Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Did GLAM 'RUSSIAN' SWINGER take out HIT ON HUBBY?

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Tatyana Remley stands charged with soliciting someone to kill her husband. Remley approaches a friend with an offer of $2 million dollars to end her estranged husband's life. The friend went to police, who set up a sting.   The couple is in the midst of a divorce. In her filings, Remley says her husband held a gun to her head, threatening to kill her, and chased her around the house with a knife, trying to kill her. Remley is asking the court for $15,000 a month in spousal support, saying she pays  $12,000 in monthly expenses.   In 2012, the Remley couple gained attention for orchestrating a mobile equestrian event named “Valitar in Del Mar.” The show was quickly canceled, however, plunging the couple into lawsuit battles with vendors who claimed they didn’t get paid. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kathleen Murphy - Family Attorney  Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA. (voted 'My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice' of 2023) Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, and Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital Robin Dreeke – Behavior Expert & Retired FBI Special Agent / Chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program; Author: “Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agents Manual for Behavior Prediction;” Twitter: @rdreeke Brad Watts – Licensed Professional Counselor and Certified Sex Offender Treatment Provider (who specializes in working with families where sibling sexual abuse has occurred); Author: “Sibling Sexual Abuse: America’s Silent Epidemic;” bradwattslpc.com, Instagram: @bradwattslpc Bridget Brandon - Horse Specialist and President of The Equine Expert; facebook.com/theequineexpert   Jen Smith - Chief Reporter for DailyMail.com; Twitter: @jen_e_smith  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I Heart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a glamorous Russian equestrian take out a two million dollar hit according to the press and you can take that with a box of salt she is a sex crazed bisexual who loved doing naughty things and being an icy bitch to male lovers you know what I don't care about any of that. I care about the alleged hit. And is this guy still alive? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. You know, it's not every day you hear these words

in one sentence. Glamorous Russian equestrian accused of taking out a $2 million hit. You know what? She obviously has not been listening to Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111, or she would know you can get a hit, man. For what, Jackie? What was the last one for? $2,000? $500? Wow. A $2 million hit? Okay. I know a lot of you, especially our behavior expert and our licensed counselor, are going to be interested, and they're men, of course, so they're probably going to want to talk to you about the sex-crazed bisexual aspect of this, if that's even true. But I want to talk about the hit.

Anna Remley had lived a life of luxury in Del Mar, filled with multi-million dollar homes, prize horses and sports cars. I've always wanted to start a show. 42-year-old Tatiana Remley captured the spotlight back in 2012 for her involvement in a failed multi-million dollar horse show at the Del Mar Fairgrounds. And tonight she's bars, now facing far more serious allegations of trying to have her husband, 57-year-old Mark Remley, killed for $2 million. They sure are throwing around a lot of money. And did you hear her voice? I always wanted to put on a show.

It sounds like John, David, and Lucy, when they would put on a magic show at the Christmas gathering or the Thanksgiving gathering or the summer gathering with all the lynches and the graces all together. They want to, quote, put on a show. And then we find out it's a very, very expensive horse show. Who has that kind of money to throw around? Well, I think I might know the answer to that. Take a listen to more from our friends at CBS 8. According to the Sheriff's Department, Remley tried to hire a hitman sometime between July 1st and August 2nd, right around the time she had filed for divorce. On July 3rd, investigators say they received a tip that Remley was trying to have her husband killed one day after a suspicious fire at their home on Rancho R

department then launched undercover detective met in Solana Beach where she detailed information on h killed and his body dispo allegedly brought with he as well as cash to place a down payment for the murder leading to her arrest. I've got an all-star panel, but before I go to Chief Investigative Reporter for DailyMail.com, Jen Smith,

Kathleen Murphy is with me, high-profile divorce lawyer. You can find her at ncdomesticlaw.com. Kathleen Murphy, I know you've handled so many divorces, you can hardly keep them all straight. But what is wrong with rich people? I mean, there are people in this world eking out a living. They don't have enough to eat. They have what we call food insecurity. They don't know where their next meal is coming from. They've got children that don't have enough to eat. They barely have a roof over their head. They go paycheck to paycheck. Hey, I've been there, that whole paycheck to paycheck thing. I've worked the three jobs. I get it. So it seems to me the more money people get,

the more miserable they are. Nancy, I have a policy in my office that if crazy walks through the door, they're going to walk right back out. I just don't have the time to deal with that when we have children who really have needs. And this couple didn't even have any children between them and they're acting like pure fools. In North Carolina, you don't even get to bring any of this shazazzle into an equitable distribution. Okay, is that a technical legal term they did not teach me either at Mercer Law School, the Walter F. George School of Law, or NYU shazazzle? Is that one of your, what?

That is a legal term. North Carolina? That is a legal term. And what may I ask, does shazazzle mean? Bullshit. Oh, okay, got it. That's what that is. Okay. Yeah, that is a technical legal term. Thank you. I've got a new word. Guys, we are talking about a so-called

glamorous Russian equestrian boy. Do I've got a surprise for you? Who is accused of taking out a $2 million hit on her husband. And with me right now, Dr. Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at AngelaArnoldMD.com. What is wrong with rich people? I didn't really get a good answer from Kathleen Murphy. I learned a new legal term, shazazzle. But what is wrong with them? A $2 million hit? I mean, they've got money coming out of their rear ends. So Nancy, I believe that when people become so wealthy that they lose their purpose in life, they have no purpose in life. They can have whatever they want. They don't have to wait for anything. And it changes your mindset when you don't have a purpose. You don't have to work. You don't have to have delayed gratification.

And it makes people unhappy. You know what my grandmother said, Dr. Angie Arnold, idle hands are the devil's workshop. And I mean, it's all laid out right there in Genesis. And I'm certainly not a Bible scholar, but I was very shocked when I learned, it says in Genesis, that we are here to glorify heaven and to work, to toil, T-O-I-L. I think there's a reason for that, because apparently humans get in too much trouble when they don't have a job. So how did the whole thing go down? Jen Smith joining me, chief investigative reporter, DailyMail.com. First of all, is the husband still alive? As far as we know, he is absolutely alive, Nancy, but he can't be found. We don't know where he is.

Wait, Jen Smith, haven't you been in my world long enough to know when somebody goes missing, there's a really good chance they're dead? This woman's already allegedly taken out a $2 million hit on the guy and now we can't find him. Why do you think he's alive, Jen Smith? And oh, I'd like to point out, Jackie is furiously waving a note at me. Put it back up, please, unless you've erased it. That he and she's angry. She's angry this morning because this guy that we can't find, Mark Remley, inherited all of his money. He didn't earn it. And I have to agree with you, Jackie. There's a big difference when you are born into money and when you have to work for it.

Well, you're right. I mean, normally when we have a attempted murder for hire plot, we have a missing intended victim. You would think that they're in real trouble. The reason I say he is missing is because before any of us learned about this plot nancy mark ramley roared up in his ferrari to his neighbor's house said i'm having a seizure i need to go to the hospital you need to help me wait he could drive his ferrari to his neighbor's house but he couldn't call 9-1-1 i'm having a seizure. Is that what he said? Many, many questions around the behavior of this couple, obviously.

He was taken to the hospital for medical care. We know that he made it there and we know that he seemingly made it out. Now, after that, it looks like he's hightailed it. And I can't say that many people would blame him, given what his wife, Tatiana, had in store for him. Okay. So we know he was at the hospital. We know he was discharged from the hospital from his seizure. I still don't understand why he drove to his neighbor's.

Let me guess. Is it a red Ferrari? I'm just wild guess. It's actually a black Ferrari. Oh, okay. That was my second choice. That was going to be my second choice. Then neon yellow. So he drives to a neighbor's house in his black Ferrari. He tells the neighbor he is fully in charge of his faculties. I'm having a seizure.

You know, I've got a friend, a very dear friend I went to high school with and she has boys and they're all brilliant Jackie like chemical and scientific issues it's not epilepsy it's something else one of her sons is not allowed to drive and as they're getting older that you know is really hard for him they can fall at work they wake up they don't know what happened. So if you're having a seizure, you do not get in your black Ferrari and drive to a neighbor's house and say, I'm having a seizure. That's not how that goes down. So I don't believe anything he's saying either.

Guys, I want to bring in the rest of the panel. But first, take a listen to our friends at kg tv in her divorce filing remley accused her husband of being physically and verbally abusive allegedly putting a gun to her head in one incident as well as chasing her with a knife in another in that same filing she claims she is under extreme financial strain adding quote she's unable to maintain her realistic monthly expenses of just $12,000, much less than what she was accustomed to at $50,000. And her estranged husband Mark Remley has denied his wife's allegations of abuse. As for Tatiana Remley, she is being held behind bars with no bail. The documents say she's accustomed to a luxurious lifestyle that includes having bodyguards, drivers, and a personal assistant.

Okay, hold on just a moment. This woman does not have a job, but she has a $50,000 a month lifestyle with, quote, luxurious lifestyle, bodyguards, drivers, and personal assistant. Why does this woman need a bodyguard? But that said, again, the husband has denied all of these claims of physical abuse and threats. I'm just trying to figure out how the whole thing went down. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jen Smith joining me, chief reporter in DailyMail.com.

So she tries to hire a hitman. How does she end up getting found out by police? Well, not very clever move by Tatiana Remley. The person that she confessed her plan to was a mutual friend of the couple, who upon hearing her intention to have her husband murdered, he called the police. Then from there, the police initiated a sting operation and the intended hitman Nancy, the person she thought she was going to pay $2 million to kill her husband, he was an undercover cop. That's how this all unraveled.

Robin Jareek, joining me, behavior expert, former FBI special agent, chief of the FBI counterintelligence behavioral analysis program and author of Sizing People Up. This is an incredible book,

by the way, Sizing People Up, a veteran FBI agent's manual for behavior prediction. Hey, all you single ladies, read this book before you go on your next date. You can find them at peopleformula.com, sizing people up, a veteran FBI agent's manual for behavior prediction. I usually put it in a nutshell, Rob and Drake. If you don't know what somebody's going to do, look at what they've already done.

That's just my general formula. Rob and Drake, what is don't know what somebody's going to do, look at what they've already done. That's just my general formula. Rob and Drake, what is wrong with these two people? Well, you hit it right there. And we'll riff on what your other guest just said. And this is she's got a life arc of shizzazzle. Mispronunciation, please. I believe she says shizzazzle. Yeah.

Okay. Shizzazzle. Dazzle. Yeah. Okay. But it's, it's these people, you know, we're genetically and biologically coded to survive and thrive in deprivation, believe it or not, as biological organisms on its planet. So when you have a, when you have abundance, like they have, you get ultimately caught up in the cult of more and you're constantly wanting and craving more. And my question throughout this entire thing, she's got a life arc of really abnormal, unhealthy behavior of all these things and violence and sex and drugs and rock and roll and all that. But I'm really curious as to what she was going to gain by killing her husband, because she's using financial gains from child support and all these other things. But always there's a motive behind killing.

A lot of times it's life insurance policies and things like that. But what I'm really curious about is every other husband has a prenup that's been really rock solid against her. And so she's really struggling there. So I really want to know why she wanted to have him killed. What was she going to get? All her behavior throughout her entire life has been self-serving for herself. And I'm not getting it yet. I think I started that by asking what is wrong with these people. And frankly, that's not my concern. I'm not a shrink. I don't I don't need to know what's wrong with them. I don't need to know why. The reality is that when you are in

court and you're trying to prove a case, why motive doesn't matter. The state never has to prove motive realistically, practically speaking. A jury would like to find out why, because you see these two come into court and you think, why would she risk it all by hiring a hit man? So you may want to know motive so you can tell that to a jury. So that final piece of the puzzle isn't missing. But I want to find out more about these people and about the alleged hit. Now, a lot started falling apart after a failed horse show. A failed horse show. Now, I grew up in farmland. My grandparents had horses and they were work horses, not show horses.

I think it started with a C. And it was amazing. I recall, I think we were living out in California during Dancing with the Stars, and we took the twins to see this horse Cirque du Soleil type show. And I've never seen anything. Yeah, Cavalia. That's it. Thank you. And guess who I've got with me? An equestrian specialist. But what does that have to do with these two

who are in a whole heap of trouble? It's like two wet cats in a barrel. Take a listen to our cut 17, ABC 10. More than a month after the Valatar show was abruptly canceled, the Big Red Tent is still here at the Del Mar Fairgrounds parking lot. And tonight, the show's producers are facing a second lawsuit. Elite Show Services, a company you might know from Chargers games where they provide security, says Valatar producer Mark Remley and his wife Tatiana owe them more than $65,000. Elite's beef with the Remleys actually goes back about four years. The company says the Remleys not only stiffed them on Valatar, Elite says the couple has done the same thing to them before.

Jan Smith, what is Valatar? So Valatar would have been and was briefly the Remleys sort of permanent version of the show that you mentioned that you had seen yourself, Nancy. Oh! They decided that they wanted to create a sort of version, similar version, but they wanted it to be raunchier. So their idea was that they would gather horses, they would gather kind of sexy acrobats, and they would put on this horse show that would rival what you saw,

which was actually created by one of the founders of Cirque du Soleil. So pretty lofty ambitions there that was Valatar it didn't last very long I think maybe four or five shows and really the problem was that while Tatiana might have been a horse enthusiast she certainly bought some or her husband bought them for her she knew nothing about what it required to run not just a show but a show involving animals there were accidents on set some of the horses ended up with broken legs getting tangled in carriages that she was trying to use in props you had experts warning her you don't know don't know anything about this and her husband was the same so the

show didn't last very long but it might not come as a surprise to you to learn she was the face of it she was the face that you saw on all the posters advertising this horror show and she was the one who came out at the end of the show to bow for the audience even though she really had no involvement in any of the stunts oh i can hear dr angela arnold chomping at the bit to scream out narcissism. But hold on. I want you all to know more facts about the I mean, what a boondoggle. Just just think about how much college tuition was.

Everything I think about, I think about, OK, would this be the twins college tuition? Would this be the health insurance? Do I really want it that much that I have to pay this amount for it? When I hear $70,000 and this amount and that amount, that's how I look at it. I want you to hear more about this so-called horse show. I think it's a lot more than that. Take a listen to our friends at ABC 10. Ballotar went dark in late November after just a few performances. They did strand the performers and they stranded the horses as well. A benefit show held in December

raised enough money to send all the performers and horses home. During the show, she showed up one day with a horse and was like, oh, look, I just got this horse. I only spent $70,000 on him. The asking price for the horse

at the time had been 30K. So she managed to spend $40,000 more. The asking price for the horse at the time had been 30k. So she managed to spend forty thousand dollars more than the asking price just because she decided she wanted that horse and someone saw sucker written on her face, I guess. Seventy thousand dollars for a thirty thousand dollar horse. You are hearing Eric Martanovich with our friends at News Nation. But now take a listen to Eric Martanovich speaking to that billboard Jen Smith was telling you about. And she wanted to, she had a billboard for Vellatar, the show, made with her standing there looking as sexy as she could, holding a pole. It kind of looked like an ad for a strip club. And she put it on i-5 where he

had to drive every day so that he would have to see it so she she definitely had a little vendetta going she obviously didn't like him and she wanted to show him how wonderful she was doing without him okay with that in mind i want to introduce to you to a very special guest bridget brandon joining us out of tex horse specialist. She is the president of the Equine Expert. You can find her at theequineexpert.com. Bridget Brandon, thank you for being with us. When I heard that some of the horses fell with tangled up in carriages and so forth, I mean, isn't a broken leg essentially the kiss of death for a horse, a show horse? Well, it can be. I'm not a vet and there's been a lot of new technology

as far as medicine goes, but certainly with the broken leg, it can end a horse's athletic performance for sure. Most of these horses were either stallions or geldings. But certainly with the broken leg, it could ruin that horse's particular career and devalue the horse as well. I was listening to what various guests and experts have said that while she knew how to ride a horse, putting on a horse show to the extent of something comparable to the water, where you're going to practice, the conditions for the horses, heat and air. There's a lot of planning circumstances. You've got to have vets available on hand in case an accident happens, like a broken leg or an injury of some sort, a horse colic, there's just numerous things that you've got to be prepared for.

And it's one of those industries you just don't, if you don't, if you're not experienced in it, you just don't know what you don't know. Many things can happen. Another thing, Bridget Brandon with us, horse specialist, the president of the Equine Expert. Bridget, I am always fascinated by one, well, many events in the Olympics. But I remember seeing, I think it was one of the Royals competing in a horse-drawn carriage race. I mean, we're used to, for instance, the Kentucky Derby or various races we see on American TV. We don't see a lot of carriage races. It's a very, very specialized sport. It is a specialized sport and it involves a lot of twists and turns and going around obstacles. And you have to have very highly trained horses to do that type of event.

And you yourself need to be trained as well. Weren't there carriage horses in this show to you, Jen Smith? There were. I mean, whether or not they actually ended up using them in the show, I'm not sure. But we know that there was some sort of accident in the rehearsal involving at least one horse, and that horse ended up breaking its leg because it got caught in the contraptment that they were trying to use. So what happened?

Did they just pull out and leave everybody high and dry without paying them? Yeah, that's exactly what's alleged. And then what happened afterwards were, you know, a mountain of losses. You have these people who give up their time to do this. They say no to other jobs. And then they end up kind of high and dry. We know that Mark and Tatiana, they had a tumultuous marriage. They ended up staying together for, you know, legally married around 10 years.

But there were on again, off again. There were separations, there were, you know, real gaps where they were not a united front. And at least during one of those, Mark said that he wanted to carry on with the show and was going to deal with the experts himself, putting Tatiana out of it. They then ended up back together and Tatiana's back in the frame. It was just a whole mess.

These were two people who did not know what they were doing and clearly weren't prepared to listen to the experts who were telling them. All that money, though, June Smith. Well, apparently it wasn't enough to put on what they wanted to do. The experts that we've all heard from have said, yeah, they had some money, but it wasn't enough to achieve or pull off the level of theatrics and performance that they were trying to achieve. He had the money, millions and millions of dollars. I don't know how much more he wanted to sink into a horse show. But guys, they had more problems than just money problems and horse problems. Take a listen to our cut 24. So in a 17, I got a phone call from

Mark. This was after our business deals had failed miserably and I didn't want anything to do with him. And he was trying to get me to come down to San Diego and hang out. And I couldn't figure out what he wanted. A friend of ours was at my place and we were talking about it. And I just brought it up as a weird thing that why was Mark bothering me and he immediately knew the answer and he said oh Tatiana wants to sleep with you while he watches so apparently they were trying to get me to come down there and have sex with Tatiana while Mark watched. Friends told the New York Post that Mark and Tatiana Remley were featured in the 2017 Showtime docuseries Naked Sanctum where the pair was seen hanging out with fellow swingers. When appearing on the Showtime series Naked Sanctum, where the pair was seen hanging out with fellow swingers. When appearing on the Showtime series Naked Sanctum, where members of an elite sex club

share partners, Mark Remley went under the pseudonym Vladimir and identified himself as an entrepreneur. Remley, using the name Vladimir, shocked many people close to the couple. Tatiana has a brother named Vladimir, the same brother she accused of sexually assaulting her when she was a child. You know, Kathleen Murphy, trial lawyer, joining me out of North Carolina, when you start a prosecution, you have to go to some very dark places. I've been in every strip club, male and female, in town.

Drug houses, flop houses, houses where everybody is high on something and people are over in the corner chasing the dragon. I mean, you name it, been there. Some of it I wish I couldn't remember. Some of it I've tried to forget. A lot of it I've tried to forget. But I'm trying to get my head wrapped around what I just heard from NewsNation and CrimeOnline.com. Did I hear, Jen Smith, that they wanted their friend, Eric Martanovich, to come down and have

sex with the wife while the husband watched? Did I hear that? That's what you heard. You don't seem like you're worried about it at all, girl. Did hear they were on naked snctm i guess that's for sanctum on showtime naked sanctum that's right they appeared very well anyway on this pretty seedy show that followed the lives of wealthy swingers that attended these kind of what are meant to be exclusive sex parties tatianaiana, in this episode at least, sporting dark hair, she's sitting at a table, she's being caressed by women and Mark is watching with a kind of excited look in his eye. They then give this on-camera interview where he refers to himself as Vladimir. Now as you heard there in The in the Clint just played, that's a very sick

reference, given we've heard a prior allegation against a brother of Tatiana's called Vladimir, who is said to have sexually abused her when she was a child. So she claims her brother sex abused her as a child. And then when they're play acting at what was it called naked sanctum naked sanctum he takes the moniker Vladimir knowing full well that she claims her brother sex abused her you know Kathleen Murphy speaking of swingers and rich people that don't have anything to fill their time with and what is this naked sanctum? I made it very clear to my husband on day one, open marriage, open casket. Done.

That said it all. Four words. Over. I cannot get out of my head the case that I had where the dad of the child was on the opposite table from me, and I was representing the mother. And the father said to the judge, and I had no idea, he goes, well, she's my sister, and our child, blah, blah, blah. And I almost fell. Nobody asked you that, Kathleen. We've got our own problems dealing with this woman that claims she's a Russian.

I thank you for throwing that into the pot to stew. Joining me right now is Brad Watts. Guys, the reason we're kind of a little bit happy today is we don't think that the husband, Mark Remley, is dead yet. Jim Smith is holding out hope that he has just dropped off the radar, probably to hide from his wife, the Russian Tatyana Remley. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Brad Watts is with me, and this is where he fits into this puzzle. Licensed professional counselor and certified sex offender treatment provider who specializes in sibling sex abuse.

Sibling sex abuse. This is book sibling sex abuse, America's silent epidemic. Brad Watts, LPC, licensed professional counselor.com. Brad, this woman lies so much.

I don't know whether to believe her that she had a brother named Vladimir that molested her. Yeah, Nancy. Yeah. It's tough to believe anything that she had a brother named Vladimir that molested her. Yeah, Nancy. Yeah, it's tough to believe anything that she says. But my experience is that for a survivor of sibling sexual abuse, for her husband to go under the moniker Vladimir, the name of the brother who sexually abused her, that would be highly triggering. I mean, that would be like I think about the show on the set,

her finding that out, making me incredibly upset, not able to move forward with it. And so there's just a lot here. Obviously, I don't know. Perhaps she was sexually abused by Vladimir. But why would she go along with her husband using his name in some crazy sex game for a Showtime production. It makes no sense to me.

Like I said, in my experience, most survivors would be severely triggered even by hearing the name, you know, particularly with the description that the mother gave about her, the sibling sexual abuse being because Vladimir was jealous of her and keeping her isolated for 10 years and all these other things. But the brother kept her isolated? What about her parents? And we found out about this in one of their divorce dramas where it came out.

It was in her mother's testimony back in 2006. So did the parents know? Were they unaware? I find it hard to believe her brother kept her isolated for 10 years without the parents say so. I just have a lot of issues with that. And then going along with her husband using her sex abuser's name in this charade. You know, Dr. Angie Arnold, we've discussed many times when someone even says the name Keith, it's like somebody poured cold water on me out of the blue, the name of my fiance that was murdered. Or if someone just asked me about it, good, well-intentioned, it just, you know, I can be having a perfectly fine day and they bring that up and then I have to remember everything.

So I'm very surprised that she would go along with him using the name Vladimir if, in fact, she was molested by brother Vladimir for so long. I know that that seems surprising to to like what I have to say about this, but how do we know that this woman wasn't somehow being abused by this husband? I know that it all looks very flashy on the outside, but Nancy, there are not a lot of people who want to have sex with other people while their husband watches, but the husband makes them do it. They're punished if they don't do it. They're punished in all kinds of ways. And so we don't know what kind of punishment she was suffering from him. So that it looks strange to us that she didn't have a reaction that one of us would have to this. But she's got a story and a background that's very different than any of us. Yeah, you know what?

You're right about that. Take a listen to this. She had a character that she played all the time and it was this Russian Barbie doll princess equestrian. And I don't think any of it was true. It was all something she made up. I'm pretty sure her real name is Tanya. I don't think it's actually Tatiana.

It's all this persona that she's made up. And maybe it's a, you know, came from the childhood trauma. And she needed a character that she could become that wasn't tortured. I don't know, but there's none of it's real. It's all her, this character that she plays. From our friends at News Nation, now listen to CrimeOnline.com. Former friends who have known Tatiana Remley say she said she was Russian and had a background in dressage,

a highly specialized form of horse riding and equine display. However, a former business partner, Eric Martanovich, says Remley made up the backstory of her life and that her real name is Tanya. The Daily Mail reports that Remley was born in Arizona, raised in Bend, Oregon. Her last

name is Clark. She's not Russian. While working at a San Diego animal park and doing some modeling, Tatiana Remley began a relationship with Ken Wolcott. Wolcott is a former Southern California attorney and biotech tycoon who was part owner of the NBA Seattle Supersonics. Tatiana was 23 years old and six months pregnant with their son, Spencer, when she and 43-year-old Wolcott got married. The marriage only lasted 11 months, but the battle for money would rage on for years, even though a prenuptial agreement was signed by Tatiana Rimley. Okay, so everything she's told us about her background, her name, where she's from. She was raised in Bend, Oregon, not Russia.

Her name is Tanya, not Tatiana. I assume she was an expert equestrian because she was seen riding by many. To Bridget Brandon, the president of the Equine Expert, isn't it dressage? Is that the name for that very complicated type of horse competition? Yes, dressage. It basically means training on horseback Tatiana, a.k.a. Tanya from Bend, Oregon? Take a listen to our cut seven from Crime Online. While Tatiana Remley was fighting her ex-husband in court, her former friends tell the New York Post that Remley was the life of the party and was targeting rich men who could bankroll her lifestyle. Mark Remley did just that after they met at a local Starbucks and married in March of

2011. Pals of the couple told the Post the two shared a passion for money, riding horses, drugs, and participating in orgies. Okay, a passion for money, riding horses, drugs, and orgies. Is that right, Jen Smith? That's right, a pretty unique set of interests there. But, you know, it definitely seems as though this was a mutually complicit arrangement. Tatiana, we know, or Tanya, she also enjoyed having sex with other people, whether or not her husband was there. Sometimes he was, sometimes he wasn't.

We know that they both were very, they had an open and fluid marriage, to say the least. There were drugs. There were orgies. There were some occasions where he brought home apparently entire strip clubs full of people back to their house. And they did have many children between them. They might not have had any kids together, but they were responsible for at least five or six children, and they were living this really X-rated

and at times, you know, darn right seedy lifestyle. You know what? I'm not the church lady. I don't care who they sleep with or if they have orgies or don't have orgies or have an open marriage or don't have an open marriage. But what it is telling me to Robin Dreek, formerly of the FBI, is that there is a lot of motive for murder. The first husband, wasn't the first husband, Jim Smith, super rich as well, like rolling in money? Yeah, he was super rich. He had the foresight to protect himself with what

is described as an ironclad prenup. It didn't stop her from being able to squeeze him from some money. And the way that she accomplished it was by demanding very large child support payments for the son that they shared. So Robin Drake, behavior expert, all of this talk about orgies and open marriages and a Showtime special and money, just money, hemorrhaging money. For me and my world, it's all evidence. Do I have motive for murder? And there is no way, as it stands right now, that I do not believe the undercover agent with whom she, according to him, contracted to kill her husband.

Yeah, this is a great example of people living beyond their intellect, and she is definitely do it. Combine that with total addiction and dopamine hits from every single aspect of life because they aren't struggling except to get more money and learn behavior of how to acquire resources in their lives. Yeah, you're right. It's following that life arc of complete chaos. And I'd be really interested to see what her plan was that she gave the cop of the detailed plans. I have a hard time imagining she can give a detailed plan for

anything. So it's fascinating. You know, and this is not, according to reports, her first time at the rodeo. Take a listen to our cut five from Crime Online. At one court hearing concerning financials, Wolcott's attorney said he was concerned about how Remley was spending the $2,000 a month he was giving her. Wolcott found out that during the marriage, Remley would go to Costco, Nordstrom, and other stores, make purchases using credit cards,

and then would turn right around and take the items back for a cash refund. After they were separated, Wolcott discovered Remley used this method to stockpile money. Wow. And that's all the way back in the Wolcott marriage. That monthly support demand goes up to 50 grand a month. Right now, there is No sight nor sound of Mark Remley, the husband. Remember, they have multiple children between them. How is this affecting them? Dad is hiding out.

Mom is in jail. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.