Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DIDDY HUNGRY? REFUSES JAIL FOOD, MISSES PRIVATE CHEF, CONVINCED HE'LL BE POISONED?

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

As Diddy sits in jail on federal charges, a twelfth victim has come forward with a lawsuit accusing Sean Combs of drugging and raping her. Thalia Graves, who was dating a Bad Boy employee, says she accepted a glass of wine from Combs while riding in a car driven by his head of security, Joseph Sherman. Graves states she doesn’t remember passing out, but when she woke up, she was lying face down on a pool table with her hands tied behind her back, as Sean Combs raped her vaginally and anally. Years later, Graves learned that Combs had filmed the assault and shared the video with others. At the same time, speculation has arisen over what Sean "Diddy" Combs is eating in jail. Reports suggest he’s avoiding the meals provided by food services, fearing he could be poisoned. Former inmate Larry Levine suggests that Combs might be paranoid, but it’s not unreasonable to think someone could pay to have his food poisoned, potentially causing a heart attack. Correctional officers don’t earn much, and those implicated in the alleged videos have plenty of money. However, Levine also notes a simpler reason: many prisoners simply dislike the food when they first arrive.    Joining Nancy Grace today:  Renee Rockwell - Criminal Defense Attorney; Facebook: "Renee.Rockwell" Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst, Author – “Deal Breaker,”  featured in hit show: “Paris in Love” on Peacock;, Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive Dr. DeWayne Hendrix  - Former Associate Warden at the MDC in Brooklyn, and Former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons; Founder and President of A New Daylight Foundation, & Author: "Who Are You?  See it Say it and Seize it;" @anewdaylight (IG) @drdewaynehendrix (LinkedIn)  @anewdaylight (X) Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors Josh Sabarra  - Marketing Executive and Best-Selling Author: "Enemies Closer" Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did he hungry? Sean Combs apparently refusing jail food. Some say he's missing his private chef and convinced he will be poisoned. Because remember, it's all about him. Okay. It's not about his alleged sex trafficking victims. It's about him. He actually thinks someone might poison him behind bars. And I know he's in the MDC right now, but he better hide

under his bed because Gloria Allred is up his tailpipe now. In the last hours, is there ever a moment that a lawyer who is used to talking for a living realizes I should just shut up? Apparently not in some cases. In the last hours, TMZ, who is creating the downfall of Diddy on Tubi. Our friend Harvey Levin, who created TMZ, sits down with Sean Combs' lawyer. I want you to hear what happened. They call them freak offs. But, you know, back when I was a kid in the late 70s they were called threesomes. If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a thousand bottles of baby oil?

I don't know where the number a thousand came from. The U.S. Attorney said it. I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean you know and I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to do with anything. They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy. I guess. I don't know what you need a thousand. One bottle of saying it's a lubricant for an orgy. I guess. I don't know what you need 1,000. One bottle of baby oil goes a long way.

I don't know what you need 1,000 for. I mean, he has a big house he buys in bulk. You know, I think they have Costco's in every place where he has a home. I mean, have you sat in a parking lot of a Costco and seen what people walk out of there with? Not 1,000 bottles of baby oil. I don't think it was 1,000.

I think it was, let's just say it's a lot. OK. Every time I watch. Guys, that's from our friends at TMZ. That's our friend Harvey Levin speaking to Combs' lawyer, Agnefellow, from the downfall of Diddy, the indictment. OK. You know, from now on, he's stuck, Agnefellow. His face is going to appear.

And underneath it, it will say one bottle of baby oil goes a long way. And you got Levin having to explain to that fellow that baby oil is a lubricant for an orgy, but that's not what's happening here. It's forced sex, sex trafficking. And as much as I want to play that clip 5 million times and watch it over and over, joining me right now, Lynn Shaw, founder and director of Lynn's Warriors, that is devoted and committed to stopping sex trafficking. Now, the lawyer is not helping anything regarding Combs, and I got a lot of territory to cover. But Lynn Shaw, can we bring it back home and stop laughing about the baby oil as a lubricant and a thousand bottles? And I got to imagine Harvey 11 sitting

outside of a Costco that has never happened in life. But this is a very serious claim and the feds are not playing. Let's bring it home, Lynn Shaw. We know Gloria Allred is now representing the latest alleged victim. She doesn't play. This is serious. When you hear what this victim says, your stomach is going to clench. You know, Nancy, when I see that lawyer, I have to start here. I'm sorry. I know this is a family show, but I want to slap him across his face. This is no laughing matter.

All of this deflection about the baby oil, the lubricant and his smug attitude, that should all be put the efforts on the victims, the survivors of all of this that we have heard about for decades now. Where is that? His dismissive attitude, not even addressing any of these women. And I want everybody to remember there are rumors, right, of minors, children, teens, and boys and young men. We're not even talking about them at all. So when I see a Gloria Allred, she means business. And let me tell you, I hope with her presence and everybody, you know, she's a well-known name that more of these women will step forward. And particularly, I want them as teens because we heard for decades, there were

girls 15, 16, 17. That's what we heard about. And teenage boys. So I wish everybody would put the focus on what about that? Forget the baby oil. I am tired of that one. Put it on what's, you know, I don't care what he's eating in his prison cell. I don't care who he's rooming with, Sam Bankman Freed.

I don't care he's afraid of getting poisoned. Let us turn this around and let us go hardcore into what actually happened. What's on those tapes? Let's see those tapes. And everybody should start listening to Suge Knight, this is my opinion, and 50 Cent because they are unraveling a lot of information that we at the Warriors believe to be true about the abuse of several women, girls, men, and boys. And that's what we need to focus on. Guys, Lynn is correct. I want to talk about Thalia Graves. Joining me, investigative reporter with CrimeOnline.com, Sydney Sumner. Sydney, who is Thalia? Nancy, Thalia Graves was 25 years old at the time of the alleged incident that she is suing Combs over.

She was dating an employee at Bad Boy Records who worked directly under Combs. And her only real connection to Combs was her boyfriend's job. But she apparently was very involved in his appointment. And Combs specifically asked to meet with her about her boyfriend's employment. She was very focused on making sure that he did well at this job and was able to climb up the ladder at Bad Boy Records. That's who Thalia Graves is. She is also one of the latest called to meet with Combs, according to her, about her boyfriend's job. Now, what do you think she would do to safeguard the boyfriend's job? Listen. The internal pain after being sexually assaulted has been incredibly deep and hard to put into words.

It goes beyond just physical harm caused by and during the assault. I've dealt with a lot of rape victims. She, Thalia, in my mind, is telling the truth. Joining me now, a veteran trial lawyer who has defended drug lords, rapists, you name it, Renee Rockwell. You can find her on Facebook, Renee.Rockwell. Renee, thank you for being with us. You have dealt with many rape victims. You on the defense side defending their attackers, excuse me, alleged attackers. Me on the other side representing the crime victim.

It's a defense attorney's worst nightmare when the victim takes the stand and comes across as genuinely as Thalia Graves does. Nancy, but she's involved in a lawsuit. And I've always felt like a lawsuit when you're suing somebody cheapens your position because now it's about the money. And secondly, do you think that Combs cares about all these lawsuits that are filed against him? He wants to get out of jail and he should be out of jail. He's not guilty yet. And he was going to turn himself in. And now he's sitting in a jail. Where's the presumption of innocence, Nancy? Got a question for you, Ms. Rockwell. What should I do right now?

Send you the keys to the Fulton County Jail where all your clients are awaiting trial? H-E-L-L-N-O. He should not be out of jail. Unlike your clients, he has the wherewithal to hop right over to Teterboro and leave the country. He doesn't need a passport to get on that plane. And I guarantee you that there are plenty of countries across this world. France, for one, is hiding out Roman Polanski and more. We'd be happy to have him spending his money there. So are you telling me that you believe every defendant charged in a federal lawsuit,

a federal criminal charge, should get bond? Nancy, he hired an attorney. He was planning on turning himself in. And they grabbed him ahead of time. Now, I'll tell Clank. Who cares? To beat them to the jail. When you turn in, that's the first thing you can tell the

magistrate. He turned himself in. What they did was a SWAT team grabbed him before he could get there. I just have a problem with trial detention when you're innocent until proven guilty. Okay. You know what? I asked you one question. You gave me a different answer. You avoided it. That's okay. You're just arguing he got in jail too soon because there is no way that two judges, Taranofsky and Carter are going to turn down his bond based on the fact that he was arrested and didn't turn himself in. But I give you credit for trying to say, look at this, not at that. It might work with other people. It does not work with me.

And I want to go back to actually, she said something very valuable. And that is once you file a civil lawsuit, does that make me not believe her? No, I think she should file a civil lawsuit. But a good defense attorney like Rockwell will take that innocent fact and twist it around and contort it and fire it back at her on cross-examination along the lines of, isn't it true? You filed a multimillion dollar lawsuit against Mr. Combs. Isn't that true? And she'll have to say yes. And then they'll say, so you want this jury to believe that you're only coming forward because you were raped, not because you want the money? And then she'll have to say and explain herself to the jury.

Is it true? No. Will it happen in court? Absolutely. You be the judge. You listen to Thalia Graves. Listen. Some of the hardest parts of this pain are the shame and the guilt I have experienced that plays a negative part in my day-to-day ability to function properly. Being blamed, questioned, and threatened has often made me feel worthless, isolated, and sometimes responsible for what happened to me.

To Dr. Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, joining us out of Beverly Hills, author of Deal Breaker, you can also see her on Peacock. Dr. Bethany Marshall, when I hear what that victim says, it's so upsetting feel. And she said it all. I'm glad she's got Gloria Allred by her side. I know a lot of people mock Allred and make fun of Allred. They're just jealous. She's an incredible lawyer and she stands by her client through hell and high water. But she says, the shame and guilt I have experienced plays a negative part in my life every day. And I have found that to be true with not only rape victims, but adult victims of child molestation. Even after all those years, Bethany, they're still hounded,

haunted by what happened to them as a child and that feeling of helplessness. I can't stress that enough. You get over the cuts, the bruises, the abrasions of a rape or a sodomy, an anal rape. You go forward with that. You heal. But up here, I don't know that you ever heal, Bethany. Nancy, you never heal. And let's just be clear about what

happened to her. She was served a drink with drugs in it. She was brought into a studio. When she came to, Sean Puffy Combs allegedly was bashing her head against a pool table. She woke up again to being raped by him and his bodyguard, and then once again, being forced to perform oral sex. So let's just contextualize my comments, and that is that she's definitely experiencing post-traumatic stress disorder, and the cognitive component is self-blame, intrusive thoughts that one is to blame for the crime that occurred, for the assault that occurred. But Nancy, there are other symptoms. Avoidance is one of the most prominent symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. In this case, it would be avoidance of anything that would remind her of the original trauma. So she,

for instance, she may not be able to date because if a man flirts with her, she's going to be going into a flashback and then confusing that with the original trauma because the brain evens out past and present. Anything in the present that is reminiscent of the original trauma is felt to be identical. So let's say she gets in a great relationship. She's about to have sex or to be intimate. And all of a sudden she goes into a flashback and experiences herself as about to give you. Okay. I had a very close colleague when I was a criminal prosecutor, violent crime prosecutor. And when I had any legal issue, I would go to her. Brilliant mind. Happily married. Well into her marriage, she suddenly had a flashback of being sex assaulted by a family member as a child. Can I tell you that was the beginning of the end of her marriage?

All those years later, it happened. That's right. It happens. And people may not believe it, but I know her like the back of my hand. And I remember when it happened. And it was so vivid and so upsetting. She couldn't eat for days. Because she had that intrusive memory. She had no idea that it happened until it went through her mind. Nancy, I saw a patient for many years who was repeatedly assaulted as a child, and she finally found a great relationship with a wonderful man.

But she couldn't be sexually intimate because when he was about to, you know, love to her, she would actually experience it as if she was being raped. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace as diddy sits in jail on federal charges a 12th victim has come forward with a lawsuit alleging sean combs drugged and raped her thalia graves who was dating a bad boy employee, says she accepted a glass of wine from Diddy while riding in a car driven by head of security, Joseph Sherman. Graves says she doesn't remember passing out, but when she wakes up, she's lying face down on a pool table

with her hands tied behind her back as Sean Combs rapes her vaginally and anally. Years later, Graves learns Combs videoed the attack and distributed it to others. Good Lord in heaven. Videoed the attack and distributed the video to others. Graves, the lady we're seeing, Thalia Graves, claims she vomited and involuntarily defecated, pooped during the attack. She claimed Sean Combs wiped it all off and continued raping her.

She says Combs threatened her over the years to stay quiet. Now, let's just think about what we're hearing right now. The statute of limitations has run on her case. She stayed quiet for a long time, understandably, if this is true. She can still come into court, people. Get ready for that. It's a similar transaction. And Renee Rockwell, you know how much I love, first thing I would do when I get a case, run the rap sheet, run it in every state, every jurisdiction for me to start looking for similar trans actions, because if they're identical enough and they're close enough in time, they can be brought in front of a jury to show multiple things, motive, course of conduct,

frame of mind, MO, modus operandi, method of operation. It can be used for many, many things. And this woman, Thalia Graves, is saying exactly what the current accusers are saying, Renee. Exactly, Nancy. They all come in. The jury hears everything and can't decide what's important. Do I consider this just for the incident crime, or is this his signature crime? Is this his MO with every female? Another interesting thing is, and when we talk about the video tape recordings of all these incidents, Nancy, I'll be interested in knowing if the attorney is going to try to keep those excluded. In other words, they're picked up on a search warrant and they're opened without another search warrant. Remember, we went through that with a different case in Fulton County. So it'll

be interesting. Good luck on that. Because when you go in on a search warrant and you were looking for evidence that would be probative, prove something to a crime, you can look at the video. But I'd like to hear you make that argument in court. It's a good one, Renee. It's not going to work. I want to go back to Thalia Graves. Thalia Graves, the one that vomited and defecated during the attack. You be the judge. This is damning if this is true. And like Rockwell said, Combs is believed, assumed, presumed innocent innocent until proven guilty. Do you believe her? Listen. The trauma of the assault has taken a toll on my mental health. I've had PTSD, depression, and anxiety.

I'm emotionally scarred. It has been hard for me to trust others to form healthy relationships or even feel safe in my own skin. Dr. Bethany Marshall, just watching her, I want to get your analysis of looking at her and hearing her. Nancy, she sounds like she's in a major depressive disorder, that her cognition is a little bit slowed, meaning that she is so preoccupied with what happened to her, it's probably even difficult to get words out. Nancy, I doubt that she's really able to work. So she deserves to bring this civil lawsuit forward. She needs that money in order to support her for the rest of her life, not only support her financially, but also to pay for all of her medical needs. But again, she is classically post-traumatic stress disorder.

This is classic, tearful, anxiety. Okay, Bethany, you look at this completely differently than I do because I don't know all the words you're saying. I don't have your vernacular, but this is what I look for in any witness statement. I look for demeanor. I look to see if they're having the reaction I would expect them to have. Of course I could be wrong, but I look for that. But one thing I look for the most, that is, is their statement rich in detail? Detail that would be difficult to make up. Combs' family has come out and stated that the recent book by Kim Porter is not Kim's words. However, I find it extremely rich in detail with details. I would not expect

someone to readily put out there because they're very, very embarrassing. And she, Kim Porter, in this reported book says what you just said, that comes would set up threesomes, which would get bigger and bigger and bigger all the time. And it would be Porter with Combs and other guys. And then bit by bit, she noticed that it's mostly them and she's just standing. She's not really taking part in it. That's what is in her book. And Nancy, this was not a book when she originally wrote it. Women who are victims of domestic violence and assault notoriously keep diaries. And the reason they keep diaries is the assault leaves them in a dissociated state where they don't trust their own perceptions. So they write and write and write about what happened to them because they're trying to make sense of it. I've had abuse victims drive around with piles of notebooks in the back of their car because

all they were doing was writing and writing to just kind of hold on to the thread of the horrible criminal actions against them and trying to make sense of it. So this was her diary. This wasn't a book. This is her diary. Defendant Combs and another defendant committed a violation of New York civil rights law, quote, section 52, hyphen B, end quote, by quote, raping plaintiff and recording it. The lawsuit also alleges that, quote, defendant Combs and another defendant published and or disseminated the videos without plaintiff's knowledge or consent.

Diddy behind bars in a New York jail with alleged barbaric and dangerous conditions as he's placed on suicide watch. Suicide watch. He's getting treated with kid gloves when his lawyer has come out and said he's not suicidal. So he's basically in the medical unit getting special treatment. But now Diddy hungry. Apparently he's missing his private chef. I hate when that happens, when you can't take your private chef, your celebrity chef with you behind bars at the Metro detention center. That's got to hurt. But we are also hearing that he is so self-centered. He thinks he may be poisoned behind bars. Let's just think that through to its logical conclusion

to Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, joining us, former associate warden at the MDC in Brooklyn. And there's just so much more to his resume, but I will say author, who are you? See it, say it and seize it. Okay. Dr. Hendricks, can we just talk about the MDC for one moment and what it would take? I mean, Epstein reportedly killed himself and the guards didn't even notice they were online shopping and sleeping. So under this theory, they're not slackers anymore and they're willing to execute a covert operation to poison Diddy. Right. How's that going to happen? Dr. Hendricks? First of all, that's not going to happen. MCC New York is where the incident happened with Mr. Epstein. But at MDC Brooklyn, that definitely will not happen. But in terms of the conditions, his conditions, think about someone who probably never wore the same outfit twice in a row or two times.

And now all of a sudden you are in handcuffs. You're being processed. You're being booked. You're getting fingerprinted. You're going through an intake process. They ask you questions about your medical history, your mental health. Are you in fear for your life? Well, excuse me, Dr. Hendricks.

Excuse me. Excuse me. Could I ask the control room why you keep showing me photos of a metal urinal? I don't care that Combs has to take, well, urinate into a metal urinal. Don't care. So if you think that's engendering sympathy or empathy, it's not. Okay. I'm sorry, Dr. Hendricks, you were saying for a guy that's used to never wearing the same outfit twice. What were you saying? Yeah. And who's never lost control of his go his whereabouts. I mean, you think about you go from a 14000 square foot

mansion in one city, a 17000 square foot mansion in another city. And now you're in a six foot by eight foot cell, 23 hours a day for the foreseeable future, that will take a mental toll on a person. However, I'm sure he's going through an array of emotions in terms of wanting to control his environment, what he eats, when he sleeps, who he gets to talk to. And based on the high profile, you know, because this is a high profile case, you know, obviously we would want to or the institution would want to place him in a special housing or an area where they can, you know, monitor his behavior and make sure that he is not. B.S.

Sorry. B.S. He's getting he is in a special unit because he's rich and famous, just like Bankman Freed down the hall from him. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. He is not suicidal. So why is he in the med unit?

Well, I'm not sure exactly what unit he's on, but if he's in special housing, he is an administrator. If he is in special housing, he is an administrative detention. OK. And they need to assess his his case in terms of being high profile, especially with the you know, what happened with the individual Epstein at MCC New York. They're going to treat him just like they treated Jelaine Maxwell, the same way they treated R. Kelly when he was incarcerated there. Did you say high profile? He's not getting special treatment. He is in a different unit because he's high profile. And while I've got you, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, look, I'm not attacking you.

I'm attacking what's happening. Did I hear steak? Did I hear chicken, bone in chicken with stuffed chicken with rice, eggplant parm, a rib steak? What? I don't get that. Why is he getting it? He's not getting it. I'm sitting here looking at the national menu for the federal prisons as we speak.

You're talking about Parmesan. On certain Mondays of the month, they get chicken Parmesan. And I'll tell you, in detention centers... Wait, are you actually trying to make a difference with me between chicken Parm and eggplant parm? Oh, no, it's not eggplant parm, Nancy. It's chicken parm. I don't care. No, what I'm trying to explain, Nancy, is it's a national menu.

These meals are cooked three days in advance. OK, so can you think about having, you know, twelve, fifteen hundred persons that you have to cook for every day, three meals a day? They're cooked in a certain location in the jail. They have to be packaged, put in food carts, moved over to the housing unit they're in. They're rib eye steak. What does that have to do with what I'm saying? No, what I'm saying is he's not getting the food that you're talking about. There is no steak.

What exactly is Sean Diddy Combs eating in jail? Word is, it's not the meals provided by food services for fear he might be poisoned. Ex-inmate Larry Levine says Combs may be paranoid, but it's not unimaginable that someone inside could be paid off to poison the food with a substance that could give Diddy a heart attack, for instance. Correctional officers don't make a lot of money, and the people who may or may not be on Diddy's tapes have plenty of money. Levine concedes a much simpler explanation is many prisoners just don't like the food when they first arrive. Yeah, especially when you've been living with a private chef. Okay, Dr. Bethany,

help me out because I don't think I have the right words to truly enunciate the massive me, me, me, me. He actually thinks somebody is going to risk their job to kill him and nobody will ever find out. You don't think they'll do an autopsy and find poison in his system? Is he crazy? You know, Nancy, it's very typical for men who are sociopathic. And obviously I don't know Sean Puppy Combs, but the traits that I'm seeing are very sociopathic, for them to feel grandiose and vulnerable, like they can get away with everything until they get caught. Once they're caught, they do become quite paranoid. It's like there's this weird psychological collapse where all of a sudden they think everybody's against them. And they're right. They are going to get in trouble. People are against them, but not in the sense that they're

going to poison. Can you please put it in a nutshell? Because you're totally losing me in the weeds. What? Nobody's poisoning Diddy. That's just another grandiose conspiracy theory. Because he he's paranoid because he knows he did bad things. He's displacing it into the. OK, that I just understood. You know, Renee Rockwell with me, a veteran criminal defense attorney who I don't know how she does it. Defends rapists every day of her life. Have fun with that, Renee. But really, he actually thinks he's going to get

poisoned behind. What do you think for one second that his life is not in danger? He's got federal charges. They're very, very serious. Did you want me to actually answer that? Can I? Yes. I think somebody might enjoy beating him up. Nobody's going to poison him. Do you think his life is not in danger with federal charges where other people are going to be implicated? He's on fire right now. He's on fire right now. The only thing he can do with all these videos is stop, drop, and roll. He's going to have to roll.

Okay, I don't even know what that has to do with him being poisoned behind bars. I can't wait to find out if Diddy's going to do a hunger strike not happening. Oh, I just had a great idea, Renee. Maybe he should get a royal food taster for King Combs behind bars. What about that, Dr. Hendricks? Now we're going to have to test his food so nobody drops a little poison in there. No, that wouldn't need to happen. The inmates, the incarcerated persons are the ones who's preparing those meals and no one's going to poison his food. Now, I will say this as far as a hunger strike, they are monitoring

all of his meals. And if he misses a certain amount, the medical staff will be checking his vitals and mental health staff will be checking in. I can't believe this guy's getting all this checking his vitals, my rear end. You know what? Let's bring it home. Like Lynn Shaw says, can we stop talking about his food and his celebrity chef and his alleged poisoning behind bars. This is what I'm talking about. The DHS Department of Homeland Security source says Sean Combs kept sensitive and embarrassing videos from the sessions as collateral to ensure silence from his victims, who are often young women, barely old enough or still too young to legally consent to sexual activity. He further says the recovered tapes show women completely out of it, while male sex workers assault them on Combs orders.

The investigator says, in his opinion, Diddy's as bad as Jeffrey Epstein. Not only raping the women, the allegations not yet proved in court, but videoing them and dispersing them. Lynn Shaw, this is exactly what you were talking about. I don't even know what we're talking about here today. We're talking about if he can get some extra Snickers bars, this guy, when one in four children in America go to bed hungry every night. I know lawyers, I say this with all due respect, you're ruining everything for assault victims and rape victims. I'm even married to a lawyer. Why are we disbelieving the victims?

You always believe a victim until proven otherwise. We're worried about he's going to be poisoned. I'm sure in this jail detention center, they're lined up and want to use their commissary dollars to buy him food. I am sick of talking about him, him, him. Because now we have all these videos and nobody's addressing. I am sure not only has he blackmailed people, threatened people, and we don't know there are going to be probably thousands of women. And I'm going to keep saying minors, boys and young men too, and men also. And this is the tip of the iceberg. So we should be talking about that.

And furthermore, I spent yesterday, we work with rape victims every single day at the Warriors. And I was with one of our Warriors yesterday and she said, stop calling it post-traumatic stress disorder. Call it post-traumatic stress. It is not a disorder, Lynn. Look what was done to us. We can't eat. We can't work. You can't work. You can't make money. You might have children. How are you going to feed your children? This is the focus. Lives are ruined and it goes on the trauma for the rest of one's life. And that's where we should be putting the focus. Not on he is welcome to have Swedish meatballs and mashed potatoes and gravy. I don't want to hear about that anymore. Focus on the victims. I had sex with Cassie and Sean. Basically, he would masturbate and tell me what to do with Cassie.

I had like 15 encounters, and I heard lots of business. Because what they would do is, Sean talks a lot on the phone and on the TV, with people and stuff, and I was like a sex slave. That is Jonathan Odie under interrogation describing basically, in his words, being a sex slave to Sean Combs. But what sticks out in my mind about what he said is that he says he hears Combs doing business deals. That's exactly what Kim Porter says in her book. And she refers to a hit on Notorious B.I.G., Biggie, and a hit on Tupac Shakur. Her children and family say she didn't write it.

That said, that's in the book. But that said, where are all of Combs' celebrity friends? Joining us now, a PR guru, marketing executive, bestselling author of Enemies Closer, his latest book. He is also president and CEO of Breaking News PR, Josh Sabara. Josh, thank you for joining us. We're all Diddy's friends because, you know, during Harvey Weinstein, they couldn't get in front of a microphone fast enough. But now everybody's gone DEFCON 4, radio silent. Right. It's the typical Hollywood reputation management situation where you're guilty by association. not to speak on the subject because it then puts their name in the mix when something's in a very

hot or current news cycle. So they become attached to something that they don't necessarily want to be. But as you know, Hollywood can be conspicuously silent. Josh Sabara, I know how you are, in fact, a city boy, but in my neck of the woods, when you pass a cow pasture, you don't run straight to the cow poop and jump in it because it will stick on your clothes. So let me understand something. Now all of Sean Combs' famous friends, business partners, they're all being scrutinized. Every other day, I see another famous star. Look, they're in a picture with Combs. You got, I don't know if Obama's been in a picture or not, but you got Trump. You've got Hillary.

I think you've got Harris. You have, oh, well, there's Usher. You got Justin Bieber. You have got Hillary. I think you've got Harris. You have. Oh, well, there's Usher. You got Justin Bieber. You have Naomi Campbell. You've got the Kardashians. Everybody is pictured with him like that somehow incriminating. Well, it's not correct because but in this climate, you know, and social media being, you know, so so important to people, everything can be a landmine in the middle of cancel culture. So nobody wants to take that risk. And taking a stand means that they're attaching themselves to a negative news story that's very current. And nobody wants to have their name associated with it. But the truth is, and you know, Nancy, being a celebrity, you know, people take pictures at parties, events, all kinds of things. And you don't necessarily know who you're taking a picture with or what's in that person's pack.

So they're choosing to stay silent so they don't get the stink on them. Is that right? That's absolutely right. They you know, people don't want the association. It's like when a brand wants to disassociate from somebody because they're afraid of tarnishing it. For example, Kanye West and Adidas. Dr. Bethany Marshall, did you just hear Josh Sabara? What are they afraid?

They don't want to go down with the ship or are they jumping ship like drowning rats? Nancy, they were on the ship with P. Diddy. They did see things. They did hear things. Somebody like P. Diddy is so pathological. All he wants to do is talk about sex and his obsession with drugging women and putting them behind locked doors, just like he did on Conan O'Brien. I'm sure he talked to his celebrity friends. They dismissed it. They're thinking back on it. They're like, Ruh-roh, I was involved conversationally in talking about a crime. And while they, I believe, were not part of the so-called freak-offs, that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. That's a euphemism.

It's sex trafficking, as Lynn Shaw keeps reminding us rightfully. they're all gone. Why? They wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole. But if you know or think you have to offer may be vital to these alleged victims. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend.