Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DIDDY CAR BOMB HORROR: DESIGNER SCARF WICK, FINGERPRINTS "DESTROYED"

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

Day 11 of Sean “Diddy” Combs’s sex trafficking and racketeering trial brings more testimony about the Molotov cocktail that burned rapper Kid Cudi's car back in January 2012, with a Los Angeles police officer and an arson investigator on the stand. Judge Subramanian denies Combs' bid for a mistrial. Combs' defense argues prosecutors improperly implied the hip-hop mogul destroyed evidence tied to an alleged arson. Defense lawyer Alexandra Shapiro contends the line of questioning by prosecutors is designed to suggest "Mr. Combs could buy his way out of this."  Joining Nancy Grace today: Philip Dubé  - Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law; Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy Dr. Bethany Marshall -  Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective [worked over 300 homicides in 25 year career], Trained the first Native American Homicide Task Force, & Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room."  Rachel Fischer - Anti-Trafficking Expert featured in the 2022 documentary "Surviving Sex Trafficking;" Forensic Nurse, Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner, Expert Witness, and Private Investigator; Instagram: @F4isCher Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former Publicist of Sean Combs, and Author: "The 4 Word Answer;" IG: @naughtygossip Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube;  X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram: @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV Sydney Sumner - "CRIME STORIES" Investigative Reporter  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Diddy car bomb horror revealed. This is, we learned, a designer scarf, think Hermes, was used as a wick for a Molotov cocktail. Gee, I wonder who would do that? And we learned tonight crucial evidence. Fingerprints on the Molotov were destroyed. Once that came out in court, Diddy's entire team goes crazy demanding a mistrial. Good evening.

I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. I think the judge was completely wrong disallowing testimony that the fingerprint cards of a female perp on the Molotov. That's not going to be able to come into evidence. Why? That's critical evidence. Who destroyed those fingerprint cards? What if those fingerprints revealed a Diddy associate? And how out of all the evidence did fingerprints and a Diddy related bombing go missing? Wow. Okay. Joining me, an all-star panel, straight out to Rob Schuter, a joining me host of Naughty But Nice podcast, can be found at

robschuter.substack.com, former longtime publicist for Sean Combs, aka Diddy, author of The Forward Answer. Rob Schuter, did you hear what I just said? The wick to a Molotov, in every Molotov case I've ever investigated or prosecuted, the wick was string, a piece of rope, sometimes a very rustic wick would be made out of paper, twisted to be a wick, but a designer scarf thing. Amazed if I'm even saying that correctly.

Wow, I wonder who did that. Didn't you say he always wore scarves? He did wear a lot of scarves and he loved a lot of luxury goods. This is a guy that grew up pretty poor and so when he could afford luxury goods, he absolutely bought them. I was at his home once, Nancy,

and there were bags and bags and bags of designer clothing that he'd never worn that was just sitting there in his living room, in his kitchen, and he had never even bothered to take them out of the bag. It's a life of excess, and ultimately now it looks like it's a life of crime too. I'm getting at something psychological, and I need to shrink. I'm

just a trial lawyer. Dr. Bethany Marshall joining me. We're now in psychoanalyst out of LA. Author of Dealbreaker. You can see her now on Peacock and she's at drbethanymarshall.com. Dr. Bethany, help me find the right psychoanalytic words. Okay, a molotov cocktail, right, that is typically a glass container, can be something else, but glass is the best conduit, filled with accelerant, accelerant, what is that, gasoline, toluene, it can be anything that will blow up. A wick is inserted into the top of the glass receptacle. Think of a Coke bottle.

That's an easy one, or a mason jar. Okay. Typically, it is string, it is rope, it is twisted newspaper, twisted paper, with a nice long wick so the thing won't catch on fire as you're holding it right before you throw it. You light it at the very last moment and then throw it. We know fingerprints have been obtained

off of that molotov, what was remaining of it. It was found in the car for Pete's sake. He cut his car. This is what I need from you, Bethany. Think about it. Who would use an Hermes scarf? Who? Who would use that?

Who would destroy that? Use it as a wick. Now think, when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. Think about how Sean Combs destroyed all those tens of thousands of dollar hotel suites for a freak-off. The incredible, vast waste of luxury goods, money, just throwing it. What does that tell you about the identity connected to this molotov? Well, furthermore, Nancy, somebody who is very impulsive, full of rage, not in good control of himself, perhaps on steroids, other drugs, somebody who just grabs a gun, grabs a scarf, goes to somebody's house, kidnaps them.

I see here impulsivity and agitation. So of course you're providing a link between the Hermes scarf and P. Diddy, right? The excess and the waste. But I see a more profound psychological link, which is that P. Diddy is not in control of himself in any real way. And so, like even the kidnap. You know, it's interesting the way that the money is thrown around.

And I mean, I don't know, I've never had one, but what does a scarf like that go for? Like a couple of thousand dollars? Could you find that out for me Jack? How much does a scarf like that cost and why would somebody soak it in a Coke bottle full of gasoline? Gosh I wonder if they looked around for who went to buy gas at nearby gas stations at that time of the night. I bet that would be revealing. You know, hold on, hold on, Dr. Bethany.

I wanna circle back to you about the psychological profile on that. Joining me, crime stories, investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, combing over every word coming from the witness stand. Tell me about the fingerprint and the destruction of those fingerprint cards. Well, Nancy, prosecutors asked the fire investigator

in charge of the case about fingerprint cards that were taken from the home when they were investigating the burglary about a month earlier. The fire investigator said he took those slides as a part of his investigation to see if he could match anything that was found on the bottle inside the car. And he said, if that evidence had been destroyed, he wouldn't

have had to sign off on it. But an LAPD officer who was not involved in the investigation at all signed off on the destruction of that evidence. And that's when the defense freaked out, stopped everything and called for a mistrial. Okay, slow that down one more time. You said the destruction of the evidence, that is, the fingerprint card, was ordered by someone not connected to the Arson investigation? Correct. That's what that fire investigator testified to.

And he said he found that very, very odd. That was not typical procedure. Okay, what was the ground for the mistrial? Diddy's defense team goes crazy when that comes into evidence that someone ordered the destruction of that fingerprint card with a female fingerprint on it. Was that female someone that worked for

Sean Combs? That's the big question. Do we know who ordered the destruction of the fingerprint evidence, Sydney? Can't be that hard to find out. And what was the grounds for the mistrial? So that's exactly what the defense team is getting at. They called that prosecutorial misconduct because the prosecutors were suggesting that Combs ordered that evidence be destroyed and somehow paid off investigators to make that happen. And we already heard from jurors during jury selection

that they believed Combs could buy his way out of anything. So on that line, the questioning is what the defense had a problem with and what they said was grounds for a mistrial. Shapiro said that you can't unring that bell, but the judge obviously disagreed. Straight out to veteran trial lawyer, Philip Dubay, joining us. LA County Public Defender's Office, that means he's tried a lot of cases,

focuses on criminal and constitutional law. Dubay, thank you for being with us. I can only imagine the grounds for the mistrial. They're worried it's gonna look like Sean Combs ordered that fingerprint evidence destroyed. That's what they're worried about Combs ordered that fingerprint evidence destroyed. That's what they're worried about. Well, that's one angle. The other aspect is, to be fair to Mr. Diddy Combs, is it could be exculpatory. And the fact that Brady material was destroyed, pointing the finger directly

at the third-party culprit, is evidence that he had no involvement in that arson. So I think the defense is entitled to raise it. And if you can show animus toward him on the part of- Put it in my place. That's grounds to kick it. I got to tell you. If that was the objection, Brady v. Maryland, which is a US Supreme Court case, the state of Maryland prosecuted Brady for a crime,

and in that case decades ago it was learned the state withheld exculpatory or evidence that proves you may not be guilty withheld exculpatory evidence from Brady. Brady appealed all the way up to the US Supreme Court and won. The state must always hand over Brady or its sculptor material. Here's the reality. Don't you know. Please, you know what, Dubay? Get real. If the objection, the grounds for the mistrial were,

the state didn't give me Brady material. They're not playing fair. He would have blurted that out in open court if the objection was, this makes it look like Sean Combs ordered the fingerprint material, the evidence to be destroyed. They wouldn't yell that out in court because they don't want the jury to hear it. They ran up to the judge's bench to make their objection. So it was clearly something they did not want the jury to hear. When I have done an objection, I have to state at that moment, objection hearsay, objection leading. You know, you've got to give your objection immediately. It's

like a tennis match or a sniper. You've got to hit right then. You've got to strike. But they ran up to the judges' bench and didn't give their grounds for his trial in open court. Well, the prosecutor has a self-executing duty to preserve the exculpatory evidence, irrespective of an objection. And the court should have stepped in Sue Esponti to say that I find that Mr. Combs' rights under due process were violated

by the destruction of these prints. And now to try to introduce evidence that it was at his hand that perhaps somebody was bought off to of these prints. And now to try to introduce evidence that it was at his hand that perhaps somebody was bought off to destroy these prints, that is outrageous government conduct. Therefore, I dismiss this prosecution. You know what?

The truth is the truth. You know, you can spin it any way you want to. Hold on, let's go back to the courthouse again, joining us, Lauren Conlon, investigative reporter, host of Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. What do you believe was the grounds for the mistrial about the fingerprint evidence destruction?

Lauren? Yes, Nancy. There you go. There you go. Sorry, sorry. A little flustered. No, Nancy, it was about the line of questioning from the government.

I think that was the issue there. It was brought up that basically during jury selection, there was a concern from the jurors that Mr. Poems did he could buy his way out of things celebrity can buy their way out of things. And the way that this questioning was phrased by the government, they inferred that the the print card that was discussed was destroyed by someone in the LAPD who was possibly paid off by Diddy. Now, during this line of questioning,

the defense did not object until I wrote down the question. They didn't object until maybe the second to last question saying, is this unusual that something like this would be destroyed? And there was an objection. It was sustained. And this was brought up when Alexandra Shapiro moved for a mistrial. The judge said, well, look, you didn't object, you know, during the questioning. So we'll go to the jury and we'll say that, you know, you should disregard the question and you should disregard the answer. And it got a little heated for a minute when Alexander Shapiro recommended that the judge tell the jury

that the government made some improper questions or had some improper questions. The government did not like that and essentially the judge just told... Question, I want to ask you about something you said before I lose the thought. Okay, you stated, I think you stated, that was a lot of information. I want to thank you for that, Lauren Conlon. Lauren Conlon joining us at the courthouse again. Lauren, are you telling me the defense sat there and didn't object when the line of questioning started about the destruction of the evidence?

They just sat there? There was about two questions before they objected. And again, I wrote it down in my notes, but I believe they objected finally when when it was asked, is it unusual for something like this to be destroyed? Not the investigator. Directive. You know what that means. When you ask a series of questions at your culmination to a series of questions is, culmination to a series of questions is,

well, isn't all of that we just discussed in those five or six questions, isn't that unusual? That is the cherry on top of the ice cream sundae. That's where you tie together all the questions you've asked. Oh, my stars, are you telling me Sean Combs is paying millions of dollars a day and that whole defense team just sat there sat on their thumbs and did nothing until the whole line of questioning had almost ceased? No! There is no ground for a mistrial. There is no ground on appeal because the lawyers sat there deep in their own thoughts while that line of questioning was happening. What their problem? Wake up! Wake up Brian Steele! Well, well I did I found my notes. It sounds like yeah they they were they asked the government asked did he

authorize the Prince being destroyed, meaning did the investigator, the arson investigator, and he said no, and I mean, I'm not a lawyer, should there have been an objection there? That he, you know, they went on. Well, is it unusual? No. Someone else would ask, right? That's not you, that didn't work on the case

or directly on the case. And then there was an objection. Well, frankly, I think that that should have been allowed because now Lauren Collin, the defense is going to be able to argue the state can't prove these were Sean Combs's fingerprints and the state can't prove that they were the female fingerprints of an associate or an assistant of his without being able to explain the state that it was destroyed by who? So now you've got this big wet blanket hanging over the defense.

Don't move Lauren Conlon, straight out to Rob Shooter. See, Rob Shooter, I believe you have a very good example of Sean Combs buying off information? Yeah, I do. And I was working with Puffy. I remember getting a phone call from a photo agency who had photographs of Puffy on the street. He was here in New York with a young lady that clearly wasn't Kim Porter, his then-girlfriend.

This was before Cassie and him started to date. And I remember calling Puff and making him aware of these photographs. He asked for the contact and these pictures disappeared. He purchased these pictures to make sure that they never ever saw the light of day. So this is a man who knows how to get rid of stuff that he doesn't want at him.

To Rachel Fisher joining me, So this is a man who knows how to get rid of stuff that he doesn't want at. To Rachel Fisher joining me, Rachel Fisher is an anti-trafficking expert. She was featured in a 2022 sex trafficking documentary, Surviving Sex Trafficking. She's a forensic nurse. She's been on so many sex trafficking and rape cases. Rachel, sadly, you've had experience where pimps have connections within the PD. Very often we see that there's a lot of bribery and corruption that happens.

And I've seen dozens of cases across the United States, across international borders of these pimps with their power, their money. There's a lot of money in sex trafficking. And even just the videos produced across international borders of these pimps with their power, their money. There's a lot of money in sex trafficking. And even just the videos produced during these activities, people purchase that. People are involved. And I've seen so many officers and I love Leos. I love law enforcement and what they do.

But they actually purchase. They're the Johns or the buyers many times in these stings. And they're the ones that are knowingly facilitating this to happen. And so many times I see them paid off. Lauren Conlon joining us, investigative reporter, star of Pop Crime TV at the courthouse. Lauren, tell me about the dynamic in the courtroom today. You've been there all day long. How is the state holding up? How is Sean Combs holding up? I'm sure the defense is ruffled because they had that mistrial denied. What else? And that's their fault because they sat there and didn't object in a timely manner. That's very unlike Brian Steele. I've got to tell

you, I think Steele's a really good lawyer. And I have heard that Tinney Girgis is a really good lawyer as well. Now, Agnifello, jury's out on that after his debacle with Harvey Levin and the baby oil. Q&A. I don't know what to think about that. But I know Steele's a great lawyer. I hear Gyragos is a great lawyer. So tell me the dynamic. What's happening? Yes, I mean, it got really spicy for for a minute when they were discussing the mistrial and about how the Alexandra Shapiro wanted the language used from the judge, you know, referencing the government. But before that happened, I would say that Sean Colmes was

pretty happy because his mother is back in the courtroom. His three sons are here today, Justin, Quincy, and Christian. Oh, please. Stop. Yeah. They're making a documentary. They're there because they're making money. They're going to sell a documentary. Is it just me, or has anybody else

seen that camera crew that follows them in and out of the courthouse every day? So since I'm in early, I don't really get to see that, but you're right. They do come in late every day, as does Diddy's mother. And she actually yesterday, I didn't see it today, but she comes in with a, uh, a little cushion for her, her bum because the seats are very hard. Um, I wish I had one of those, but no overall, I think, I think today with the testimony of the investigators

We saw someone from the LAPD who responded to the trespassing or burglary incident at Kid Cudi's house And then we saw the arson investigator. It was a little bit slower We recently started testimony from Deontay Nash. That's Cassie's stylist and friend So things started to pick up because we started to hear some really not nice things that Diddy called Cassie during their relationship. We heard some explicit language, ho, slut, bee. We heard that Cassie would cry. We've already heard every filthy word

and every fetishy act that I can think of. I mean, maybe there's more that haven't dawned on me. So, not surprised about any of that. The jury's probably numb about hearing the word slut. Are you kidding? After the male sex workers came on and testified and they've seen those pictures and they all look nauseous. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Can I talk to you about the arson investigator?

This is really important Lauren Common because in the indictment the feds lay out a series of crimes that were affected by Sean Combs' minions, okay? We know that Sean Combs was not down at the Valero filling gas in a Coke bottle. He may have supplied that $2,000 Hermes scarf, don't know about that, but the minions prove Rico using his business for criminal acts. So tell me about that arson investigator

because one of those acts is arson in the indictment. Yes, so the fingerprints or the DNA, I should say that was lifted off of this bottle, which we found out was an old English malt liquor bottle. There was partial female DNA and the arson investigator testified that he did not know who that belonged to. However, he did reach out to Capricorn Clark and Cassie

Ventura multiple times after speaking to Scott Meskety, Kid Cuddy, during the investigation. He said that both Cassie and Capricorn Clark did not answer. Again, he tried multiple times. And he actually even contacted Cassie and Capricorn Clark did not answer. Again, he tried multiple times and he actually even contacted Cassie's father, who was a firefighter and said, please have your daughter reach out. She never did.

He also stated that this investigation is inactive, but it's also technically pending. They never actually closed it. And oh, you're gonna love this actually. So in one of the photos we saw, there was a black glove in the backseat of the car. And that was a really big point of contention for the defense for Agnifilo. He kept saying, well, did you test this black glove for DNA? And the investigator said, no, the owner of the car, Scott Meskody said that was his driving glove.

And Agnifilo said, well, where's the other one? Why would a driving glove be in the back seat? So they were really focusing on this. And I couldn't help think of you because I thought of OJ and then, you know, but. Oh no. Not another glove defense. Yes. Yes. Yes. It was along the line. I can see where that's going, how the defense is gonna latch onto something that means nothing and then use it in the closing statement. You know, I'm very, very curious

how the jury was responding to that arson investigator. And another thing, Lauren Collin, isn't it true that when Capricorn Clark was on cross-examination, she was questioned about whether there was a third party on the phone when they were calling Kid Cudi. Could there possibly be a witness that knows Shawn Combs went to the car bombing or ordered the car bombing? Well, this third party was a woman named Lauren London.

She's an actress, a model, really well known. And they pointed out, or the defense pointed out, that yes, okay, sure, maybe she was on the phone. They elicited that from Capricorn Clark, but they then said, you know, she remained friends with Sean Combs well after that. So sure, I mean, there could be, but we also heard from going back to the LAPD officer,

he actually kind of countered some of Capricorn's testimony and the fact that when he pulled up to Kid Cudi's house after getting this call about a possible burglary or trespassing incident, he said that Kid Cudi pulled up after in his Porsche and he saw a black Escalade parked in front and then leave and then come back down a hill about 20 minutes later. He saw nothing, no nothing about a chase, no car chase. He didn't see anything of the sort. So that

was also kind of a moment that a lot of us were like, oh, OK, so there wasn't a car chase. But there was an SUV on the scene of the car bomb that was connected to bad boy records run by Sean Combs. That was that was the trespassing incident, not not the Molotov cocktail. But yes, this this police officer made sure to memorize that license plate, go back, look it up. And then yes, he saw that it was registered to bad boy. I'm curious, Lauren Collin. We know that Sean Combs had gone over to Kid Cuddy's apartment and gone in without permission and opened up a bunch of presents. We thank Christmas presents from Cuddy to Cassie Ventura to see what he was giving Cassie for Christmas. Question, when Cuddy's car, his Porsche was bombed, where was it parked? So it was parked right in front of the

garage or outside of the garage and the driveway was pretty long. We saw a picture and there was also two cars, other cars parked behind it. And you know, we learned during cross-examination that he also had another Porsche inside of the garage. And for whatever reason, investigators took a picture of that. Although I'm not sure what, what the connection is there, but it was just kind of interesting. So Sean Combs, clairvoyant that he is, predicts that Kid Cudi's car, his Porsche, is gonna be bombed. He says, I'm gonna bomb his car, you know?

A month later, the car is bombed, and we have him at Kid Cudi's apartment prior to the car bomb, so he knows where Kid Cudi lives he's been there before and he has gained illegal entrance into the apartment before and now a few weeks later the car is bombed in a very very dangerous way and the jury can't connect the dots. Really? No wonder they objected and wanted to mistrial.

They want this evidence out. Yeah. I mean, I think, like I said yesterday, I think yesterday and today have been just really important testimony. I mean, some of the most important testimony that we've seen so far, because it is referencing Rico, in my opinion. And, you know, I forget, I think it was

U.S. Attorney Slavik who kind of said, you know, look, if this Molotov cocktail had gotten any closer to the house, it could have done some real damage. Did you ever see one of these? Let me unwrap it. Anything, anything like that. Sean Combs' Tootsie Roll.

Tootsie Roll. What about that, bitch? Even just a, just a niche? Yeah, that's all well and good, but we're talking about a car bomb. Joining me, Chris McDonough, Director of Colquay's Foundation for my purposes, former homicide detective,

literally hundreds of homicide investigations. I found him in the interview room where he is a star on YouTube. Chris McDonough, I prosecuted a lot of murder cases and investigated even more. But I've determined after all of that, the single worst way to die is by fire, not smoke inhalation, by actually burning to death,

which is what happens with a Molotov, and I prosecuted and prepared a DP Molotov case. What do you think about what you're hearing, and I'd like you to weigh in on the missing fingerprint card. How devastating is that to this case? And by the way, the DP went forward after I already went to Court TV. Okay. Sadly, I didn't get in on that. But go ahead. You know, Nancy, you're 100% right about the fact that if somebody dies by fire, that is a horrendous way to die. And in this situation,

fortunately, it was only a car and there was nobody around. However, that said, that fire could have spread from that car to the property, et cetera, and then other people could have been put into danger. About the fingerprint, this could be a simple situation that it was an evidence chain of custody that the statute of limitations had expired and the evidence custodian said, you know what? This case is never gonna go to trial. Let's destroy this fingerprint card. That's one possible theory in this particular problem.

Chris McDonough. Chris, Chris, Chris. Yeah. You've been a witness in so many murder cases. If that were the case, the defense wouldn't have nutted up, technical legal term. They would have sat there and gone, and then go, let's clarify on cross. The reason it was destroyed was simply, was simply statute of limitations. There would not have been chairs turning over and a whirlwind and papers flying up in the air,

motion from his trial, that's not fair, blah, blah, blah. There's something about this that they don't like. It's like flicking holy water on the devil, right? When they start screaming in objection, there's a reason. It's not statute of limitations, my poor, sweet, naive boy. Yeah, no, and I agree with you. That is just one possibility. And then, of course, the other, you know, the more problematic for them is he did pay

somebody off. Maybe it was the evidence tech. Maybe it was, you know, somebody else in the chain of custody. But the cards are gone. And you know, they're going to make a bigger deal out of this but I think the judge is gonna you know see right through it. You're right. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know I'm gonna go to Dubay on this trial strategy. Dubay, you know if it were something innocent,

such as what Chris McDonough just brought up. The defense would have sat there and let it all come out, let the state build up to a crescendo. Hey, did Diddy pay to have this evidence destroyed? And then in one question on cross say, you heard all of this, but isn't it true? It was destroyed because of statute limitation. The case couldn't be prosecuted,

so the evidence was destroyed. So all that is total BS, and they would use that against the state in final closing arguments. I mean, I would. But instead, they writhed. They gnashed their teeth and twitched their tails. Well, I have two thoughts on it.

First of all, back in those days, the cops could unilaterally prepare a form, send it to the State Department of Justice seeking the sealing and destruction of any associated sort of ties to a suspect just based on the absence of evidence. And it was clearly within everybody's sort of frame of reference that Diddy would have been at the helm of that. But back then, detectives, investigating officers, and the leads had authority to fill out a judicial counsel form, sign up on it without any signature from the DA's office to remove

it from somebody's record. You know, Dr. Bethany Marshall, you know, I heard Philip Dubay's mind-numbing explanation. I like mine a lot better. But Dr. Bethany, I have always found, and again, I'm just a criminal trial lawyer, all right? If it's not about murder, I don't know about it. Dr. Bethany, the mind of an arsonist, there's something hinky-er about an arsonist. Because the pain that burning to death inflicts, the watching the fire, the using the Hermes scarf or a lookalike as the wick, it means something. You gotta help me here.

Well, I do think of P Diddy because he had just found out that Cassie was seeing Kid Cuddy. And when you combine explosive rage, fire, wanting to do maximum damage, trying to send a message, going inside the house, ripping open packages to make sure Christmas presents nonetheless, to make sure Kid Cudi wasn't giving a gift to Cassie. The arson in my mind goes to the biggest signal he can send without actually killing Kid Cudi right then and there. And by the way, who knows if he would have,

Kid Cudi hadn't been home. So that to me, I just, I think of impulse control disorder, explosive, intermittent explosive disorder, rage, aggression, and I think of sex trafficking. We're all talking about Rico this morning, but we think of P. Diddy as the pimp and Cassie is his victim. You know, some other dude is coming in and taking away the victim. He's going to scare that guy away. Joining us now, a very special guest, Lisa Kennedy. I'm sure you've seen her on the airwaves and you can find her at DailyMail.com where she is a columnist.

And I look forward to every single column you write. But I was especially intrigued by your Diddy column. But first, just remember this. Whatever happens between me and thee about Diddy, we'll always have Murdoch. Remember that late night we spent together on the airwaves, me sitting out in front of the courthouse in the pouring rain,

and you in your cozy studio interviewing me? Good times. We'll always have that night Kennedy. Now to the matter at hand, your article was amazing but I'd like to hear before I get to that your thoughts on what's happening in the courtroom now. There was just a motion for mistrial by the defense because someone destroyed fingerprint cards that relate to Kid Cuddy's arson and which of course that would have killed Cuddy if he had been in his Porsche, right? So catch this Kennedy, in the car they find the receptacle which can be you know can jar a bottle. I've had a lot of Molotov cases and who else could it be? It has to be Diddy because it was a designer scarf. A designer scarf like an Hermé, if that's the right pronunciation, like an Hermé scarf, was used as a wick for a molotov. Hello.

That is, no, that has Diddy all over it, but also Cassie and Diddy were in an on again off again relationship throughout a lot of their tumultuous union. And during one of those off periods, she was allegedly seeing Kid Cudi and Diddy found out about it and absolutely lost his mind because anyone in hip hop, especially someone who was more handsome and taller than him, was absolutely seen as an enemy, anyone who was a threat to his total control over Cassie. So when he found out that she and Scott had been talking, he lost his mind and he told her that he was going to kill her

and Kid Cudi and that he was going to blow up his car. So she has already testified to that. Obviously the relationship was explosive and if these accounts are to be believed, Diddy was the wick that was lit and the incendiary device was placed in his car and who knows if it was meant to kill him but it was absolutely sent meant to send a message that you are supposed to stay away from Cassie who was my property and it next time is going to be much worse and it will be deadly and you know, we heard some pretty damning testimony from Diddy's former assistant, Capricorn Clark. And she talked about how he was violent, he was threatening,

her work hours were absolutely impossible, how she was kidnapped. At some point, she was also forced to testify, not testify, she was forced to undergo a lie detector test because he accused her of stealing some of his expensive diamond jewelry. So, you know, the things that she said on the stand yesterday, I don't think bode well for Diddy. But, you know, this is just as a civilian observer. I've met Diddy many times. It's starting back in the early 90s when he was just a record executive

with an incredible year for talent. And then of course, he became a hip hop performer in his own right and then an entrepreneur. And I had met him several times throughout his career, several iterations. And there were always rumors that he would make vicious threats against people and that was one of the reasons that so many people didn't come forward earlier is they were they were fearful for their lives they were fearful for their safety. He obviously... Hey Kennedy. Yes. You really got my attention when you said Kid Cudi is taller than Sean Combs.

What, does Combs have a Napoleon complex? Oh, I can't believe you did this. I think he does. Yeah, I think he does. How short is he? He's shorter than me. I'm 5'9". So maybe he was wearing lips.

I'm not sure. Or maybe he needed some. Or little beetle boots. You know, Kennedy, you also point out, first let me ask you about the claims many people are making, that the state just hasn't proven coercion or force. And you, and I agree with you completely on this, point out all she endured, free coughs that go for days on end, repeat UTIs, so bad that the antibiotics wouldn't even work anymore. A developing mouth soars from hours and hours of oral sex with male sex workers.

Gastric issues, stomach issues because of all of the drugs. Getting a male sex worker urinating in her mouth until she choked. And then when she complained, combs comes over and joins in. What idiot would think this was consensual? Yeah, he joined in the PP party and you know, she's talking about things in excruciating detail. And you know, any of the female jurors on that panel have to be listening to this going, oh my God, that is absolutely inhumane, inexcusable treatment of another human being, particularly someone you claim to care about. And one of the male prostitutes said that he beat her so badly, he could hear it in the other room. And when Diddy stormed out, she jumped into the gigolo's lap

for, you know, out of fear and for some kind of protection. And the guy even said on the stand, I was worried that Diddy was going to kill me. You know, who was I to stand up to him because he's got bodyguards and a reputation and obviously is willing to make good on some of those threats. If in the middle of, you know, a psychotically intimate moment, he's taking his girlfriend in the other room to beat the crap out of her, you know, he'll stop at nothing to silence a male prostitute who could be his entire reputational undoing.

Melissa, what do you make of him parading his family in the courtroom for what I say as a production, as a prop? And what do you make of people that still say Ventura stayed in it willingly? I think that those people really need to educate themselves about abusive relationships and the cycles of abuse. And a person with so much access, money, and and power and the power he lorded over her in order to control her life.

I don't think it's as simple as that. Look at the bruises on her face. Look at the bruises on her body. Listen to her testimony. And any abuse survivor will tell you they do try and extricate themselves from the relationships over and over and over again. But that's why abusers are so terrifying

because they're so good at, again, love bombing you and winning back your trust, especially if part of the promise is, you know, stay with me, we'll live a wonderful life, you're gonna be a superstar, I'm the only one who can make it happen. And if you leave me, I have a laptop and a tablet full of videos of you in compromising positions. And the world will know that you are a worthless slut and you will never record or perform music again. Wow. Okay. You need to get in that courtroom and give that closing argument, Kennedy. This

article that I love so much that you wrote titled Kennedy's Furious Reaction to Day 4 of Duty Trial and the Nauseating Courtroom Moment that Will Be Impossible for This Jury to Ignore. We remember an American hero corporal Priscilla Pearson, Pontchartulapede, Louisiana, passed away in the line of duty, leaving behind husband turned widow Larry and her wonderful children, Lizzie, Brianna, MJ, Bradley, and Lily, sentenced to life without mom. American Hero Corporal Priscilla Pearson. Nancy Grace signing off.

Goodbye, friend.