Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - CHILLING: LAST HOURS OF LINDSAY CLANCY'S 3 TOTS BEFORE MURDERS

Episode Date: August 9, 2026

Nancy Grace and her expert panel examine the murder trial of Lindsay Clancy, a former labor and delivery nurse accused of strangling her three young children: Cora, 5, Dawson, 3, and eight-month-old Callan. Clancy wrapped exercise bands around the children's necks in their home's basement before slitting her wrists and jumping from a second-story window. The team analyzes the prosecution's argument that Clancy meticulously planned the killings after searching ways to kill online and sending her husband out for takeout food and pharmacy prescriptions, contrasting it with defense claims that she suffered a severe psychotic break triggered by postpartum psychosis and a cocktail of psychiatric medications. Nancy breaks down what happened in court, reviewing testimony from a lifelong friend, distressing autopsy findings, emergency dispatch recordings, and the details of a jury walkthrough at the Duxbury crime scene. Joining Nancy Grace today:  Eric Faddis (Denver, CO) - Founder of The Law Offices of Eric Faddis, known as “The Mile High Lion,”  former felony prosecutor and current criminal defense and civil litigation attorney Brian Bennett (SC) - Former Police Officer at Columbia, South Carolina Police Deptartment, Owner of Clearview Justice Training & Consulting - Specializing in strangulation assaults, domestic violence Dr. Catherine Birndorf, MD (New York, NY) - Reproductive Psychiatrist and Postpartum Expert. Co-founder, CEO, Medical Director at The Motherhood Center of New York. Former board member at Postpartum Support International. Founding Director of the Payne Whitney Women’s Program at Weill Cornell Medicine – New York-Presbyterian Hospital. Author: "What No One Tells You: A Guide to Your Emotions from Pregnancy to Motherhood" and "The Nine Rooms of Happiness: Loving Your Life, Finding Your Purpose, and Getting Over Life’s Little Imperfections." Dr. Kendall Crowns (Fort Worth, TX)  – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County, Host of podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue", Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at Texas Christian University (TCU) Shannon Hill – Host, Shannon Hill News on Instagram, Tiktok and YouTube Kristina Rex (Boston, MA) - WBZ Reporter, Instagram & Tik Tok: @kristinarextv, X: @kristinarex, Facebook: Kristina Rex Dave Mack – Crime Stories investigative reporter  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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not just postpartum depression. It's postpartum psychosis where you actually do not understand what you're doing. In this case, she heard a, quote, unknown male voice ordering her to kill the children. Now, she's claiming not guilty by reason of insanity. We are not bloodthirsty monsters that want a sick woman in general population. I don't want that. What I want is a true verdict. Why is nobody talking about the terror the children went through as they're hurted into the basement and one by one murdered by mommy? Lindsay Clancy Googles Ways to Kill. So this is pop three worst crime scenes I've ever been to, but I've never seen police officers weeping at a crime scene. the way I did that night.

I hear the defense lawyer saying she's been crying. She should be crying. They're dead. What did you do once you got inside the home? I started taking my boots off. Was there anything you noticed? Yeah, the house was really quiet. Is that unusual?

Yeah. And when you realized it was really quiet, what did you do? I called out. And who did you call out to? Everyone. Did anyone answer? No. After you called out and no one answered, what did you do next?

I think I don't know the order, but I called down in the basement and no one answered. And then I called Lindsay to see if she was home because I looked out and I couldn't see her car, but it's because it was dark and her car's black. Okay, so when you say you, you, um, you, called down to the basement. When you approach the basement door, do you remember if it was open or shut? It was shut. So did you open it and yell down? Yeah. And there was no response? Correct. That's for our friends at East Idaho News. Joining us tonight, Crime Stories, Investigator, reporter Dave Mac. Dave, what's the latest? Nancy, we're getting some pretty shocking information from people very close to the children of Lindsay and Patrick Clancy.

the day before the murders took place, Cora, their five-year-old, was having some stomach distress. And it goes back to Cora didn't like using the bathrooms at her preschool, and she was having issues with that. So it was a regular pediatric visit that was scheduled ahead of time for Lindsay to take Cora to the doctor's office at 8 a.m. on the day before the murders took place, where the doctor observed Lindsay.

She didn't show any outward signs of distress. The doctor said everything seemed fine with her. She wasn't described as having anything going on. Little Cora was having some problems with her stomach and having some discomfort and even pain, and the doctor prescribed a laxative. But as for Lindsay Clancy, doctor says, nope, she seemed fine.

Meanwhile, go to preschool, and this is where Cora and Dawson both attend. The teacher for the morning session expressed how Cora was really uncomfortable. She was having stomach pain, and it was bad enough that she was concerned because Cora was going to the bathroom more than normal. When it was time to switch the children from the morning session to the afternoon session where they would have a nap, the morning teacher talked to the afternoon teacher explaining how Cora was having the stomach distress. and just to be on the lookout for it. Well, Cora laid down with all the other children on their little cots that they have for taking a nap.

But as nap time wore down and it was time for the children to go home, Cora didn't get off her cot. She remained on her cot that day. Again, not something that usually happened. When Lindsay Clancy showed up to take Cora home, Cora remained on the cot. She didn't want to get off the cot right away. Don't know exactly why, but Lindsay, according to the teachers, was not exhibiting anything out of any kind of behavior that was inconsistent with what they had seen previously. And Lindsay picked up Cora and loved on her and said, let's get you, let's go get Dawson and we'll go home.

So we are finding out there was that Cora was experiencing some stomach distress. Did it have to do with what was taking place in the home? something that the children knew and could feel, you know, children have a way about these things, and something was surely getting to Cora Clancy that day. We're also finding out that Lindsay Clancy was talking to others, to close friends, about the medications she was taking. In particular, a lifelong friend, Amy Bevin's testified that Lindsay Clancy told her that the medications that she was taking were not working right.

They didn't make her feel good. Matter of fact, she said it made her feel like a zombie. And in a shocking moment of trial testimony, Amy Bevin said that Lindsay Clancy indicated that she was having dark thoughts and attributed this to the medication that was prescribed to her. Now, Lindsay Clancy told Amy Bevins that she had decided to either or was already doing a tapering of her medication. She was changing the amount she was taking. Now, we know that Lindsay Clancy had a number of prescriptions, so we're not really sure what she's referring to in tapering and which one she was tapering off of.

But, you know, the problem with that, Nancy, is real basic. Your doctor prescribes medication based on the examination and what all's going on with their patient. And they prescribe a certain dosage and expect a certain thing to take place. But when the patient takes it upon themselves to change the dosage, then it changes everything. A doctor cannot prescribe properly unless the patient is taking their medication as they're supposed to. according to Amy Bevin's, Lindsay Clancy was altering the amount she was taking.

Did that impact what took place? We don't know. We just know that this is new information from a lifelong friend that Lindsay Clancy said she felt like a zombie, was having dark thoughts, and was tapering her medication.

Straight out to Shannon Hill, joining us from Shannon Hill News. Shannon, what more can you tell us? I think day eight of the trial was very compelling. Lindsay's longtime friend of 29 years, Amy Bevins took the stand. And she talked about what she knew and what she didn't know as to what was going on with Lindsay Clancy at the time. She was aware of some of the troubles Lindsay was having on and off different medications and kind of trying different medications out. And she was aware that Lindsay was having maybe some darker thoughts, but wasn't so understanding of some of the specifics.

Now, this has been her friend since elementary school. And she is, as far as we know, as the public knows, one of the only people that has visited Lindsay after Lindsay murdered her three children. So we know that Amy Bevins visited Lindsay March of 2023, which was just two. two or three months after Lindsay murdered her three children. She talks about visiting Lindsay, but prior to going in to see her, Lindsay Clancy's sister, mentioned to Amy not to say anything about the children. So when asked on the stand, did you guys talk about the kids? She said, no, we didn't.

I was told not to bring it up. And then when asked on the stand was Lindsay Clancy emotional, she said, no, there were no tears. So this was, again, about two or three months after the incident took place. As the doctor took the stand to talk about what she saw in the autopsy results of eight-month-year-old Callan, it was a very tough moment to hear about because she was talking about. because she was talking about water inflammation in an eight-month-year-old body that shouldn't have been there. Blood vessels being bursted on a child who was strangled to death. And I think Lindsay may have been reliving those last few moments that she had with her child. And I think it probably came down to her realizing over and over again what had took place.

I think the public is very 50-50 on all of this. I see, and I can just speak for the my comment section of my different social media platforms, I see many people really sympathizing with Lindsay Clancy and the struggles she had with her medications and possibly not getting the proper protocol from the medical health professional she was seeing. On the flip side of that, I see people not being able to sympathize with her because after all, these were her three children. And they had their whole lives ahead of them. And they trusted their mother.

And when you listen to the testimony that took place from the pediatrician who saw all three of the Clancy children, she talked about how Lindsay Clancy brought Cora to the doctors that day. And she saw Cora. She saw a child that she had been treating for a couple of years. And it just, it kind of, I think people, are struggling with finding sympathy for a mother who at the end of the day took minutes, seconds to strangle each one of her children. I think the struggle with the Lindsay Clancy case for many mothers is that, and mothers in general who lack postpartum support after having children,

is that this was a woman who was being provided some support. She did have daycare, three and a half days a week for her two oldest children, Cora and Dawson. And there was a part-time nanny who was providing about 12 hours of help a week with baby Callan. And she actually took the stand as well and talked about her relationship with the children. And Lindsay Clancy's parents came and stayed with them to provide added support when they knew Lindsay was struggling. And Patrick's parents also came and stayed with them to provide. added support. Patrick Clancy's father also took the stand yesterday to talk about his relationship with both Patrick and Lindsay. And he called Lindsay a wonderful mother. And he also said that he had a

very close relationship with both Patrick and Lindsay and that they were aware that Lindsay was struggling to sleep at night. And I think this is what you would see of a normal family. I don't think that people were turning away from providing help. I think it was a situation that everybody was dealing with for the very first time. And unfortunately, the circumstances ended up the way they did. Eating well shouldn't be complicated, but somehow it turns into recipes, prep, cleanup, and half your Sunday gone. Factor solves all that.

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Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I saw Cora. And how did she look? She had a band around her neck. And was that an exercise band? Yeah. And do you recall whether she was, what position she was in, whether face up or face down? She's face down.

And when you saw her in that condition, what did you do? I immediately ran over and tried to take the band off. Were you able to get the band off? Yeah. Was she responsive? No. I saw Callin. And where was he?

He was next. And how did he appear? He had a band around his neck. Sorry? He had a band around his neck. And did you remove that as well? Yeah. And do you recall what position he was in?

Same as Cora. After you removed the band from Callan's neck, what did you do next? I tried to find Dawson. And where did you go? I looked in the bathroom and on the other side of the couch. and then I went to the other side of the basement and he was in my office. And when you saw Dawson, what condition was he in? I knew he was gone.

And did he also have a band around his neck? Yeah. And did you remove that band? Yeah. From our friends at East Idaho News joining us an all-star panel, including Shannon Hill on the case from the very beginning at Shannon Hill News, Dave Mack and Dr. Catherine Berndorf. But to Dr. Kendall Crowns, joining us tonight.

Chief Medical Examiner in Tarrant County, that's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business in the morgue in Fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, and he is the star of a hit new podcast, Mayhem in the morgue. Dr. Kendall Crows, thank you for being with us tonight. Explain to me. how the exercise bands, mommy's exercise bands, were used to strangle the three children and the pressure necessary, the force of exertion, to use them as opposed to some other ligature, such as a rope. Certainly. So to start with an exercise band is kind of this stretchy latex rubber.

So they aren't stiff like a rope. You have to put pressure on it to hold that pressure on the neck. So it's a lot more difficult to use exercise bands when compared to a rope because of the stretchiness. So you have to really pull it tot and keep it taught, keep that pressure on the neck to kill the child or to kill whoever you're strangling with them. They were strangled, deliberately and meticulously, killed by this defendant on January 24th, one by one, she wrapped exercise bands around each one of the kids' necks and pulled until

their little bodies were limp and lifeless. First Dawson, then Cora, and finally Callan. She goes to the second floor master bedroom, locks the door, crushes up some pills, and attempts to take her own life. She uses the knife she got in the kitchen to slash her wrists and her neck. She moves the bed away from the wall, away from the window. She opens that window and goes out. She lands on the cold, hard ground. Patrick tells the first responders, I need to find my kids. He had asked the defendant where the kids were, and she told them they were in the basement. So when he went in the house, that's the first place he went down into the basement. He's still on the phone with 911

when he finds each child with an exercise fan still wrapped around their neck. He screams for help, and he says he killed the kids. You are hearing the felony prosecutor in this case, Shannon Buckingham,

giving her opening to the jury. That's for our friends at East Idaho News. Straight out now to Veterans Triumph. lawyer, criminal defense attorney Eric Fattis, founder, the law offices of Eric Fattis. Okay, Eric, hit it. What's your best, your best shot? I'm not sure I've seen a stronger mental health case. In this case, the jury's got to decide.

Is Lindsay Clancy a bloodthirsty monster who delights in the death of her own children? Or is she someone who was severely deranged, hearing hallucinations of boys telling her to kill her children on a 13 drug cocktail. And the person who the father of those children described as very, very sick at trial, which one is she? I think everybody can look at the case, the historical record, things leading up to what happened and determined that it's the latter,

that she had suffered a psychotic break, not only postpartum psychosis, but also bipolar disorder, contending with multiple diseases or defects, aligned with the defense statute in terms of a lack of criminal responsibility, a very strong mental health defense here. Straight out to Shannon Hill, joining us, star of Shannon Hill News on Insta. Shannon, thank you for being with us. I understand that in addition to what we're learning right now, Clancy breaks down as a doctor

describes efforts to revive the children. What happened? And I haven't even gotten to the jury going to the murder scene, but one thing at a time. what happened when a doctor described trying to revive the three children? As he was trying to revive the middle child Dawson and Callum, both children were not showing any sort of brain function. And at one point, they did get a pulse from Callum the youngest. And that was when they also realized his heart was no longer repeating. And they could not survive.

And yes, Lindsay Clancy was crying in the courtroom when this was being talked about. I'm very curious. It's hard to watch the jury like a hawk when you're watching everything else in the courtroom. I remember feeling like I was watching a tennis match when I had time to reflect upon it in court because I'd be watching the witness and looking at the jury and watching the witness and looking at the jury like that the whole time. It's very difficult to also look over at the defendant. I tried not to do that when I was trying a case. But I wonder how the jury reacted to Lindsay Clancy sobbing. in court. Do we know, Shannon? They continue to ask the jury to not get emotionally attached to any of the evidence being shown, such as the pajamas, children's pajamas that were being shown, to remain

emotionally detached from any and all of the testimony and evidence shown. One thing that I think is really compelling is when Patrick Fancy testifies on this stand and he says that he sees his wife on the ground, he goes to her and he asks her what happened. She says, I tried to kill my myself and then he asks her where are the children she says in the basement but then doesn't proceed to tell him to go help them or go check on his children or run to them you know they're in dire need she knew she knew right from wrong what appears to be perfectly saying obviously was not this woman whatever happened whether it was planned in her mind committed one of the most heinous acts i have ever heard 147, 4-7 Summers Street, and followed the police. The Hill party took off the top floor of the house. She did slice her as well in neck injury, neck laceration.

She's conscious at this time. We're going to check with meds light. It was over a 20-foot fall. It's unknown where the knife is or whatever she used to slit her. She's in the, looks like they're pinging around the back. We'll get that info now. is a knife at first. I know where that is at this time. I'm on the way. We're with the county.

I'm as a two pediatrics arrest. We've got a mutual aid on the way. You are hearing the 911 calls, at least part of them, because the initial 911 is from the father, the dad, the dad of those. children, the judge has ordered that that not be released. While we are not bound by that judge's ruling, we are adhering to it in the interest of justice. Instead, you are hearing back and forth between law enforcement. Is that the missing piece of the puzzle? Mom slits her own wrists and jumps out a window after killing all three of her children, the youngest, just eight months old. She's extremely emotional. However, she's unable and has been unable to express any

happiness or sadness or cry. And in fact, sometime about a month or two ago, she made the comment, I just wish that I could feel something. Now, our society, fails miserably in treating women with postpartum depression or even postpartum psychosis. From our friends at court shop, we are seemingly focusing on the mom, Lindsay Clancy, and not on the three murder victims who could not fight back. They were strangled dead with mommy's exercise bans after she googled ways to kill. after she googled, can you treat a sociopath? After writing in her journal that she resented her older two children,

she sends the dad out for takeout food, and to the pharmacy, waits for him to leave, and murders her children. And let me remind everyone, Lindsay Clancy is presumed innocent. Joining me, Christina Rex, reporter WBZ TV in the courtroom from the get-go and on the crime scene that night, I hear the defense lawyer saying she's been crying. Oh, okay, I guess so.

She should be crying. Some juncture, she says she's crying. Sometimes she says she's not crying. I don't care if she's crying. They're dead. First, before we get to what's happening in the courtroom, there's going to be hand-to-hand mutual combat over this case because the prosecutor is digging in that Mommy made a plan. The defense is digging in.

This is not just postpartum depression. It's postpartum psychosis. But I want to go to the night of the crime itself, Christina Rex. What did you observe at the scene? So this is top three worst crime scenes I've ever been to. You know, as a reporter, we're behind the crime scene tape. So luckily, I'm not, I didn't see the gruesome details. I've never seen police officers weeping at a crime scene the way I did that night.

When we had gotten there, it was, you know, a breaking news. We just heard it over the scanner. We didn't know what was going on. We just could tell it was something bad. But when I got to the crime scene and I saw police officers leaving the house in tears, we knew it was really, really a bad situation. It said that out. Christina Rex is my understanding that it was so bad that these seasoned officers had to get counseling.

Yeah, it's not unusual in Massachusetts after a traumatic event, often ones involving children for the police stations to offer counseling. But in this case, we know, you know, officers took the station up on that. It took the department up on that and really did need that support because it just had traumatic this crime. Eating well shouldn't be complicated. But somehow it turns into recipes, prep, cleanup, and half your Sunday gone. Factors solves all that. These are fresh, ready-to-eat meals designed by dietitians, delivered to your door, and ready in just minutes. No prep, no cleanup, no excuses.

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Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Straight out to Shannon Hill, joined. joining us from Shannon Hill News. Shannon, the jury shocked when they visit the crime scene, the scene that was once a happy home. Explain what happened. That's a very unusual move. I saw it in the Murdoch case, State v. Alex Murdoch. I saw it in the O.J. Simpson case, the Karen Reed case. It is fraught, fraught with potential danger. What happened, Shannon? That's right, Ansey. They do this in very few cases, but with this particular case, they wanted the jury to take a ride from the CVS that Patrick Clancy had gone to that day and then to the 3V restaurant where Patrick Clancy also picked up that Lindsay had requested him to pick up and then back to the house. And that would give them an idea of how long a trip like that would take and how long Patrick Clancy would be out of the house that they were living in in Duxbury. So, you know, I think being that close to the scene and that close to the whole,

I wish to see on the inside and outside of what took place, gives the jury a really strong picture of exactly what happened to those children that day. Shannon, I'm showing you state's exhibit number 41. It is a view of apparently carpeted steps leading down from the main dwelling area to the basement. I think the significance of this, much to Josh Coleridge's chagrin, will be that with every step, another second passes for her to rethink her murderous plan. What is the claim of the state? How did she get the children hurted into the basement? And one child was hiding in daddy's office, which was also in the basement.

What is significant about these steps, Shannon? Yes, Danzy. Now keep in mind, this was a finished basement. So this was like the family's second family room. They would go downstairs. There was a gym down there. There were children's toys down there. The husband Patrick Clancy had an office down there.

So it was very common for these kids to go to the basement to see their parents or play. And so another trip down to the basement didn't seem out of the ordinary to these children. And you're correct in saying that there was time for Lindsay Clancy to change her mind. going down the stairs, bringing all three kids, making sure to have those exercise bands. This was all the process, a process that she had to think through or conducting. Christina Rex, WBZTV, had she been in mental health therapy pre-children? I know she had postpartum depression. But before that, had she had treatment for schizophrenia or any other mental illness?

So no. At least what her ex-husband Patrick testified to was that her mental health issues, you know, she struggled and had maybe seen a therapist briefly after her first or second child, but really when she got into mental health treatment, numerous different kinds of treatment, was starting in September of 2022, which was just, you know, four or five months before she killed a kid. So prior to this, there had been no extended mental health treatment. She was not a under medications, let's just say, for hallucinations, for psychosis, for schizophrenia, even for depression, nothing. That's correct.

That's significant because the state's going to argue. So she suddenly went crazy now and killed her children. And back to you, Fattis, why are you saying either she is a, quote, your words, not mine, a bloodthirsty monster or a woman that had been over-prescribed serious drugs? Those aren't my only two choices. And I don't really accept either one of them. You know, I think the prosecutor's got to convince this jury that Lindsay Clancy was of reasonably sound mind and did this in a calculated and knowing fashion that this was deliberate, that she wanted to just off her kids. But there really just isn't any significant evidence of her motive to do that, of a reason to do that, of some kind of payoff instead.

According to the father Patrick Clancy. But did you just say there's no evidence of motive? Whoa, let me send you back in the time machine to criminal law. One L. First year, the state doesn't have to prove motive. I don't have to get in her head and bang around like it's granny's attic and figure out what the motive is. We don't have to prove motive. So, erase.

Jurassic erase. Okay, try again, Fattis. Even though motive is not an element of the... the prosecution has to prove. Don't you think a jury wants to be given a reason why she would do this? The reason they have is that she voiced some frustration about some of her kids at some point. Haven't all parents done that? Does that equate to a motive to strangle three of your children to death? I don't think it does. I think that's common parental activity. Again, there you go. Motive. Don't need to show motive. Why does any parent, you know what,

I've got an expert. Brian Bennett is joining us along with Dr. Catherine Bindor, Brian Bennett, former state law enforcement officer over 25 years, senior instructor in advanced behavioral science at the State Police Academy in South Carolina, 16 years, and he specializes in strangulation assaults, domestic violence, and elder abuse. Brian, is there a motive to kill a child? Is there a good reason? Have you ever heard a good reason why the child has to die? I haven't. No, I mean, never a good reason for me. of the offenders that we've arrested in the past, they formulate a reason that seems to make them feel better or justify their actions with respect to this case. And one thing that I immediately

thought of is something I say all the time. And that's patterns always exist before the time of discovery. What really matters is what do those patterns tell us? Certainly we have patterns of searching the internet, patterns of, you know, sending the husband out. but we also see patterns of mental health treatment, patterns of going to doctors and getting medication. So the combination of patterns and what those mean are going to be really important to both the prosecution and defense and what the jury determines what has the most weight in their final decision. I ran downstairs and went outside. I just looked around in the backyard below that window and I saw Lindsay. And where did you see her?

She was face up in the backyard. And where in the backyard was she? At the bottom of the window. Where was she in relation to that window? Directly below it. Down here by the window well? Yeah. She had deep cuts on her wrists, and she had a red line across her neck.

I wasn't sure what it was at first, but she cut her neck. From our friends at East Idaho News, straight to Dr. Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County, how many cases have I seen? I'm trying to figure out how many I can't count them all where someone commits homicide and then claim they were going to kill themselves, but they didn't. Over and over and over. You can wipe out the whole family, and I've seen this in men and women. But when it comes to killing themselves somehow, that doesn't work. Yes, it does happen occasionally, especially when parents kill their children. They attempt suicide.

Often you see it when boyfriends murder their wives or something like that situation, murder their girlfriends. I mean, they attempt to cover up the fact that they did it by attempting suicide. Often their suicide attempts are superficial, so they don't cut deep into a vessel or they don't cut deep enough to kill themselves. and you get this injuries, but you don't see them dying. So you got to wonder, were they really meaning to kill themselves. Now, jumping out of a second story window, if she had gone head first, she might have achieved what she was going for, but my assumption is she went feet first, and that's why she's a paraplegic at this time.

So again, another unsuccessful suicide attempt, and you have to wonder, did she really mean to die? Shannon Hill, what is her vocation? what does Lindsay Clancy do for a living when she worked? So she was a labor and delivery nurse. So she is, she was and is very familiar with women who are going through pregnancy, delivery, and she's part of. So let me understand this.

To Dr. Catherine and Berndorf, Dr. Berndorf, this is a woman that was in and out of the pediatric unit every day in labor and delivery. And she murders her three children. I am tempted to point out the irony of that, but I'm more interested in it in a probative sense, what, if anything, does it prove regarding her knowledge of how to kill someone and how not to kill herself? I would reframe it and say what you're seeing is the idea that someone who has knowledge of labor and delivery or someone in the field, the profession, didn't know what was happening, that there's not enough education I can't tell you the number of people we treat at the Motherhood Center, professionals in the field and other, you know, very respectable fields who don't know what's happening to them.

There's stigma, there's shame, there's lack of education, lack of access to treatment. We see this all the time. And when they get to us at the Motherhood Center, they've tried to get help many, many times. They've been turned away. Their insurances haven't paid. And they are frankly just, burned out of trying and still ill, but they're defeated. And it's very hard to access this. So there's nothing, you know, it is ironic, as you put it, but understandable from where I sit, that this can happen to anyone in the field or anywhere else. At this hour, Lindsay Clancy is in the fight of her life. She is in a court of law. She's being tried for the murders of her three children. Her husband was listed as both a defense witness and a state's witness. He was witness number

one for the state. He has moved, remarried, and started a new life, trying to get beyond the murders of his three children. And let me remind everyone that this defendant, Lindsay Clantz, and all defendants are innocent until proven guilty. Proven guilty with evidence that pierces the presumption of innocence and proves beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant is in fact guilty. So as we go to air, Lindsay Clancy is presumed innocent. If you know or think you know anything about this case, Dial

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