Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DAD'S GRIEF SWITCHING OFF DAUGHTER'S LIFE SUPPORT: BOYFRIEND WALKS FREE

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Zahriya Moreno and Angelito Olivas have been dating for over a year. During a heated argument, Zahriya climbs onto the trunk of Olivas’ car. Despite knowing she is on the car, Olivas floors it and d...rives off. He doesn't stop until he realizes Zahriya is no longer on the vehicle—she has been thrown off. Backtracking, Olivas finds Zahriya on the ground, completely unresponsive after being hurled from the moving vehicle. Angelito Olivas then loads his unresponsive girlfriend into his car and drives her to the Drexel Heights Fire Department in Tucson. The 22-year-old is unresponsive and in extremely critical condition. She is immediately transported to the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Zahriya Moreno is kept alive artificially so her organs can be donated. Angelito Olivas is arrested on charges of felony domestic violence, aggravated assault, and felony endangerment. However, outrage erupts when Olivas is granted a $2,500 bond and walks free the same day he’s arrested. Joining Nancy Grace today: Robert Moreno - Father   Carmen Moreno - Mother  Prisella Frisby - Family Attorney  Kelsey McKay, J.D.– Former Prosecutor/Victims’ Rights Attorney, Founder of McKay Training & Consulting and Respond Against Violence (non-profit); IG& FB: Respond Against Violence Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth) and Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Mary Coleman - 13 News Evening Anchor, Crime Files Investigator; FB: www.facebook.com/maryreports/ IG: @marycolemannews   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I Heart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A father's grief. A father's grief at switching off his daughter's life support. This as her boyfriend walks free. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Starting point is 00:00:32 A heated argument takes a turn for the worst when 22-year-old Arizona woman Zariah jumps on the back of her boyfriend's car, the boyfriend then speeding off with Zariah still on it. And that's not the end. Why was she on the car? Was there a heated argument where she felt she had to try to get away from him? Whatever the reason, it doesn't matter. Knowing full well, Zariah, just 22 years old, gorgeous and a twin, a twin. She's got a twin brother, Zariah and her twin brother so close before he passes away. She goes on in life, making her parents proud, completing school. Look at them, the twins. Why? Why? Knowing she's on his car. Then he put the pedal to the metal and scratch off.
Starting point is 00:01:48 Of course, she's thrown to the ground. He keeps going and finally goes back. He knows what he's done and he goes back and finds her completely unresponsive. Then dumps her at a fire station. She lingers in a coma until her father turns the switch and takes her off life support. That's bad enough. There is her dad who is joining us today, Robert Moreno, crying in grief before he takes his beautiful girl off life support.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Now, can somebody tell me why the judge, why the judge who has already had a report begging that she not be put back on the bench, that she doesn't know the law, does not give due process, and is a bully in the courtroom, why does she let this guy walk free on $250 cash? Some people spend more than that at the grocery store. One trip, the boyfriend is walking free. Zariah is dead. Listen to this. While grieving the loss of their beautiful Zariah, friends and family are also shocked, saddened and angry at what Zariah's dad, Fire Captain Robert Moreno, calls an act of senseless violence. Tonight, many in the community are angry, wondering how it's possible the man who allegedly caused Zaria's tragic death, Anelito Olivas, is walking free. Bailed out of jail the same day he's arrested for just 10% of the $2,500 bond. Walking free for $250.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Joining me, Zaria's father, Robert Moreno. Also with him, her mother, Carmen Moreno. Also with him, her mother Carmen Moreno. Standing behind them, supporting them is high-profile lawyer Priscilla Frisbee. Thank you for joining us. I want to understand to Mr. Moreno, did you have any idea before your daughter is thrown from all of us car of any domestic violence in the relationship? Has she ever confided in you or was she too embarrassed to talk about it? No, she never confided in me. And we always had conversations about it since we were I mean, since she was small, that she could always come to me. But at the same time, she also knew that I was protective.
Starting point is 00:04:51 I feel like she hid it from me. I always had a bad feeling about this guy. But again, I got a little bit more of a sense, a heightened sense of awareness because he wouldn't bring her around me. I'd invite them over for dinner. I'd invite them over to hang out and things of that nature. And for some reason, she just she wouldn't. Now I'm starting to now in retrospect, I'm starting to realize that there were some signs and symptoms. There are things that I should have been looking for.
Starting point is 00:05:24 But now as far as anything directly that she told me, no, they hit it well. I'm going to follow up with everything that you just told me, Mr. Moreno, but I want to take you back. And the reason I'm asking you this is because I pray to heaven as we go to air tonight tonight that one woman, one woman out there may hear this and make the decision to save her own life, to save her future or to save her children's lives and their futures. Mr. Moreno, tell me what happened when you learned your daughter had been injured. This is before you take her off life support. Well, I was at the firehouse. I remember I was watching television in the TV room at the fire station, and I got a phone call from mom. And again, mom doesn't typically call me very late unless it's something urgent. So I took
Starting point is 00:06:27 the call. And I'm not exaggerating. My heart dropped because she was calling so late. And I was thinking, please not that phone call again. But she was crying. She was difficult to understand. And she said that Zariah had been in an accident. And as with her twin brother, I was hoping that, you know, it was a broken arm, a typical youth type of injury. But then I called the back line at the emergency department and the doctor immediately called us back and said that I should have someone drive me in because my daughter's injuries were probably not going to be survivable. At that point, I was beyond devastated. I was trying to get the words out at the firehouse. My chief, who rushed over to drive me over to the hospital, I could barely speak, and the pain was just beyond imaginable.
Starting point is 00:07:34 My body and my heart and my mind and my soul, and I know it's the same for Mom, we are not able to fully register this level of pain. Right now, I'm focusing on the anger to get me through this part of the grief. Mr. Moreno, I know I told you right before we went to air, but I'm just so sorry. And to Ms. Carmen, I'm just so sorry what you're going through. And then to have to make that decision to remove her from life support. How did you get from number one, I don't even know how you're speaking right now because there is not, I thought I knew it all
Starting point is 00:08:20 when my fiance was murdered. I knew all about grief. Then I had my twins, boy, girl, just like you. I don't know how you're even putting one foot in front of the others, but I thank you. I thank you so much for speaking today. So other women out there can hopefully change their lives if they're in a battering situation. Let me understand how you go from that call that you get from as you refer to her as mom to deciding that you have to literally pull the switch on Zariah.
Starting point is 00:09:07 What happened when you got to the hospital? Well, when I got to the hospital, we were taken back and we were still hopeful. I believe mom was still hopeful as well. And she had her family, her brother, my sister. And there was a lot of prayers in that maybe God would pull off a miracle for us being as this would be, let's just say, too much for one mom and dad to handle. So I honestly thought that God or the universe, whatever the powers that be, wouldn't would grant us this miracle. But I think mom would agree with me that, um, our daughter was very, very strong and she almost single-handedly carried us through the grief of losing our son.
Starting point is 00:10:00 And I believe that a lot of her strength that she instilled within us over the last three and a half years helped us through this. But unfortunately, we kept hoping the doctors were going to tell us something different every time we spoke to them. And every time they spoke to us, the news just got worse and more grim and reality started to set in even more and um unfortunately um we had to eventually uh deal with what what we were what what was facing us and we tried to make a decision jointly and um it was very not refreshing but it was nice to know that mom and I have been almost on the same page. We didn't always see eye to eye about raising our children, but fortunately, both of our children ended up pretty much perfect. And when making the decisions that we did, we pretty much, as Zaria's representatives, feel that we represented her the same way that she would be representing herself do you agree mom yeah joining Robert who is the rise dad is there is mom Carmen Moreno
Starting point is 00:11:15 and their lawyer Priscilla Frisbee Robert you stated that when you guys went to the hospital even though the doctor had told you she likely would not survive, you were praying for a miracle. You had already lost one of the twins, the boy, Isaac. And thought it was impossible that you could lose Zariah as well. When you saw her, what went through your mind with her on life support? Disbelief, and disbelief is even such a weak word. I was thinking there is no way in heaven or hell that we are experiencing this again. I thought it was a bad, a bad dream. And honest to God, I, I don't know what mom
Starting point is 00:12:15 was experiencing as far as I know it was disbelief, but I would sit down every 10 or 15 minutes and I would close my eyes really, really, really hard. As you do when you're in a bad dream and then you try to wake yourself up. And I did that a few times. And for some reason, I kept waking up to the same awful reality. My homie and my daughter are very spiritual. So I always had that seed of hope and praying and having people around us praying for this one miracle. And to know that it didn't happen and I know that she would want us to fight because she's a big fighter.
Starting point is 00:12:58 She's a believer and having the strength to carry us through after her brother's death. You know, seeing signs. She's a believer in signs that he was always around. And to see the signs there with us at the hospital when we made the decision was a sense of peace in a way. Somewhat knowing that that was my son's writing number and her blood pressure was stayed at 112 for a couple minutes knowing that they're together and we're gonna fight this and i don't want other girls her age to go through that if you say if you see something say something i could it with another girl. Zariah decides to follow in dad's footsteps to help others and joins ROTC. Then tragedy.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Twins Zariah and Isaac are inseparable when Isaac suddenly dies in a motorcycle accident. Deeply pained, Zariah buries herself in studies and graduates from the Aveda Institute in Tucson. 25-year-old Angelito Olivas continues driving despite knowing his girlfriend, Zaria, is still on the trunk of his car, holding on for her life. Zaria eventually falls off and is found unconscious. After that moment, Zariah is basically dumped at the fire station. She is rushed to the hospital. She's unresponsive in a coma. Her parents make the horrible decision to take her off life support. Why? Why? It's the guy who did this, Angelito Olivas. Why is he walking free?
Starting point is 00:14:56 Listen. What is your full name, sir? Angelito Adrian Olivas. You are charged with domestic violence, aggravated assault, domestic violence endangerment. I'm going to enter pleas of not guilty. Let you know that you do have a constitutional right to remain silent, to be represented by an attorney. There is an attorney who is seated next to you representing for this evening's hearings. I'm going to hear first in the prosecutor's office, and then I'll hear from your defense counsel.
Starting point is 00:15:22 County attorney. Thank you, counsel uh the state's requesting a ten thousand dollar bond the nature of the incident is such that there is verbal altercation between the defendant the victim and then the defendant drove away with the victim on having gotten on the trunk of his car the victim fell off and it was apparently injured to the point where she was unresponsive. The interim complaint does not say whether or not this person is still alive or in what condition they are. Ten thousand dollars, Your Honor.
Starting point is 00:15:57 So the judge, Judge Geraldine Hale. And let me just tell you, I did a little homework on Judge Geraldine Hale. And I found that the Tucson City Council voted unanimously to reappoint Magistrate Hale, despite a strong recommendation from the commission, it should not reappoint her. And that has rarely, if ever happened in in their history that they ask for a person not to be reappointed to the bench. Why did they make that recommendation? Because, and by the way, she gets paid over $100,000 a year, around $112,000 to be exact. They said she had an erratic temperament, a lack of basic legal knowledge, and was a bully in the courtroom. Okay. That's what they say. This is what I say. Here you've got the prosecutor telling the judge that this was a domestic violence incident, that they don't know if Zariah is alive or dead. And they give the facts and they ask for a higher bond.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Knowing all of that, this is what the judge does. Listen. We're asking that you release him to pretrial services he has verified housing away from the victim his employment his support with his father he doesn't have any priors he's a one on both the scales um he's qualifying as a level one level of supervision pretrial as the state just noted the victim apparently jumped on his car while he's attempting to leave so it seems like there's more to this story and not completely his fault. So given all that, we're asking you release him to pretrial. If you're inclined for a bond, then a $2,500 bond. Mr. Levis, your bond is set at $2,500 secured plus release of pretrial services.
Starting point is 00:18:01 If you're able to post that bond, you must comply with any amount of treatment as directed by Pre-Trial Services. Let me understand something. Joining me is Mary Coleman, 13 News Evening Anchor, Crime Files Investigator, and you can find her at the website KOLD.com. Mary Coleman, thank you for joining us. Let me ask you a few rapid fire questions. Now, isn't it correct that the judge, Geraldine Hale, knew what happened, yet denied the state's request for a higher bond and gave the defense the lower bond? Is that correct? So we frankly don't know whether she was given the facts that Zaria was in the state. Did you just hear what I just played? I just played it. I just played it for you where he says there was a verbal altercation between the defendant and the victim. The defendant drove away with victim on the trunk of his car. The victim fell off and was injured
Starting point is 00:19:00 to the point she was unresponsive. The interim complaint does not say whether Zariah is dead or alive and they asked for $10,000. Correct. Yes, that is correct. So she did know what the facts were. And isn't it true in your jurisdiction that when a $2,500 bond is set, the defendant only has to put up 10% of that. Is that correct? That is correct, yes. So $250, is that right? Yes, 10% of that would be $250, correct. Robert Moreno, $250? It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:19:40 It's mind-blowing. I don't understand it at all. You know, you you see people who do lesser crimes and and, you know, that the cops are the law enforcement's all over them and something like this where, as you said, and I'll repeat, there was obviously some details in which she was unconscious. There was an altercation. 10,000 even seemed, I mean, I would think to anyone listening would seem like a very, very small amount in order to keep him. I mean, I'm seeing your lawyer behind you. This is Priscilla Frisbee, who practices in this Arizona jurisdiction. Priscilla, I mean, the guy is charged with felony domestic violence. I mean, a felony ag assault. And he's getting out on bond.
Starting point is 00:20:39 And they tell the judge she might be dead. We don't know if she's dead or alive. And he still walks free on $250. And Priscilla, I mean, I'm going to go to our lawyers on the panel, but Priscilla, I'm holding up the bond conditions that we managed to locate. They're probably trying to hide these. Okay. They say commit no acts of domestic violence. That's a condition of his bond.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And he has admitted he did this. I don't care why she sat on the hood. I don't care why she got there. He took off at a rapid rate of speed. He knew she fell off and kept going. He went back and got her, saw she was unresponsive, and dumped her in the fire station. Don't commit domestic violence. Wow. The judge sure told him, didn't she? What about it, Priscilla Frisbee? Yes, the amount of the bond and the circumstances of this case,
Starting point is 00:21:46 even the $10,000 bond, as you stated, was grossly disproportional to what actually transpired. Soraya Moreno is rushed to the hospital, unresponsive and in cardiac arrest. Her family surrounds her as she fights to stay alive on life support. A father's heartbreak when he is faced with a decision to take his daughter, just 22, Zariah Moreno, off life support. I can't imagine being in that position.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Now, his pain and suffering, along with Mom Carmen's pain and suffering, exacerbated by a judge who grants the boyfriend bond on $250 with the condition no acts of domestic violence. Well, that's a day late and a dollar short. And what more do we know about the charges themselves? Listen. The Pima County Sheriff's Department begins investigating the incident by talking to the man who brought Zaria to the fire department, Angelito Olivas and reviewing Zaria Moreno's injuries, Olivas is arrested on charges of felony domestic violence and aggravated assault and felony endangerment. Speaking of the charges, remember, Zaria is the only other witness to what happened. Can we really trust what the defendant says? Listen. The interim complaint filed by the Pima sheriffs is the story as told to them by suspect Anelito Olivas.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Olivas says the couple has an argument Sunday night around midnight. At some point, Zaria Moreno jumps on the trunk of Olivas' vehicle as he tries to leave the area. When she doesn't get off the car, Olivas takes off with her on top. According to Carmen Moreno, Zaria's mother, this is just one version Olivas gives to explain what happened to Zaria. There will be more stories from Olivas. Many more. What exactly did Olivas say as he changed his stories?
Starting point is 00:23:54 Listen. Zaria's mother, Carmen, says Olivas tells not one, not two, but three different stories trying to explain what happened to Zaria. Since Zaria can no longer speak for herself, no one knows explain what happened to Zariah. Since Zariah can no longer speak for herself, no one knows exactly what happened. Stephanie Moreno, Zariah's aunt, states Olivas initially told the family Zariah was injured when she fell off an ATV, an all-terrain vehicle. The family says they did not know of any domestic abuse until after the tragedy this week. Joining us, the mom and dad of Zariah, Robert and Carmen Moreno. Ms. Moreno, what are the different stories Olivas has told about the death of your daughter?
Starting point is 00:24:33 Saying that she was in an ATV accident. She had went to this area where there's motorcycles and trucks and it's muddy and they ride. So she was there and she came home. I saw her. She was not hurt, but that's what he's saying that she was in a ATV accident because he knew she was there. So nothing could be further from the truth. Zariah was not out driving an ATV in a muddy, hilly area just before her death. To Robert Moreno, what is your understanding of what Olivas said about the injuries? Well, being as I am a fire captain, I spoke to some of the folks. I don't want to say any names or give any exact details because some of it was in confidence and they did tell me that eventually they said brother we're going to tell you off record some of the things that we heard
Starting point is 00:25:34 and again i don't want to go into the details but that the stories had changed and that they were certain that this was going to end up being a homicide investigation. So as for our conversations, that they would have to remain off record. But again, off record, I was told the three different stories that she was thrown from a UTV, that it was an ATV accident. And eventually the car story came into play which again i would really like to fortify what our attorney said a lot of these facts have not been collected they're being collected we also have a private investigator and other sources
Starting point is 00:26:19 that we're going to work on and gathering as many facts as we can. So it's troublesome to listen, knowing my daughter as well, to listen to that some of the news facts or that his statements are being taken as fact, when I am 100% certain that the story that he gave is not accurate, probably not even close. Um, there are more accounts that again, um, just the, just the nature of how he dropped her off and how he was not in any, uh, in any hurry to get her help immediately. Um, obviously that's gut wrenching for myself and mom. What do you mean by that, Robert? I've got so many questions. Number one, let me follow up on that. How did he drop her off and did not seem to be in any hurry? From what I understand is that, and there's again some details, let's just say
Starting point is 00:27:19 that some of the details, he wasn't in a hurry. He wanted to cover up evidence, if you will. Wash up was one thing that I've heard quite a few times. The doctors had told us that she may have survived her injuries had she received CPR sooner and that her injuries that were not survivable was because she didn't have CPR sooner. And again, he was the only one who was in proximity of my baby's body that could have gotten her help a lot sooner. But again, I'm understanding that his behavior was not urgent. It wasn't fast. It didn't seem like he was trying to get her immediate attention. Again, as a fire captain, paramedic for many, many years, we've had people that, you know, bang on the door when someone's unconscious, unresponsive. We've even ran outside for someone who fell asleep.
Starting point is 00:28:22 So again, being as she was, in fact, unconscious, unresponsive, not breathing, in full code of rest, you don't have to be a medical professional to realize that something is absolutely wrong. And, again, his behavior, from what I understand, did not depict any real sense of urgency, which, again, is gun-wrenching for me because those are precious minutes that could have saved my baby. At that point, it almost seems calculated, if you will. And I'm probably walking a fine line there, but calculated is the last word that I probably want to use there.
Starting point is 00:29:02 So, again, I would like for any media just to understand that the facts are probably not what his story indicates. Angelito Olivas is arrested by authorities after a heated argument with his girlfriend, Zariah, ends with her in the hospital on life support. Can you imagine all of you parents out there having to make the decision to take your beloved child off life support? Zariah's twin, a brother had died in a tragic motorcycle accident. The family has just lived through that. And now this joining me, Zariah's mom, dad, their family lawyer, Priscilla Frisbee, Karen Stark, Dr. Kendall Crowns. I'll be right with you. Mary Coleman joining us. K-O-L-D. Please jump in, Mary. You know the facts better than all of us put together.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Mr. Moreno, you said that you believed as a veteran firefighter, and you've probably given life support, CPR, so many times you can't count them. You believe that if she had gotten CPR sooner, she may have been saved. You stated to me that according to a report that you heard, he wanted to wash up. He was concerned about washing himself up when he dumped her at the fire station? Yes. And again, I don't know the exact details, but those are the unconfirmed and off-record reports that I heard. Did he give an account when he dropped her off, Mr. Moreno? Did he give an account then about what happened? From again, what I understand, and this is paraphrasing, not exact quotes, was my girlfriend's in the car, stumped into the effect. I think she might be hurt. You guys might want to check her out.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Oh, dear Lord in heaven. You know, another thing, Mr. Moreno, I don't know if we, I mean, I'm going to take his statement with a box of salt about her getting on the car and he drove off. How do I know that's true? And why in the world would she have gotten on the car? Did she really do that? Was she getting on top of the car to get away from him? I mean, does that sound like a likely scenario to you, Mr. Moreno? No, it doesn't. It doesn't sound like a likely scenario. And again, I can't say enough that it's frustrating hearing on the news and everyone relying on the facts that that's what happened. When again, the only one only other person who knows the truth is my daughter. My position is once he took her away from the home, it was his responsibility to bring my baby, our baby back safely. So whatever was going on in their altercation, let's just say that, you know, let's just say that there are a little bit of this too.
Starting point is 00:32:30 She wasn't outside of the vehicle. She wasn't trying to get on the vehicle or anything when she was safe at home. So again, my position is once he took her away from home, it was clearly obvious that he is the one who compromised her safety. Joining me right now, I want to follow up on what Mr. Moreno is saying. Mr. Moreno, I want to get to our medical examiner very quickly. Our renowned medical examiner joining us to analyze what he knows about Zariah's injuries. Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County, that's Fort Worth. Lecturer at the esteemed Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Dr. Kendall Crowns.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Dr. Crowns, thank you for being with us. What do you make of what you're hearing about the injuries? And also, Dr. Kendall Crowns, how can I prove or disprove whether this story is real? Would I be looking for road rash? Would I be looking for dirt on her body, gravel marks? Help me, Dr. Kendall Crowns, explain this. Okay, so anytime there's a car involved, there can be pattern type injuries with the automobile. If they're hit by the automobile, you might get grill marks.
Starting point is 00:33:50 If they're run over by the automobile, you'll get tire marks on the body. Based on the information we have, she's on the trunk of the car. He speeds away. She falls off. What you're going to see there is you'll see gravel impressions from the street. You'll see dirt in the wounds, things of that nature, if that's an accurate story. Based on the injuries that were just described by her father, the occipital region of the skull is the back of the skull. So she's got injuries to the back of her head. And then basilar skull fracture is
Starting point is 00:34:27 the base of the skull or the bottom of the skull. You'll see fractures across the bottom of the skull. What happens there is when you get those fractures, the brain itself will move in the skull cavity, and that will cause bruising of the brain and hemorrhages of the brain. And when the brain gets blood on it, it reacts to all forms of injury, especially blood, by swelling. And then the swelling, as the swelling gets greater and greater, it starts pushing on the brainstem or the bottom of the brain itself. And the brainstem is what controls your heart rate and your breathing rate and will eventually basically pinch off and turn you off, causing your respiratory rate to drop or your breathing rate to drop and eventually starving your body of oxygen. Dr. Kendall Crowns, if Oliva's story is true, which I have reason to suspect since it's changed several times. If this last most recent story is true, that she, Zariah, fell off his car as he sped away,
Starting point is 00:35:32 would you expect to find other injuries on the body, such as road rash, a broken arm, a broken leg, a broken wrist, possibly where she tried to stop her fall? Wouldn't there be more than just a blow to the head? Potentially. I mean, if you're on the back of a car and someone's pulling away and you're holding on and you fall off, you might see abrasions on the back or the buttocks or anything with it strikes the ground. But the problem is, is if she falls from the height of the car, it's about four to five feet and falls directly back on the back of her head because she's fallen off the car and then hits basically on her head. You might not see those other injuries because she fell off so quickly, hits her head, and then dies.
Starting point is 00:36:19 If she gets dragged, you'll see road rash. But if she just falls, hits her head, gets the skull fracture, that is a life-threatening injury. She would need medical treatment right away and probably wouldn't even survive. It will cause like large lacerations, so she'll be very bloody. So when they're describing he wants to clean up, there was probably a lot of blood associated with it. Dr. Kendall-Crowns, isn't it true that very often, not always, but very often, a suspect's statement can be completely shredded, disproven, based on the autopsy report? Yes. If you get inconsistent witness statements or perpetrator statements, and then you do the autopsy, you get a pattern of injuries that may not fit with what they're describing. So then the
Starting point is 00:37:10 investigation goes back and starts looking at things, and they start unfolding what really happened. So usually the autopsy can aid in making those decisions on what is the truth. And again, with a car, you start looking for tire marks, you start looking for grill marks, anything like that. If there's brush abrasion, she got dragged. All that stuff can be found and can be figured out. 22 year old Zariah is dead after her family makes the horrible decision to take her off life support. This while her boyfriend has walked free.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Karen Stark is joining me, renowned psychologist, TV radio trauma expert. You can find her at KarenStark.com. That's Karen with a C if you're looking for her. Karen Stark, I'm not surprised at all by what Mr. and Mrs. Moreno are telling me. Explain in your work as a psychologist everything you can tell us about the battered women syndrome. Well, first of all, Nancy, let me say that I am so sorry that this happened. Losing a child, there is nothing worse than that. In terms of the battered women, this is classic because you can see that he kept her away from her family. And I read that her dad said that she felt sorry for him and wanted to fix him, which is another thing that you hear about. And I think women really need to know that they have to reach out because it's a dangerous situation.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Something terrible can happen if you get in an argument or you want to leave, just like Zariah did. I don't know these details, but you must seek help. Your life is too important and your life is at stake in these situations. It's called a safety plan, a personal practical plan to improve your own safety. If you are experiencing abuse, a plan to get out tonight, we don't even know the facts surrounding what happened to Zariah. An intense investigation is going on as we go to air. Please visit the GoFundMe.com to remember Zariah. Over 100 people attend a vigil in her honor spreading awareness. If you know or think you know anything about this incident that claimed the life of this beautiful 22-year-old twin girl, 520-882-7463. 520-882-7463. The Pima County Sheriff's desperately need your help.
Starting point is 00:40:17 To the parents of Zariah, Robert, and Carmen Moreno. They are grieving their daughter as we seek justice. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.

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