need to know their sentences. So what's happening? Kiela, I don't understand what's the holdup. Right. Well, Nancy, I also want to break down exactly how much ketamine was distributed to Matthew Perry.

The doctors, Chavez, and Placencia distributed 20 vials of ketamine to Perry for $55,000 in cash. that's charging him $2,000 for a vial, and that vial cost Dr. Chavez just $12. So you can imagine how much money they were making off Perry, and that's the point that the prosecutors were making. Now, the Kedomene Konga, she sold about 50 vials of the drugs to Perry with Fleming, delivering the product that's Eric Fleming, the Hollywood producer, and they sold it to him for $11,000. So these people were making a lot of money off of Perry's addiction, and they used.

clearly knew, as you said, he was seizing up. And then you had the person who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant. They distributed approximately 20 vials of ketamine to Mr. Perry in exchange for $55,000 in cash. Defendant Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of Mr. Perry. He wrote in a text message in September 2023, quote, I wonder how much this moron will pay. He also stated in text messages that he wanted to be Mr. Perry's sole source of supply. He wrote in a text message that he wanted to be Mr. Perry's quote, go-to for drugs. Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two times in the same

week of his tragic death. Joining us, Rowena Chu, former assistant to Harvey White. who just wrote a New York Times guest essay, I was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real. You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named. Do you believe that in this case, the assistant is being scapegoated? Or do you believe he is rightfully being prosecuted as it relates to Matthew Perry's death? I do believe he's being scapegoated.

I mean, we just heard about how other players in this system are making insane amounts of money. And I ask you to think about what does the assistance stand to gain in that equation. What does the money have to do with it, Rowena? Would it make it okay if he was paid more money? Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were making and what did the assistant stand to gain. I believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't making staggering amounts of money. And so therefore, his incentive to do what he did, was very different from the doctors and the drug dealers.

He wasn't out there trying to get something for himself. He was merely trying to survive his job. There's a big difference in that. So you believe the difference in whether he should be held criminally culpable is whether he was getting paid for shooting Matthew Perry up to his death? I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him to push this agenda. And therefore, I don't believe that he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what he was told to do.

under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the assistant is not really this person who should be scapegoated, that there are layers of privilege and abuse of power that are far greater than that. And we can easily point to doctors and drug dealers who were making vast amounts of money and had a huge incentive to push this kind of an agenda.

Mike McCormick, joining me, lead investigator of MCM investigations in Hollywood, Mike McCormick, all respect to Rowena Chu, but I think that's complete BS. I don't agree at all. Everybody in Hollywood is making money off celebs. Celebs are making money off the studios. The studios are making money off us and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood.

It's like one blood sucker sucking on the next bloodsucker. It's just like ticks, you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, What do you make of what Rowena is saying that the assistant is the scapegoat? I think they should all be put in the same pot to boil and all be tried together as it relates to Perry's death. Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoated. I just think he was being more loyal, just doing what the boss wanted him to do. it had nothing to do with

money. It was job security and loyalty. Okay, hold on just a moment. Dr. Bethany Marshall, maybe I'm not articulating my point that well. The assistant lives in a mansion. He makes plenty of money. He rubs elbows with all of the stars.

He drives a beautiful luxury car. Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions. I don't see it. Nancy, I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants, sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the world and had to stand around serving Palomas to the family all day long, alcoholic beverages. And he became so

disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all day long. He was traumatized. He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do this anymore. And he left the job. So yes, these assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do things they don't want to do, but they do have agency in the world. And I think in particular, when you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty. That's lack of judgment that a 10-year-old knows not to do, right? We just know basically you don't kill somebody. If you administer a drug, they seize, you don't administer the drug again. I mean, I'm sorry, but they, this assistant could have gone and worked at a bar.

Would probably, I would prefer to scrub floors than to inject somebody with a substance that could kill them. It is just common sense. Of course there's a power of balance. Of course, there's a power imbalance in life for all of us. Exactly. You know, Kayla Brantley, I want to follow up on what Dr. Bethany is saying. and Kayla Brantley joining us from Daily Mail. Kelly, we understand that Matthew Perry's mansion is being renovated,

especially around the hot tub, the pool area where he died. It seems as if for Hollywood, including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual. There are no sentences on the people that have agreed to plead guilty. It just seems as if everyone's acting as though nothing happened. Matthew Perry is dead. These people, according to the feds, are responsible. Why aren't they behind bars, Keela?

And what, if anything, can you tell me about when these people are going to jail? And one other question. Apparently, one of Perry's intimate friends states that he, Perry, was deathly afraid of needles. And she is questioning the real COD. Killa, listen. One of Perry's former assistants and ex-girlfriend, Katie Edwards, says she does not believe Perry could have possibly been taking ketamine. Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying he wouldn't even consider a tattoo due to the phobia. Edwards was no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him he would die in an argument over his drug use.

Perry's response, quote, you only die when you use needles, and I would never, ever do that. Kayla Brantley, what about it? This person, an intimate friend of Perry's raising the specter of another COD cause of death. I understand that, Nancy, but it was Katie Edwards. She dated him back in 2006, worked as his assistant until, like, 2011. So while they were still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I understand that she said that he had a fear of this. But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it felt and how it was helping him. So I personally am not so sure of that theory. And you do have his assistant and everyone basically admitting to injecting him.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh, yeah. People think she's beautiful. She's glamorous. She posts all sorts of. really, really refined photos and videos on her social media. But the so-called ketamine queen, Jazivine Sangha, is nothing more but a dope dealer. The feds say there are likely more victims of the infamous ketamine queen.

Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike across Hollywood are quaking in their boots afraid that the so-called ketamine queen is going to rat them out in exchange for a sweetheart deal from the feds, the so-called ketamine queen, the one that supplied Matthew Perry with the deadly dose of ketamine that ended in his death. Are there other victims? Yes, listen. Jasvine Songha sells Cody McLeary several vials of ketamine. Later that same day, McLeary's family finds him dead. A family member tells Songha her ketamine caused McLeary's

overdose death and Songha Googles Can ketamine be listed as a cause of death? There are likely more victims. Eric Fleming who reportedly acted as a program director at the Bell Air Rehab Red Door also had a resident die on his watch. William Cooney, 36, was found

dead of a fentany overdose in his bathroom at the facility. So those are two alleged victims, two more victims of the ketamine queen. That makes three if those two victims are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking out against the ketamine queen. And is she talking? Is she making a deal with the feds to get a light sentence in exchange for ratting out other celebs and other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money to support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between the Kedamine Queen and the other alleged victims all dead.

Coming to light are Brooke Mueller's deep ties to suspects Fleming and Songha. Mueller spent time with Songhai in one of her many rehab stents and Fleming is reportedly a godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then boyfriend William Cooney to join her at Powell Fleming's rehab program where Cooney overdosed and died. Mueller may well have introduced Fleming and Songha to Perry as shortcuts to feed his addiction. Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating with the investigation and is not facing any charges. Let me understand. Calla Brantley joining us from DailyMill.com.

The so-called ketamine queen, Songha, meets up with who in rehab? Now, let me see. It's Brooke Mueller, who apparently was very close to Matthew Perry. Now, how does that connect into Songha, the dealer? Well, all roads are kind of leading. back to Jasmine Songha, the Ketamin Queen. She was a supplier of multiple people. And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller, who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were close friends. And then we have Eric Fleming, who was a director at the rehab center where this man, William Cooney, had passed away. So it's all a circular connection of going back to Songha. And Stunga has been on the radar for a while.

Back in March, 2024, the feds raided her house and they called it a drug emporium. They seized 79 bottles that some had tested positive for ketamine. So this is no surprise that Jazzyonga is involved in this Matthew Perry case now. Two more alleged victims of this woman living the high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry. Now, would he be her third victim? Why is it taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations ongoing now? This by far is not the first time.

A celebrity has died with enablers circling them like vultures. Listen. Now an emergency. Hi, how you doing? This is security from Beverly Hilton. Hi, what's going on? I need a paramedics, apparently. I got a 46-year-old female found in the bathroom.

that's all I've got right now, but they're requesting paramedics. Okay. Same now found the bathroom. What room is she in? I'm not sure she fell or if she was in the bathroom with the water. 4-6-4? 4-34, I'm sorry. That's room 4-34?

Yes. Okay, and it's not east-west or anything else? There's room 434? Yeah. Okay, and you don't know if she's conscious of breathing at all? Apparently she wasn't breathing, and she's 46-year-old. She was not breathing? Yeah.

In New Houston is surrounded by enablers. Ultimately, it costs her her life. Then there is John Belushi, one of the greatest comedians that ever lived. He was shot up with drugs at the Chateau Marmont, and his assistant did hard jail time after shooting him up. Bobby Christina, Whitney's daughter, OD. He goes on and on and on. Of course, Michael Jackson, Aaron Carter, Chris Farley, went to rehab 16 times.

His younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course, Prince died of a deadly opioid injection. It goes all the way back to Elvis. China. Amy Winehouse. Anna Nicole spiraled down a drug hole while everyone supported that and enabled her. Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on, and the enablers are never brought to justice.

Joining me an all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now, do you believe Kayla Brantley that this signals the beginning of a celebrity, a celebrity doctor crackdown? I think it's very possible, Nancy, especially now that we have people who are making clean deals. You could see them speak and tell, you know, their networks have. people and connections. And this could be the crackdown at the beginning of a bunch of doctors who are prescribing people deadly, deadly medications. We have from the pleas so far, people admitting, including his assistant, to covering up and cleaning up this scene by getting rid of syringes

and ketamine vials, that's according to the pre-agrement and telling each other to delete things. So we see an orchestrated system from these people who are trying to, you know, get away with clearly knowing that they did something wrong. To Todd Barr joining us, Dr. Barr, board certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist. Dr. Barr, what do you notice about the death certificate? So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert, I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim, the very definition of a homicide is death at the

hands of another, period, whether it's by omission or commission. In this case, commission, they brought in drugs, they injected them into Matthew Perry's body, they should be charged with a homicide, they should be charged with murder, straight up, everyone that's involved. Now, the second part of this is the official cause of death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine and then other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning now there are certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy if those are present then a drowning occurred so matthew perry's death is literally because of drowning but then there's a part b or or drowning due to the intoxicating effects of ketamine.

So he was so dissociative and anesthetized that he slipped under the water. If they're gonna list drowning as a contributing factor, then that means they had evidence that he drowned. So it should have been listed as a drowning number one due to the effects of ketamine and the manner of death should have been listed as homicide. So I have a very strong opinion

about the way this death certificate was worded. And I believe that sometimes when it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier. Now, I don't know if in LA, they have something going where they word these death certificates in a way, so people get off a little easier. But that's my take. To Rowena Chu joining us, former assistant Harvey Weinstein, now activist, who has just written a New York Times guest essay called, I was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real. Thought to you, Rowena. What do you make of it all? I think there are levels of power that we could go after, that are much more intense than that of the assistant.

I think the assistant being the lowest rung on the ladder probably is the last person that anyone should go after because he has very little autonomy. I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable. I'm saying that there are levels of power above him that should be accountable before he is. Sengha, no to all of our customers as the, quote, ketamine queen. Now, that's certainly something you don't want in your scrapbook. is charged with five counts of ketamine distribution, including one count of distribution that results in death, the death of Matthew Perry.

She pled guilty, and as P.S., friends reruns are on all the time. Everyone knows about Matthew Perry and his death, thanks to the ketamine queen and all of the enablers around Perry. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. This is an IHeart podcast.