Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DEATH BY SPRING BREAK; 24-year-old Christine Englehart found half-naked, dead

Episode Date: March 25, 2021

Christine Englehart was found partially clothed and dead inside her room at the Albion Hotel in Miami Beach. Two North Carolina men are accused of drugging and sexually assaulting the 24-year-old woman. Evoire Collier, 21, and Dorian Taylor, 24, are seen on surveillance video walking with the victim, who appeared intoxicated or drugged. The men told investigators they gave her a pill before heading back to her hotel to have sex with her. Video shows they used her credit card to buy alcohol at a liquor store. The pair also stole her phone.Joining Nancy Grace today: Kim D'Avignon - Assistant Criminal District Attorney, Tarrant County Criminal District Attorney’s Office, Chief: Adult Sexual Assault Unit, 8 years in Crimes against Children Unit Dr. Alan Blotcky Ph.D. - Clinical Psychologist (Birmingham) specializing in forensic cases Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet" featured on "Poisonous Liaisons" on True Crime Network  Justin Boardman - Retired Detective, West Valley City Police Department Special Victim’s Unit, Boardman Training & Consulting, Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker, Lead Stories dot Com Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. A gorgeous young co-ed travels all the way from Bucks County, Pennsylvania, for spring break to Miami. It was anything but festive. This gorgeous young girl, Christine Englehart, dead, found half naked, strewn across her bed in a hotel room. Now, how did that happen? With me, an all-star panel to break it down and put it back together again. But first, take a listen to this. Christine Englehart's friends tell ABC6 that the 24-year-old woman loves running and animals and life.

That's pretty evident from this Facebook Live post. Oh, we're live! We're live from Philadelphia! Look at the view, guys. We're live. Oh, my God. How do I turn this off? In fact, friends say she was one in a million. She was the person you brought in that made everything, lit up the whole room, you know?

Her laugh was like the most contagious laugh. Englehart grew up in Richboro, Pennsylvania, attending and graduating Council Rock High School North in Newtown. For the last four years, Englehart has been an assistant manager at Jules Thin Crust Pizza. According to her mother, Englehart traveled to Florida alone. But friends are also quick to point out that Englehart is very cautious. In July of 2019, Englehart shared on Facebook about experiences she had had at Tyler State Park. She said on two separate occasions, a man in a car beeped at her and waved to get her attention. She wrote, always go with your gut. Please be on alert for any suspicious people or cars.

This is a dangerous world now, unfortunately, and you never know what anyone's true intentions are. It just breaks my heart. You are hearing from our friends at CrimeOnline.com. This girl is so precious. She reminds me when I was hearing her voice, that reminds me of Lucy and John David. My twins are 13 and they will get on their phones and try to make videos, and Lucy can never turn it off, and it's just the dissolved laughing. And I'm just thinking about how full of life this young girl was. She was studying nursing at a local community college, had just finished a half marathon, was always posting about taking in animals,

being kind to animals, just so loving, working her way through school at Jules Pizza. And to think of her found half naked, dead in a hotel room, raped. Stop it all off. With me, an all-star panel that I mentioned before. First of all, Kim Davignon, Assistant Criminal District Attorney, Tarrant County. There in Texas, the Chief of the Adult Sex Assault Unit, eight years in crimes against children. Dr. Alan Blotke, Ph.D., renowned psychologist, joining us out of Birmingham.

And he specializes in forensic cases. And boy, do I need to shrink today. Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a brand new series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons, death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. You will find him featured at CrimeOnline.com in the upcoming days as the Derek Chauvin trial goes forward. Justin Boardman, former detective, the West Valley City Police Department Special Victims Unit. He's now at Boardman Training and Consulting, and you can find him at JustinBoardman.com. But first, to CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter,

also with LeadStories.com, Alexis Tereszczuk. Alexis, you know, I think about how thrilled you were when you had your baby boy. You know, you put all that love, all that energy, all your money, yeah, bye-bye money, everything, but all your hopes and your dreams for them, you pour all that into your child or your children to have two pervs come along and just like that, snuff out their life. And then, you know, Alexis, these two that left her either dead or dying,

then ran out and continued the party with her credit cards there at Miami Beach. But you know what? I'm putting the cart before the horse. You start with the facts, Alexis. Start at the beginning with her going 1,200 miles just to have a break and have some fun from working and studying 24-7, 365. That's exactly what she has been doing. She's been studying. In the middle of the COVID pandemic, she is studying to be a nurse. She has a heart of gold. She wants to help people. So she takes a break for spring break, heads down to Miami Beach, flies from Philadelphia all the way down. Hold it. Hold it. Dr. Alan Blotky,

did you hear what Alexis Tereshchuk just said? I hadn't thought of that. In the middle of COVID, when health workers are risking their lives to save people, this girl's trying to wade into the fray, trying to get her nursing degree to help people at a time when it could be risking her own life. What does that say to you, Blocky? I mean, it just corroborates everything you've said in your opening, which is that she's a loving, open person who cares about others more than herself, perhaps. And that's just a central part of who she was and who she was. Jackie here in the studio with me, look at her. Look at the picture of her there with her mother.

I mean, that big smile right here, she's awesome happy because she just finished that marathon. And she's looking at the camera, big smile, full of life. It just, Alexis, it just makes me sick. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Start over. So she is in Miami Beach, rents a hotel room, goes out to a restaurant to have some fun.

And that is where she meets these two men, meets them in a restaurant. They are together in this restaurant. They're seen together in the restaurant. Who? Who's together in the restaurant? The two guys or the two guys and Christine? All three of them. She meets the two guys are together in the restaurant.

She meets them in the restaurant. They meet in a restaurant like a party. This is spring break in Miami is a party everywhere. You're giving me a flashback of Natalie Holloway, where she met Jorn Vandersloot on her senior trip party break and meets him. I swear, I think he slipped her a roofie. And that's how she ends up dead. But so this is where they meet. She had no prior connection to these two at all. And I'm referring to Evar Collier, age 21, and Dorian Taylor, age 24.

So they met when she happened to go to this restaurant, right? Exactly. That's what we know so far. Nobody has said. They have not said that they knew her. None of her friends have said that she was planning on meeting them down there. So they leave the restaurant together. They go back to her hotel room.

This is where they are seen on video. Wait a minute. Aren't you skipping something, Alexis? Which I consider to be a very critical moment. Now, correct me if I'm wrong because you know the facts better than I do. But isn't it true that according to what one of the young men said, as they walk from the restaurant to the Albion Hotel along the ocean, they slip her or give her a green pill. Yes, they do. They have told police that they give her a green pill.

Now, they say they thought this pill was a Percocet, which is a painkiller that you take after major... Why? Was she in pain? Why did they give she in pain why they gave her a pill no probably not no they gave her a pill and she when they get to the hotel there is video surveillance of this and the police have described and this is a really scary description i just want people to know about they say that these men are walking into the hotel with her and one of them she is basically unable to walk one is holding her up by the she can't even stand up no okay they are in this hotel room they this is her hotel room this isn't theirs they go in the hotel room the next time we see them is a mere 30 minutes later leaving this, they're seen again on video.

Wait, wait, wait. Who is seen leaving? The two men are seen leaving. Not her. No. No. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let me go out to Justin Boardman, former detective, West Valley City PD.

You know, Justin, I know you were listening to what Alexis just said, and this is critical. The green pill that the two perps thought was a Percocet. Why would you be giving her a Percocet other than trying to mix drugs and alcohol to make her pass out? But the hotel video, surveillance video, shows them all coming in. She was out of it based on whatever they gave her. So we've got the video of her leaving the restaurant and she's fine. We've got the video of her coming in the hotel and she can hardly stand up. They're holding her by the back of the neck,

neck, trying to help her onto the elevator. So whatever happened to her happened on that walk. And that is consistent with the defendant's statement that they gave her or slipped her surreptitiously a green pill as they walked from the restaurant to the hotel. Another significant thing, if you'll recall, again, let me call on the Natalie Holloway case. Later was Toshiana Flores, his second murder victim. He is caught on surveillance in the hallway of her hotel, Toshiana Flores, and he's looking around and it shows he's the only one going in and out of that room. Justin Boardman, I bet you that hotel has hallway surveillance as well that we're going to learn even more from.

Absolutely. I agree with you. I would believe it would be a lot more video of showing how this would not have been consensual and a consensual encounter due to her level of being intoxicated or incapacitated by that matter one thing I would also be concerned about is hotel front desk help. And I would be talking to them to see if they saw anything. But also, why didn't they intervene? Why didn't they start asking any sort of questions if she needed help, if they needed help, so on and so forth. And then when the men left, would be to maybe follow up, do a welfare check or something like that.

Hold on. You're giving me a lot of information right now. And you know what? He's right. To Kim Davignon, Assistant DA in Tarrant County, Texas, Chief Adult Sex Assault Unit. Kim, right there. Isn't that what a hotel clerk is supposed to do? See people coming in and out?

They can't see this woman, can't even stand up? You're exactly right. I mean, we don't know right now if they came in a way where other people saw them. I can't tell that from the information that's been disclosed. But unfortunately, it's not uncommon in cases where people see literally incapacitated women being brought into hotels or apartments and no one does anything because there is kind of a culture around it that, well, we don't people people don't want to get involved because they just don't understand that incapacitated means no consent. And so they go, oh, well, they're partying and let it go. And so, yes, to your point, if someone saw it, that's incredibly problematic. We don't know if that's true, but I would certainly

be asking anyone that worked in that hotel lobby. Man, you're not kidding, Kim. And another thing, we were talking about video. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, I know you're familiar with the Jennifer Dulos case, husband photos, Dulos, and then of course the lover, Michelle Traconis. Remember in that case, Joe Scott, the cops there in Connecticut did an incredible job piecing together a timeline through video surveillance. And I was so impressed. They got the neighbors in the neighborhood, home video surveillance of Jennifer coming home after dropping the children off at school. Then they pieced together surveillance of the vehicle in question, which was Votis Dulos carrying her dead body to get rid of it, all through the neighborhood because of surveillance video from the homes. Then along business establishments,

then they have even where a public bus was stopped and a door opened and you see the car go by. And that is how they were able to put together a lot of what they know about the timeline. I think that's going to have to be done here because I don't believe that this girl willingly took a green pill that the perps thought was Percocet on her own. I think she was slipped it and maybe, maybe video can show that, Joe Scott. Yeah, quite possibly. And I would imagine that these bars, because Nancy, they're down there on Ocean Drive, which runs literally in Miami Beach, right along the shore there. And I would imagine this location that they were in with her, they probably got videography inside of that location, too.

You can actually see probably the interaction that they're having with her. Not to mention, if you can do that, you can also pinpoint people that may have been around them in their proximity to go back and interview them. Say, hey, what did you see with these guys? Did you see them interacting with her? Did you see her behavior? Well, OK, can I just say, Joe Scott, not only do I think they're from what I know now and their own statements, I think they're culpable for felony murder, all right? Because what you're hearing from Alexis is largely coming from the younger one, Evar Calder, who's singing like a bird. And he says that they intended to have sex with this girl. Sex, it's rape. But they also committed a burglary. When they walked into that room with the intent to have sex with a, an unconscious woman.

They also stole things and she ended up dead. That's classic felony murder. You commit a felony burglary going in her room to steal stuff and she ends up dead. Bam. You don't have to show he intended to drug her to the point she died. All you need is a felony and a death there in. Um, also let me ask you something else,

Joe Scott, deaf investigator. If this were Percocet, would it have acted that quickly? I had a Percocet once when I broke my foot and it really did nothing to me. It was just like nothing. Would that have made her pass out? No, no, no, and no. These guys are lying. They gave her Rehoboam. Rehoboam comes, it's a caplet, and it'll come in kind of an olive drab, sometimes green color tablet.

And it's got kind of a blue interior to it, and it's easily dissolved. Let me tell you how this works, Nancy. And I know your listeners, like any of us on the panel probably, if you've ever gone for surgery, before they actually give you anesthesia, they'll give you a sedative-like drug, and it kind of calms you, like an Ativan or something like that. Oh, no, I wouldn't take that. Whenever I've had surgery, I'm like, no.

I want to see exactly what you're doing as I go on. Oh, well, you're braver than me. Hey, look, this thing kind of chills you out. And the thing about Rehoboam, it's in that family of benzodiazepines, things like Xanax and that sort of thing. But it's like you kick it up 15 notches from there. And so it puts you it will literally put you in this dreamlike state. And not to mention, it can actually induce unconsciousness, depending upon the dosage, your body weight, and all that stuff. That's what they gave her. You know, it's a dead giveaway when they say that it was a green pill.

And so this makes her malleable. This makes her, they can manipulate her in any way they want to. There's even a report that they were having to hold her by her neck in order to get her to stand up in the elevator. Why would she die? I'm just wondering if it was positional asphyxia or if they killed her. I mean, I've only, Alexis, to rest your head, back to you, Crime Online and leadstories.com.

Alexis, I've only got their word for it, that she was alive when they left the room. Why should I believe them? That's the whole thing. These are the guys that have been arrested. Of course they're going to say she was alive. So they're not going to tell the truth about what happened. And the police are not taking this lightly. Like, I am so glad that there were so many surveillance videos because, you know, they did, they stole her credit cards they stole her iphone and or her telephone and they used them and continued the party they use this girl what she's either dead or dying um in a hotel room used her credit cards and cash to go buy liquor and a whole a lot other things. And it's all on surveillance video.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the untimely death, I say murder, of a gorgeous 24-year-old co-ed studying nursing. She goes to spring break and never comes back home by admission because of these two, 24-year-old Dorian Taylor, who I believe has a rap sheet. I'm trying to confirm that. And 21-year-old Evar Collier, who does not have a rap sheet. Take a listen to our friends at CBS3 KYW-TV Philly. The men were both seen on surveillance at her hotel, walking her to her room. Police do not believe they had consent to go inside. They asked sexual and once she was unconscious or out,

it remained inside the unit and I called for assistance or help and began to take all her items from inside the apartment. Hotel staff found the 24-year-old's half-naked body the following day and called police. A search for the suspects was launched with police eventually tracking them both down. And here is Alisa Hyman, NBC6 South Florida, WTVJ. According to detectives, 21-year-old Ivare Collier and 24-year-old Dorian Taylor were

seen on surveillance video walking with the victim into the hotel. Adding the video made it clear the victim was intoxicated or drugged and unable to give consent. She was actually staggering a little bit. And at one point, a co-defendant, Taylor, held her behind her or on her neck to basically keep her stable. The detective told the judge one of the defendants admitted they had sex with her. And once she was unconscious, the detectives said they stole her phone, credit cards, and cash. Did they ever try and call for assistance for her or call 911 to try and get her help? No, ma'am.

Yeah, I'm not so convinced that she was alive when they left the room. Hey, back to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University. How long does a roofie stay in your system? And is a roofie the same as GHB, gamma hydroxybutyrate? Is that what a roofie stay in your system? And is a roofie the same as GHB, gamma hydroxybutyrate? Is that what a roofie is? Yeah, they're all similar and they're in the same family. If what they're saying is accurate, this is a drug, Rohibonol. And so, yeah, they're kind of in the same family. But this is the thing about it, Nancy, if she is dead, it's not going to matter if, if say, for instance, she would have died in short order. So the body stops

metabolizing the drug at that point. So we've got them, we've got them because at post at autopsy, remember this, this autopsy is pending toxicology, Nancy, it's pending toxicology. So it's going to be there and we will be able to get, or the Miami-Dade medical examiner will be able to get exacting levels in her system that can marry up to the combination of alcohol she probably had on board as well. That in and of itself might be lethal, okay? But I suspect that there's something else going on here because this is a sexual attack. This is going to be a lot of anger that's involved in this. It would not, it would not, it would not surprise me if suffocation or some kind of obstruction of the airway is not

involved in this case. Yeah. They keep saying we're waiting on toxicology, but I'm just wondering if she died of positional asphyxia. In other words, lying there on the bed, passed out. If a pillow was right here, she could have died that way. This is still felony murder. I don't know why they keep saying we're waiting on toxicology. I don't care if it was a Percocet or a roofie, GHB, gamma hydroxybutyrate. Whatever happened, it made her pass out. They raped her. They committed

burglary by their own admission and she's dead. I mean, Kim to Avignon, maybe I'm not explaining it correctly. Felony murder does not require intent. It doesn't matter if it was a Percocet or a Roofie, the date rape drug. It matters they gave it to her. They had sex with her when she was unconscious and she died. It doesn't matter. They intended to kill her. Right. I mean, felony murder, it doesn't, you know, your other types of murder, you look at what the person intended to have cause happen. But in felony murder, what you're looking at was someone in the course of committing a felony.

And did they commit an act clearly dangerous to human life? And so, you know, it's, it's, there's a million versions of it, but to your point, if you are committing a felony and a sexual assault, a burglary, all those would, would count as a, as a felony. Um, and then it is dangerous to human life. IE, you see someone who's clearly, um, from the pill you gave them, clearly in distress, maybe not breathing, those kind of things, then yes, that is clearly dangerous to human life. Here's the example I would always give juries. Let's use Jackie here in the studio with me. Jackie and I decide to rob a bank. And we agree, nobody's going to get hurt. We go in, Jackie gets a wild hair, pulls her Uzi and start shooting guns down a teller. I'm like, what?

I'm on the hook for felony murder. I didn't want anybody to die, but it doesn't matter. I'm committing a felony and a death occurs. Bam. Felony murder here. They're committing a burglary, which means you go into a dwelling, be it a hotel room, and you commit a felony with intent to commit a felony therein, rape or stealing, and somebody dies. That's all it is. Now, that is implied.

There is implied intent as well and explicit. For instance, I take a gun, I point it, and pull the trigger. What do I intend to happen? A death. That's different from felony murder. And I think that's what they need to be looking at. Felony murder. Guys,

take a listen to Our Cut 8. This is Alicia Reed, CBS3, KYW-TV Philly. Listen to these two. When apprehended on Ocean Drive, police say Collier was wearing the same pants seen on surveillance the night he was with the victim. Taylor was not only seen on video using the victim's credit card at a liquor store, police say Christine's cell phone and additional green pills were found in his bag. The co-defendants are facing sexual battery, burglary, credit card fraud, and theft charges. I'm not setting him on. He's being held no bond. It's a very serious charge.

He battered a helpless victim. Dr. Alan Blotke, PhD, clinical psychologist. Dr. Blotke, I have so many memories from cases I prosecuted, but I want to compare something. I remember trying a drug lord and I really wanted him behind bars because he sold to minors and he sold by his skill. I'm talking heroin and cocaine. He didn't care. So the night of the offense, it was dark outside and the witness didn't get a good look, could very very easily describe the red i think it was adidas tracksuit top and bottom with the white stripes going down the side you know how happy i was blocky when the guy comes into court that day he was out on bond in the red Adidas tracksuit. There he was.

And in this case, these guys have on the same clothing they were wearing in the video the night she died. Plus, they still have her cell phone and her credit cards on them when they're arrested. I mean, Blackie, what are they thinking? They're still wearing the same clothes? The ultimate of arrogance, you know? Like, they're protected. Nobody's going to get them. They're anonymous.

Nobody has seen anything. We're arrogant. We pulled it off. And not only did we pull it off, we're going to do it again. Because I guarantee you, if they had not been apprehended, they would have tried it again. And I'm sure they've done it in the past. It's the ultimate of arrogance. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Guys, we are talking about the death of a beautiful young girl, nursing student, putting herself through school at Jewel Thin Crust there in Philly. So happy to get to go on spring break. These two guys, Evar Collier and Dorian Taylor, have just appeared in court. Alexis Tereshchuk, why were they in court? Where they were requesting to be released from jail. And in fact, Collier's sister came down from North Carolina and begged the judge to let them be released on bond. And the judge said, no, these guys are staying in jail. We don't even know what she died from yet. And we're not taking a chance that we're going to let them out and that they will disappear and not come back and not be held responsible for this. So this is their very first court appearance.

And they are sitting in jail still. And I think it's really important to point out, as Jessica Morgan said, that the pills are green. And that reporter on news said they were found with a bag of those. They definitely. Okay, wait, wait, wait. I didn't realize they had a whole bag. That's what the local reporter just said. Yeah, you're right. There was a bag. They were using these. And I guess that goes back to what Blotke, Dr. Blotke said earlier, would probably use them again. We were talking earlier about this happening to Natalie Holloway, but do you

remember the case of the Stanford star student? Yes. Brock Turner, as I recall his name. Take a listen to our friends at Inside Edition. Former Stanford University star swimmer Brock Turner got just six months after being convicted of sexual assault. He will be released in three months. The sentence has led to outrage. A petition calling for Judge Aaron Persky to step down has 1.5 million signatures. And in that case, the victim of the sex assault had been slipped a roofie at a frat party. And she wakes up outside by a dumpster being assaulted in the dirt. And of course, here is Jeff Glore at CBS regarding Holloway, Natalie Holloway. Charged with the murder of 21-year-old Stephanie Flores,

Joran van der Sloot has been talking, but not about that murder case. During an interview with a Dutch newspaper, van der Sloot admits to extorting $25,000 from the parents of Natalie Holloway in exchange for the location of their daughter's body. When asked why, he says he did it because he wanted to get back at them. And by all accounts, Alexis Tereschuk, Natalie Holloway, goes to a bar while on a school break, their senior trip, Carlos and Charlie's, down in Aruba, and suddenly,

after a drink at the bar, she leaves with a guy she's never met before. He later says she started foaming at the mouth and died, obviously having been slipped a roofie. Do you remember that, Alexis?

I do, because I knew some friends of hers in Mountain Brook, Alabama. But I think that he lied so much. Jorn Vandersloot lied so much, and he lied. He manipulated Natalie's mom for years, about how what he had done to her and finally admitted they had sex. Well, his his admission was they had sex on the beach and she started growing up. No, this is the same as this situation. She was raped and probably died. And then he got rid of her body. So let me ask you, Justin Boardman, a former detective, West Valley City PD at Justin Boardman, former detective, West Valley City PD at justinboardman.com now. Justin, there's so many directions to go in proving this case. What would you do first?

Well, I would do a lot of these. Certainly the video evidence is super important. We've talked a little bit about the pants that the suspects were wearing. I would also complete a warrant for each one of the suspects bodies and have the forensic exam done on the males as well. There would be a lot of evidence there on certain body parts and so on and so forth. I would also build a track record. So I would want to show how they planned this out, how they targeted her.

And this was targeted. So Florida right now and legislatures are addressing their hate crimes statute. This was women are targeted much more than other classes of people. And they targeted her because she was a woman. You know, I hadn't thought of this as being a hate crime, but you're absolutely correct. And I want to follow up with something you and Dr. Alan Blocky was referring to the arrogance that they had.

Alexis Tereschuk, isn't it true that after this incident where Christine Englehart is left for dead or dead, they're then caught photobombing another young girl out on the boardwalk there along the ocean? Did you see that? Yes, I did. And I am just, again, so impressed how quickly these guys were caught. To me, they just look like regular young men, nothing about them. There are no, like, crazy tattoos that identify them or anything like that. But they were so quickly identified on social media.

Yeah, they were photobombing other women. But there's other things. For instance, her credit cards were used. So they go to those locations and they see even better photos, photo surveillance of these two and what they look like. But, yeah, out of the thousands and thousands of people flooding Miami for spring break, I mean, they've had to put in a curfew. They're calling in five law enforcement agencies to keep the peace in Miami right now. Everything's gone haywire. And in the middle of this, Christine Englehart ends up dead.

So, Joe Scott Morgan, let me talk to you about COD, cause of death. In my mind, that is going to be the critical factor in this case. Apparently, we're the only ones thinking about felony murder as an option because they are saying they got to figure out what the drug was. I don't think the drug matters. Could she have died of positional asphyxia? How would a roofie kill her? How could Percocet kill her? Give me your best analysis, Joe Scott Morgan. I sure will. And this is, you know, let's reflect back what we said just a moment ago when you're talking about Natalie's death and he had mentioned that she was foaming at the mouth. Do you remember that? Well, one of the things that's going on with that, with that

is that the drug that he is applying can send her into respiratory failure. Now, it doesn't matter if, you know, what happens is that her respiratory system has shut down. Again, did they smother her in addition to that, or did they try to choke her out? You have this kind of, this substance that's helping this event along, because it's suppressed. She's already compromised, Nancy. Here's my worry about this because Miami is chaotic right now. All of our kids at JSU are on spring break this week and I've been watching the news and everything that's going on down there. How many other people, how many other young women had these two already targeted? Because the sexual assault element to this is so very shameful that sometimes women won't report it. Victims won't report it. They've got a sack of these pills, Nancy. I wonder how

many other young women, spring break's been going on for a while down there. Are they just kind of floating around and targeting these people? You know, she had mentioned that they were actually photobombing people, that you're that bold. That means that you've set up a target group out there where you're going around, you're looking for people specifically. And unfortunately, this poor woman was wound up in this lethal situation, which they killed her. This is a murder.

And let's don't forget this, Nancy. Florida is a capital offense state. So we'll see how this plays out. And another thing, to Kim Davignon, assistant DA in Tarrant County, Texas, I saw that one of the defendants, and I believe it was Evwar Collier, in that bond hearing was wearing a suicide vest. One, and this is the law, black and white letter of the law that will be given to this jury. One may immediately regret the deed thereafter,

but that does not negate the intent nor the act at the time of the offense. Agree? Disagree? Agree. I mean, we don't look at a case and say, you felt bad about it later, so it doesn't matter. It's what you did in the moment. And to the point we just made, clearly they didn't feel bad afterwards. They went out and kept partying. They partied! Thank you, Kim. He's crying now, but he wasn't crying in that liquor store, that photo bomb.

We wait as justice unfolds to all of you spring breakers. If you have video, if you have pictures, look at them. Tell us what you can find. Call 1-800-656-HOPE, 1-800-656-4673. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Grace Crime Story signing off. Goodbye, friend.