Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Dad shot 9 times by teen assassin, survives. Who wants Baron Li dead?

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

Baron Li heard a noise on his way to his car. It was the first of 9 shots fired by a teen gunman sent to kill the 48-year-old car salesman and dad. The question is, WHY? Police question Li, "Who wants you dead?" The only name he could come up with is his ex-wife. The couple are in the middle of an acrimonious custody battle.Joining Nancy Grace today: Wendy Patrick- California prosecutor, author “Red Flags”, Host of "Live With Dr. Wendy" on KCBQ Radio www.wendypatrickphd.com  Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills, www.drbethanymarshall.com Sheryl McCollum - Forensics Expert & Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," featured on "Poisonous Liaisons" on True Crime Network Nicole Partin - Crime Online Investigative Reporter Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why was a Washington dad gunned down, shot nine times. The answer is going to surprise you. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. With me, an all-star panel to break it down and put it back together again, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags, the host of Live with Dr. Wendy on KCBQ Radio at WendyPatrickPhD.com,

Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert and director of the Cold Case Research Institute. Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us from Beverly Hills. You can find her at drbethanymarshall.com. Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Now host of a hit series on the True crime network, Poisonous Liaisons. But first, to Nicole Parton, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. Nicole, take a listen to Alison Grande, K-I-R-O-7. On July 10th, Lee was walking to his car at the overlook at Lakemont Apartments when he heard the first shot, then a second. That bullet had hit my right arm and then I looked to my right

and I saw this guy running to me with a gun, still firing too. Lee got to his car and tried to protect his head and chest. I was thinking, oh my god, I'm dead. You know, he's standing right over me with the gun pointed right at me. After more gunshots, the bullets finally ran out and Lee lived. So amazingly, after taking nine bullets, and remember that 12 bullets in the 12 entry exit wounds you're hearing include some of those nine. Exactly what are they saying, Joe Scott Morgan? They're saying that these rounds literally pass through this guy's body. Nancy, there's 12 entrance and exit wounds. And just imagine this for a second, that you're being shot

while someone's advancing on you. And no major organ systems are hit. Nothing. But this guy is in serious, serious pain because of so much muscular damage and neuro damage as well. I mean, the guy is bleeding out right there on the pavement. With all of those entrance and exit wounds to you, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic expert. It's got to be CSI's dream scene, dream crime scene. Why? Well, Nancy, you've got a lot of physical evidence. You're going to have shell casings. You're going to have the fact that they

had to use three tourniquets. So again, three tourniquets tells you the amount of bleeding. So you're going to have the exact position where the shooter was from, where he was cowering and hiding and approaching the victim. You're going to have surveillance video, hopefully, from the apartment complex. You may even have video from, you know, flock cameras or ring doorbells of them coming in or coming out. You're going to have a lot of evidence in a very small amount of space. Now the question will be, will it be handled properly? This is out in the open in a parking lot of an apartment complex. How quickly can that scene become contaminated?

To Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags. You know, it's very rare that you get that much forensic evidence. So, but think about it. You get a bullet, you get a bullet, a shell casing, that does not lead you to the killer. It's going to take detective work. No doubt. Not only does it take detective work,

but when you do have a victim that, thank God, survives the injury, sometimes they're the best source of information. But this crime scene was a forensic dream. There was so much evidence. It was just rich in the kind of trails that investigators can then follow to develop leads. Even things as simple as placement of shell casings, types of bullets, footprints, track marks, all the kinds of things that thankfully were collected before they were contaminated. That is going to tell a story in and of itself in addition to any live witness testimony. And it's so important because this guy sustaining nine to 12 bullet wounds, you've got to preserve the scene in case the victim should then die. To Dr. Bethany Marshall, imagine that crouch down and a gunman that you don't recognize coming closer and closer and closer and targeting you. There's no rape.

There's no theft. It's not a carjacking to take your car. And seemingly, it's like out of a horror movie, the guy gets closer and closer to you and keep shooting. Nancy, I cannot imagine how traumatic and unimaginable, undigestible that experience would have been. I know I'm always talking about trauma, but in this case, it's that trauma is a sudden unanticipated event for which there's no preparation. There's no learning. Nothing prepares the human mind to integrate something like this. And you heard him say on air, I thought I'm dead. Can you imagine in a moment thinking that you are going to die?

I had it happen to me once. I was buried alive in a landslide. I was doing a mission project in Mexico. And I remember thinking, I'm dead. That's it. I'll never have children. I'll never get married. It is the most surreal experience because you just know it's going to happen. It's a certainty. I was rescued, of course. and this man fortunately sustained no organ damage, and that's why he lived. Still the possibility of bleeding out the mind of the assassin to shoot the victim multiple times, leaving lying there on the pavement alone and bleeding, shooting until they run out of bullets. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, it sounds like somebody that's seen one too many action movies

or spy thrillers where you see the perp shoot until they run out of bullets. Nancy, that takes time as well. A lot of times if you have like a drive-by shooting, they're driving and moving and they get out of there. This person continued to go toward the victim in this really sinister way to make sure this person was dead, stood right over them and continued to shoot. And Cheryl McCollum, the fact that we, I just mentioned that there's no sex attack, there's no robbery, there's no car theft, nothing. The two had not been in a previous altercation. Victim didn't even recognize the guy.

That tells me a lot about who is the perp. It tells you a whole lot, especially it appears that there was one target and one target only, and this person was trying their best to make sure this victim did not survive. To Nicole Parton, joining me, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. What can you tell me about the incident when this dad is seemingly targeted out in a parking lot. How did it happen? So Barron Lee, 48 years old, gets up to start his day, normal routine. He's a sales manager at a local car dealership, grabs his car keys, heads out of his apartment, walks to the car, and he said he heard a pop, a crack. He thought it was a window breaking.

He looked to his left and didn't see anything. He looks to the right and he sees a gunman standing over him. And he said at that moment his keys fell from his right hand because he'd been shot in the right arm. So he's scurrying on the ground trying to get his keys to unlock the car door so that he can take cover behind the car door. Meanwhile, the gunman standing over him continues at close range to fire shots at him. You know, you just brought up something very interesting to me, the fact that this happened

first thing in the morning. You know, Cheryl McCollum, you and I have worked a lot of crime scenes, a lot of homicide scenes, and you don't normally see murders going down at 8 a.m. It's just a fact. It's a fact. And in an apartment complex, there's usually a lot of movement. Also, kids are back in school. There could have been, you know, children around. He could have had his own children with him taking them to school.

I mean, it's just a really unusual situation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why is a dad the target of a hitman? That's what we're talking about right now. Take a listen to this. The vicious shooting of Baron Lee is not the kind of case Bellevue PD sees often. What happened to Lee on the morning of July 10th as he walked out his front door to head to work is what nightmares are made of. As he walked to his car, he was confronted by an assailant that he didn't recognize. The assailant shot him about eight or nine times. The victim fell to the ground.

The suspect stood over him and continued to fire. Incredibly, he lived. That was our friend Olivia LaVoie at Q13 Fox Seattle. But listen to our friends at Inside Edition. I took a shot behind my right leg and that's when I fell to the ground. Pulled myself behind the car door. He comes around the door and he's standing over me at point blank range. Fired the first shot without looking and went in my chest here. He shot me in the leg, in the hip and twice in the arm until the clip emptied. Did you think this was a random attack, or did you think it was something else? Absolutely not. I mean, from the get-go, I just was wondering who was that.

So we're learning more and more about the shooting of a young dad, a dad who has a child expecting him to be there after school, but that's not what the assailant had in mind nine to twelve gunshot bullets fired at this one person and here we hear even more to dr bethany marshall psychoanalyst joining me out of beverly hills the dad tries to crawl away and the assailant follows him around the car and keeps shooting i mean if this is not an intended hit i don't know what it is nancy this perpetrator wanted this dad dead he wanted him dead he was so determined to do it but even if it was a murder for hire plot a hit job the perpetrator didn't even have enough bullets to carry out the job correctly whoa hold on i think he had enough bullets cheryl mccollum

i think he just didn't know what he was doing nine bullets that's not enough or 12 bullets i mean one bullet could do the trick it only. It only takes one. It only takes one. This was just a hand to God moment is all I can tell you. This man survived by the grace of God, not anything this potential killer did. I'll tell you that. I mean, it's really rare to Joseph Scott Morgan outside, I guess, a combat situation where somebody that sustains nine bullets lives. Yeah, yeah, it is, Nancy. And you would think that, you know, in some of that, they'd hit the jackpot relative to, you know, a fatal entry and exit. You know, this this tells me a lot about the person that did this if this was a professional hit if this was somebody that was tasked with this job professional killers they use the least amount of deadly force as possible because they

understand that there's something that mac and i both understand and that is we want to leave as little evidence of our existence behind this This guy goes through an entire magazine of projectiles and doesn't score a fatal hit under this whole thing. And you got the guy on the ground crawling.

Yeah, you're right on top of him. Even he says they shot at me point blank range. Another point to what Justice Scott Morgan is saying, Cheryl McCollum, director of Cold Case Research Institute. I remember, you remember the dad says, I heard a pop. Well, a professional killer, of course, is going to be using a silencer. I remember the first time I saw a silencer. I was doing a search into a luxury high-rise. Elton John used to live beside it in the city of Atlanta.

And we went into this drug lord's luxury apartment. And with pursuant to warrant, of course, I saw a silencer. And I knew that it was something related to a weapon. And I didn't touch it, course it said what is that exactly that's the first time I'd seen a silencer in real life not a picture of one not a description of one but seeing one so you hear the dad the dad says I heard a pop this clearly is an assassin. The dad is clearly the target. He clearly wants the guy dead, but he's not a pro. Right. And you can tell he's not a pro by several ways.

One, the fact that he did hear the pop, meaning he missed. A professional person would have hit you from the neck up. It would have been a kill shot. It would have been done. You would have never heard anything. You would have been dead before you hit the ground. So not only did he miss the first shot, he fired too many shots. He stayed there too long. He left too much evidence. He got out and walked, which means, you know, potential witnesses, more time on video. You're going to give people time

to see the getaway car. He made so many mistakes here. Doesn't look like he even knew what he was doing. You know, I'm thinking about the case of Susan Berman. You remember her? I'm sure she was the longtime friend of the, let me just say, star of Jinxed. And she suffered, I think, a single bullet wound to the head and she was killed. Of course, I'm talking about Robert Durst. The difference between that murder of Susan Berman and this murder is astounding, Cheryl McCollum. It's astounding. It's almost, if it weren't the

fact we were talking about a potential murder for hire, it would almost be a joke. I mean, I don't know who this person was, but outside of a video game, they would have absolutely no luck at killing anybody. It's interesting that you said video game. Who would want this dad dead? Take a listen olivia lavois q13 fox surveillance video led them to two 17 year olds in mount vernon one of the teens that apparently used a gps tracker to help pin down lee's location the night before the shooting a teen a teen is the one that murders this 48-year-old dad who's up in the morning going to his job at a car lot? And a teen not only shoots, but thinks to get a GPS tracker to track down Lee? Why?

Listen to Tammy Matusi, KOMO. Court documents paint a deliberate and disturbing murder for hire scheme. Bellevue police say Sharon Kelly hired a 17-year-old boy to murder her ex-husband, Barron Lee, and offered to pay the teenager $13,000. Something like this is rare. It is rare. On the day of the shooting in July, police say the 17-year-old got his friend to drive him to the overlook at Lakemont Apartments

in Bellevue, where court documents say he was going to cap someone and empty the clip. Police say the 17-year-old gunman ambushed Lee, shooting him nine times. The victim fell to the ground. The suspect stood over him and continued to fire. According to court documents, Lee said he couldn't think of anyone who would want to kill him besides his ex-wife, saying they were in the midst of a very acrimonious custody battle that also included a financial motive for Kelly to have sole custody of their child. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why would a teen hunt down a 48-year-old dad, pumping him full of bullets at a public parking lot. We may have an answer. Listen to our friend at ABC's GMA, Eva Pilgrim. An alleged murder-for-hire plot exposed.

This morning, Shae Wren Kelly waking up behind bars after allegedly offering a 17-year-old thousands of dollars to kill her ex-husband. I looked to the right. I see somebody in a mask just running at me. I couldn't recognize whether it was a man or a woman or whatnot. Barron Lee says he's been embroiled in a bitter custody battle with his ex-wife. In July, as he was walking to his car at his home in Bellevue, Washington, police say a 17-year-old gunman shot at him 10 times,

nine bullets hitting him in the legs, arms, and chest. I was about a few feet away from my car, and I heard a pop. So I looked to the left, I didn't see anybody. And then I heard another one, and at the same time I looked right, but I ended up dropping my keys because I had been hit in my right arm. Police say the gunman shot Lee at point-blank range, but he survived. Straight out to Nicole Parton, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. All of this over a custody battle?

And how did the wife, Sharon Kelly, age 30, know these two teens? We're still trying to find out how she found the teens but when police captured her cell phone records email records they see this plot unfold she gives them detailed information about how she wants her husband killed she begins to tell them that she'll give them gps location and begins to plan to meet them in the park to pay them if they will kill her husband. To you, Joseph Scott Morgan, how does the GPS tracker work? Well, it's a global positioning device, Nancy. We're talking about, this is satellite technology. So if you just imagine you have a small electronic device that you can place on your car, this thing is going to bounce off of a satellite or it's

going to bounce off of, say, for instance, if you have it plugged in or coded to your phone, it'll come off of a cell tower potentially. And it's going to give you the ability to track an individual as they move. Nancy, you can pick these things up anywhere. I was just looking on Google. You can actually buy these right off of Amazon. They're pretty easy to get. This used to be really high-end technology. It did. Do you remember, Cheryl McCollum, all around, I guess it was Third Avenue, and I would go to Court TV in the morning, there was a couple of spy shops, and that was the hot technology, Cheryl, to get a GPS tracker. Exactly how do they work? What do they look like, Cheryl? They're very small, Nancy, and all you've

got to do, they have like a magnetized thing on the bottom. You can attach it to the back bumper and then there's an app that goes with your phone and you can track that car anywhere it goes. It's pretty simple. It's basically find my iPhone, if you will. I got to make one point. Jump. Because this is blowing my mind that this woman goes to a 17-year-old. Nancy, you can look under any desk at any high school. Teenagers are not responsible with chewing gum. How in God's name did she think a 17-year-old was going to be the person that she needed to hire for a hitman? My mind, it's laughable if it weren't so terribly sad for this man.

And that is a perfect cue to go to our shrink, Dr. Bethany Marshall. What was she thinking, Bethany? I was going to jump in right there anyway. Do you remember DiPolito, who also put a hit out on my husband? Dahlia DiPolito. But in this case, it was a police officer. So, you know, these people who want to murder their spouses are not the smartest tool in the shed or however we say it. I think the answer is, I don't know if you've seen her picture.

She's absolutely gorgeous, but she looks quite immature to me. And you know how we think about men who are... Wait, who's gorgeous and who's immature? Okay, the ex-wife of Baron Lee is beautiful. She looks a little bit like Nicole Kidman, a tiny, tiny bit. Just beautiful, long, reddish, blondish looking hair, perfect teeth, bluish green eyes. I mean, she is. She's physically beautiful.

But what does that have to do with anything? Well, where I was going with this is female perpetrators who either molest or bring young men or children into their sick, twisted world are often quite immature themselves. Remember the girl with the pinky pinky promise? What was her name? Oh, boy. She molested a young teenager. And you have her husband. That could have been anybody. Many, many, many times.

Yes. Yes. She was beautiful, but quite immature. LaFave. You're talking about Debra LaFave. That's right. So I would imagine that Baron Lee's ex-wife,wife, who again is gorgeous, was probably quite immature and maybe low IQ, not thinking things through, just only had one goal in mind, which was to have her husband dead. She never even thought through the fact that a teenager would not be able to carry this out. For all I know, she was having an affair with the teenager

or some kind of a love relationship or sexual relationship. Well, it's interesting that you're saying, you're commenting on the wife, the ex-wife's immaturity, and she hires a 17-year-old to commit a murder and get away with it. And speaking of getting away with it, take a listen to our friend Eva Pilgrim, ABC GMA. Police say surveillance video near the scene captured the license plate of the getaway truck, leading detectives to the shooter, who according to court documents, was going to be paid over $13,000 for his role in the shooting. According to that document, the shooter offered to pay the driver another 17-year-old between four and six thousand dollars for driving the escape vehicle.

Court documents also say there was a tracking device purchased by Kelly on Lee's car and that the alleged teen gunman had forwarded himself an email containing a link to a GPS monitoring company's login web page the night before the shooting. The two detectives went downstairs to the vehicle, the victim's vehicle that we had seized the day of the shooting, looked underneath and there was the GPS tracker. This morning, he is grateful that he survived and is still here to raise his family. I don't think there's very many people shot as many times as I have and in the condition I am, talking and breathing.

So, you know, appreciate that. Idiot, idiot, idiot. You know, you don't get to say that very often and really mean it, but he actually forwarded himself the link to the GPS device exactly like the one found stuck up under the victim's car. As I always say, unless you want to see it on page six of the New York Post, do not put it in writing. You know, the other day, Cheryl McCollum, I always look at something called Good Sense to figure out if the twins can watch a certain movie.

And I can't remember what movie it was. It's something about high school students, which they love because they think high school is this magical, mystical place. So I look up, is there sex in movie X? And of course, when Lucy uses my iPad that night to look up some kind of banana bread recipe, there it is. Is there sex? Sex scenes in something, whatever the movie was. I noticed the way she looked at me. She didn't say anything, but I know that's what she saw.

Anyway, my point is the idiot typed in and forwarded the link to himself. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a dad gunned down at least nine, maybe 12 times, apparently orchestrated by his wife in a custody battle. And she hires not one, but two teens. Talk about not being able to keep a secret, Cheryl. Well, she had to employ the second one because the first one didn't have a car. So, you know, when you're looking for hit men, it's important that they have their own transportation. So keep that in mind. Can everybody just excuse us and forgive us? Isn't it true, Wendy Pratchett, California prosecutor,

radio host, author? We don't get to smile very much in our line of business. So just let us be happy for one moment when we have a victim that lived to tell the tale. We're not callous. It's just we so rarely get to be happy about anything, Wendy. It's true. You know, we have to find the silver lining in stories. And, I mean, the huge silver lining here is that, thank God, the victim survived. You know, one of the other reasons that the perpetrator hired two young boys

is they would accept less money to pull off the hits. So we've talked about how juvenile it was, how rookie it was. Well, yeah, because there wasn't the kind of money exchange that you would expect for professional assassin. Now, that ended up being just a thankful circumstance. You're absolutely right. It is a silver lining here. We can celebrate and maybe even laugh about it a

little bit for comedy that you do have him telling the story because he's still alive. Well, I don't think that Baron Lee would be too happy with us smiling, but I'm looking at a picture of him right now. Standing, praise the Lord, beside his hospital bed, all strapped in with

all sorts of sling on this arm, shoulder brace, blah, blah. The guy sustained nine to 12 bullet wounds. You were saying, Cheryl, before I so rudely interrupted about hiring not one but two teens, and he forwarded himself the link to the tracking device? He forwarded himself the link. He had to get a buddy to drive him because he didn't have a car. He is texting back and forth.

He leaves his cell phone on and takes it with him. So now law enforcement knows he made the round trip from Mount Vernon to the crime scene. They know he was in that apartment complex. His buddy's car, they didn't even bother to remove the tag while they went and did it, so they were able to find him pretty quick. In his room, they have all the stuff on his computer on his phone the text messages the emails etc it's a plethora of information and evidence that law enforcement has been able to get because this kid is 17 ergo stupid and he does things like tells his friend i gotta go cap

somebody and empty the clip. Okay, he doesn't even know the difference of a clip and a magazine. And you don't even know what you're doing to this family. You don't know what you're fixing to do not only to your life, but your dumb friend that's driving you. The whole thing is so asinine. I cannot help but make fun of this woman and these two teenagers. Idiots, idiots, idiots. Long story short, the part about texting, I got to go cap this guy. Somebody's been watching too many thrillers on TV. How would I even know how to say something like that? We were shocked to learn that the mother

of this man's child in the middle of a very acrimonious custody dispute allegedly was the mastermind, if you could call it that, of the murder plot. But it's not the first time a very similar plot hit the headlines. Take a listen to Juju Chang, ABC 2020. The police definitely don't believe Pam Smart. There's a whole lot of smoke, but no fire yet. They have the videotaped interview from a high school kid who said she offered $500 for murder. They find her interview peculiar, but none of this adds up to murder until they make a stunning connection. So these boys, it turns out, are students at the same school where Pam Smart works. Not only do these kids go to Winnicott High School where

Pamela Smart works, she's close to them because she's working on a school project with them. Now there's a connection. There's a connection between the gun, the three boys, and Pamela Smart. The Pamela Smart case hit the headlines where a, I guess, a teacher of sorts, she was more an administrative personnel that took over the, let me say, media program at a local school, connected to the brutal murder of her husband, only married one year. In fact, it was such a sensational story, and it's quite the co-incuding that in one of her photos,

this suspect, Sharon Kelly, looks so much like Nicole Kidman. Take a listen to a Nicole Kidman movie trailer to die for. To be a star. You've got to be able to do things that ordinary people wouldn't do. Was the opportunity she would kill for. And that's exactly what she did. Nothing is going to stop her. Did you get the gun? Yeah. That is the voice of Nicole Kidman in To Die For, but it's based on a true story of Pam Smart. Take a listen. You know, in every big trial, there's that one aha moment, the moment everybody remembers.

With Simpson, it was the glove. In this case, it was Pam Smart in a white strapless bikini posing suggestively on a bed. As if this super sensational trial isn't crazy enough already. My God. They were made between her and a friend, a girlfriend, for a modeling contest. They took photos of each other. Those photographs made it into court and the prosecution claimed that she had deliberately taken those to be seductive, to get Billy Flynn to do her bidding, to kill her husband. The Pam Smart case made all the headlines and apparently Sharon Kelly saw the movie to die for.

We'll find out about that when this case heads to trial. To Nicole Parton, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, where does the case stand right now? Because if these two idgit teens were texting back and forth, you know there has to be text between the mastermind, if I can call her that, Sharon Kelly, and the teens. Absolutely. There was a lot of text messages and emails back and forth. Even after the father, Baron Lee, had been attacked,

we have text messages coming in from the gunman, Joseph Good, coming into the ex-wife saying, when can I get paid? And Kelly replies, the job was unfinished. We need to finish the job. So even after this father has been attacked, shot nine times because he didn't die, she continued to plan another hit on him. She says in one of those texts after she has learned that he may have their victim may have survived, you, quote, will need to complete unless it resolves on its own. After her ex was in the hospital, Baron Lee walking to his car early in the morning

when he sustains multiple gunshot wounds. What more do we know about the evidence to Nicole Parton? I know there's video surveillance of the vehicle the teens were driving where they got the car tag number. We know that there are texts.

We know that there's the GPS locator that the one teen emailed to himself. I assume the wife bought the GPS locator. She did. So when authorities began to look into her computer records, they saw where she had ordered and purchased the exact model of the GPS tracker that was found on Barron Lee's car. And also when the surveillance led them back to the getaway car, the 17-year-old driver of that car or truck, Quincy Mendez, had borrowed the truck from his dad. When they questioned the young man, he began to talk and he began to tell them exactly what had happened. And why is it you can't teach an old dog a new trick, Dr. Bethany Marshall? Because court documents show that when the first attempt

by Sherry Kelly to kill her husband failed, she immediately began planning a second attempt. Well, I would wonder what was the motivation? Was it to wipe him off the face of the earth, as we see in so many domestic homicides? Was it the custody battle? Was it financially motivated? I really want to know what is inside the mind of this woman. I'm pretty sure she was seductive with those two boys. I was already thinking that. And then you played the clip of Nicole Kidman being very seductive. So somehow, I'm not quite sure how I made that link, but I'm pretty sure that happened too. And you know, with women who are borderline, they have no sense of time. Sometimes I have a borderline woman that comes into my office.

That's a severe personality disorder that causes oceanic rage. They'll say, and then my husband yelled at me and I'll say, and when was that? And they'll say, well, 1982. Oh, dear Lord in heaven. And then I'm like, borderline, they plot and plan revenge forever. It's endless. Well, as a matter of fact, this one bonded out and the prosecutors argued for her to be put back in jail because her attempt to kill her husband was ongoing. We wait as justice unfolds.

Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.