Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - CHARGED: GLAM ‘KETAMINE QUEEN’ SELLS DEADLY DOSE TO FRIENDS MATTHEW PERRY?

Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Busted! The so-called glamorous ketamine queen, did she sell the deadly dose to beloved Friends star Matthew Perry. At this hour, federal indictments going down. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Two doctors, two drug dealers, and Perry's live-in assistant charged in the death of Friends star Matthew Perry. Prosecutors claim the defendants knew Perry

Starting point is 00:00:47 was struggling with his addiction, but were more concerned with making money than his well-being. The so-called ketamine queen, let me tell you something, lady. That Birkin bag and all those Gucci clothes you're wearing, that ain't gonna get you you out of this girl. Well, they don't have Birkin and they don't have Gucci behind bars. I hope you like the color

Starting point is 00:01:13 orange. Get used to it. This woman living in the lap of luxury on the backs of drug addicts and likely been doing it for years in her rarefied Hollywood environment to all the A-list celebs who are now quaking in their shoes that they're going to be found out next. You don't think they've got this woman's little black book? Oh yeah, they do. So who is the so-called ketamine queen and why is she living of the misery of others? You know, sometimes people kid themselves into thinking certain drugs are glamorous, you know, like cocaine or ecstasy designer drugs, ketamine. It's not glamorous. It ended Matthew Perry under the water, dead in a hot tub. After years of fighting addiction, lying about it, hiding it, paying tens of thousands of dollars to rehab. Only the best, the Betty Ford clinic, the this clinic, the that clinic, the this specialist covering it up from

Starting point is 00:02:33 the world so he could maintain his Hollywood image. He suffered and died. And this woman is sitting in her clawfoot tub with a Birkin bag on her foot woman. You know what? It's not glamorous. Let me just kick it off right now to Dr. William Maroney. Dr. Maroney, all on radio. Respond to the drowning. ******. Cross the circuit, guys.

Starting point is 00:03:08 23, 23, MS9. ******. Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an unscrupulous doctor aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues. Dr. Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's live-in assistant, Kenneth Iwamasa, how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both Perry and Iwamasa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs become too expensive, Perry and Iwamasa turn to street dealers, including Jasveen Songha, dubbed the Ketamine Queen. You know, to Dr. William Maroney joining me, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid treatment expert and author of American Narcan.

Starting point is 00:03:50 That would have saved the life of Prince and so many other stars and people from opioid overdose. Dr. Maroney, somehow it's the misconception is flourished as it did about Matthew Perry, that ketamine and other so-called designer drugs are glamorous. They're not. All of those abusers end up in one place, a cold slab in your office. Explain. Ketamine is never really meant to be self-administered and it's never really meant to be used in a family setting or an ambulatory setting. It's a hallucinogen. It causes sedation and three times he was given ketamine injections the day he died it's meant to be given once a month under supervision during therapy ketamine is a plan and this is so out of control okay you. You know what? I appreciate all of that. But what I asked you, doctor, my longtime colleague and friend, I asked you, is it glamorous?

Starting point is 00:05:15 Because that's the way it's portrayed. Hold on. If you can see your screen, can you show me the dealer, the glam ketamine queen? Because she makes it all look so good. Okay. I've seen that picture. Do you have another picture you can show me? Okay. There, that right there. How can you, it's hard to look at her and reconcile that that woman right there, according to prosecutors, according to the state, has heaped misery and suffering on so many people so she could line her pockets. Her, right there. Perry is dead, thanks to her, according to prosecutors, and all of his friends. And I don't mean that as

Starting point is 00:06:07 a play on words. You've got this longtime friend, live-in assistant, giving him the dope. That's what it is, dope, until he dies. Everybody knew he was struggling with addiction. Everybody knew that. Does this woman care? No. No drug dealer cares. What does it do to a person, Dr. Maroney? Well, at higher doses than needed, it sedates you. It drives your heart rate up. It can give you arrhythmias that make you susceptible to sudden death. And it prevents you from moving because it's an anesthetic nothing can change the classification it's called a dissociative anesthetic why would anybody take an anesthetic you

Starting point is 00:06:59 can't think you can't move and eventually you can't breathe so the whole problem is people think they can get away with it um these people are sold the idea that this is the answer at one point it could have been heroin it could have been cocaine could have been alcohol institute i mean and they say okay um when you need more give me a call after one shot eventually you need two hold on dr moroney because that's exactly what happened right here um i'm trying to drink in everything you're saying uh i'm just a trial lawyer you're the professional uh the toxicologist the pathologist and you've even written the book about use of opioids and drugs and how to save people's lives. To Dr. Bethany Marshall, Dr. Bethany Marshall, finally, somebody brings down the hammer on this drug operation.

Starting point is 00:07:58 And this is not, according to sources, the first person that has lost their lives to these very people. Listen, Dr. Bethany. The two lead defendants in this case are defendants Salvador Placencia and defendant Jasveen Sanya. Defendant Placencia was a medical doctor. He worked with another medical doctor, defendant Mark Chavez, to obtain ketamine. He then worked with Mr. Perry's live-in assistant, defendant Kenneth Iwamasa, to distribute that ketamine to Mr. Perry. Sonia and the broker, defendant Fleming, saw this as an opportunity to profit off of Mr. Perry. She sold approximately 50 vials of ketamine for approximately

Starting point is 00:08:47 $11,000 in cash. She worked with a broker, defendant Eric Fleming, and also the live-in assistant, defendant Iwamasa, to distribute this ketamine. A tangled web of dopers. You know, Dr. Bethany Marshall is joining us, a high-profile psychoanalyst, author of Deal Breaker. Dr. Bethany, I'm just thinking of all the drug lords and dopers that I have prosecuted, put behind bars over all the years. You know, this woman we're looking at, at. They're so glamorous and her high-end lifestyle. She had just traveled to Tokyo, Europe, all over the world. Bethany, did you grow up on a farm? You went with your parents all around the world as a missionary, correct? Yes. Grew up in Central West Africa, Congo. Okay. Then you've seen a tick, I assume. You know, a blood sucking chick.

Starting point is 00:09:45 Oh, absolutely. Yes. That's who she is. Every time I look at her, I see a tick. And they get bigger and fatter as they suck the blood of their victim. And that is what she was doing with Matthew Perry. And I guarantee you, he's not the first. You know, she was going out selling one more vial and one more vial to go out and buy one

Starting point is 00:10:08 more Hermes bag or Gucci pair of shoes. Or, you know, she was just really satisfying her own greed. And what makes me so sad, Nancy, is that people suffering from substance abuse disorders are extraordinarily vulnerable. Matthew Perry was vulnerable. He was chasing that next high. His brain was craving the addiction. He had a long history of substance abuse disorder. And by the way, so do about 15% of all Americans over the age of 12 have suffered from a substance abuse disorder in this past year.

Starting point is 00:10:42 Can you say that again? I thought I didn't hear you correctly. What? More than 15% of all Americans over the age of 12 have suffered from a substance abuse disorder in this past year. Of those Americans, only 6.7% of them ever receive treatment. Listen to this, everybody. Mike McCormick joining me, owner, lead investigator, MCM, M mother, C. Charlie, M mother, investigations, former LAPD over 25 years. Listen to this, Mike.

Starting point is 00:11:19 It is reported that the ketamine queen supplied 25 vials of ketamine four days to Perry, just four days before his death and boasted as she sold it to him as it being a high quality drug, adding it's unmarked, but it's unmarked but it's amazing now immediately after his death is reported she messaged her co-conspirators according to the state stating delete all our messages and then she goes off on a whirlwind tour I think it was Japan but flying off on a private jet. Delete all your messages. Destroy the evidence. She knew. She knew Mike McCormick. And there's no way in H-E-L-L that there's not a string of other Hollywood celebs that are her clients. It's true. There's going to be probably a lot more suspects brought into this death of Matthew Perry as time goes by.

Starting point is 00:12:33 I don't think it's limited to just the amount of people that have been in the news in the last few days. I think there's going to be more. I think the assistant, Kenneth, definitely didn't do his job. He should have brought in the family members and made them aware of what the extent of the problem is and may have been able to actually save Matthew from this situation, from dying of an overdose. You know, but instead of trying to save him, Mike, everyone enabled him with friends like those. I mean, listen. Perry turned to a street dealer, Eric Fleming, who sourced his ketamine from a drug trafficker known as the Ketamine Queen, Jasveen Sangha. The ketamine supplied by Sangha would ultimately be the dose that took Matthew Perry's life.

Starting point is 00:13:34 Sangha knew that the ketamine she supplied could be deadly. Despite this knowledge, she continued to sell ketamine and methamphetamine throughout Los Angeles. Now joining me, high profile lawyer, former federal prosecutor Nima Rahmani, president, West Coast trial lawyers, author of Harvard to hashtag Nima. It was slow in coming, but finally the feds hand down a major indictment. I'm happy they did it. But do you think if they had acted earlier, Perry's life could have been saved and probably the lives of many others? Well, probably, Nancy. Let's not forget that Sangha was responsible for another drug-related death in 2019, Cody McKellen. And it was ketamine that she provided that killed them that same day. And the political reality is that they spent a lot more time investigating this case because of who the victim was. You have a celebrity victim, obviously got a lot of attention.

Starting point is 00:14:36 And that's why you had federal resources as well as local resources, LAPD, put on this case to bring, hopefully, the perpetrators to justice. They distributed approximately 20 vials of ketamine to Mr. Perry in exchange for $55,000 in cash. Defendant Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of Mr. Perry. He wrote in a text message in September 2023, quote, I wonder how much this moron will pay. He also stated in text messages that he wanted to be Mr. Perry's sole source of supply. He wrote in a text message that he wanted to be Mr. Perry's, quote, go-to for drugs. I wonder how much this moron will pay. Let's find out. Text messages reveal the motivation of those charged in Matthew Perry's death. Joining us right now, Lauren Conlon,

Starting point is 00:15:43 investigative reporter and star of Crime Time on YouTube. Lauren Conlon, thank you for being with us. So who, while they're literally killing him like a tick, just sucking his blood, taking his money, as they know his condition is, quote, spiraling out of control, they say that in their communications. Not me. Their words, not mine. They actually call him a moron. Matthew Perry, who was a child tennis prodigy who goes to L.A. and lands on his feet, ending up with the role of a lifetime on Friends. That moron?

Starting point is 00:16:26 Who said that, Lauren Conlon? Yes, this is Dr. Salvatore Plasencia who said this. And Nancy, let's not forget that 16 days before Matthew Perry's death, Salvatore Plasencia shot up Matthew Perry with a very large dose of ketamine, which caused Matthew Perry to freeze up. And Dr. Plasencia said to Kenneth Iwamasa, hmm, we better not do that again. Well, we know that that was not the case. And just very quickly, Nancy, going back to Jasmeen Sangha, as Nima said, she was found to be responsible for the 2019 death of a 33-year-old young man, Cody McClory, in L.A. And also, Matthew Perry was said to have met her in rehab along with Brooke Mueller.

Starting point is 00:17:16 Guys, speaking of Matthew Perry, quote, freezing up, listen. Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he was doing. In fact, on one occasion he injected Mr. Perry with ketamine and he saw Mr. Perry freeze up and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to Mr. Perry. Of course, defendant Iwamasa had no medical training to speak of. Dr. William Maroney joining me, renowned toxicologist and pathologist, author of American Narcan, who has devoted his career to fighting opioid and substance abuse. Dr. Maroney, I've heard it stated in several publications and several points of evidence that they had observed or knew of Matthew Perry, quote, freezing up.

Starting point is 00:18:14 I'm not sure what that means, but it didn't stop them from giving him nearly 30 vials of ketamine just before his death. What it actually comes down to is ketamine is an anesthetic. So if you give too much, you don't just relax somebody, they do freeze up. You freeze somebody up at the side of their pool or in their kitchen, you don't have a crash cart. You don't have anything else. You just have to wait it out or possibly

Starting point is 00:18:45 call 9-1-1 they were lucky that they didn't kill him earlier but the end result is the same because of the disregard for life as they gave him more he became more dependent and then the final day when he died he got three injections this is a drug that's approved to get once a month from a psychiatrist. And they were giving it daily, which is more dangerous than anything. Back to him freezing up. That is what? Going into a seizure?

Starting point is 00:19:19 What is that? Muscle stiffness and the early stages of anesthesia. Anesthesia. Making him fall asleep on purpose because that's how we use it when we take people to surgery. How exactly did the scheme work? Listen. Dr. Salvador Placentia obtains ketamine for Perry from Dr. Mark Chavez. Chavez writes a fraudulent prescription for an unwitting patient and lies to wholesale ketamine distributors to obtain both liquid and lozenge forms of ketamine

Starting point is 00:19:53 for Dr. Placentia, who in turn dispenses them to Perry on at least seven occasions, despite noting Perry's addiction is, quote, spiraling out of control. When Placentia is ordered to turn over Perry's medical records, the doctor falsifies and alters several reports to show a purported treatment plan for Perry. OK, back to Lauren Conlon joining us from Primetime Crime on YouTube. Lauren, so let me understand this. They state amongst themselves that his addiction is spiraling out of control. Their words, not mine. But they continue and they call it a treatment plan.

Starting point is 00:20:33 Why did they name it a treatment plan? Song Hye is just basically a dope dealer, just like a doper on the street a couple of blocks from the elementary school. She's no different. So what was the so-called treatment plan? This is absolutely absurd, Nancy. And let's not forget that Matthew Perry just started working with these doctors a month prior to his death. So this quote unquote treatment plan, it was all made up. They literally just did this for money. And it also was stated in the press conference that these doctors were selling him vials that they paid $12 for, for $2,000. with the LAPD and the DEA, that the three days before Matthew Perry's death, he was administering between six and eight doses of ketamine a day. And, you know, like Dr. Maroney said, the last day he was alive, he had three, but the days leading up to it, it was between six and eight

Starting point is 00:21:37 doses. And if the doctors prescribed that, oh boy, I would be shocked. Dr. Bethany, the price differential, you can get the same amount of ketamine on the street for 12 bucks and he's paying $2,000 for one vial. Dr. Bethany, speaking of blood sucking ticks, not only do they aid him, enable him to his own death, but they make fun of him, overcharging him, gouging him. But then they call him names and make fun of how much he will pay in their texts. Nancy, they had disregard and disdain for them. But who are the morons? They killed their cash cow in one month, and now they're going to spend years behind bars. So I think what really upsets me

Starting point is 00:22:27 about the situation, I'm thinking about a very wealthy patient in my Beverly Hills practice, struggling with addiction, and everybody tried to provide drugs for him. I would get him into rehab, then all of a sudden the house manager would come in and just leave drugs around the house. He would get rid of the house manager, then he would get a new girlfriend who then would addict and hook him again. So he would take her shopping for jewelry. I mean, he was a mark sitting out there in society because of his substance abuse. So people who have these horrible addictions like Matthew Perry, the people around them are blood sucking ticks. They tend to attract a whole network of people who just see dollar signs all over the place and they do not care about the patient.

Starting point is 00:23:13 Did you notice that picture of Dr. Placencia has UCLA healthcare on his lab jacket? UCLA on his lab coat. There it is, UCLA health system. So under the guise of being a medical expert, of caring, of the oath of do no harm, he is actually extracting money from somebody, worsening that person's addiction, knowing that that person's going to die. And so stupid and moronic, he thinks he's not going to get caught. One doctor notes Matthew Perry's addiction as spiraling out of control. Still, Perry has sold 20 vials of ketamine totaling $55,000. Finally, federal indictments go down. I'm thrilled about the indictments, but I wonder if they have been handed down against this, as I'm calling them, blood sucking ticks that lived off Matthew Perry and others.

Starting point is 00:24:17 If it had happened earlier, could his life and others have been saved? Right now, I'm just glad the charges occurred. Now, we're talking about other potential victims. Listen. Dr. Salvador Placentia's exorbitant prices push Matthew Perry to seek a new ketamine source. Assistant Kenneth Iwamasa reaches out to several street dealers. Eric Fleming agrees to a deal and turns to his supplier, Jasveen Songha, for ketamine from her North Hollywood stash house.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Fleming pays Songha from the drugs with cash from Iwamasa. Songha is well aware of the dangers of ketamine. One of her previous buyers, Cody McLaurie, died of an overdose on the drug four years earlier. We were just talking about a guy named Cody McLaurie. Also dead. Listen to this. Jasveen Sangha sells Cody McLaury several vials of ketamine. Later that same day, McLaury's family finds him dead. A family member tells Sangha her ketamine caused McLaury's overdose death and Sangha Googles, can ketamine be listed as a cause of death? Nevertheless, Sangha continues peddling ketamine and other drugs from her stash house.

Starting point is 00:25:27 You know, that's the thing. Dr. William Maroney, renowned toxicologist. Dr. Maroney, dopers don't care. The family goes to Senya and says, you did this to Cody. She's like, oh, OK. Google, Google, Google. Can, can I be listed as a COD? Not, oh, my stars. I'm never doing this again. It's had this horrible effect. Cody is dead. No, she just wants to find out. It's basically she going to be implicated in the death of Cody McClory. And then she jets off to Japan

Starting point is 00:26:07 with Birkin bags on both arms. I mean, really? Ketamine is listed as cause of death all across America. Fentanyl is listed as death, cause of death all across America. Methamphetamine, they're very, we're very specific about cause of death. We mention the chemical if it's a chemical, and we mention the medicine if it was prescribed and it was ethical. There are five manners of death, and his death is considered an accident because the CDC says drug overdoses are accidents. But we'll have to see if in a court, that's a different definition, that it was caused because somebody else did the injections. So there's a play between the two. Right.

Starting point is 00:27:00 Always ketamine will be listed as a cause of death. Always. Nima Romani, former federal prosecutor turned trial lawyer. Nima, why is it that all the so-called rich, glamorous people get sweetheart deals? Why is that? If there is a sweetheart deal on this blood-sucking tick, Songha i'm gonna do a backflip you've got cody mcclory that we know of and now matthew perry what are they gonna cut a deal with this woman i don't think so nancy like i said there's two drug-related deaths and it's not just the ketamine

Starting point is 00:27:39 we're talking about which is a schedule three and even it caused death, it has a 15-year max. It's that methamphetamine. There are very significant sentencing guidelines. So because of the meth, which is Schedule 2, she's looking at a potential life sentence. If the feds cut her a deal, it's only because she's going to identify her source. I don't think that was medical-grade ketamine. And obviously, we know in drug cases, prosecutors, they want to work their way up the chain. Ketamine is a huge problem in LA right now. Perry's live-in assistant admitted to repeatedly injecting the actor with ketamine without medical training and administered multiple injections the very day Perry died. One celeb after the next dead

Starting point is 00:28:37 from overdose, probably drugs given to them by friends. Listen to this. Now an emergency. Hi, how you doing this is security from beverly hilton hi what's going on i need a paramedic apparently i got a 46 year old female found in the bathroom that's all i've got right now but they're requesting paramedics okay so now found the bathroom what room is she in i'm not sure she fell or she was in the bathroom with the water four four six four four three four i'm sorry that's room four three four yes okay and it's not east west or anything else it's room four three four thirty four yeah okay you don't know she's Whitney Houston, that's a 911 call found in a Lux Hotel submerged in water. Why?

Starting point is 00:29:19 Because of drugs. And there's so many others. Amy Winehouse, a brilliant shooting star, dead. Of course, Anna Nicole Smith, all of her friends fed her drugs, drugs, drugs until the very end, leaving behind children. Chris Farley, the funny guy. Everybody loves Farley. People took advantage of him until he was dead. Heath Ledger, the joker, leaving behind a little girl. Of course, let's just start at the beginning with this guy. He had a fishing tackle box full of drugs. Who gave him that? Janice Joplin, what a star. O.D. And of course, no list is complete without him,

Starting point is 00:30:18 Belushi, the ultimate funny guy. Little Peep, let's don't forget him. Kurt Cobain, Nirvana, Leaving Behind, Francis Bean. And of course, one of the biggest stars ever, Michael Jackson. Like just a brilliant, burning talent, dead. And of course, my favorite prince. He could have lived if he had been given a Narcan injection. That didn't happen. Everyone stood by, lived off his money, and kept feeding him drugs. We were Phoenix, gone so young at the Viper Room.

Starting point is 00:31:07 Of course, Whitney, voice like an angel. Vern Troyer, you can't help but love this guy. Wrestler, China. It just, we don't even have enough time to go through all the celebrities that have lost their lives, not just because of drugs, but because of a tight little circle of so-called friends.

Starting point is 00:31:34 And back to Mike McCormick joining us, owner, lead investigator, MCM Investigations, former LAPD, over 25 years at MCMInvestigations.com. Mike, that's the way it is in Hollywood. And the beat goes on. The day after Matthew Perry's dead, everybody's getting their supplies from their friends. It just, it never ends. It never ends because of the suppliers and the people involved want the drugs. I don't know how you end it. You know, to Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us,

Starting point is 00:32:12 renowned psychoanalyst, you would think that after Cody McClory was killed, that the so-called ketamine queen would go, you know what, it's not worth it. How many more Birkin bags do I need? How many more private planes do I need to take to Japan or Europe? It's not worth my clients dying. It didn't stop her. Why? Nancy, she's homicidal. I mean, we really have to think about that. That one picture where she has the red lipstick, black t-shirt, straight hair. Do you know what it says, RIP, on her t-shirt,

Starting point is 00:32:46 rest in peace, with a picture of Kobe Bryant underneath? I mean, perhaps it's just, I don't know, a designer t-shirt right there. RIP, cross, guy with black glasses. I mean, it tells me that on some level, she really knew what she was doing. She's wearing her crime. She's wearing her intentions. She's wearing her intentions,

Starting point is 00:33:05 that watch, that beautiful top, that Hermes bag, you know, that is the blood of her clients, the blood of her clients, Nancy. I think it's easy to glamorize along with her that she has these beautiful outfits and the shoes and this, that, and the other. She has sucked this money, as so many people do with addicts, out of her client to their death. This even happens in the homeless population, Nancy, where family members will addict homeless people so that they can take their SSI checks. It happens from high to low, low to high, all over the place. According to Matthew Perry, he had been clean for 19 months, but the Daily Mail reports the actor died from an overdose of the party drug ketamine. According to the autopsy report, a detective who attended the scene of Perry's death said, quote, during my investigation, no alcohol, illicit drugs or drug paraphernalia were found, unquote.

Starting point is 00:34:04 The Daily Mail also claims the 54-year-old was getting injections of the male hormone testosterone, and an unnamed female associate claimed the injections were causing him to be angry and mean for the last couple of weeks. Dr. William Maroney, if you could put this in regular people talk, in a nutshell. I've read your autopsy reports. Like one sentence can be two paragraphs boil it down boil it down so matthew perry took the ketamine and then he what goes into a euphoric sedation state and his body can't fight back when he goes under the water? There's high dose and low dose. You start going into sedation and euphoria, but it doesn't stop as the dose builds up in you. That's where you go into frozen muscles. You can't breathe. Your body locks up because that's what it's really

Starting point is 00:34:59 meant to do as an anesthetic. It is a process. So a euphoric sedation and you, I wonder if he could feel himself going underwater and there was nothing he could do about it. Or look, there he is in the hot tub. To Nima Rahmani, high profile lawyer, listen to this. Songha was a quote, large volume drug dealer. And in the complaint, it's we find out that she would sell ketamine lollipops as an add on because his orders were so large. Now, after seizing her phone, police apparently found footage of her on her phone. That's pretty arrogant. Cooking up ketamine. She has videoed herself cooking up ketamine. And it just, you know, there's pictures she posts online, for instance, of her in a private jet having caviar and champagne.

Starting point is 00:36:07 And just before her arrest, she was sharing photos on Insta of her with her new purple hairdo. Just she could not have cared less. Well, the answer is she's on a stripper pole there with a money gun. But, you know, you're right. Ketamine is a big time party drug here in Hollywood, and it's not given with an IV at a party. So what is typically done is users or addicts, they cook it and they transform it into a white powdery substance like cocaine. So when you said folks are sniffing each other at these parties, they're sniffing cocaine and ketamine and not each other. Sometimes it's even put in nasal spray, but that's primarily

Starting point is 00:36:45 how it's used and abused in the party scene here. So the fact that Sangha is one of the world's dumbest criminals who's videotaping herself processing these types of drugs isn't surprising because I've seen criminal defendants do all sorts of stupid things. You know, it's kind of hard to take in her and her glamour lifestyle. And you juxtapose that against Matthew Perry feeling himself going underwater and he's so immobile he can't fight back. But Dr. Bethany Marshall on Insta, this woman posts herself enjoying caviar in a private jet lounge. Just after Perry dies, she's sipping lychee martinis at the Mandarin Oriental in Tokyo, each suite about $2,000 a night. A few weeks after that, she's sunning herself by a pool in Playa del Carmen in Mexico,

Starting point is 00:37:47 sharing selfies, drinking more cocktails. It goes on and on and on. When she finally touches back down in the U.S., she was lapping up the L.A. lifestyle, having IV drips and late night parties and, quote, sound healing sessions. Help me out, Dr. Bethany. Sounds very L.A. to me. You know, she was corrupted by greed and lack of concern for others. But, Nancy, we see this with Big Pharma. We see this with the Sackler family. Let's throw them on the trash heap of people who have become so greedy and their lives got so big and they earned billions

Starting point is 00:38:31 of dollars. And because of that, they did not care about the millions of Americans who died. These people who use drugs to have control over others, it's like they're stealing. It's like they're creeping through a window in another person's house, taking the diamonds out of the safe, going and just gloating over the diamonds that they've gotten. They don't care about the house. They don't care about the people in it. They don't care about the neurobiology of addiction. And they don't really care about the wave of devastation that goes outward in this person's life. Matthew Perry had many people who love him.

Starting point is 00:39:08 The public love him. We love him. We're talking about him today. But their children, nieces, nephews, parents, cousins, church members, people he was doing business with, it's widespread devastation that, you know, Sonia really didn't really care about that. She just wanted to leave G-Martini and that was it. Talk about, again, moronic. It really is moronic behavior. And we haven't even gotten to the doctor, the drug lord posing as a doctor in his UCLA health jacket and all the others involved in Matthew Perry's death. But this is where it leaves me.

Starting point is 00:39:44 Those people that are charged by the feds, finally, they're no different than dopers selling a $25 rock out on the street. No different. They just clean up better. Thank you to all of our guests being with us tonight,

Starting point is 00:40:01 highlighting the devastation of addiction. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - CHARGED: GLAM ‘KETAMINE QUEEN’ SELLS DEADLY DOSE TO FRIENDS MATTHEW PERRY?

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