Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DEAD, MISSING SPACE SCIENTISTS MYSTERY RAGING UNSOLVED

Episode Date: July 11, 2026

The FBI and other federal agencies are investigating the deaths and disappearances of more than a dozen top scientists and personnel tied to NASA, Los Alamos Nation Laboratory and  classified military research.   The remains of Los Alamos worker Melissa Casias were found in Carson National Forest  nearly a year after she vanished. Police records revealed that missing retiree Anthony Chavez had been researching quantum physics with a Los Alamos scientist.   In the meantime the February disappearance of retired Air Force General William Neil McCasland,  continues. McCasland had links to many of the dead and missing who were connected to classified  aerospace and national security programs.   Conspiracy theories abound on a coordinated effort to silence these researchers. Do any of them have a hold on reality?  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. U.S. space scientists either dead or missing. It's fishy. Harassment, harassment. Threat, threat, threat. It's suspicious.

She didn't take nothing. He flipped his phone. There's no bullet. If it were a staged suicide, then why be so sloppy about it? It's BS. When things happen once, it's an anomaly. When things happen twice, you could chalk it up as a coincidence. But when it happens three times, now you have a trend.

Bombshell tonight in the case of dead and missing U.S. scientists with top clearances across the board tonight, the body count 17. Joining us tonight, Crime Stories, investigative reporter Dave Mack. Dave Mack, what more can you tell us? Nancy, as we have taken a look at this story a number of times, there are three names that are kind of bubbling to the surface right now. Retire General Neil McCasland, Anthony Chavez, and Melissa Casillas. In the case of General Neil McAisland, retired general, this is a man who controlled $2.2 billion in government funding for research. He spent, and by the way, research in propulsion technology. This is a man who spent the largest part of his career at Wright-Patterson

Air Force Base, where the UFO community knows has been the subject of a lot of questions about our government's research into extraterrestrial technology, if it exists. But more than that, Neil McCastlin, the guy is 66 years old. And as we were all beginning to cover the Nancy Guthrie story in February, you know, we were three and a half weeks into that story every day looking what was happening in Arizona. And General Neil McCaslin went missing on February 27th. For a brief moment, people were like, wait a minute, what's going on with these senior citizens? They just seemed to disappear. The Neil McCaslin story was coming, well, the information we got came from his wife. Pretty much everything we know about his recent health,

his demeanor, his idea and lie, everything comes from his wife. I'm not challenging her, Nancy. I'm just pointing out that it's Neil McCaslin's wife that said he had kind of a brain fog going on. And he left home without his phone and without other things he would normally have and just went walking away. She was gone from the house for an hour, and when she got back, she couldn't find him anywhere and reported him missing. Well, Nancy, I've been in that area of Albuquerque, New Mexico, where General Neil McAisland went missing. It's tough terrain. It's rugged terrain at the base of the Sandia Mountains. My brother and I, when we were kids, we did a lot of hiking up in that area.

It's not an area you go without knowing where you're going because the terrain is difficult. But if Neil McAastland was to walk away within the hour that his wife was gone, and a search began right away to find a 66-year-old man on foot walking in the area where she suggested he went, they'd have found him. They would have found him right away. Can't get that far away in an hour in that terrain. Just saying, this is a man who's $2.2 billion in government funding

that he was in charge of and handed out for research into alternative propulsion that NASA and a... organizations and our government have been working on. He's one of those people. Again, retired U.S. Air Force General Neil McCaslin. But check this out. Touse, New Mexico coming into play. We have Anthony Chavez. Now, Anthony Chavez worked at Los Alamos, and it is said that he, Anthony Chavez, was a retired HVAC guy. Well, I mean, if you've got problems with your heating and air conditioning and your central heat and air, he'd be the guy to call, right?

But he has ties to Los Alamos. And I want to make sure I get this right. He was working on a research project with quantum physics, with an unnamed scientist, an HVAC guy working on a quantum physics research project with another scientist. And by the way, he just goes. missing. He was trying to sell his sister's home that he had inherited, and he was going to sell the home and use it for assisted living. And he did have a real estate agent that was really pushing him hard to sell it for below market value, for below what it was listed for. But other

than that, Anthony Chavez, an retired HVAC guy working on a quantum physics project with another scientist, disappeared. Now, we have covered. Melissa Cassius. That's why I mentioned Taus a minute ago. Melissa Casillas' body was found. Well, her remains, her skeletal remains were found. Remember, leaning up against a tree, gun nearby? Yeah, there's a lot wrong with this story. The story was that Melissa Cassius had gone to drop her husband off at work. She forgot her key card, had to go back home to get it. She took her daughter a subway sandwich for lunch and that Melissa decided to just work from home. But then she was later, after she's disappeared, leaving behind her phones and keys, by her phones were left behind and they'd been

reset to factory. And then she just vanishes, right, into thin air. There was a picture of her walking down a highway, but that was pretty much it with Melissa Casillas. But you know what? Here's the time. You know, I mentioned Anthony Chavez, retired HVAC guy doing quantum physics work with another scientist. Well, Anthony Chavez is that former employee of Los Alamo. National Laboratory until his retirement in 2017. He vanishes seven weeks, seven weeks before a key assistant at that same lab vanished. Who was that key card holder? Melissa Casillas.

So we got Neil McCasland, Anthony Chavez, Melissa Casillas. All gone. we did find skeletal remains of Melissa Casillas leaning against a tree. But Nancy, there's just three of the latest that we're looking at with the missing and dead scientists. How does a young scientist without telling family or friends decide he's going on a trip, get into his Tesla without his wallet or iPhone, like so many of the other missing or dead scientists, leaving home on foot, leaving behind all ID, wallets, cell phones, tracking devices, any sort of identification that links them to the military or to their research, this young scientist, Joshua LeBlanc, leaves home and suddenly crashes into a guardrail and both he and his vehicle are totally incinerated.

Stephanie Hurlow joining us co-host Crime Weekly podcast. Stephanie, thank you for being with us tonight. What happened to Joshua LeBlank? First of all, tell me about him. What was he studying? Let me guess. Anti-gravity, jet propulsion, what? Yes, jet propulsion.

He lived and worked in Huntsville, Alabama, which is kind of the epicenter of a lot of these missing people, including Dr. Ning Lee, who was missing for a while, but ended up being. killed and also Amy Eskridge. The University of Huntsville is very, very focused on NASA, jet propulsion, anti-gravity research. There's the epicenter of where all that stuff is happening. But he did work with some pretty high security clearance. Straight out to Dr. Kendall Crowns joining us, chief medical examiner at Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth, Texas. Dr. Crowns, why three days to identify his body? I mean, they knew it was his test. Hezla, number one, the family reported him missing.

Why did it take three days to figure out it's him? Well, actually, three days is a little surprising to me because I would think it would take even longer. If a body's burned beyond recognition, meaning that the facial skin has been burned away all the way to the bone, you have to do techniques to figure out who they are. And one of them is dental records. So they have a presumptive ID. They kind of know who he is.

to get his dental records and do a comparison. Three days is, to me, an actually quick turnaround time. Okay, Dr. Kendall Crowns, I know I'm waiting into dangerous territory here, arguing with the chief medical examiner in the metropolitan area, but how hard is it to get dental records?

The family says, that's his car. He's missing. Dental records? That should take a couple of hours? Well, it isn't a couple hours. You have to call the dentist. They have to get the records. They have to bring them to the medical records.

examiner's office. So you're looking at least a day or two. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You do know about email, right? You don't have to get on your horse and buggy and go over to the medical examiners. You hit one button and send it. Okay, so that takes five minutes. But what you're saying regarding bringing in a forensic dental specialist, that suddenly makes sense to me. Out to special guest joining us, Frank Milburn, former British intelligence officer who knew another dead scientist very well, Amy Eskridge, who said, point blank, if I am found dead, I did not and would never commit suicide. Frank, I'd like you to listen to her voice, to her tapes that you have provided to us. Listen. We discovered what was up when we got back and the car battery was drained.

So he was emptied, right? They just had a fucking colonel walk out of the airport behind me. He didn't have any luggage. I don't think he even flew that day, right? My car failed to start, and then he offered to jump it for me. Right? So the colonel jumped in a car, and then I went along my merry way. Totally traumatized, but also totally okay, right?

I have not traveled by air, and I also have not left the city by car either ever since then. from our friends at Daly Mail. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Frank Milburn. What is she talking about? Yeah, she's talking about an incident that happened when she came back from out of town, when she came back to her airport near Humboldt.

And this is something that was repairing for her. She would go out of town, fly out, she'd come back. Her vehicle had been tampered with. Even when she didn't fly, her vehicle would be tampered with. So her vehicle would be in an airport car parking lot, where presumably there's cameras and there's surveyor people moving in and out. Presumably you'd have some record of it. But her car was being tattered with, whether it was products inside the car, items inside the car, or sometimes a door would just be left open, a jar so that the battery would run down so that when she came back, she had a problem.

But this was recurring and it happened not only to her at airports, but also at other locations and also including at home. And there's a video where she's very worried. She found footsteps outside her house. There's another one where, you know, she's talking about her car being, her mother's car being battery drained. Also, allegations that her home computer had been hacked. Listen. So I maybe just sent a message to Tim on LinkedIn and informed him that if I see one more illegally leaked, of photos that were taken from my laptop bag, from my home, by your business partner.

I'm going to call the FBI. You've been informed that your partner has committed interstate felonies because he took pictures in Alabama. He transported them across state lines to New Jersey and he posted them online from New Jersey. That's an interstate felony considering the NDA. It's an act of corporate espionage because he founded a competing company. right after that. It's an act of international espionage

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partner left a very messy, very messy trail of evidence about these multiple felonies that's extremely, extremely easy to prove in court? Frank, what is she talking about? Do you believe her computer had been hacked? That happened to her a lot. And she was regularly, for example, when she was attacked the directed energy weapon, which is well documented. She was working on an air-gapped computer precisely because she didn't want to be connected to the internet. Her team and her were constantly having to clean, reinstall their phones, their computers precisely because of this hacking. But in that particular case here that the person that she names in the clip that you played previously,

he's been gaslighting me and her since before she died. She knew I've got emails going back to, sorry, I've got documents going back to 2021, saying that she was being a target of industrial blasphanage by him and his partner. These people have been trying to gaslight her before and after her death and trying to portray her as crazy, it's not competent. But this should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI. I know these people. They're trying to gaslight me too.

So, you know, this is actually disgusting behavior, talking very, very badly about a deceased dead lady. You can't defend herself. But that's why I'm here to defend her. You mentioned being harassed. Harassed. And also you mentioned a directed power hit on her body from which she allegedly sustained multiple bruises

and showed them two people. This wasn't alleged. It's all documented. And I actually showed, you know, the images of her. to adopt a friend of Maya and she said, yeah, those are consistent, you know, with directed energy microwave weapons. Havana syndrome is mostly acoustic,

but these were directed energy microwave weapons that literally, you know, fry your body, fry your central nervous system, fry your spine, give you all kinds of gas to intestine problems. I want you to listen to this. I have been typing on this fucking offline computer right here. Super fucking sensitive for the past several days. with this window right here to my right and that window door right there to my left and I've been

my hands have been burned to hell and back as I've been typing because you can beam me through there or through there and you can get a 3D image of what I'm typing because this computer doesn't have a Wi-Fi card you can't hack it but you can maybe get a 3D image of me typing so like we just did that and did that as an act of as an act of pure desperation and guess what I feel better immediately I feel better immediately like my hands still burn because there's damage my hands still burn because there's damage but but it's like my body relaxed when we barricaded the and it was like oh like relief Like immediately.

Because they're hitting me through the... I'm sitting here typing on this thing. Like directed energy weapons are about harming and harassing people, but they're also sometimes surveillance mechanisms where you can... You can't hack the computer because there's no Wi-Fi card, but you can send microwaves in to get a 3D image of me typing on the keyboard and you can reconstruct what I'm typing by...

microwaving me even though you can't hack it because there's no Wi-Fi guard. That's the type of shenanigans going on right now. Like that's the reality of like directed energy tools and weapons. Like that's kind of that's going on. We just showed a photo of Eskridge's red hands. What is that? That was when she was working literally on that project for Homeland Security and she was, I think, about six stories up, but they got hit with a directed energy weapon. And she got burnt on her

hands, not on her face, I believe, it was on her hands. So something directed specifically at her hands. And there's another scientist. I actually sent you the videos. There's another scientist with her in the background. And you can hear him say it's a directed energy weapon, a microwave directed energy weapon. So there's two witnesses there, two scientists who are expert witnesses and able to describe exactly what is happening to them. I'm scared. I'm tired. I'm real tired. I need to disclose soon, man. I need to pull up soon because it's like escalating. It's getting more and more aggressive. Like over the past, this has been going on for like, I don't know, four or five years. And over the past 12 months, it's been like escalating, escalating, like more aggressive, more invasive. Much happening out of the New Mexico jurisdiction, New Mexico and California.

Listen to these connections and how the people went missing. Monica Hizinto-R-R-R-L, Air Force Research Lab. General McCausen oversaw, actually ran, commandeered the AFRL, including the funding, specifically Risa's project. She got her funding from A-F-R-L. She got her funding from AFRL, and she was specializing in jet propulsion. She is on a hike in the LA National Forest. She's with a friend, a female friend who's just ahead of her.

The friend looks back. She waves and smiles. A few minutes later, she looks back. Monica's gone. Gone. An intense digital search and more was conducted. Nothing. In the space of 10 minutes, she's gone.

You know, let me go to you, Lauren Conlon. You have done a really deep dive on Monica Hesin-Tereza, and your article in LA Magazine was eye-opening, and I'm sure that took you hundreds and hundreds of hours of research to put that one article together. Remind us about how Monica just disappears off a trail. Of course, Monica's disappearance is very chilling because she was with two people from her yoga group.

And reportedly she was descending from a mountain with her male companion only. She was behind him about 30 feet. They were both running. Again, this is a steep terrain. No one can understand why they were running. The male companion turned around. He waved to her.

A minute later, she was gone, vanished into thin air. And that red beanie was found on a more dangerous path leading off of the mountain. This is Mount Waterman. And her scent stopped at that beanie, Nancy. Very strange. I have spoken to close family members who are desperate to find their, you know, their sister, their mother, their cousin.

Monica is a widow. They wanted everyone to know that she was not working for any type of foreign government, any foreign intelligence. She was studying yoga with a specialty in Vedic sciences. And she had done this for about. 30 years and she was working for NASA JPL at the time. One last thing I want to say about Monica, Nancy, is the fact that she had an iPhone 8, which meant that her cell phone was not going to ping anywhere unless she was at a proper place in the mountain for it to work. If she would have had an iPhone

12, it could have pinged. But this is one of the most baffling things ever again, because she was with two people, two companions. And they both seemed to have a very specific story. And, And as far as I know, Nancy, no one else can put Monica on the mountain that day except for these two people. Lauren Conlin, isn't it true that Monica Jacinta Reza got her funding from AFRL Air Force Research Lab? And she worked closely with and her funding was approved by William Neal McCasland, who walked away from his home with none of his ID without. his phone, without anything on him to identify who he was except an Air Force sweatshirt, which was found discarded about two miles away. McCasland oversaw Monica Hise and

San Jose Torres' projects and okayed the funding for her. Isn't that true? They did overlap, and I, you know, I've reached out to these places like Wright Patterson, the Air Force Research Lab, and I think I mentioned this to you. It's very difficult to get confirmation. of what people did exactly and the years that they worked there, you know. So I'm going off of LinkedIn for these two in general. But yes, Monica Reza, you know, she co-patented these high-strength metal alloys, burn-resistant alloys, and General McCaslin was at the very top. So this to me, like they are the center of all of this.

Okay. I want to talk to you. First, I want to play you trying to get answers. of D.C. Fat chance. Listen to this, everybody. Nothing. Rep. Burchett, nothing on the missing scientist, General McCaslin. Shady, y'all in the media, you figure it out. Of course, there's something going on. You have 14 rabbis, 14 preachers, 14 used car salesmen disappear. You'd be asking questions. What was that? About the rabbi, the preacher, and the used cars? You know what? I don't want to knock around in his head. No offense. I want to talk

about the facts as we know. Then can we talk about McCaslin? By the way, That's from Lauren Collin 4 on TikTok, and here she is in the flesh. Can we talk about McCasland? Because he kicked the whole thing off. I mean, his credentials are incredible. First of all, who is McCasland, Lauren? Well, he is pretty much more credentialed, I would say, than any president we've had in about two decades. But he oversaw 80% of the Pentagon's black.

PACT Ops project. He was a retired Air Force General. He was stationed at Wright Patterson, obviously the Air Force Research Lab. And Nancy, I had a very successful FOIA request fulfilled last week where I was given by the Bernalillo Sheriff's Office the last known photo of General McCaslin the day before he went missing. And I was in shock because I am thinking, Why am I the one putting this out? Why didn't law enforcement or the FBI put this out? And not only that, in the police report, in one of the police reports anyway,

they indicate that the FBI did in fact join the investigation on March 3rd. So I've reached out to them as well. But I will say parsing through this and going through all of the body cam footage, all of the interviews, you learn a lot about General McCaslin's last few months and it is very heartbreaking.

There are certain things that don't add up, but also I do want to point out that friends said that starting in January, he wasn't himself. He was actually in the process of looking for a doctor to diagnose whatever he thought that he had. Listen to this. Has he been diagnosed with any mental disorders or anything like that? Well, we've been seeing a doc for both physical and mental in terms of anxiety, short-term. term memory loss, lack of sleep, the same doc I went to see today. Very, very active physically and has always had a very sharp mind, a retired major general from MIT. Oh, wow.

And he's been feeling rainfall. Today he had taken a drug that the doctor prescribed last. night that was supposed to have his sleep with weight gain. He's lost about 20 pounds for no reason. And with anxiety. I was shocked this morning when I saw the alert because what I noticed Thursday evening is he wasn't his usual self. He was kind of spacey and quiet. From our friends at Daily Mail to Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter who has been on the missing scientists and lab workers from the beginning. that McAouslin had multiple senior Pentagon roles.

He oversaw nuclear research at Los Alamos National Lab, who just walked away with no identification on him. To me, had connections to so many of the others, Dave Mack. One linchpin for the money attached to all the research, Nancy, you've got to remember, McCaslin was, the Air Force Research Laboratory head at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. This is a position that he stayed at until he retired, and he was dealing with billions, not millions, but billions of dollars in advanced material sciences and future weapons research

across the nation and all of our centers that we were investigating. So all the research that was being done, all the funding that came for that research, went through McCaslin's hand. That's why he was aware of everybody that was moving around. And he's there in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is where Curtin Air Force Base is. That's where he retired after leaving Wright Patterson in Ohio. Well, what do we know about these areas?

They are huge in the UFO research that has been done. And McCaslin is connected to all of these things. Joining us tonight, an all-star panel. but first I'm going to go to John Nance, former supervisory special agent with the FBI assigned to the Miami and D.C. field offices over 20 years. Mr. Nance, thank you for being with us tonight. I know you're not a medical examiner, but I'm very fatigued with claims that all of these top security clearance scientists and lab workers

all just walk out of their home with no ID, no cell phone. Melissa Cassius' cell phone had been factory wiped when her daughter found her cell phone. They all just walk out and suddenly have an urge to commit suicide. Melissa Casillas, gun found near her body. She was completely skeletonized. By the time her body has been found, Family says she was not acting unusually in any way.

The family says that's not her gun. That's not our gun. Where did that gun come from? And most disturbing, Mr. Nance, there's no bullet at that scene anyway. It really doesn't take a rocket scientist, pardon my pun, to figure out something is way off with this story. Yeah, none of this makes any sense. The theories surrounding, you know, while these people are committing suicide, it just doesn't hold investigative water. There are a lot of unanswered questions, especially in Cassius's case.

In fact, her husband said that part of her story was that she was going to return home to get her ID badge when, in fact, he saw her with the ID badge in the vehicle. So that makes no sense. And of course, as you've already mentioned, the cell phones, the smartphones being reset to factory settings, all these things indicate that she didn't necessarily intend to take her life, but that she could have been in fear for her safety in some form or fashion and maybe was attempting to escape. I mean, that's a possibility.

I want to see the last known image. of Melissa Cassius. There she is. Hey, where are all those things? She's got a backpack with her. Where is all that? Because we haven't heard word one about any of that being found by or around her body. And also, no animal activity.

She's been missing a long time. And her body, her skeleton is sitting up, undisturbed, pristine, leaning against a tree, That defies everything I know about a crime scene where a body is found skeletonized. It would have fallen apart by now. Lauren Conlon, what more can you tell us about the discovery of Cassius's body? What do you know?

Well, I've been in touch with the New Mexico State Police, and they have been very responsive to me. It is the PIO, the press information officer, And she has indicated she is going back and forth with investigators to see if they can disclose what they have. Because I submitted a FOIA request for the autopsy report. And I was denied actually two days ago. And not because, you know, they couldn't give it to me or wouldn't give it to me. It's because they don't have it completed yet, Nancy.

So I like you, I am waiting for the facts. All we know officially right now is that there was not an initial, uh, projectile in the skull, as you mentioned. And this photo of Melissa and her daughter, it breaks my heart, Nancy. All of everything you've said, the fact that Melissa took medication with her, her toothbrush with her, that really tells me that she wasn't planning on taking her own life. So I just want answers. I feel for her family. Listen to this. We cannot locate my wife. We haven't heard from her all day from work with this morning. The last time I saw her word. My daughter saw her around 1 o'clock. All his stuff was here in

the house, but she's not here, and it's just not like her to not call her check in and take her purse and her phone. And it looks like her phone has been, my daughter said, it looks like it's been reset. But they're, you know, so we looked all around the house everywhere on our property. We cannot find her. or nothing and I don't know what to do. The car was in his park you at the house. The keys are here. The house was locked. Everything was here.

You know what I mean? So she went from the positive. She came home. The car was here, parked in the yard. The keys are on the kitchen cable. What's her name? Melissa Cassia. And we called the hospital seat because, I mean, you know,

there's no one in there. you know at all like that because we thought well maybe if something happened to her her personal everything cares of knowing was able to identify her and all you said oh she took was her phone she didn't take nothing she's seeing it's her phone and everything's here and she always takes her stuff with her my daughter was trying to track her location and they always track each other but her but her phone's wiped the thing is what we can get and she would never have wiped all the pictures off and all the information off of her phone that is as Melissa Casseas' husband's 911 call that we have just obtained.

Joining me now, Glenn Ann Johnson. Glenn Ann is a former weapons engineer. Let that sink in just for a moment. At the U.S. Department of Defense, she worked in Huntsville. Why do we keep hearing Huntsville? That is where a NASA installation exists. and there is also a very, you know, to us laypeople, mysterious lab there as well. She worked at Kirkland Air Force Base in New Mexico where McCausland worked.

She worked at the Naval Service War Center. She has worked on multiple high-tech military weapons, including DEW, lasers, nukes for the Navy and Air Force. Glenn Ann, are you tired of hearing about? highly, highly influential U.S. scientists and lab workers just walking away and committing suicide like it has said Amy Eskridge did after she told Milburn, if I end up dead, I did not commit suicide. Know that. Now, Cassius? So I don't believe any of them committed suicide. And I think we're actually, I think the reason that the reporter got crickets in D.C. is because there's a full

investigation ongoing where I think we're kind of an old-fashioned Moscow rules. And in the old days, it was an unwritten rule that if you kill one of our people, we kill one of yours, you know, United States and Russia. I think this is ongoing with scientists right now. I think they're being maybe kidnapped and then interrogated and then murdered. And I think they're making some of them look like suicide so that it's more denial and it won't have a full investigation. But there's so many of them at this point that it's occurred to that it doesn't make any sense. Do you believe that Melissa Cassius's injuries could have been caused? See, I'm going with a good old-fashioned bullet or blunt object because I understand that.

But with your knowledge, Glenn Ann, do you believe she could have succumbed to a DEW? Directed energy weapon? It's possible. I think she was probably in terror. I think she was hit with directed energy weapons to get her to leave her family to protect them. And I think that she was probably interrogated, which may have involved some kinetic attacks to her skull and what have you. But I think that she was lured away from her home by the directed energy. weapons.

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wherever you get your podcasts. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Many people believe that several of the 17 missing or dead are connected to McCausen, also missing. Let me understand Lauren Conlin, the connection between Melissa Cassius and administrator at L-A-N-L-L-Los-Alamos Nuclear Lab and a. A. FRL, that's the Air Force Research Lab. That's Melissa, okay, who took where there are two very odd items that torpedoes the working theory as to how she died. Now, both Casillas and Chavez

were at AFRL, Air Force Research Lab. Okay. Now wait for it. McAis, General William Neal McHaslin, oversaw the funding, all the funding at AFRL. He also oversaw Monica Hesintharisa, who also disappeared. Also, Stephen Garcia built parts for nuclear weapons connected to AFRL, Air Force Research Lab. That's how they're all connected. And the connections, they're like tentacles that go to all of these missing and dead scientists. Now they want me to believe that Melissa Casillas shot herself, what, like Amy Eskridge? Let me see that picture one more time of her walking along the bridge. This is the last

known photo of Melissa Cassius. The last, the final image of her alive. It's from a surveillance camera near state road 518 in New Mexico. This is three miles from her home. That's something to ponder as well. Typically, in self-inflicted mortal wounds, the person doesn't go for a hike first. Tonight, what happened to scientist Aidan Schaefer as yet another scientist has been looped into this? Last name, Wilcox, straight out to special guests joining us, Georgia Bradburn, joining us from the UK, host of liminality, who has broken the latest on a deceased scientist, Aidan Schaefer. You can find on YouTube interliminality. Georgia, thank you for being with us. Aidan Schaefer. What did he study? So Aden was looking into alternative propulsion. He was involved in space ports in college.

He was studying multiple aspects of ways to get humans into space. And he is believed to have been working on anti-gravity towards the end of his life, unfortunately. But what he was doing towards the end, unfortunately, we do not know. It's unclear what it was he was working on. You know, I'm just curious. When you say propulsion, Georgia, are you referring to jet propulsion? I believe it was field effect propulsion that Aidan was looking into. He wanted to find any sort of alternative that would get humans into space.

he was aiming to do that by some sort of clean energy alternative. From what I can gather, he was very much involved in an alternative to jet engines. He wanted us to get there. And he was involved in space elevators as well. He was doing that for five years. So his research and development was all got geared towards humans in space and looking for alternative ways to get us there. Aidan Schaefer, born, raised, New Mexico,

New Mexico popping up again fascinated with science, space, technology in a field known as field effect propulsion. Listen. I'm curious if the PRC is watching. I know they're in my phone. I've alluded to that earlier today. And it's not just paranoia. That's my professional work life due to being on the inside of APEC because I know China is in my phone. meaning that there's a unit of people somewhere in Hong Kong

that have the same level of access as the NSA. So anyway, use signal everybody. That's him. That's Aidan Schaefer speaking about his fear based on certain incidents that had occurred that his phone was, for lack of a better word, tapped. That was from Vlog of the Day. dead. It's on YouTube. And now I want you to hear something that Chris Swecker told us.

It would not be out of the realm of possibility that China or Russia or some other hostile for an intelligence service would kidnap one of our scientists and try to extract information out of them or turn them, you know, into a double agent. General public tends to be a little bit unaware of the prolific efforts to steal our sensitive technologies from A to Z. Thereafter it day in and day out, and after the people that are working on it, it's a comprehensive, ongoing effort on the part of hostile foreign intelligence services to steal our technology. I think we're going to see this list grow, and it's going to play out in the public eye because it's of great interest to the public. That is our guest tonight, our friend Chris Swecker, former yet

assistant director speaking to Fox Nation, but let's hear it from the horse's mouth. You know, Chris, so often when we hear someone say, I think somebody's listening on my phone, you immediately think they're crazy, right? This guy, Aidan Schaefer, we just saw him speaking. He's not crazy. He thought someone was listening to his phone or gathering information from his phone. and at your level at the FBI, that is not uncommon. You can't overstate how aggressive and proactive,

especially China is in trying to gather up and steal our technology. It isn't just technology in the hands of our defense establishment, if you will. It's any technology that's helpful to them that will help them compete in the world marketplace, in military, in, you know, in research and development, because they don't do their own research and development. They reverse engineering, every, just about everything. They don't have the, you know, the initiatives and the freedom that we have here do that, you know, research and technology. So thereafter every day, he sounded, you know, I agree with you. He sound a little paranoid, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. And in this case,

that may well have been true. Because China, especially, Russia, is at it too, but they're a little more clumsy and they're easier to detect. China is at it all day, every day. Do cyber means, they're trying to compromise scientists, go to trade shows, introduce born exchange students. They're at it all the time. And it wouldn't surprise me at all. This is an alternative theory that one or more of these scientists had been turned and now you're in it and you can never get out of it.

The only way you can get out of it is to take your own life. Chris, I want you and everyone else on our guest panel tonight. I've been watching the videos of Aidan Schaefer over and over and over. I'm just a layperson to detect what I can. I've looked at every word. I just want you to see and hear him speaking. Listen. If you're in the ufology thing, if you talk with Amy, you probably've seen this once or twice.

It's a very hastily done model. Here is what is inside. It's a technical model, just trying to learn out to build a flying saucer. And yes, everything shapes me and things. The parts inside may not actually reflect reality. If anything, I kind of want to redo this one. maybe make it a bit shorter, so it's tighter. I just wanted you to see that, and there's so much more that's from the vlog of the dead.

That is Aidan Schaefer speaking, and there's a lot of it. And he's not just based on that, but everything I've learned, he's brilliant. Joining me now is Lou Elizondo, former U.S. Army Counterintelligence Special Agent, former employee office Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, former Director of Advanced Airspace Threat Identification Program, and UFO Whistleblower.

Wow. Mr. Elizondo, I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Also very curious about Matthew Sullivan, aka Quake, is it true, or do you know, whether an autopsy was

ever performed on Sullivan and what was said to be his cause of death? Yeah, so rather than share what I don't know, let me share with you what I do know. He was an Air Force intelligence officer. He was a colleague of one of my colleagues at the time, Dave Grush. Dave Grush and I had worked at U.S. Space Force together. And Sullivan wanted to come forward and have a conversation with certain members of Congress about the Air Force's involvement in the UFO program. And he was slated within, I think, 24 hours.

He had gone to Washington, D.C., and was in a hotel from my understanding, and was going to have a conversation with some members of Congress in a SCIF. A SCIF is a sensitive compartmented information facility. So it's kind of like a think of a secret vault where you can have conversations at the classified level. And the day before he was supposed to have a conversation or two days before, he wound up being found dead.

I knew what I do know is that there was a while before the medical examiner even released a report. It kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed. I don't know the reason why it was delayed, but I do know that members of Congress were very concerned the fact that this individual was supposed to testify and wound up dead. And by the way, this wasn't the only one. There was another individual whose name, I won't mention because it hasn't been made public yet, but he was an individual, an engineer who was allegedly tied to the exploitation of recovered UFO material. He was talking to one of my colleagues, and he was going to go talk to Congress about his knowledge,

about legacy U.S. government legacy UFO efforts. And within, I think, a week or so before he was supposed to go to Washington, D.C., he wound up dying. And the cause of death, I don't know, but one of my colleagues was following it very closely and was concerned enough to tell me, hey, look, you know, people are starting to disappear. You may want to be very careful. So there does seem to be a very interesting, you can call it a coincidence, but in my line of work as a former intelligence officer, you know, when things happen once, it's an anomaly, when things happen twice, you could chalk it up as a coincidence. But when it happens three times, now you have a trend. That said, I would be remiss if I did not mention physicist, brilliant physicist, Dr. Ning Lee.

She had been awarded $450,000 from the DOD, and she disappeared briefly. Then she was mowed down in a crosswalk. Nobody else went out in the crosswalk, but she was suddenly thrust into the crosswalk. she got mowed down her husband immediately had a heart attack and later died she was brain dead

and then later died to Stephanie Hurlow joining us co-host Crime Weekly podcast what can you tell me about her? I know she's Chinese American and I know that she was brilliant and I know nobody but her

ended up in that crosswalk when she got mowed down. Dr. Nangley worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and she was doing anti-gravity work and research there. She then left the university after a significant amount of time there, and she started her own business, and then the government came calling, and they gave her that grant to work on continued anti-gravity research, because this is Huntsville.

They do that stuff there, as well as advanced propulsion research. And then she started working with the government. And at that point, she kind of went dark. And there was a big thing online for a while because people thought she disappeared. She was off the map for quite a bit. And there was a journalist who was trying to find her to talk to her about her research. And he couldn't find her. And he reached out to another anti-gravity researcher, Eugene Polinock.

And Eugene said, oh, she's working for the government. She just can't talk to anybody about what she's doing right now. But Eugene also said, I haven't been able to reach her either. And it was several years later when this same journalist finally tracked down Dr. Nangley's son, and the son said she had been a hit. She had been in a terrible car accident, which had left her with permanent brain damage. She developed dementia. And then he took care of her for several years until she finally passed.

away from this, but she was never the same, obviously. She never went back to work. You know what's interesting, Stephanie, is that Dr. Lee has been compared to Amelia Earhart. She is the Amelia Earhart of physics, the scientists that many people say, quote, discovered anti-gravity. That's the significance of who is Dr. Ning Lee. she is was brilliant now i'm hearing that a female space scientist died after a boulder fell on her car what's the odds of that happening straight out to lauren conland joining us investigative reporter

with the los angeles l a magazine star of pop crime tv co-host you can find her at pop crime tv Lauren, why did I have to find that buried amongst all sorts of outlandish theories regarding these missing scientists and dead scientists? Is any of that true? Who is Ingrid Lane? And is it true? She has disappeared, but her car is found with a boulder attack? Yes. So as far as we know, Nancy, she is still alive.

is just missing. Ingrid Lane, she was a beautiful musician. She played the violin, but she was also a neuroscientist and a bioengineer affiliated with the Mind Research Network at the University of New Mexico. Now this place, the Mind Research Network, it had ties to Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories. So that is where this very, very striking connection comes in. The way that Ingrid disappeared is so chilling Nancy. She was actually at a retreat that she she was supposed to be on a week long retreat at a place called the Bodie Manda Zen Center. And according to reports and friends and family, she was very familiar with this place. She had been going there, I guess on and off for about 10 years. It was about an hour from where she lived in the Albuquerque area. So she's there for one day. The very next day, she tells us. people that she's going for a drive. She's got to go back to Albuquerque. She's got to go back to Los Alamos. She wants to hike over there and she'll be back later. Now this struck a few people as odd because it's like you're going on a Zen retreat, but now you want to drive a bunch of hours,

even though you're supposed to be meditating. Now here's where it gets a little weird. So she's driving along state route 144 and near the San Antonio Mountain and the Baez-Coledra National preserve. She is going up and up and up to the top of this mountain. Now, two people find her because she is having car trouble and they ask her, you know, do you need some help? And she says, you know, I'm fine. I will fix my car. They said she seemed very determined to get to the top of this mountain. So according to these two people, they walk along and she continues. Now, later, as you mentioned, her car was found after there was an Apple air tag that police tracked when she was reported missing. Now, there was a large boulder that had shattered near the rear hatch window of her Subaru,

and the front showed reportedly major front end collision damage. We don't really have an explanation about that, but three laptops found inside that car, Nancy, an unactivated burner phone, and her keys were still in the ignition. The total is now up to 18 missing or dead scientists. And I want you to listen to this. You've got McCausen who just walked away and never seen again. Schaefer who died in custody on a contested claim. Hesinthariza just seemingly just beamed up out of a heavily wooded area. She's never seen again.

Chavez still missing. Cassias now claims she committed suicide, although no COD has been offered. There's no bullet, which means no suicide. Garcia missing. Maywald. No cause of death since 2024. Jason Thomas is found dead in a pond. Michael David Hicks, it was said he died of obesity.

Okay. Amy Eskridge. David Wilcock, Joshua LeBlank, Matthew Sullivan, top clearance. Ning Lee, renowned scientist, walks in front of a car. Ingrid Lane, still missing after a boulder attacked her car, but where was her body? Kevin, Childress, dead on the sofa. Okay, Glenan Johnson, weapons engineer with the U.S. Department of Defense. What do you make of the list I just gave you?

Well, it's happening. What happened to them is happening to a lot of people with top secret clearance that had nothing to do with UFOs and found foreign malicious code and parts in U.S. systems, especially U.S. air, workforce systems. And they changed my medical records to say that I had anxiety, mental depression, things that I've never had. And it was from medical records from Vanderbilt, a place I've never been. So they were setting it up to do the same thing to me. It's happening to my friends that own companies that found code injections from the same locations, Huntsville, Alabama, and Curtlin Air Force Base, New Mexico. So I think that all of these people's connection is that

They tried to stop terrorism and counterterrorism from occurring. They blew the whistle on something, and there are people, bad actors, that murdered them for it, and they made it look like a suicide. If you know or think you know anything regarding the missing and dead scientists and lab workers, please dial 800 call FBI. 800. Call FBI 225-5-3-2-4. We remember American hero Captain Christopher Garrow, New York State Police,

died as a result of being a hero in the September 11 attacks. Served our country for 23 years leaving behind his wife, Jillian and two daughters, Ella and Maggie. American hero Captain Christopher Garrow. Thank you to our guests, but especially you for being with us tonight. Nancy Gray, signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast, guaranteed human.