Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Dad Tells Daughter 'Mommy's in Mental Hospital,' But No Trace of Mom

Episode Date: July 15, 2022

Ellie and Angela Green were like many mothers and daughters. Sometimes they argued.  Ellie Green had just returned from Italy, after studying abroad. That’s when the argument happens. Ellie stays with her boyfriend's family for a few days, and with no word from her mother,  Ellie texts her father.  Geoffrey Green’s reply says Angela has been committed to a psychiatric hospital and asks Ellie not to visit yet.  Over the next three weeks, Geoffrey Green shares no information about Angela Green’s treatment. Then, on July 16, Green shows up at the home Ellie shares with her boyfriend and his family with news that Angela has died of a stroke in the hospital.  He asks Ellie not to tell Angela’s family, who lives in New York.  He will do that, just not yet.  Months passed and no funeral service was planned, no obituary was published, and no one informed Angela's family of her passing.  When they ask for a copy of Angela Green’s death certificate. Ellie goes herself, to the records office to get it. There isn't one... in the entire state of Kansas.   Joining Nancy Grace Today: Dale Carson - High Profile Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, Former Police Officer, Author: "Arrest-Proof Yourself, DaleCarsonLaw.com  Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, CarynStark.com, Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark"   Dan Corsentino - Former Police Chief, Former Sheriff, Served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, Private Investigator www.dancorsentino.com   Mary Henn - Associate Editor, Kansas City Magazine, Essay: ‘Where Is Angela Green?" Kansascitymag.com, Instagram: @kansascitymagazine See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A prairie village woman seemingly vanishes into thin air. Now think about it. This is a town of about 20,000 people. Where is Angela? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. First of all, take a listen to our friends at Fox 4 Kansas City. Neighbor safe Angela Green was devoted to her daughter and to her neighborhood near 76th and Nall. When she wasn't out gardening in her own yard, she tended to the Tomahawk Rhode Islands, helping to clean them up. When the summer came up and Angela wasn't out as usual, I'd asked other neighbors and they thought maybe she had gone to China. Police say the native of China hasn't been seen since June 19th and was just reported missing by someone last week, eight months later.

Eight months later? That's like Humpty Dumpty. All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again. Time in a missing person's case is of the essence. We've heard the stat a million times before. Very often a kidnapped person can be killed within the first 72 hours. That's why they're so critical. And think about it. If someone has been kidnapped 60 MPH with every hour, they could be getting further and further away to a point they can never be found again. And now we find out there's an eight month delay. Well, I think I know why there was an eight month delay, but I want you to hear it all yourself with me and I'll start panel to make

sense of what we know right now but first I'm going to go to Mary Hinn associate editor Kansas City Magazine she is the one that brought this to my attention through an essay she wrote called where is Angela Green I happen to find it on the kansascitymag.com website. You know, Mary Ann, thank you for being with us, joining us from Kansas City. Mary, a lot of people are wondering why there was an eight-month delay in reporting Angela missing. But I want to go back to something that we just heard from our friends at Fox 4KC Kansas City. It was pointed out, and I'm not really sure why, that she, Angela, is Chinese. But she, Angela, had lived here for years and years and years,

created a family. I mean, I'm looking right now at photos you, Mary Hinn, included in your essay, and I'm looking at her. You could change the faces in these photos, and it would be me with the twins, one or two of them. You've got her in the hospital, and she's got her baby, Ellie, on her chest right after she's given birth. There she is riding her piggyback.

There they are at Christmas when Ellie's just a little baby girl at the Christmas tree. They're very, very poignant. This is a woman who spent many, many years and created a life here in the U.S. Tell me, Mary, about her coming here and assimilating and having a child here in the U.S. That little girl now, Ellie. Right. So as you said, Angela, you know, she's been in the United States for more than 20 years at the time of her disappearance. She didn't even really have family in China. Most of her family had moved to New York. You know, she had, she didn't visit China. She lived in the same house her, you know, entire American life. You know, I'm thinking about the neighbors, Mary Hinn, and let me go to you,

Karen Stark. Karen Stark joining me, a renowned psychologist joining us from Manhattan. You can find her at KarenStark.com. That's Karen with a C. Karen, nice to have you joining us today, as always. I agree with almost everything you say. But let me talk to you about this. Sure.

Here's a good example. My son, John David, has a really close friend, Amey. And Amey and his whole family left to go visit relatives in India, where the mom and the dad are from. And he is going to be gone over a month. And I'm wondering, you know how I blast neighbors that they're like, the monkeys see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. And you can see children are not out in the yard. They're not catching the school bus. You don't hear them playing. You don't hear the door slamming or playing basketball,

anything you expect to hear outside. And remember the House of Horrors? Remember them, the Turpin family? How many children did they have, Jackie? A lot. I don't think it was 17. I want to say 11. You look it up.

Okay, if I were a betting woman, Jackie, I would bet a dollar with you, but I'm not going to do that. And none of the neighbors said a darn thing. And all the while, these children were inside getting horribly abused, starved, chained to their beds, mistreated, locked in closets, the works. So I'm always blasting neighbors. But in this case, if neighbors thought that she, Angela, had gone home to visit China, that's not unusual to be gone for one month, three months, an extended period of time. So I'm going to give the neighbors a break on this one. Yes, that makes sense to me, Nancy. I think the most telling part of this is that she had a very, very close relationship with her daughter.

And the fact that she has this close relationship with her child, and you know about that, how would she possibly not be in touch with her at all? Or take the child with, take the daughter with. You really think I'm going to go anywhere? You know my rule. I don't want to be gone over one night away from the twins. One night, I'm in pure anguish. They seem to be doing fine with it, Karen Stark. I'm the one that has a problem. So how many turpin children were there? 13. Aha. So neither one of us were right, but I was closer. I was closer. I want my imaginary dollar, Jackie. So I'm trying to figure out why the neighbors wouldn't have said anything.

Leaving and not taking the daughter with you, I think that is a sign, but I don't know that the neighbors knew that. But you know another thing, Karen Starkey, that's why I threw this to you because you're the shrink. I think people don't want to see anything wrong. Where I see a stranger behind every tree, a lot of people want to just live, you know, fat, dumb, and happy. They don't want to know something bad is lurking next door, that someone could be in distress. They don't want to think about it. They don't, you know what, let me be blunt. They don't want to be bothered, Karen Stark. They don't want to be bothered. And I also think that people tell themselves, well, it really isn't any of my business. You know, maybe they didn't really, she didn't have a relationship with the neighbors.

Although you did mention, and we know, Nancy, that she would spend some time, I think you mentioned it, she would love to be in the garden and she tended places around her house. But I think that people are, they kind of keep to themselves unless one person starts to speak out. And then all of a sudden, everybody joins in. Well, I do have to give them one more break. Dale Carson is joining me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville. This is something I really like about Del Carson. Not only does he know the law, although you're totally on the wrong side of the law,

but former fed with the FBI. He's the author of Arrest Proof Yourself and you can find him at delcarsonlaw.com. I've got to give the neighbors another break because when she went missing, when Angela goes missing, the daughter was no longer an infant. So I can't really blame the neighbors for not putting two and two together and saying, wow, she didn't take her daughter.

Her daughter was already of the age where she was studying abroad. So that's I can't blame them. But do you find, Dale Carson, that generally speaking, neighbors don't want to notice anything is wrong? Well, that's true, and if you don't know anything, you can't be responsible, right? I think people

are denying responsibility for their neighbors. If you don't know, then you won't be responsible for not doing anything, and that went on for eight months. You know, I want you to hear the daughter who has become a central fixture in this case, as she should be. Take a listen to our Cut 15. This is Ellie Green speaking to our friend Mary Hinn at the Kansas City Star. My mom is Angela Green, and she came from China in her 20s,

married my dad, and then had me a couple years later. And she basically gave her life to me. She put all of her time and effort into raising me and making me the best that I could be. So she is amazing and like she would give everything to people without really wanting much in return. June 20th we got into typical like mother-daughter little argument about something insignificant I don't even remember.

She wanted to kick me out, and I didn't understand why that was really. I didn't know if there was something mental going on. I knew she really missed me throughout college. Then June 20th I left and I never saw her again in person. Yeah. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. To Mary Hinn joining me,

associate editor of Kansas City Magazine. Her essay, Where Is Angela Green, is phenomenal. Mary, describe for me Ellie's demeanor when she was talking about never seeing her mother again. They have a spat. The mom says, well, you know what, if you're not happy, just leave. And then she takes it upon herself to leave, as I could imagine somebody at that age would do, and flounce out. She goes to her boyfriend's house. She never sees her mother again. Tell me her demeanor when she was describing this. You know, I talked to Ellie around Christmas time, and that was Angela's favorite time of year.

And I think, you know, Ellie was kind of keenly aware of that. She thought spoken a little bit passive, you know, what happened to her mother. You know, Dan Corsentino is with me, former police chief, former sheriff, served on U.S. Homeland Senior Security Advisory Board, now a PI, private investigator, at DanCorsentino.com. Dan, you know, it's one thing to lose someone you love. That's bad enough. But then to never know what happened to them. So you're, I remember after my fiance Keith was murdered, I would have dreams and still do actually to this day that he wasn't really killed. He just left me. And I wake up all upset

and conflicted thinking, well, wow, would you be happier if he had died as opposed to just left you? Are your feelings of abandonment more important than what happened to him, his murder? And I mean, I, you know, Karen, you can weigh on this later, but I think that's a struggle that you have inside when you don't really know exactly what happened. At least I know that Keith was murdered. I was at the funeral. But to live, Dan Corsentino, and you've seen this a lot with families, children, wives, that never know what happened.

That's just got to be awful. Well, there's never closure. And they become eternal victims themselves. That's self-perpetuating because they hold themselves sometimes responsible because they think perhaps they should have known. They should have known something. What was the tipping point? What did they miss? And to your point absolutely they're empty inside and they relive it day and day again we've had so many people that have in murder cases vanished in other cases uh domestic

they have not been seen in the family members become for as long as until there's closure in that case. They they just cannot deal with it in a proper way. You know, Karen Stark, I agree with everything he said. Can you explain the thinking that victims go through when they never know? Like in this case, Ellie, You just heard Mary Hinn from the Kansas City Magazine describing what she was going through, how Christmas brought it all back in her mind. What do these people go through that never have any idea? Did she just walk out on me? Did she leave me and dad? Is she dead? Did she start a new life somewhere else?

Have you ever wanted to go back and look up somebody you went to elementary school with or kindergarten and think, wow, whatever happened to so-and-so? Can you imagine scouring the Internet every day trying to find out where's your mother? Look at the story with you and Keith, Nancy, and you actually knew what happened to him, but you weren't there. And even that causes a response where you keep thinking maybe he left you. Here she is. She had an argument with her mother. I can't think of anything worse than you have a fight with somebody and then they disappear and you never see them again.

And so, of course, there's a part of her that's going to hold herself responsible. What if we didn't have a fight that day? What if I didn't leave and had stayed with her? All that guilt, Karen. Horrible. And people, when someone dies, there's a natural response in the beginning to feel guilt to begin with. You know, I should have been nicer. I should have said that.

What about that day? Or the other day? You can't help it. Your mind just keeps replaying it. But here's the situation where she doesn't know where her mother is. And the worst part, Nancy, really the worst part, is that she still has a little bit of hope. I have no doubt that maybe her mother will show up. Well, a development.

Take a listen to Hour Cut 16. This is Ellie speaking with Kansas City. So I went to my boyfriend Zach Krause's house, and I ended up staying with him for the rest of the summer. What turned out was that my dad said that she had been taken away, taken to a mental institution hospital. He did not want me visiting her until she was better. Okay, right, right there. Mary Hinn joining me, associate editor of Kansas City Magazine, who started my quest to try to find out what happened to Angela

Green. Mary taken away. So the daughter has a spat with mom. She goes to boyfriend's house. She stays there the rest of the summer. There's just a few weeks left in the summer. And then dad says she had a mental breakdown.

Don't go see her until she's better wow okay did did she have a history of mental illness there is no um you know record um on paper that angela green had um you know serious mental health issues um they kind of described her as being a bit of a recluse and said that she at times exhibited some odd behaviors. Like she didn't really like to go to the grocery store alone, for instance. She didn't like driving. She really kind of liked to stay at home.

Okay, right there. I just want to stop. Dale Carson. I hate, I hate going shopping. In fact, I feel like a bad mother because Lucy's like, hey, can we go shopping? I'm like, yeah. And I'll actually arrange play dates so Lucy can go shopping with her friends. Translation, so I don't have to go in a mall. They're the devil. Do I want to go to the grocery store? Well, the pandemic totally ruined me because I have it delivered whenever I can, wherever I can find it cheap enough to deliver. Long story short, I don't find any of that unusual. And did the relatives ever think maybe it was them? Maybe she just didn't want to be around them? I mean, think about it, Dale Carson. None of that sounds odd to me at all. Well, I don't think it's necessarily odd, but the fact that she didn't like to leave the house

runs in the face of her leaving and just going away. Oh, it really does. As far as mental illness, though, I mean, Karen Stark, let me ask you. You're joining us from Manhattan. Would you rather stay in your awesome apartment with all those dogs that bark their heads off with a nice cup of latte? Or do you want to go down your elevator and go out on the city streets where they probably haven't picked up the trash yet and fight your way through the crowd to get to the grocery store

where you could, what, Dag Steno's, where you could easily have it delivered for like a $5 fee? I mean, which one would you pick? Well, personally, I don't like going to the grocery store. It's just not something that I do. I really, I'd rather order something and I'm not a cook. I know. I forgot about the fact that you don't like, you don't, let me just say,

cooking is not your favorite thing to do. But I mean, I don't find any of this odd. Yeah. favorite thing to do. But I mean, I don't find any of this odd. It would be odd if she was a person who never would leave her house. Right. And I'm just not getting that. But to just suddenly tell your daughter, hey, your mom just got committed to a mental institution where she has no history of mental illness. And just, no, something is screaming this is all wrong. Okay to this on July 16th he

pulled up to Zach's house and told me that Angela died of a stroke and then I basically fell to my knees in the driveway and didn't have any words, couldn't cry. I was just in shock. He did not want to have a funeral or memorial service. Dear Lord in heaven, can you even imagine telling your daughter first, Mom went to a mental institution. She threw a big fit in the parking lot. don't go see her until she's better and then driving up to your daughter and going oh yeah she died of a stroke. Mary Hinn joining me associate editor Kansas City Magazine who

sparked my whole inquiry into what happened to Angela Green. How old would Angela have been at the time she had a stroke? About 51. That's how old she was when, yeah, at the time of all of this. A stroke. I mean, is that normal to have a stroke at age 51 with no history of hypertension? I mean, none of this seems normal, right? And just real quick to your previous point, when I talked to Ellie, she did say that while she might have noticed that her mom may have had a few odd behaviors, she never imagined that that would be enough

to hospitalize her due to mental health issues. Absolutely. Well, everything spins out even more. Take a listen again to Ellie Green. I called up my Aunt Catherine. I couldn't even say anything at first, and I just cried for a whole minute. And then I told her for a whole minute. And then I told her her sister had died.

And she was so confused. And she asked like, why hasn't Jeff told us this and I said because he doesn't want to. And her mind started racing about like funeral arrangements and she had to fly down here and I told her it was back in July and she said, what? To just like bring her that news, it's just horrible. Adele Carson, I've got all kinds of alarms going off in my head. Why would you not tell your wife's sister that she's dead of a stroke? You know what this is reminding me of?

Totmom, Casey Anthony, where Totmom claims that Kaylee was taken by the babysitter, but she was doing her own private investigation and waited for a month until her mom found out that Kelly was missing. Or, oh, here's another one, Tottenham, also Tottenham related, where the new theory at trial was that Kelly died in the pool where she accidentally fell in. And instead of telling people Kelly has passed away, she drowned in the pool, having a funeral, letting family and friends know about the tragedy top mom's theory was her father a former cop fished the body out of the pool threw it in a trash bag and threw it in the woods that doesn't make sense no of course not and first you have the eight month delay in notifying anyone Then you have the follow-up of the father, the husband, saying,

well, she died or she's taken to the mental institution, things that can't easily be verified. So those are the three red flags that tell us that he knows way more than he's safe. You know, another thing, Dan Corsentino, former police chief, former sheriff, U.S. Homeland Security, now private eye. Dan, I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but have you ever noticed, I've got two women here in the studio with me. Have you ever noticed that you hear how women become, quote, hysterical? I remember a movie that was titled Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown. You never hear,

oh, he just was hysterical. We had to put him in a mental institution. You never hear that. It's always the woman who's crazy and hysterical and is forced into a mental institution and oops, whoops, she died. Why is that, Dan Corcentino? You're the former police chief, the former sheriff. Why is it just us women are the ones that are hysterical all the time? Well, I don't think women are the only ones before we die yeah oh i i don't know if that's completely true i do know you don't know if it's completely true that we're just the women are hysterical it's not true correction men are hysterical men are hystericalical. And men have great passion, great emotion. They display that, and it's an unfair comment.

But in this case, as many cases, it's very calculating. Dan Corcentino, you just said that so much better than I was saying it. I was angry that women are always pegged as emotional, hysterical. Oh, hey, you know what, Jackie? It must have been her period. She was nutting up. She was, quote, hormonal. If I hear that one more time, I guess I'll just get hysterical. Mary Ann, the whole, she goes to a mental institution and then she dies. But the

not telling the relatives, not telling Angela's own sister that she had passed, to me is a huge red flag. When you heard that, what was your reaction? And does Angela understand how wrong that is? Yeah, I mean, my first thought is to ask why. Why didn't he tell family?

And that's something that I asked Ellie. And her response was sort of, you know, that her father kind of expressed that he wasn't ready. He wasn't ready to tell them. And then my other thought was, well, if this is her family, why are they sort of okay with going eight months without hearing from her, right? Seven, eight months without hearing anything from her. And apparently, you know, by this point in time, Angela had been kind of withdrawn from her family. They had moved to New York from Kansas, were kind of living their own lives. And it wasn't uncommon that they would go months without talking to each other, even on the phone.

That's a really good point, Mary, because I thought the same thing. You don't talk to your sister for eight months and there's nothing wrong with that. But apparently they had that relationship where they were not very close. One's in New York. One is in Kansas. And they just don't they just don't talk that much. You know, I see a lot of people, Mary, when they have their own family, they kind of discard their siblings. And maybe that's what happened here or maybe it was the other way around but i'll tell

you now we're getting into conflicting stories take a listen to dave demarco box for kc when neighbors reached out to the couple's daughter away at college she texted he said her dad told her that her mom died of a stroke in July, but that she thinks that may not be the case. We have some conflicting statements about her whereabouts that's a little concerning for us. So we have some more information, yeah. It's very kind of disturbing. And some neighbors just don't believe what they're hearing. I guarantee you she did not have a stroke. So again, police are calling this a missing persons investigation and asking anyone who has seen Angela Green to contact them. She's a 5 foot 9 inches tall Asian woman, 116 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes.

You can call the Prairie Village Police Department here or the Crime Stoppers Tips hotline at 816-474-TIPS. You know, I love what that neighbor said. I guarantee you she did not have a stroke. Did you hear the neighbor say that, Jack? I guarantee you she did not have a stroke. You know, very often when I argue to juries, I ask them to use their common sense. Nobody believes this woman had a stroke.

Can I tell you, there's always a trail if you know where to look. Take a listen to our friends at the Kansas City Star speaking to Allie Green. My mom's family asked me for a death certificate. So I went to Topeka and I asked if they could find one. And he said that there wasn't any record of her death. There wasn't any record of her death in the state of Kansas. Because I knew when there was no death certificate that my stomach sank and something was wrong. Then I went to the police.

I filed a missing persons report. I wish I had closure to this. I don't believe she's alive anymore. I think she would reach out to me, have some sort of contact with me. There would be some trace of her somewhere. She wouldn't just leave home without her driver's license or passport or phone or car. That seems really strange to me. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

To Mary Hinn, Associate editor of Kansas City Magazine, you can't have a legal cremation without a death certificate. That's against the law. That is against the law. Who declared her dead? Where was she supposed to have died? Was there an autopsy? Was she in a medical hospital?

Is there any trace of Angela to suggest she really passed away, that she really was cremated, that there was ever a death certificate yeah there's there's no trace nancy um no death certificate for angela green was found in the state of kansas um or in the entire u.s uh no death certificate exists for angela green are you sure yes that was i mean that was according to police. They investigated that after Ellie went on her own and searched for a death certificate for a mother in the state of Kansas. There wasn't one. And then later police did a nationwide search for a death certificate and there was not one. Take a listen to our friend Sheree Honeycutt, Fox 4. Green also told his daughters Angela's ashes were delivered to the home, but he'd never made arrangements to have her cremated.

In another call, Ellie points that out to her dad. Did you look into a death certificate after mom passed away, after you got that phone call? No, I did not. I figured that when the time came to where a death certificate was needed, and that could have been the taxes. Well, the death certificate is needed when you cremate somebody. Yeah, but I don't know that I need to get a death certificate for cremation. I don't have a clue how that all works. And you chose not to look it up and research anything about it? No.

Funeral directors say they won't make that decision for a family. They can't. Is there ever an instance in Kansas where someone could be cremated legally without a cremator's permit? No. Funeral homes want to make sure, crematories want to make sure, number one, they have a correct body, that the family does want the cremation, and they obviously don't want to cremate someone where the person who has authority to make those decisions isn't signing off on it. Back to Mary Hinn joining us from Kansas City. Mary, that is actually the husband, Jeff's voice. How was that obtained?

That was husband Jeff Green speaking to the daughter Ellie, correct? Yes. Yes. That was a phone conversation, a recorded phone conversation between Jeff and Ellie. If you've been following this case, you know that Jeff has from the beginning not said a word to police. So there aren't any recordings of Jeff, you know, speaking to police or going on record. He has not done that. Ellie did take the liberty, the initiative to record phone calls with her father. And that's what you're hearing there in that recording. So he's basically saying that someone else just delivered the cremated remains that he never asked for his wife to be cremated? Yeah, that was sort of a story that he apparently gave to his daughter, Ellie, that Angela had been cremated after her death, after having a stroke in the hospital.

There was even an urn in the family home. But later, that urn was found to be empty and all the time he had implied that those were his wife's ashes according to ellie okay okay take a listen our cut nine fox four in this text message that's never been made public jeff tells his daughter ellie he has angela taken to a mental health facility the handoff to care workers happens in the parking lot of a supermarket. However, later, he says that never happened. You literally told me that she was not taken away in a public parking lot with people. Well, I thought that I was going to try and do that,

and then I figured that that may not be the best thing. So I told her that I was going to have people come and pick her up, and she was going to go to the hospital. Anytime law enforcement looks at changing stories, it raises suspicion. Without evidence, I wouldn't dare say he did it. And I wouldn't say it's not possible. There's no other explanation. Dale Carson joining me, former Fed with the FBI, now high profile lawyer joining me out of Jacksonville.

Dale Carson, it's one thing to add to your story under the right questioning. I would assume facts would be added. But to change your story is a whole nother animal. No question that when you're interviewed by whoever it is and you are giving answers to reasonable questions and they're all turned around backwards. It's as though the person asking the questions, why would you ask me that question when you know what the answer is going to be? And the answers are invalid. There's no reason in the world to answer by saying she was taken away and then she died and we got her ashes, But we don't know where she was taken away to.

We don't know how she was taken. We don't know how she actually died. And we know one thing, Dale Carson, she wasn't cremated. There's nothing in that urn. Nothing. That's a fact. You know, Mary Hinn, do they still, does the father, Jeff Green, still live in the same home that he was living in when his wife, Angela, had a stroke? Yeah, to my knowledge, he is still living in their Prairie Village home in Case Smith. You know, Dan Corsentino, did you hear what Mary Hinn just said?

They need to be tearing that home up board by board. I agree 100%. I think that the investigation from the amount of time that passed of eight months has been inconclusive because the police haven't got in

and done a thorough search. And I agree with that. Okay. Is it true, Mary Hinn, that at some point the husband, Jeff Green, changes his story and says his wife ran away with another man? Maybe that's what happened? Yeah. So that's certainly the information that I got from Ellie.

So this whole time his story has been changing. He's been changing the narrative as, you know, related to Ellie. Again, he has refused to cooperate with law enforcement. So we don't have, you know, an official record of that. But we do have, as you just played, recorded phone calls we have text messages to ellie um and it's very obvious that he uh has lied somewhere down the line that his story you know the very least that his story has changed uh several times what was his story about her running away with another man yeah um he so after all of this uh sort of starts surfacing and ellie and and angela's family kind of start digging for answers um jeff starts to tell ellie that he

might have seen angela around their home in prairie village at the end of 2019, that she ran off with friends, that she left the house, you know, and that someone picked her up in a car. Wow, you know what that sounds like? To you, Karen Stark, it sounds like exactly like what Drew Peterson said about his fourth wife, Stacey Peterson, whose body has never been found. He was finally tried for the murder of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, who was found drowned in a bone-dry bathtub. She was exhumed, and a jury convicted him of murder. But he also said that fourth wife, Stacy, just left on foot. A car came and got her.

She left behind all of her stuff, all of her clothes, everything, their children, her children, to be with another man. And she's never been seen again. Well, Nancy, I mean, what makes sense out of all of this? It changes the story over and over again. Here's a woman who doesn't leave the house that much. I mean, everyone is saying she doesn't like to go out, her daughter says. And

somehow, after she, he said she's been committed, then she's dead, then she left in a car with somebody else. There's no birth certificate. No death certificate. None of it. And it's so convenient that oh suddenly she has a boyfriend guys take a listen to our cut 11 our friend dylan thomas at cbs4 colorado

this weekend a new miss colorado usa will be crowned right here on the stage behind me in greeley each contestant comes with a unique story and a different cause which they are backing but for one contestant, she says this stage behind me will give her the opportunity to bring a voice to those who no longer have one. Pageants, they aren't for the faint of heart, but for first-time contestant Ellie Green. The excitement and also the reasons I'm doing this, they cancel out those nerves. The Miss Colorado USA pageant gives contestants like Ellie a platform, a platform Ellie hopes to share with her mother. I'm advocating for my mom because she doesn't

have a voice. She disappeared about two years ago and I still don't know where she is or what happened to her. Two years ago, Angela Green went missing near Kansas City. Ellie's father told her Angela had been unexpectedly hospitalized hospitalized later saying she had passed away but then when no death record could be found he changed the story saying angela was actually alive but had run away mary hen that proves that you can look as she does absolutely stunning and beautiful like you've got the world at your feet. Here she is competing in Miss Colorado. And even as she is on the stage in all of her finery, she is missing her mother desperately.

What are police doing to solve the case, Mary? That's a great question, Nancy. And that's something that I've asked, that's something Michelle, Angela's niece, has been asking, that's something Ellie has been asking. They want answers. They want some closure. And, you know, I believe Prairie Village Police said in July 2020 that they had exhausted over 200 leads and that the case was officially cold. Have they torn apart the house? Well, the thing about that is Jeff had multiple properties.

So they did a search of the Prairie Village home and later searched another home that he had in Lawrence. But there's some questionable things kind of surrounding the search of that Lawrence property. You know what? This case needs to be reopened. If you have information, dial 913-642-6868 or Crime Stoppers 816-474-TIPS, T-I-P-S, 8477. Where is Angela? Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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