Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Childhood Friends Found Dead in Anguilla Vacay Hotspot, Wives Clam Up

Episode Date: December 29, 2022

Casey MacPherson-Pomeroy and Caleb Guillory are childhood friends. Casey and his wife are living in Anguilla while Casey attends medical school. Caleb, his wife, and two other friends visit Anguilla to ring in 2019, but the new year brings tragedy.  Caleb and Casey die after ordering a drink at a beach bar. The island's coroner says the pair ingested a lethal dose of methylenedioxyamphetamine and cocaine. Neither man had a history of drug use.  Then came the shocking information on the death certificates: Caleb had suffered from asphyxia, strangulation and chest compression. Casey's cited seizure and cardiac and pulmonary distress. What's the truth?  Joining Nancy Grace Today: Debanee MacPherson-Udall - Casey MacPherson-Pomeroy’s Sister Facebook.com/JusticeforCaseyandCaleb Christopher Montgomery - Consultant and Agent to MacPherson-Pomeroy, Foundation Board Member; JusticeForCaseyandCaleb.tumblr.com Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist;Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark" Bobby Chacon - 27 years former FBI Agent; Instagram/Twitter: @BobbyChaconFBI; Writer and Co-producer: Audible Original Series, "After the Fall" Dr. Dennis C. Doherty - Medical Director, Right Relief Health and Robert W. Dail Memorial Treatment Center, Duke University Medical Center; Facebook.com/RightReliefHealth Devan M. Doherty - Clinical Coordinator and Alcohol & Drug Counselor at Right Relief Health, Data Analyst, ABJ Degree from the University of Georgia; Major in Public Relations & Minor in Sociology  Katie Streit - Multimedia Journalist, Spectrum News 13 (Orlando, FL) - Formerly with NBC5 KOBI-TV in Medford, OR); Twitter: @katiestreit, Instagram: @katieestreit  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Dead on vacation? You set off for a tropical paradise and never come home? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. Listen. When Debony McPherson Udall first heard her brother, Casey Pomeroy, died in a terrible accident in December of 2018, she couldn't shake the feeling something wasn't right. The medical professional that we had read the death certificate told us that it goes along

the lines of he was poisoned. Deboni says her sister-in-law told them two couples were visiting them on the island when they got back to the apartment. Pomeroy and his friend Caleb started having seizures. Started having seizures.

So how does that happen? Listen. She says her sister-in-law told them two couples were visiting them to ring in 2019 they were out to dinner they came home and my brother's friend passed out and began having seizures and then my brother began having seizures she says they called emergency services but it was already too late. The friend had passed away, and then my brother apparently passed away at the hospital. Joining me right now on All-Star Panel to make sense of what we know, but I first want to go to Debony McPherson-Udall.

This is Casey's sister, and you can find her online at Justice for Casey and Caleb. Debony, thank you for being with us. Thank you, Nancy. Debony, I agree with you. Something isn't right. And I remember these words, and I mocked them mercilessly at the time, when Dr. Henry Lee, who is a renowned forensic scientist, said in the O.J. Simpson case, something is wrong.

But you know what? Something is wrong. Tell me when you first got the news about what had happened to your brother. Well, we first got the news on New Year's Day, and it was from Barbara's sister. She came to my parents' house, along with her husband, and told us that there had been an accident in Anguilla and that Casey and his friend had passed away. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

They called you? They came to our house. But wait, where was your house? Barbara's sister lives in the same town as my parents. Which is where? Which is in Medford, Oregon. Wait a minute, didn't this happen in Anguilla? It did. So somehow the news had gotten to Barbara's sister and she's the one who came and told us. Debony, what went through your mind when you've got the sister telling you this? Could you believe it? Did you think there was a mistake? We were terrified.

We didn't know what to think. It was, we were wanting to make sure that everyone was safe and we didn't know what to think. What were you told happened to Casey? They didn't know. They just said that there had been an accident. We didn't know what had happened. Why was he in Anguilla to start with? He was in Anguilla to go to medical school.

And his wife, where did they meet? They met at a medical convention there in Fresno, California. Was she also a med student? No, she was a medical professional and Casey was a salesman. What is that? What is a medical professional like a physician's assistant, a nurse? What? She's a nurse practitioner with a schedule to endorsement okay and who is caleb caleb gillery is one of casey's childhood friends and why was he caleb in anguilla caleb and his wife traveled to anguilla to spend the holiday with Barbara and Casey. So let me understand. Caleb Guillory and his wife Carly went down to visit

your brother Casey and his wife Barbara. Yes, that is correct. Okay. Straight out to Katie Streit joining us. Multimedia journalist with Spectrum News 13 in Orlando. Katie, thank you for being with us.

You can find her on Insta at Katie Streit. Tell me about Anguilla. What is it? Where is it? How big is it? Well, it's an island in the Caribbean. And it's a pretty small island, actually. You know, very hot vacation spot.

And that that's that is kind of, you know, a very hot vacation spot. I'm just thinking about I mean, I know they've got very high end resorts. They're like four seasons. I know it's a British territory and it's got huge stretches of white sand beaches. It's a really big vacation spot and gorgeous. So we've got one, the brother Casey there in medical school and his friend Caleb comes to visit along with his wife. So that is what we know. And we know that somehow Casey is dead, but that's not all. When did you learn, Debony, that not only is your brother dead, but his best friend too? Well, we learned right away that both Casey and Caleb had passed away. We just didn't know how, and we didn't have any details at all.

Guys, how did it get up to this point? Take a listen to our friends at KOBI. The Eagle Point native moved to California in 2004 to work as an actor and producer. That's also where he met his wife Barbara. The two were married six years before trading in the Hollywood lights for a much quieter life thousands of miles away on the eastern Caribbean island of Anguilla. It was actually a surprise that he wanted to go to medical school. It really wasn't a dream of his but we were

excited for him. We were all excited for him because this was something spectacular that he was doing with his life. Something spectacular that he, Casey, is doing with his life, becoming a doctor. Listen. They were living in the district of Island Harbor, just a few miles away from the St. James School of Medicine, where Pomeroy was attending school. He loved it over there. It was beautiful. They were living in paradise. Four months later, tragedy struck. We were able to communicate with his wife, and she had told us that it was an accident.

Back to you, Debony McPherson Udall. What type of accident were you told that claimed the life of your brother Casey? We weren't told. We didn't know. We weren't told any details at that time. You know, joining me right now, 27 years as an FBI agent.

You can find him at bobbychacone.com. He is a writer of audibles after the fall. Bobby, thank you for being with us. Why is it, Bobby, whenever anyone dies on one of these islands, it's always shrouded in mystery? I mean, think about it. You've got Natalie Holloway. We don't know.

I know what happened to her, but I don't know exactly what happened to her. You've got Natalie Holloway. We don't know. I know what happened to her, but I don't know exactly what happened to her. You've got Robin Gardner. It just goes on and on and on. You've got George Smith. He falls off a cruise ship. Body never found. Just why is that, Bobby? You know, Nancy, I think it's because as popular as these places are for vacation spots and many people go and visit them. In the end, they are very insular.

They're a very closed society. There's a lot of corruption, both in the police department, in the courts, in politics. I think these are very, you know, everybody knows everybody else. And we've seen time and time again, people get away with murder and they literally get away with murder in these places because either corruption or uh you know uh bad police work or no police work uh and and these small island nations are sovereign nations sometimes they're protectorates of the uk or someplace like that but they kind of can operate on their own and and there's not a lot of reach that you know places like the u.s can have and

you know law enforcement from here can go there you know you and i have both seen that in these cases so i think they're it's they're very insular societies and and it's hard to for us to have any influence there very difficult to have any influence there um another thing bobby cone joining us former fbi agent is that their law enforcement is nothing compared everybody whines and carries on about the U.S. law enforcement. I don't get it. We've got the best police force, state, local, and federal in the world, in the world. In Great Britain, they come after you with a stick, okay? You're robbing a bank with a gun. They come for you with a stick, Okay, that's a whole other can of worms. But on these islands, their police forces are rudimentary. I mean, I'm really surprised they came up with what they thought was the cause of death

in this case. I mean, you tell them, hey, go get touched DNA. It's like, what? What's that? Yeah, Nancy, and you and I both know that forensic science has come such a long way, you know, in recent years, and it's being used in terrific ways to solve cases. But we also know that crime scenes need to be done quickly and right the first time, or you can lose evidence forever. And unfortunately, that happens in some of these cases where law enforcement is not very good or not even existent at all or there's corruption. And then you lose that vital, valuable evidence

from the crime scene that you could have obtained, you know, quickly. It's like Humpty Dumpty. You lose it. It's gone. You can never get it back once that crime, it's either gone with vacuuming or sweeping or whatever. You can never put Humpty Dumpty back together again. It's over. You can't reconstruct and get that forensic evidence. The call came on a New Year's Day to the families that Casey and his childhood friend, friends all these years, Caleb, on the Caribbean island of Anguilla, where both of the two men and their wives

were bringing in the holiday, were both dead. Miraculously, the wives lived. But leading up to it, how did these two guys really know each other? Listen. We've known Caleb since he was nine years old, so he was like our boy too.

Both men, their wives, and another Southern Oregon couple were having drinks when Caleb and Casey started having a seizure, or so the family was told. But both men's death certificates tell a different story. Seizures, death certificates. I mean, when you first got this news, Debany, this is Casey's sister, your head must have been reeling. Here they go into seizures and you're getting various conflicting accounts of what happened. I mean, hold on Deb, take a listen to our friends at WTVL. Ward says from that moment on, things continued to go downhill. And before they could get back to their condo, he fell out and went into cardiac arrest. Casey got sick himself, and he went into cardiac arrest. Ward says all four individuals who were there were arrested following the incident.

Okay, what were you told, Dabney, about the incident that claimed the life of your brother? We were told that they were poisoned from a beach bar. Poisoned from a beach bar. Joining us, Dr. Dennis Daugherty, Medical Director, Wright Relief Health, and the Robert W. Dale Memorial Treatment Center at Duke University. Dr. Daugherty, thank you for being with us. Thank you. What could have caused, I mean, they're at a bar, Dr. Daugherty, thank you for being with us. Thank you. What could have caused, I mean, they're at a bar, Dr. Daugherty, celebrating its New

Year's. The four of them are together, the two wives, the two husbands, and suddenly one of them goes into seizures the other Casey tries to perform CPR then he gets sick and they both die now that sounds like a lot more than a date rate

drug GBH yes absolutely I mean gamma hydroxy GHB gamma hydroxybutyrate would not kill you if it were being used as typically as at bars. So what could it have been? that it seems to be very good for someone even to quote overdose on alcohol or alcohol and any other substance. And you're absolutely right.

It would be improbable in that time. And any other thing that would be added, particularly things that are benzodiazepines like dynamite drugs or whatever, they wouldn't be resulting in a death preceded by those symptoms. Exactly. I mean, typically, when someone is administered GHB, gamma-hydroxybutyrate, it's commonly known as the date rape drug,

it knocks you out. And then after a period of hours, you come back to with little or no recollection of what has happened. Joining me also in addition to Dr. Dennis Daugherty is Devin Daugherty, clinical coordinator, an alcohol and drug counselor at Right Relief Health. Weigh in. What do you make of it? I think, well, we think together after looking at the information we've been provided that the statistics and the probability that something of this nature would happen for two individuals on the same night and from a couple sips of a drink would die and then another person would be fine is well crazy i don't know how else to put it highly unlikely yes highly

unlikely yes yes i mean typically a female is slipped GHB and she gets dizzy and passes out and that's it. So I'm saying GHB because we all are familiar with that. Was the substance, Katie Strite joining us, a multimedia journalist with Spectrum News 13 Orlando, the substance the poisoning agent ever identified. Not that we know of. I mean, they, in the death certificate, they had a laundry list of reasons why Casey and Caleb died, but the actual poison itself was never said, at least in the death certificate. Take a listen to our friends at KOBI. At first, the family didn't ask too many questions. Here it is. Anguilla investigating the sudden death of two Americans. Then news outlets picked up the story. Stories started to come out.

Stories started to change. When they were there on the island, they had them cremated right away and we were in agreement about that after she claims police wouldn't provide her information on his death she says the trail went cold that is very unusual debony mcpherson you doll joining me this is casey's sister why wouldn't police give any information? Because they do not consider us next of kin and they would only communicate with his widow. That's quite the coincidence, isn't it? That both the husbands die after just a couple of sips of a drink, not even the whole drink. One goes into immediate seizures followed by the next and they both die and are immediately cremated. So

we're told poisoning is a COD cause of death but listen to our friends at KOBI. Casey's death certificate says he died of pulmonary edema, cardiac toxicity, cardiac ischemia, hypothermia, and seizures. Caleb's death certificate says he died of asphyxiation, strangulation, ligature, multiple blood force traumas, and seizures. The families say there's never been a reason for how this could have happened. Hey, I'd love to accept their story. I'm still at a point I'd love to accept it. If that's what happened, that's what happened.

But why would the death certificate indicate differently? Okay, now we're getting down to it. Bobby Chacon, the death certificate. It says, I don't hear anything about poisoning. It says pulmonary edema, cardiac toxicity. I'm not sure what that is. Cardiac ischemia, hypothermia. Hypothermia means when you get really cold.

Seizures, hypothermia. Hypothermia means when you get really cold. Seizures, that's Casey. Caleb's death certificate says he dies of asphyxiation, strangulation, both manual and ligature, multiple blunt force trauma, and seizures. Wait.

Poisoning is not consistent with strangulation and blunt force, Bobby Chacon. Not at all, Nancy. It's so unusual to have two people die. And look, all we know is these things that we're supposing all come from the widow. We don't really have any other information about really what happened and how it happened. We're getting all this information from the widow, and now we know what she's telling us, that they imbibed some alcohol from the same cup and got sick, does not match the physical results of the autopsy. And so to have two people, two grown men die from such different causes at the same time in the same presence of the same, what, four other individuals, the two widows and that other couple. I mean, it's very, very strange.

Their stories just don't match the physical evidence at the crime scene, which has been determined through the autopsy. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace debbie mcpherson you doll i understand one wife is saying poisoning what does the other wife say they say that the death certificates are fake that they're not correct okay why would a medical i assume it was a medical examiner a doctor reviewed the bodies and determined asphyxiation, strangulation, and blunt trauma? Was it a doctor? Yes, it was.

Why in the world would there be any reason for a doctor unknown to these people fake a death certificate? Karen Stark, joining me, New York psychologist out of Manhattan at karenstark.com. That's Karen with a C. What do you make of it? Well, come on, Nancy. Something is very, very fishy here. It doesn't, how can four people be okay? Two of them are poisoned, but the other ones aren't poisoned.

And then you get these death certificates and they're saying they're made up. And you're talking about a foreign place where nobody can really verify what's going on and what happened. It is one of the strangest stories, honestly. And we've covered a lot that I have ever heard. Joining me is Christopher Montgomery, consultant and agent to McPherson Pomeroy Foundation

and board member at redBanyan.com. Christopher, I find it very hard to believe that a medical examiner faked an autopsy report. Nancy, what I find most even more incredible than that is how the survivors, if we call them that at the moment, pick and choose when the medical examiner is accurate and when the medical examiner is faking. They're picking and choosing what they want. They're cherry picking this. That's where I started the first problem in all of it. Then I go from there, Nancy, to the fact that this is a place where Americans are going to medical school. This is not some third world country, banana republic. This is modern medicine, at least at the hospital level here. These people know what they were doing.

These reporters have got to be accurate. Guys, take a listen to our friend Amanda Rose. We just want to know what happened. We want to know the truth of what happened. Months later, she says the family got a hold of Pomeroy's death certificate. Pulmonary edema, cardiac toxicity, cardiac ischemia, hypothermia, and seizures. The medical professional that we had read the death certificate told us that it goes along the lines of he was poisoned. But that wasn't the family's only surprise.

Not the family's only surprise? Not the family's only surprise. That's an understatement. Listen. Deboni had expected her brother's friend to have died the same way. The cause of death for him was asphyxiation, strangulation, both ligature and manual, multiple blunt force traumas, and seizures. Today, Pomeroy's family believes he was murdered. You're not able to grieve at this time because you don't have those answers and you don't have closure. We do need that closure because we just need to heal. We've heard from Casey's sister joining us, Debony.

Take a listen to what Caleb's uncle has to say. My nephew's case. Str strangulation by licature. That's a freaking rope around your neck or a belt or a strap or some kind of an instrument that is choking you. Three years later, the case is still not going anywhere. Not one of the four suspects has appeared before Gwilyd authorities who have gone out of their way to make it possible for them to to testify. You know the inquest is still ongoing in Anguilla. And more from KMBI. The friend had passed away and then my brother apparently passed away at the hospital. But Caleb's death certificate shows something very different. Asphyxiation, strangulation, both ligature and manual, multiple blunt force traumas, and seizures.

Blunt force trauma, seizures, ligature and manual, strangulation. Why is there no homicide prosecution? I want to go straight back to special guests joining us this is debbie mcpherson udall casey's sister how did his widow behave when you finally saw her well when she came to the house we we all sat down together and she was the spokesperson for the entire group and we what do you mean by the entire group well when they came to our my parents house the four of them came all together what four that would be Caleb's widow Carly and Barbara and Chuck and Alicia Gross. Who are Chuck and Alicia Gross? Chuck and Alicia Gross are the other couple. And Chuck was childhood friends with Casey and Caleb as well. So why do

they all come to Casey's family home? Because they wanted to all come together to tell us their story. Okay and what was their story, Dabney? Well, Barbara was the spokesperson for the group. No one else spoke. And that's your brother's wife, okay? Yes, that is his widow and she told us that they had gone to the beach bar and that their drinks had been poisoned and that she had gotten sick and that they were all arrested and we'll never have any answers that we just needed to move on she actually said to move on that we were never going to have any answers that this is to what that we just I'm I'm a loss for words right now because I'm trying to remember the that day what were the others doing as she's telling you to move on they were all looking down at the ground I don't like that I don't like that looking down at the

ground at all Dr. Dennis C. Daugherty joining us, Right Relief Health. What do you make of the conflicting stories? I mean, one of the friends, Caleb, died of blunt force trauma and strangulation. How'd that happen? After a bad drink? Yeah, I agree. It's fairly ridiculous and there seem to be some themes here that are so inconsistent and driven by the information from only one person. of a truthful accounting of wanting, you know, trying to gather information to define how a loved one has been taken from you. Dr. Jardy, have you ever heard of a medical examiner faking an autopsy report? I've not heard of it, but I have to comment. And I know that we have other experts, but, and I did read and check because I'm compulsive about it, but

there appears to be, and this is what I've seen, in some states, the immediate and it may be the same in rural is that the immediate cause of death is arrested. So it sounds ridiculous to me and it would to you, but if you died from

something obviously that occurred three hours before, but the immediate cause of death was blood loss or hyperbolemia, you will see a death certificate. Wait a minute. The death certificate is not issued until the final autopsy is done. I mean, somebody may look like they fell and died. Then the autopsy reveals they were poisoned. So the ultimate death certificate does not say falling down the stairs. The ultimate death certificate states what the autopsy says. It's my understanding. Bobby Chacon, is that your understanding as well?

Yeah, yes. But Nancy, in this case, it gets even worse because Barbara, the widow of Casey, very quickly arranged to have both those bodies transported off the island of Anguilla to a close-by island and have them cremated. Now, she's a medical professional. If she

thought her husband was poisoned, she knows the importance of toxicology and preserving tissue samples. Exactly. Why on earth would she have that body moved off island to the nearest cremation facility on another island and have them cremated? Take a listen to our friend, Private Eye, T.J. Ward. This is from WTVL. Ward says there are clues that show differently. They have the bodies cremated on the island.

There's another clue. We have learned that there's the insurance company that held the life insurance on Casey. Barbara, prior to them moving to the island, tried to increase the life insurance up one and a half million dollars. One and a half million dollars life insurance, Debony, on your brother? Yes, that is correct. One and a half million dollars.

Go ahead, Debony. This is Debony. May I add something? Sure, jump in. your brother yes that is correct one and a half million dollars go ahead debony this is devon i may i add something jump in okay i was gonna say i mean and the other factor here is that if we had all of the information like chris touched on well not touched on he laid out there but if we had more information from the other parties that were at this you know event and participating and whatever then we would actually probably be able to ascertain more information not to mention that you know you can also get the evolution in science and forensics. Even from cremated ashes, you can get information. What information can you get from cremated ashes?

I don't know the specific agents yet, but I am as advanced just as Mr. Zucconi had stated to the point where almost what you can imagine can be done, can be done. I wouldn't have imagined it five years ago or 10 years ago, but the fact that the bodies were so quickly disposed of was remarkable. Again, even not just because, as I understood reading, reading some of the papers,

that it can automatically declare a suspicious death anyway in Angola. I don't understand, as a non-investigator, but a physician, why would you let information go? Like me tossing out your MRI on your lab and your physical exam, what your family's got. How can you make a diagnosis without all the information? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace to debbie mcpherson udall um or actually let me throw this to christopher montgomery who's working with the family is it true that the widow casey's widow will not give debbie access

to medical records? That's 100% true. You know, also, to just back up just a moment, Nancy, here. First of all, with leaving the island with the bodies, the widow had the opportunity to bring the bodies back to the states, back to Oregon for the families, for proper goodbyes, proper burials, even disposition there, for free. Yet she chose to pay to transport the bodies to another island for quick disposal. When she returned to Oregon,

she said that they needed to keep it quiet, not discuss it for fear of something happening to these four survivors. Yet while she was on the island, she was part of a funeral procession for Casey and Caleb that 120 members of the public attended while she said she was in fear. Was the family invited to the memorial, I guess, the procession you described? No, as a family and as a consultant, we did not even learn that this happened until last year. We have only known about that event for less than 12 months at this point in time.

Let me understand. They die of apparent alcohol poisoning, even though one is bludgeoned and strangled. They're immediately taken off the island and cremated. They actually have a funeral procession on the island. And the victim's family had no idea about the funeral procession.

Nope. We did not know until last year. And they said when they came to Oregon and met with Devaney, they said that this needed to be kept quiet because the four of them were in fear for their own lives yet within a couple of miles less than five miles of the actual murder location they had this funeral where the public of over 120 people came and went and yet they're in fear of their lives no security was at that funeral take a listen to amanda rose the inconsistencies in the story and the more sinister possibility the two men were murdered are what drew private investigator T.J. Ward to the case. Something is totally wrong. What they're saying happened and what's transpired.

He knows all too well how difficult it is to investigate a tragedy abroad. And these kids and young adults think that everything's the same from here, that they can do the same things here, that they can do over there, which is totally wrong. And there has not been an inquest, is that correct? The widow, she's delayed the inquest, Nancy, this is Chris Montgomery. She has delayed it by refusing to cooperate with the inquest. And the widow. You go ahead, dear. The widow and the three others have been offered the opportunity, A, to return to the island to testify in person.

They refused. They then claimed COVID. The island has offered them the ability to testify via Zoom from anywhere on Earth that they're choosing. Just call in. They say it's not safe for them even to do that from an undisclosed bunker 50 feet underground. Wherever they want to go. It's not safe for them to testify, so they've refused. Bobby Chacon, please explain to everybody what's an inquest.

Well, I mean, it's usually done by a coroner. It's a medical investigation. You try to, you know, sometimes these British countries or protectorates call their investigation inquest. It's just simply a very preliminary investigation looking into what happened and how things happened. So you get the first part of it is you talk to everybody that was there. You get official sworn statements about what they did and what they saw at the time these

people's death. And that is what they are refusing to attend. Guys, take a listen to our cuts 15-16. This is Amanda Rose. Ward says he, like Deboni, has been struggling to put the pieces together, and accessing information has been difficult. Because it's not like it is here in the United States. The next step, he says, is for the court to hold an inquest. There's, you know, four other witnesses in this case. They've been requested to return to the island, which I doubt very seriously is going to happen.

Without an inquest and the testimonies of those involved, Ward says the road ahead is unclear. But one thing's certain, the family will continue to fight to keep the case alive and get justice for Casey. They know that we are on to the truth, that we're uncovering what's happening. The family tells us they've also hired an attorney on the island. The attorney told us it's uncommon to have an inquest if there is evidence of an unnatural death or possible homicide. For that reason, he says he's fighting to get a criminal investigation underway. Debony, this is Casey's sister. You have described this entire scenario, and I quote, as a big, huge spider web of lies and deception.

Correct. Why? Because the story keeps changing. And the more things that we uncover, it put holes in their story. Nancy, it's Chris Montgomery. Every time we turn around, when we just last year, we find out this funeral was hosted.

We find out all of these things years later, months and years later, we keep learning new things where this family has a chance to get all of the information on day one and yet nothing was provided to them. The phone calls made by Barbara from the island at the start of this are suspicious. What phone calls are you referring to?

In the first days after Casey's death, we have reports right now that she made three phone calls from jail. She made a phone call to life insurance. She made a phone call to a corporate attorney. And she made a phone call to the contingent beneficiary of the life insurance policy, all three of which we understand went to the island. The family was not involved. The only way to get the truth here is for there to be a full hearing, an inquest in Anguilla. And the only way we're going to have that is if these parties agree to it. That doesn't even make sense. Why do they have to agree to an inquest?

I don't understand that, Christopher Montgomery. That's been our question as well. Barbara has said on repeated occasions she's not aware of an inquest, yet we can show where she has been directly officially told that she needs to appear. She'll publicly say that she hasn't.

We can show the evidence where she has. Well, I can tell you this much. Something is very, very wrong. We wait as justice unfolds. PNC Grace Crime Story signing off. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.