Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Did 'Porny' Mormon Dentist Charged With Poisoning Wife Dead TRICK CHURCH MEMBERS?

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

As a Colorado dentist faces murder charges connected to the poisoning death of his wife, new information shows James Craig asked his church for help in cleaning his basement, while his wife lay dying ...in the hospital.  Police say James Craig bought arsenic and cyanide and secretly poisoned his wife's protein shakes. Angela Craig had made many recent hospital visits, and checked into a hospital again, complaining of a severe headache and dizziness. At around 2 p.m. she had a seizure. Craig was then moved to ICU and placed on life support. Her condition quickly declined and she died.  After Craig's death, one of James Craig's co-workers told a nurse that the dentist had ordered potassium cyanide which was delivered to the office. There was no medical reason for the order. Police seized the husband's computer and found disturbing searches. Joining Nancy Grace Today Jarrett Ferentino - Pennsylvania Prosecutor and Principal at Pugliese, Finnegan, Shaffer & Ferentino; Facebook & Instagram: Jarrett Ferentino Dr. Patricia Wallace, PsyD, LMFT - Over 20 years of clinical experience with psychotic disorders, dual diagnoses, addictions, mood disorders, marriage/relationship problems, and everyday general problems.    Christopher Byers - Former Police Chief, Johns Creek, Georgia: 25 Years as Police Officer; Now: Private Investigator and Polygraph Examiner with Lancaster Information services in Atlanta Dr. Maneesha Pandey - Chief Forensic Pathologist for Forensic Pathologists LLC in Ohio, Board-Certified Forensic Pathologist Jen Smith - Chief Reporter for DailyMail.com, Twitter: @Jen_e_smith  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. More details emerging about a seemingly mild-mannered family practice dentist. His wife turns up dead in the hospital. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Wait till you hear this. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111.
Starting point is 00:00:41 First of all, take a listen to our friends at ABC. James, a dentist at Summerbrook Dental Group in Aurora, seen here in this promotional video. My approach to dentistry begins with sincerely listening to the patient. His patients say they relied on him to ease their anxiety. He always made sure that I was okay and comfortable. And now I think my anxiety is even more heightened because I'm like, who do I trust? Okay, there's going to be a lot more problems other than his dental patients wondering,
Starting point is 00:01:13 who can I trust? Listen to this. James Craig joined Summerbrook Dental in Aurora, Colorado in 2006 after getting a degree from the University of Missouri-Kansas City. James and his wife Angela are the proud parents of six children in 2006 after getting a degree from the University of Missouri Kansas City James and his wife Angela are the proud parents of six children between the ages of 8 and 20 five girls and a boy Angela loves posting pictures on social media showing the family as they're camping or mountain biking traveling and visiting
Starting point is 00:01:38 theme parks neighbors think highly of the family and friends admire how they balance work and a very large family. While Angela posts happy family photos on Facebook, she shares a very different picture of what's going on in their family with her sister. For years, Angela has been the doting wife married to the successful dentist with six children. But the fact is her husband has been addicted to pornography since he was a teenager. He hasn't been a faithful husband. The dental clinic filed for bankruptcy. And even though their finances at the dental office and at home are in dire straits, James recently blew $2,000 on a gambling bin.
Starting point is 00:02:16 Okay, whoa, whoa, wait, wait. It's bad enough to be addicted to porn. But now this dentist is messing with the family money. Okay, bad goes to worse. Listen to our friends at GMA. Last Wednesday, police say Angela went to University Hospital in Aurora. She complained of a severe headache and dizziness. That same day, Craig's business partner at the dental practice
Starting point is 00:02:42 told a nurse he thought Angela had been poisoned. A few days earlier, an employee saw potassium cyanide in a package addressed to Craig. The box was shipped to his dentist office in Aurora. The employee searched potassium cyanide when she learned Angela was sick and realized she had symptoms similar to a poisoning. And after multiple recent hospital visits, Angela again checked into a hospital Wednesday morning complaining of a severe headache and dizziness. Around 2 p.m. she had a seizure, her condition rapidly declining. Doctors moving her to the ICU where she was put on life support before passing away Saturday. Also hearing from our friends at KUSA, before I bring in an all-star panel, just one more thing. Let me just put the cherry on top of the cake for you. In addition to his porn addiction
Starting point is 00:03:33 and blowing all the money, I mean really, the family money. You know what? If you're not going to help me, don't hurt me. Don't spend all the family money gambling for Pete's sake. Well, to top it off, he's definitely cheating. Take a listen to our friends at Crime Online. According to the affidavit, while his wife Angela is fighting for her life in the hospital, her devoted husband is emailing his mistress. Those emails suggested that James told her something had happened to Angela, and according to the affidavit, she reportedly responded with how sorry she was for him and that she wished she was helping him, not pulling him away. She stated she knew it had to be so hard what he was going through and that she wanted to be there for him, but did not want to mix with his family and friends and pretend to be only a friend when there was something more. She wants to help him, then leave him alone.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Let him work on his relationship with his wife and his family. Oh, never mind, he can't do that. His wife's dead. Joining me in All-Star Panel, I want to go first to the chief reporter at DailyMail.com. This is Jen Smith. Jen Smith, the news is coming fast and furious from, of all people, a family practice dentist. You don't really think of a dentist as being a philanderer, a cheater, porn addicted, and blowing all the money. I mean, I will never look at my
Starting point is 00:05:01 dentist the same way again. Well, that's it. I mean, look, the pieces of this very sad puzzle are really starting to come together now, Nancy. We knew that there was a mistress. We knew that there was some financial trouble, but this really just takes it into a whole different league. Wait a minute. Jen, I normally agree with everything you say, but you know, calling her a mistress is kind of putting perfume on the pig. This is a guy with six children. He is the sole financial support for this family, and she's holing up in a hotel with him? Really? Mistress seems kind of euphemistic. Do you agree or disagree with that, his mistress?
Starting point is 00:05:47 Well, perhaps. I mean, look, however way you slice it, he was cheating on his wife. He was with a woman he shouldn't have been with. That's maybe the most generous way to phrase it. Certainly the most polite way to phrase it for your listeners. Polite. That's a lot. I don't think our listeners were talking about murder or hung up on calling her worse than a mistress. Let's go to Dr. Patricia Wallace,
Starting point is 00:06:10 licensed marriage and family therapist. You can find her at drpcwallacetherapy.com. Dr. Wallace, he's bad enough. He is the worst because he's the one that had the duty to the wife and the six children. But she ain't
Starting point is 00:06:28 no saint either. She's got children and she knows what she's doing. I mean doctor, with all the men out there, all the men in the world, why pick one with a wife and six children?
Starting point is 00:06:44 I thought the same thing when I was reading it. It's something in his behavior that obviously she was attracted to. And it could have been my opinion only, but something I was able to kind of analyze and reading the story and looking at him that dark side of him and a lot of women seem to be attracted to that part of an individual for whatever reason it's unknown it gives the individual a sense of power okay you know wait wait dr wallace i'm trying to stay with you i'm just a jd sense of power he's's a dentist. I mean, no offense to dentists all around the world, but what's this a power? It's like a sense of control, almost like I have that, you know, I got it. I made it happen. I have that catch. Unfortunately, yes, I'm saying it is a sick thought.
Starting point is 00:07:54 You know, it's definitely something that the individual within themselves feel like they've accomplished something. It's very tricky. And it's. I describe it. Yeah, just bottom line. It gives each individual a sense of power, like they've accomplished something. You know, are we talking about the woman it's very unfortunate, but it happens. Yes, a woman who is a mistress, a side piece, as it's now called, you know, with a husband, a wife, six kids. Okay, something must be going on there.
Starting point is 00:08:42 This man, the image that he projected to her that he had a lot of money, had everything going on, and she eventually realized that he didn't have all of that stuff. It's just like a thrill. Okay, wait a minute. So you think she was attracted to him because he has this perfect life seemingly with all of the children and the home and the practice all of that but she's got that too jen smith joining us from dailymail.com she has a family and she has a practice what's her deal yeah she she does have her own family she had a practice with her husband but she too had some financial problems with that practice of her own much like jim quake this woman her name is karen kane she and her
Starting point is 00:09:30 husband had run their practice their orthodontist practice in texas into financial ruin and they were on the brink of divorce they had actually filed divorce papers unlike our murdering dentist in Colorado, this woman and her family were splitting up. So whether or not she was planning to be with Jim Craig full time, perhaps that was the way that she hoped it would go. Obviously, now it hasn't quite worked out that way for her. Maybe it's some sort of escapism, but whatever it is, she's not the first. And if given enough rope, I'm sure she would not have been the last.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Take a listen to Dave Mack at Crime Online. Investigators claim Jim Craig was having an affair with a Texas orthodontist. The relationship was such that Craig even brought her to town when his wife was in the hospital. The name of this mistress, Karen Kane. And it's being reported that she was scheduled to fly into Colorado to visit Craig the week in his wife died. Karen and her husband, James, have two children and have been separated since January of 2022. According to the New York Post, neighbors say they haven't seen Karen since the story broke. So she's hiding out. All right, fine.
Starting point is 00:10:40 So she's got a family and she's got to practice everything in jeopardy over what? Sex? And I wonder how she feels now to find out. She is by far not the first mistress this dentist has had. Hi guys, Nancy Grace here. Join us now on Fox Nation for our brand new special Children of Serial Killers, a Nancy Grace investigation. Parents by day, killers by night. But what about the sons and daughters of brutal murderers? Are they forever haunted by their parents' crimes?
Starting point is 00:11:19 What happens when they find out mommy or daddy's a killer? In this new special, we investigate the lives of children of serial killers, weaving the timelines of the parents' crimes into their home lives, speaking directly with sons and daughters of serial killers, including the children of the Craigslist killer, the chameleon killer, and more. We hear from experts in the field. Don't miss this. Join us now for Children of Serial Killers, a Nancy Grace investigation streaming exclusively on Fox Nation. Go to foxnation.com to watch. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
Starting point is 00:12:13 Guys, I haven't even gotten to the updates yet, but the affair is bad enough, but don't mess with the money. There's six children to feed. Listen to our friends at Fox 31. Craig filed for bankruptcy in August of 2020, labeling his debt as primarily business related. His estimated liability is sitting between one and $10 million. The former employee describing him as someone passionate about dentistry, but wanted to have it all. Okay, joining me right now, Jarrett Fiorentino, Pennsylvania prosecutor and now partner at Puglisi, Finnegan, Schaefer, and Fiorentino.
Starting point is 00:13:04 I think I've mentioned you already. I think your name should be first. You can find him on Instagram at Jarrett Farentino. Jarrett, thank you for being with us. Okay. $10 million in debt. Jen, did I just hear $10 million in debt? Jen Smith, Daily Mail. estimated scope of his debt when he filed for bankruptcy but what we found out cold hard facts nancy he was actually in two million dollars of personal debt and it was because he made some really terrible investments in some dodgy cryptocurrency turned out to be worth absolutely nothing he gambled the family pot with these really risky investment choices. And then by the time we came to find out about him, he was really up to his neck. He filed for personal bankruptcy. He filed for professional bankruptcy. Okay, Farantino.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Really? You got the mistress who is knowingly sleeping with a guy with six children they're all over facebook you can't help but know he's quote happily married all right six children he's a sole source of support now i find out not only is he out gambling but he had to file bankruptcy? Personal and professional bankruptcy, Nancy. And quite honestly, this guy's morally bankrupt, clearly. That's, you know, the millions in debt are just the beginnings of his problem. It looks like this guy was always looking for the next rush, the next high. It's high stakes gambling, high stakes crypto investments.
Starting point is 00:14:43 He paid his house off. He was living free and clear in a million dollar house in 2019. He upends that, goes back into debt for a high risk cryptocurrency investment that went belly up. So he lost that money. He's party to a lawsuit now. So it seems to me this dentist likes these flights of fancy high risk master manipulator sociopathic personality that was certainly mouthful i need to diagram all that but you know how you diagram sentences in the fourth grade because that was a lot and i think i agree with all of it but hold on let me let all the register just for a moment you know back to dr patricia wallace guysensed marriage and family
Starting point is 00:15:25 therapist at drpcwallacetherapy.com. I don't think I could enjoy gambling or cheating because I'd be too worried about A, getting caught, and B, what it would do to my family. I mean, think about it. Who wants 50% of your children? I don't want 50%. I want 100%. Even if I have to share it with my husband. But I want to take them to school. I want to pick them up. I want
Starting point is 00:15:56 to have dinner with them. I don't want them to be at some crappy fast food every Thursday night having dinner with dad and I have to sit home. Why would you risk all that? For what? A roll in the hay? No! Yeah, he's night having dinner with dad and i have to sit home why would you risk all that for what a roll in the hay no yeah he seems and he may have been i mean i agree with the you know being morally bankrupt however he it seems and i'm going deep with this analytical theory here that he obviously was in like a fight flight or freeze type of moment wait wait which moment are we talking about the first mistress the second
Starting point is 00:16:32 mistress the gambling the bankruptcy the third mistress the fourth mistress what i agree what one instant are we talking about because i mean this is a long track record i agree and again although he may have had some fear instilled in him as far as you know go with the cryptocurrency and everything going the way that it did he was in a moment where each incident every time something happened it appears based on his behavior that okay he thought about okay either i have to fight or i'm going to run away from this he chose to fight internally within himself and doing all of these other let's say abnormal things you know engaging in these behaviors to help himself feel good. Okay, now I'm finally understanding you.
Starting point is 00:17:28 Is this the same reason men get to a certain age and they get a new haircut, they start working out at the gym, and then they go blow a lot of money on a sports car? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, okay. Gotcha. I'm finally understanding what you're saying. Well, we've been talking about the women, the money, the gambling, but what about the single most important thing? Angela's dead. His wife is dead.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Take a listen to our friends at CBS. He worked so hard to cover his tracks and it was really some of the workers at his dental practice that helped tip off investigators to this. He had a home computer and a laptop that he used frequently according to those employees but then one day they saw him using a computer in an exam room after hours. Investigators went back and what they found at that computer is that he had created a new Google account. That is where he had purchased on Amazon buying some of these metals that they believed was used in the poisoning okay he's online in an examination room all alone after hours right there okay guys let's
Starting point is 00:18:40 talk about what we're learning in the last hours regarding this home, this family practice dentist, James Tolliver Craig. Joining me, Chris Byers, former police chief, Johns Creek, now private investigator and polygrapher at LancasterServices.com. Chris, can I tell you what happened the other day? I was in the kitchen and I love to cook and I was making dinner and I looked out the kitchen window and I saw, yes, my husband out in the driveway talking on his phone. Why does he have to be out in the driveway talking on the phone? What does he, so does he have to say out there? He can't say right there in the kitchen with me so of course I sneak up on him and ambush him to find out what he's doing guess what he was doing he was listening to a book on tape and trying to smoke a sneaky cigar yes that's what was happening he was trying to hide from me because
Starting point is 00:19:42 he knew I would raise he double l-double-L about him smoking. He has a cigar like once a month that I know of anyway. When I got close enough to him, I could hear him listening to some horrible, boring economic treatise on tape. My ears started bleeding and then I saw I smelled the cigar. But isn't that a tip offoff when you see somebody sneaking off to use their cell phone? Oh, absolutely. And let me just say,
Starting point is 00:20:10 you're the last person that I would try to sneak something over on like that. I wish you could have seen me sneaking out. I even took off my tennis shoes so I won't make any noise. Sneaking out there. I caught him being good again. But here you got a guy doing so much in secret
Starting point is 00:20:29 so nobody would hear about it. And I understand too, Jen Smith, joining us from DailyMail.com, what can you tell me about an alternate email address? So, yeah, I mean, he clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was. He was using a different computer in his dentist practice, the one that he owned.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And then he had this alternate email address. I think it was something along the lines of jimandwaffles at gmail.com. Wait, wait, wait, it was what? Something along the lines of jimandwaffles at gmail or at aol or at Hotmail.com.
Starting point is 00:21:08 I don't recall which exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind. Oh, okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait, wait. Jackie, Sydney, please find out. Is it Hotmail?
Starting point is 00:21:19 Is he still using Hotmail? I need to know that. Just out of my own curiosity. Okay, go ahead, Jen Smith. So he's got an alternate email. Did you say it was Jim and Waffles? Jim and Waffles. As in the waffles that we eat for breakfast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:38 I'm thinking of him being all 007 sneaking around and his alias is Jim and Waffles. Okay. Truly, it's like something a teenager might do. Chris Byers, please help me. I mean, I know I'm about to get to what this poor lady suffered, being poisoned to death, a horrible, horrible and painful death. But can I just take one moment to let it soak in that he sneaks around to use a super secret alias and he picks Jim and Waffles. Really? Do you know one of my guinea pigs is named Waffles? Rosie McWaffle specifically for her full name.
Starting point is 00:22:22 But, okay, how dumb can this guy be, Chris Byers? I mean, how many millions of times have you said that when you're going through cases? What an idiot. Oh, my gosh, I know. I thought you had to be smart to go to med school. I might have done that 30 years ago if I knew you could get through it
Starting point is 00:22:37 and have his level of intelligence. But, hey, he just matches the formula of the maggot that we see on here all the time. Addiction, affair, money issues. Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you say addiction? Did you say addiction? Yeah, porn addiction.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Oh, there's so many things. Okay, stop right there, Chris Byers. Or in this case, I'm going to use your full name, Christopher Byers. Jim Smith, have you had it up to your eyeballs with Hollywood stars every time they get caught cheating they say they have a sex addiction but of a convenient excuse isn't it is that really a thing dr. Patricia Wallace I mean every time I see a Hollywood star cheating and they get caught they suddenly go to sex rehab yeah it's actually a thing to be addicted to sex, porn.
Starting point is 00:23:30 That's usually what, you know, they work with unless they're going out and having different encounters with many different people, known or unknown. Yes, it's an actual disorder. You know, in the past they called it being a hoe. Now it's a sex addiction. Okay, you got Tiger Woods, Russell Brand, David Duchovny, Rob Lowe, Michael Douglas, Eric Benet. I mean, there's so many more. Oh, wait a minute, there's a lot more oh wait a minute there's a lot more I'm
Starting point is 00:24:06 just looking at a list you've got did I already say Russell Brand have I already named him Lamar Odom Kanye West he claims he has a sex addiction Colin Farrell did he claim he also had a sex addiction I mean there's so many I can't even name them all I don't know about the sex addiction thing chris byers what leads you to believe that he is clinically addicted oh i use that as as a cop term i'm not one of these smart psychologists like we have on here i didn't mean that as a good thing so you just like throwing it around and now you're trying to explain your back out of it. He put himself there. It was his actions that put him there.
Starting point is 00:24:51 So I did not mean that as an excuse for him. And I've got another correction for you while I'm on you, like a cheap suit, Christopher Byers. Dr. Manisha Pandey strenuously objects to you calling the dentist a doctor. Because I think you have to go for like how many years more to be a medical doctor. And for you, Jen Smith, there is no more Hotmail. I didn't know that. Sydney just told me that. So it's got it.
Starting point is 00:25:18 No, it's defunct. It's Gmail. So it's joeandwaffles at gmail.com The waffle is the most important part of that So it's joeandwaffles at gmail.com. The waffle is the most important part of that ratio right there. So guys, we've established that killers are not always smart. But when you do, not just your wife and your mistress, but your whole church. Take a listen to our friends at Crime Online. With his wife Angela sick and in the hospital and family on the way to town, Dennis Jim Craig seeks the help of the Church of Jesus
Starting point is 00:25:52 Christ of Latter-day Saints South Shore Ward. He and his family are very active members of the South Shore Ward, and he takes time to thank members for help with yard work, cleaning, and meal preparation, all normal things during a time of need but it is the oddly specific request he makes that has some members wondering if they have been used to cover up a crime members were asked to help organize craig's mudroom and basement at their home while angela was in the hospital the source went on to say quote it's quite common in the community for us to go into somebody's house and help when there's a new baby or a sickness. But the language of this request was so heightened. It said they needed the mudroom organized and their basement storage organized, unquote. The source then continued, looking back at the timing of the communication,
Starting point is 00:26:37 I can't help wondering if that was something Jim asked for, knowing that it might be a crime scene later. JimSmithDailyMail.com, what? Yeah, I mean, the thing that really is baffling about that request is by this point, Angela is in the hospital. She is dying slowly. She has been poisoned. So we don't have where you might in other cases have a violent crime scene. This crime scene pertains to the potassium he was using,
Starting point is 00:27:02 potassium cyanide, to poison her. So is that what he was trying to have members of his church move around, reorganize people who have gone to his home in good faith to help them in what they perceive to be a tragedy? Was he trying to manipulate them into possibly getting rid of some of the evidence that could be used against him? We're definitely going to find out at the trial, I think. Jared Farentino joining me, a Pennsylvania prosecutor and named partner at Buglisi, Finnegan, Schaefer, and Farentino. Is this guy leaving a track a mile wide?
Starting point is 00:27:37 He's actually asking church members to come over, reorganize and clean up portions of his home. Now they're wondering, did I just clean up a crime scene? Nancy, when you look at his behavior after the fact, after the poisoning, that is such powerful evidence against him. Whether or not he believed they were covering up something, perhaps there was a bottle there, perhaps there was some packaging there. You know, he'd ordered poison over a period of days, different types as we discussed.
Starting point is 00:28:08 So who knows what he was looking for them to do. But the fact that he made that request will be powerful evidence in the presentation. These bizarre behaviors in his office and at his home afterwards, just go to show you his mindset his actions during that time and just point to his guilt it's very powerful evidence and there's another aspect to it whether they clean the crime scene or not jen smith joining me dailymail.com how dare he uh well he might as well have written on the email hey i'm busy shacked up in a hotel in Denver with my mistress. Can you go clean my basement? Well, that's it.
Starting point is 00:28:48 I mean, completely and utterly morally bankrupt, like we've already discussed. It really seems like this guy has no limit to how far he'll go to suit his own needs. And my other question that I think we are going to find out is where were the children at this point? Who's looking after them? There are six of them. Six of them. I mean, were they members of the church who were going to find out is where were the children at this point who's looking after them there are six of them six of them members of the church who were who were going to help them we know that they were the family is mormon and people in their community really went to help them i mean did he pawn all the children off onto them too guys remember we were talking about
Starting point is 00:29:21 jim and waffles we thought at hotmail but actually at gmail.com, his super secret 007 Gmail handle? Well, he wasn't just using it to contact his mistress. Take a listen to Hourcut 27, our friends at CBS. that new Google account, they then found some of the communication between Jim and this orthodontist in Texas that he had been talking to over the past month and visiting with. They believe that's the woman who was in the most recent affair. So he had really started to use this other computer that he didn't use before and trying to cover his tracks so that if they had searched his laptop or searched his phone, they wouldn't have had that evidence.
Starting point is 00:30:03 But it was those employees that noticed something weird, and when one of those medals was actually shipped to the dental office, he had told one employee, that's a personal package, please don't open that up, and it was another employee that opened it up. And so it's kind of a several other places in this investigation that all had to come together to really help investigators try and tie this case together.
Starting point is 00:30:24 So when you say, hey, don't open that that of course the person is going to open it and before i go to our expert dr manisha panday joining us jen smith exactly what poisons was he having sent to his office well we know of two so far he had some arsenic scents to his office? Well, we know of two so far. He had some arsenic sent to his office and he also had this potassium cyanide and that is what we think he was using to poison Angela over the course of several weeks, actually, putting it in her protein shake,
Starting point is 00:30:59 even helping her along or trying to reassure her when she was complaining of sickness, dizziness, nausea, he was sort of still encouraging her to drink lots of fluids. And we know where those fluids were coming from. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, the defense team for the Dennis has demanded a gag order.
Starting point is 00:31:44 In other words, don't let anybody talk about the case and let it leak out to the public. Well, it's a day late and a dollar short for that. Take a listen to Hour Cut 22, KCNC. In court, Craig's attorneys requested a gag order. They complained publicity is endangering the dentist's rights. Court documents show a search on Craig's computer asking how many grains of arsenic will kill a human. There is also an invoice for the purchase of the poison potassium cyanide. Earlier this week we spoke with friends of the Craigs. I definitely felt bad for the family and when I heard what really happened just like Karen described it was a punch in the gut. You know if you look at the trail he's left behind,
Starting point is 00:32:27 you may, like we've been talking, think he's a big idiot. But what could be more, let me just say, innocent than church friends cleaning your place to help you out with your children, unwittingly getting rid of crime evidence if that in fact happened. Is he crazy or crazy like a fox? Joining me right now, Dr. Manisha Pandey, Dr. Pandey, Chief Forensic Pathologist for Forensic Pathologist LLC in Ohio, a forensic pathologist.
Starting point is 00:33:09 And you can find Dr. Pandey at theforensicpathologist.com. Dr. Panday, we've been working up to this moment. How many grains of arsenic would it take to kill a human? And what is your reaction to the poisons that were put into a protein shake to kill the mother of six? So arsenic can be, you know, you have to put quite a bit of it in your food or any kind of shake. However, like for cyanide, you don't need that much. Now, what would cyanide do to a person? Cyanide would immediately cause dizziness, they will cause headaches, they will cause immediate drop in blood pressure and you will
Starting point is 00:33:53 just fall down and what happens is they interfere with your ability to use oxygen. So after the days preceding her death of her complaining, I feel dizzy. I feel like I'm going to pass out. I feel sick to my stomach. Are those symptoms consistent with potassium cyanide? I would think that potassium cyanide has a more acute symptomology in terms of like once you're exposed to it, you're likely to die very quickly. Those are probably symptoms of arsenic. Oh, I see. I see.
Starting point is 00:34:30 I found it interesting that Angela, Angela Craig, the deceased mom of six, had been to the hospital multiple times before, but the doctors could not diagnose her. They couldn't figure out what was wrong I think of course I'm just a JD you're the MD that in the blood panels or the urine analysis that they didn't search for poisons that's not a typical thing for which they would search that's correct that if you don't have a high index of suspicion in terms of this person could potentially be poisoned, normally in the hospitals, they won't check for those. What type of suffering did she endure before her death?
Starting point is 00:35:12 She must have suffered quite a bit in terms of having severe headache. Her heart would stop or she's having dizziness and she's like breathing. She's not able to breathe. I'm very curious about the way that she passed away. Was she in pain? Was she on meds? We don't know and we won't know until those medical records are revealed. But I do know this, Jarrett Farentino.
Starting point is 00:35:39 He, the husband, was not there at her side. He was texting her, oh, how i wish i could be with you as she was dying he was with his mistress holed up in a hotel room nancy one text he sent her said i have empathy for you which as shocking as all those texts were that one is the most telling because clearly he lacks empathy for his wife. He's not by her side, not holding her hand as she's suffering from some quote unquote suspicious illness that they haven't even identified. He's holed up with another woman while his wife, mother of six, of his six children is on her deathbed. That is the shocking part of this case. He put her there. He poisoned her over
Starting point is 00:36:26 a period of time and essentially makes those texts from that place away from her side. It's just, it's so shocking. This is not the first time that a mistress has been tangled up with a guy who murders his wife. The name Kelsey Barrett. I'll never forget it. Kelsey Barrett is a beautiful, young, single mom of a little girl, now dead. The so-called other woman, a rodeo queen. Take a listen to our cut 13M, our friends at Inside Edition. Her name is Crystal Lee and she is a registered nurse in Twin Falls, Idaho. Published reports
Starting point is 00:37:12 say the FBI is investigating her in connection with Kelsey Barrett's disappearance. Lee lives about 35 miles from where the missing mom's cell phone last pinged, three days after she was seen at a supermarket on Thanksgiving Day. Here's what we know about Lee. She is 32 years old and a divorced mother of two. She is active in rodeo and was once crowned Miss Magic Valley Stampede Queen. She and Frazee reportedly met at a rodeo. He's a blacksmith. Just before his alleged wedding to Kelsey Barrett, she suddenly
Starting point is 00:37:47 goes missing. Let me point out her body was never found. Now listen to 11M ABC. A 32-year-old nurse from Twin Falls, Idaho is set to make a deal with prosecutors in the case of missing mom Kelsey Barrett. Family members of Crystal Lee tell ABC News she will plead guilty this week to at least one charge. Lee, her family says, has known Barrett's fiance, Patrick Frazee, for decades. He's already been charged with Barrett's murder. Her body has not been found. Hey, Patrick, tell me about Crystal. Lee's exact relationship to Frazee and her alleged role in the case remain a mystery. Barrett was last seen Thanksgiving Day in this surveillance video, shopping with the one-year-old daughter she had with Frazee and her alleged role in the case remain a mystery. Barrett was last seen Thanksgiving Day in this surveillance video,
Starting point is 00:38:26 shopping with the one-year-old daughter she had with Frazee. Three days after she vanished, investigators say her cell phone was detected hundreds of miles away. Her phone did end up in Idaho. Multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News Lee is suspected of driving Barrett's cell phone to Idaho, attempting to get rid of it. I wonder if she thought, wow, why am I getting rid of a cell phone out in the middle of nowhere? The rodeo queen dragged into Patrick Frazee's murderous plot. And then, of course, who could forget killer dad Chris Watts.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Take a listen to clip 2M. It was always hit or miss. Like, it wasn't an everyday thing. It was just when I saw him, we just started talking. And we just kind of had a lot in common and just hit it off. So we'd always have, you know, pretty good conversations. And then, I don't know, one day he just, he told me that he had kids and started talking about his kids. And then mentioned, yes, that I have a wife.
Starting point is 00:39:22 But we're getting separated. I said, okay. When do you think that was separated. I said, okay. When do you think that was? When he said all that. So specifically when he told you he was getting separated from his wife. Was that within the first couple weeks that you knew him, or was that later on?
Starting point is 00:39:38 You said you met him around May or June. Yeah, it was still in. Well, she, Shanann Watts, ends up dead along with both of their little girls. Now, the girlfriend you are hearing right there, Nicole Kessinger, had nothing to do with the murder plot or anything connected to it. We can never forget the seminal case of Scott Peterson and his girlfriend, Amber Fry. Remember, Minnie thought he was clairvoyant because he said, wow, Amber, this will be my first Christmas without my wife. And guess what? It was after he killed her. Take a listen to our friends at NBC. I met Scott Peterson November 20th, 2002.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Scott told me he was not married. We did have a romantic relationship. She was Amber Fry. Amber secretly helped the police by recording her calls with Scott. As soon as I plug in her little recorder, the phone rings. He called. Oh boy. Amber!
Starting point is 00:40:38 Hey! Hey there! Amber Fry had nothing to do with the death or cover-up of Lacey and Connor's death. But once again, she's led down the garden path like many other mistresses. So, question to you, Christopher Byers, in the current case, the, quote, other woman, is not accused of taking part in any way in the death of the dentist's wife Angela Craig but I guarantee you she will be a fountain of information when they start aligning and comparing times he's missing to times his wife got ill to times he was with his mistress
Starting point is 00:41:22 oh absolutely she's going to be able to put so many of the puzzle pieces in the order of the timeline of all of this. So she is going to be, just like you said, she is going to be a wealth of information for the prosecution in this case. Much less, Sheriff Farentino, if you blurted out something like, my wife is dying, or my wife is dead, or I'm going going to be a widow or my wife has this illness or that ailment. If he made statements to her like Scott Peterson made to Amber Fry, a jury is going to be standing on their ears. Those admissions, as you know, Nancy, are exceptions to hearsay. It's a
Starting point is 00:42:01 defendant's own statements and they are powerful. They echo in that courtroom. Statements to the mistress while he's lying next to her about his dying wife are very telling and every prosecutor would love to have a statement like that and pursuing a conviction of Dr. Craig in this case. Despite the defense's new request for a gag order filed in the last days, evidence is pouring out from the investigation and every bit of it compounds what we know. Angela Craig died a painful and horrible death and her children are now going to be left without parents. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.

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