Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DIDDY TO WALK FREE?

Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Diddy on suicide watch? That's right. This as he demands an emergency hearing to walk free. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

Starting point is 00:00:27 Diddy wants out. The disgraced rapper makes yes. another bid at an early release from jail after 13 months of detention following a split verdict in his divisive trial. Did he wants out? That's why he's sad he wants out. So does every other cellmate, every other inmate on the block. They all want out.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Why do they want out? They're in jail. Why are they in jail? Because of something they did and for which they are convicted. I guess he does want out. What about it, Rob Sheeter? Is he missing that private chef? Is he missing the minions that go out at 3 a.m.

Starting point is 00:01:05 and find him freshly made cheesecake and bring back to him and take a bite and go, here you go, Diddy. Here comes the plane. Open the runway. He's definitely missing his life. He wouldn't miss that life. He had one of the most extraordinary lives of anybody on this planet, but he blew it. He broke the law.

Starting point is 00:01:27 Put him up. Get Combs off the beach eating fresh mango. Please stop. The most extraordinary life. See, when I think of extraordinary lives, I think of Mother Teresa. I think of Billy Graham. I think of Christ. I think of the Pope.

Starting point is 00:01:46 I think of all the people that have done good works. What's extraordinary about selling perfume? Help me out here. What's extraordinary? What about all those free coughs? all those black eyes, all those bruises his victims got. The prostitution charges across state lines. What's extraordinary?

Starting point is 00:02:04 I find him extremely ordinary, just like every other pimp in the jailhouse. Yeah, I get you point, Nancy, and he probably hasn't done anything extraordinary, but there is no doubt the life that he led, the power, the money, the prestige that he once had, especially whether or not he still has that. But that life was a pretty extraordinary life. the way you say that just gets under my skin you talk about combs like he's some icon the power the movie the way you say that it's just like dirt in my mouth did you not see the bruises on those women did you not hear the testimony about how one had been with all these sex workers

Starting point is 00:02:46 and went in the shower and vomited and he goes put on some makeup ho and get back out there really that's extraordinary it is extraordinary it is extraordinary This is not ordinary, Nancy. This is not ordinary behavior. The reason he got away with it for so long was because of his power, his money. And some would argue he is still getting away with it. Now, this was not the verdict that a lot of people wanted. I think it's naive to pretend that his power and his money is not a big part of who Diddy and the myth of Diddy is.

Starting point is 00:03:17 Okay, here's the other thing, the whole thing about suicide watch. Do you really think that Sean Combs? would kill himself because Sean Combs loves Sean Kimes more than anybody else in the world. Yeah, absolutely. No, I don't buy it at all. If he was going to kill himself, he would have done it already. At the moment, Team Cones, Puffy, Sean, whatever you want to call him, he thinks he's winning. At the minute, this is not a humble man from all the sources I've spoken to is empowered. He feels like he's going to be coming out soon and he thinks he's going to be back on top. So no, I don't buy the suicide watch at all.

Starting point is 00:03:57 If he was going to kill himself, it would have already happened. You know, I'm just wondering, and I don't want to negate the possibility of it being legit. To Dr. John Deletori joining me, I need to shrink.

Starting point is 00:04:11 Dr. Deletori, renowned psychologist, a mediator specializing in forensic psychology. It's hard for us on the outside to look in. But everything I have seen of Sean Combs, he uses the system. He's gotten off time after time after time.

Starting point is 00:04:33 The woman that got shot in the face in the nightclub says, Combs shot me. And he was acquitted. Tupac Shakur, uh, witness says, Combs took out a million dollar hit. Yet he walked. I mean, it just happens over and over again, parading out his own children to do that birthday video to try to gin up sympathy amongst the jury, bringing in his children, including young, impressionable girls during the testimony about forcing women to have sex with sex workers, drugging them. You're seeing it right now from at Prince JDC on Insta. Using other people,

Starting point is 00:05:17 using mules to carry his dope, using women, using the mother's, of his children. It just, it just, it's nasty. Isn't that what a narcissist is? And the narcissist is to love themselves that much commit suicide? I don't understand.

Starting point is 00:05:38 I'm just a trial lawyer. You tell me. Yeah, I think, yes. Number one, this is the, the high level of narcissism that we come to expect with individuals with too much power having these kinds of perverted deviancies.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Now, when it comes to, Is someone capable, is a narcissist capable of committing suicide? The answer is yes, but under really specific circumstances. I swear I think he's getting his feet and his legs exfoliated. Stop. Everything. This, ugh. Yeah, this is the type of person that is not going to commit suicide.

Starting point is 00:06:16 He truly believes that the moment that he gets out, all of this stuff, right, this private plane, right? All of these people as his suicide. servants are going to be there for him to subjugate themselves to him once again. So is he actually legitimately a high risk to commit suicide? No. And I think that takes away from the individuals who are a high risk to commit suicide. He's playing this game and thinking that he's winning because that's all part of the narcissism and power and control that he believes the delusional belief that he has over the

Starting point is 00:06:49 people around him. And he's been getting away with it. So that's why he continues to use it. Dr. DeLotori, I've had crime victims commit suicide, a rape victim. She just couldn't live with it anymore. I had a colleague commit suicide, and I did not see it coming. And I thought I knew him so well. Just walked into San Francisco Bay, and that was it, and drowned.

Starting point is 00:07:21 I didn't see it coming. So the pain that suicides cause to those around you, I remember as a little girl in sixth, seventh grade, a friend of ours, mom committed suicide. Nobody could believe it. I remember she used to call in the local radio station, WMAZ, and talk on the chat line in the mornings. And she was so bubbly and funny, just hilarious. and her little girls, I think she had three girls, were just devastated when their mom, who was like the charismatic one of the family, killed herself. So it leaves behind a wake of pain that never goes away.

Starting point is 00:08:07 And it's handed down, like the way they raise their children, the way they raise their children, and so forth and so on. But to see somebody pretend to be suicidal and use it to try to. try to get out of jail early. I don't like that when real victims suffer real consequences. And that's what gets lost here, right? That there are real people. He victimized real people.

Starting point is 00:08:33 And these people have to live with the shame and the trauma. And we hope that they're getting the help that they need so that they're not wearing this mask that things are okay when things are not okay. And so now we have Diddy here putting on this air of, oh my God, my life is so bad. because I'm in prison. Well, don't, don't hurt people. If he didn't hurt people, if he used his power and his money, if he used his influence to actually help people, then he wouldn't be in this predicament. He made choices. His narcissistic, deviant behaviors put him in this position to be in prison. And now he's saying that he's too weak to actually commit crime. Going now to a veteran trial lawyer from the Lovell firm, Trey Lovell is joining us.

Starting point is 00:09:31 And again, I can't stress enough, veteran trial lawyer. Trey, if you could just take off your defense hat and just one moment and be real. You and I have both seen inmates work the system, right? They work it to a way in a way that benefits. it's them. I remember after I was first assigned to the busiest courtroom in the courthouse in intercity Atlanta. We were on trial every other week for a variety of reasons. I went into my first plea negotiation. That judge would have the DA sit down with the defendant and their lawyer to work out a deal. And they spotted that I wore a cross every day. The next week for

Starting point is 00:10:15 plan arraignment, they all came in with big crocheted crosses, this big around their chest and sat there. I'm like, stop, okay. So they were trying to work it to get a better deal out of me. See what I mean? That's just a tiny example of jobbing the system. Is that what Combs is doing? I mean, I'm on suicide watch to get better treatment, to get out of jail, to get on a different cell block. What is he doing? He's the master manipulator, Trey. Well, they're trying to get some sympathy for him saying, look, you know, he's, it's devastating in jail. Conditions are horrible.

Starting point is 00:10:55 It's on suicide watch. He's got seven kids and a mom to take care of. He's already suffered. We need to get him out of there. Now, this is all part of the ploy to try to. Trey Lovell. He knows where babies come from. He's got seven children.

Starting point is 00:11:11 Yeah, you have to support them. That was his decision. I'm sure Sean Combs knows where babies come from, Lovell. Listen, he's got the opportunity now to really get a lenient sense. And what I mean is he beat most of the prosecution on serious charges. He's looking at two charges, the fan of station, engaged in prosecution. And the fact that he's got no prior convictions, supposedly he's changed in jail, he's helping people. This is an opportunity that his lawyers are jumping on to get him out.

Starting point is 00:11:43 They're going to use everything they can. sympathy he's a changed man the crime is not that as serious as the others it's a consensual nonviolent crime your honor he can do better outside did you say nonviolent you know what you you really do take the cake you really do beat all level nonviolent um control room if you don't mind uh send to his text the photos of all those bruises women suffered as sean in Combs' his hands. And in the meantime, listen to this. Judge Subraman may hear arguments on Combs' desperate motion for a new trial ahead of sentencing. Combs claims freakoffs are a First Amendment right and that he can't be prosecuted under the Man Act for hiring escorts

Starting point is 00:12:30 that he did not have sex with. Prosecutors argued the Man Act does not distinguish and there was more than enough evidence to support Combs' convictions. Joining me right now, Tisa Tell's investigative reporter. on YouTube, Tisa, an emergency hearing, he has dragged us all back to court over and over and over for his repeated bond hearings, including an appeal bond after the conviction, still claiming, let me out. I don't deserve to be here. Wake up comes, look around, you're convicted. This is Home Sweet Home for a long time to come. Why does he want an emergency hearing? Why else? Because he is literally throwing everything against the wall,

Starting point is 00:13:13 like it's spaghetti. At this point, I feel like I'm starring an X-rated version of Sunny with a chance of meatballs. He is saying everything he can. First, he is a Messiah to the prison inspiring others. Then he might be on suicide watch. But he thinks he's going to get out. But the community loves him. And by the way, he inspired everybody by selling a million bottles of perfume. He's doing what he can with he can. And to a certain point, you can't blame him. One, because even the devil wants to survive, you know? He's not saying to Jesus, okay, take me out now. So what he's doing what he is. Evil likes to survive. But for two, his lawyers did the unthinkable. They literally got him out of the more serious offenses. And now, instead of being

Starting point is 00:14:00 humble, instead of taking his punishment like he should, instead of having any sense of decency, because he got, if you listen to Rob Shooter and everyone else, he got to where he is by being shameless. He now thinks he can do his final trick and escape any type of accountability. Thank goodness, it looks like Judge Aaron is not buying it. But again, you never know. So why is he doing it? Simply because he can. This is a man that for his entire life, he did things to other people's bodies, both mentally, physically and sexually because he could. And when it comes to a justice system, nothing has changed. I think that's why he's doing it. to Rob Sheeter joining us, um, host of Naughty But Nice Podcast. He's at Rob Sheeter.com and

Starting point is 00:14:49 former PR guru to Sean Combs. See, this is what I don't like. I don't like him using other suicide victims and their families, the people that love them, using that to try to work the system. Did you ever once? And all the time you worked with Sean Combs, aka Diddy, did you ever see him self-harm? Did you ever hear of suicidal ideation? Did he ever put anybody else before himself? Three questions, three answers, Nancy.

Starting point is 00:15:28 No, no, no. I never, ever saw him ever try to harm himself. Harming other people is what Puffy did. He doesn't harm himself. He is the center of. of his universe. Diddy loves one person on this planet and that person is Diddy. He would never, ever hurt himself. Now, would he hurt other people to give himself pleasure? We've seen that very clearly. The answer to that is yes. But the suicide watch is really concerning,

Starting point is 00:15:58 Nancy, not only because of the shame that this does to people who really are, who really are are on suicide watch. This also potentially, and may I even dare say, maybe work. He has pulled a lot of things out of the hat, Nancy, and I'm afraid to say, many of them have worked. Out of the hat. I think he's pulling it out of something else, but I can't say it on the air. Lynn Shaw is joining me, founder, executive director of Lynn's Warriors, which is committed

Starting point is 00:16:29 to saving victims from trafficking and abuse. If you look her up, you'll see her constantly leading one march after the next in Washington, always fighting the good fight. Lynn Shaw, I have seen the mental and emotional turmoil that sex attack victims live through. They have suicidal thoughts. They can't get away from it because of what was done to them in that feeling of powerlessness. It never goes away. The scars may go away, the bruising may go away, the cuts, the bleeding, that may go away.

Starting point is 00:17:10 But the emotional scars never go away. It affects them for the rest of their lives. And I think Sean Combs is trading off other people's pain to try to get out of jail free. Well, of course he is, Nancy, because this is his playbook. First of all, aka dirty-ditty degenerate. You know what? He's like a piece of old gum stuck on the bottom of my shoe, and I can't shake him. We work every single day with victims of sexual exploitation, sexual crimes, rapes, okay?

Starting point is 00:17:42 This is so offensive. You know what? It is so offensive because these people we work with these young women, older women, girls even, are so traumatized. This is not something you get attacked. It goes away, as you've pointed out. This is a lifelong trauma. Sometimes it doesn't rear its ugly head for five, ten years, and then it comes out full force. This dirty ditty degenerate, he destroyed so many lives.

Starting point is 00:18:09 And he has no shame. We've seen this over and over again. Total, total destruction. I find this completely offensive. But you know what? There's something to it because, as Rob Schueter pointed out, he seems to just have, get away with everything. No accountability.

Starting point is 00:18:23 And you know what a slap in the face that is? To all of the victims and survivors of these crimes, they feel like the justice system is never on their side. And they also say to me, you know what? You have a couple of bucks. And that's all that. everybody cares about. What a disgrace this man is. To Dr. Dwayne Hendricks joining us, former warden at MDC in Brooklyn, former Senior Warden, U.S. Department of Justice,

Starting point is 00:18:47 Federal Bureau of Prisons, founder and president of a New Daylight Foundation, author of Who Are You? See it. Say it. Sees it. It goes on and on. Dr. Hendricks, thank you for being with us. Did you tell me that you don't believe. Sean Combs is on suicide watch. No, he's not on suicide watch. What he is, he's on a two-hour watch program that's associated with either monitoring inmates who have escape risk or very problematic to the operations of the institution. Who are very delicate and don't like the food.

Starting point is 00:19:26 Not that, Nancy, but or inmates who are at suicide risk. So he is, he is not happy with having to every two hours, approach a staff member, whether it's an officer or someone else in the building, approach them with his ID to prove that one, he is alive, that he is not causing any issues, and he is not at a risk of suicide or having any suicidal ideation at that time. So that's what his lawyers are referring to when he's saying he's on constant suicide watch. Because ultimately, how can he be on constant suicide watch while facilitating entrepreneurship classes and other self-improvement things to other inmates in the building

Starting point is 00:20:06 if he's constantly on suicide watch. He would have to be taken to another unit. Wait a minute. So, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, no offense to you, since you have been the former warden at MDC. But so you're telling me, you know more than Fox News, CBS, NBC, ABC, YouTube, let's see here, Yahoo, blah, blah, blah, blah. They all say he's on suicide watch, but you,

Starting point is 00:20:32 Dr. Dwayne-Henrich say, you're all wrong. Why? I'm saying they're wrong because they are calling it suicide watch when I'm saying he's on a two-hour watch program. And I saw it in one of the reports when I was reading articles yesterday that Mr. Combs is upset that he has to constantly present his ID card to a staff member every two hours. And that's what his attorneys are referring to as far as he's on constant suicide watch. He's not on watch.

Starting point is 00:20:59 He is being monitored closely. Because of possible risk and also because of his high-profile nature and that kind of thing. But there's no way that he would be moving in and out of his unit every couple of hours, I mean, every couple of days while teaching and improving inmates' lives through, you know, showing them how to be entrepreneurs while he's trying to mitigate his dad. Hold on. Dwayne Hendricks, you know, wait, hook, line, and sinker. Man, he got you right by the mouth.

Starting point is 00:21:30 helping inmates teaching entrepreneurship, what? How to throw a freak off? Well, if somebody's lying, I mean, either he's on suicide watch or he's teaching these classes. And I don't know who he's teaching and I don't know who's listening to him. But I also saw a report where they were saying the inmate approached him with a homemade knife. In a unit with individuals that are charged with crimes similar to his. He's not in there with hardening inmates.

Starting point is 00:22:01 I've never seen a shank in that part of the jail that he's at in a dorm style unit. And he supposedly had talked this inmate down from stabbing him and all this kind of stuff. So all these stories are all, they're all made up. But I do believe he's on a two-hour watch program. But I'm not certain about him. He's on suicide watch. He's not. He's on a two-hour watch program.

Starting point is 00:22:25 And we use that in various ways in the Bureau of Prisons. depending on again the security level of the institution and then specifically this particular individual who is high profile who may be at suicide risk depending on what the decision is made next Friday because I'm going to tell you right now he's looking forward to getting on that private jet but if he is sentenced to more than about 24 months his next flight is going to be on a conair plane and he's going to be handcuffed and Martin chain for three to four hours at every flight until he gets to his destination. So I'm sure his anxiety level is pretty high

Starting point is 00:23:05 because he's not really sure which plane he's going to be on. Either he's going to be on a con air flight with the U.S. Marshals or he'll be probably planning on some sort of freakoff situation if he gets to get that private jet to his private jet if he's given a year and a day or time serves sentence. So I'm sure his anxiety level is pretty high right now. Did he's defense pleased with Judge Subramani and arguing the rapper has served enough time behind bars.

Starting point is 00:23:32 Meanwhile, Diddy promises after decades of wild partying and alleged drug use that he is finally clean. Okay, what? Okay, joining me right now is Lauren Conlin star Pop Crime TV on YouTube. Wait just a minute. He is now saying, what? He should get out of jail on time served because what?

Starting point is 00:23:58 Correct, Nancy. Diddy's attorneys are arguing that he should serve no more than 14 months, time served, and when he gets out, he'll be on supervised release, he'll do group therapy, drug therapy. Their argument, I mean, it's incredibly long. They cite that he has not only gotten sober in jail, but he has helped others through therapy, through group settings, and he's a changed man here. And also, Nancy, he got more than seven. letters of support from families and celebrities.

Starting point is 00:24:34 Well, isn't it true that most of those letters are from colleagues and people that are living off of him? That's actually, that's a good point. I actually didn't think of that, but correct. His baby mama, Sarah Chapman, Dana Tran. Put her up. How did you not think of that, Lauren Conlin? I mean, when you look at a witness that you're considering putting on the stand or using their letter of recommendation, you weigh their veracity, their credibility. What, if anything, do they have to gain or lose based on what they tell the court?

Starting point is 00:25:15 Almost every one of these people, without exception, are living off Sean comes. Yeah, they've got a lot to lose. They might have to go get a job. What about that? Well, you could argue, that's fair. You could argue Young Miami is technically not living off Sean Pomes. Dallas Austin is not living off Sean Pomes. However, I didn't think those letters were anything spectacular.

Starting point is 00:25:41 Dallas Austin's letter, I thought it was very lackluster. He kind of just talked about, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're the one that brought up Young Miami, not real name. Now, isn't it true that Young Miami accused of, you know, of transporting pink cocaine for combs? That's an allegation. There have been many allegations. She has never been charged for that. But she, her letter actually was decent, Nancy.

Starting point is 00:26:07 I mean, she talked about how, quit telling me about her letter supporting Sean Combs. She is accused of transporting pink cocaine for him as a mule. Isn't that true? Yes. Yes. Yes, but she has never been charged. Isn't it true that she, but, but, but, but, but, isn't it true that she, uh, posted a video of herself at a dress fitting for her met gala appearance with combs? Correct. And she does cite that as well. She cited that he opened a lot of doors for her.

Starting point is 00:26:47 Colin, Colin, that's a yes, no, dear. Colin, have you ever been invited to the met gala? Have you? Yes, no. To cover for press. Yes, I have, but not as an intending. Oh, okay. So, let me rephrase my question. Have you ever been invited as a guest at the Met Gala? Not one of the fringe on the side going, hey, hey, hey, question, question, or taking a picture? I mean, one of the people that go up the red carpet and post, can we see the gala photos of Sean comes in his cape, please? ever, have you ever walk the red carpet at the Met Gala?

Starting point is 00:27:26 Yes, no. No, I have not. Okay. So how do you think Young Miami got invited to the Met Gala? Think, think, thinky. Well, Sean Combs invited her

Starting point is 00:27:41 and you're... Oh, okay. So Rob Sheeter joining me, longtime PR guru, former publicist Sean Combs. Is somebody trying to to tell me the young Miami and everybody else is writing these letters aren't, gosh, I'm trying to think of a nice way to say this.

Starting point is 00:27:59 Aren't, they're like ticks, sucking the blood. Out of Sean Combs bank account. They're all living off him. Yes, H-E-O-L-Y-E-S, they want him out of jail. They want him working again. They want him to push that perfume and the clothing and the comeback tour so they can live high on the hog. that is not worth a hill amaze to me.

Starting point is 00:28:23 You are right, Nancy. I love Lauren Collin. Hello, my friend. But on this instance, I think we have to disagree. Everybody around Didi, pretty much everybody, including family members, are all there because he pays for everything. Most of them get a salary from him. They get a monthly fee from him. All the money comes from Puff.

Starting point is 00:28:45 When Puff can't make money, they can't either. And it's not just about money, Nan. Nancy. It's about power here. Being in his inner circle gave always hangarons. That's the word I would use. All these people who hung on, it gave them power that they do not have when the king is not around. So that's why they want him all out. They want their old lives back. And so that's why they are writing these letters saying lovely things about him. It's interesting, Nancy. None of the people that do not need Puff anymore, the Beyonce's, the JZs, the Anna Winters, the Clive Davis's, people who once were his so-called friends, none of those people have put a single note, a single letter together. All these letters are from people who rely on Puff and his money.

Starting point is 00:29:36 Let's just start with La Wanda, aka Lala Lane. La Wanda Lala Lane, a close friend of Kim Porter, who has lived with Sean Combs for four years to help raise his children, writes that Combs is a shining example of black excellence. Lane says she is in awe of Combs' success in his business ventures pointing out that he is the first black man to have a fragrance line selling nearly a million bottles a week. Okay, well, that just rub me the wrong way, and I'll tell you why. Just because you have money does not mean you are above the law. Do you really think to you, Trey Lovell, you're the veteran defense attorney, that the judge cares that Sean Combs has sold a million dollars of perfume? No. Judge doesn't care.

Starting point is 00:30:22 He's going to look at the facts of the case of conviction, what he was convicted of. He's going to look at other factors and come up with a sentence. I mean, you know, what's outside the courtroom, they don't care about. We're looking at, look at this guy, has he been rehabilitated anyway? you know, what have the conditions, be like, what can he do if he does get out, it can be positive, and what is the crime he's convicted of? That's going to be the limitations the judges to look at. I mean, in my mind, to you, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, you're the former warden at MDC, all of that commercial success comes as had to me, puts an even greater burden on him to do the right thing, to work with charity, to give money, to help people that are less powerful or less kind of. that he has, that he is. I've never heard anything about that. And he is claiming the reason

Starting point is 00:31:16 he should be let out this, um, Luanda Lane, who's basically living off him, says he has sold a million bottles of perfume. And that's why he should get out. Tell me something good. Tell me about volunteer work. Tell me about what a great dad you are. Not how you are off in some hotel having a freak off while your children were at home with the babysitter. I mean, that is what would matter to me. And I wholeheartedly agree with you, Nancy. First of all, inmates aren't allowed, they shouldn't be allowed to run a business while they're behind bars.

Starting point is 00:31:53 And if he was truly humble, he would say, I've been convicted of these crimes, I understand that I need to make some changes in my life, and I'm going to be humble and judge whatever you see fit to, and sentenced me. I will accept, though, I will accept that sentence, and I will use this time to make myself better, so that way when I get out, I'm a better man, I'm a better father, and I'm going to do community work to make sure that there is no other Sean Combs after me, other than

Starting point is 00:32:26 the good parts of myself. But everything is about complaining. It's about the food. It's about somebody's putting something in the food. It's complaining about being on suicide watch, and this. stand the other, at the end of the day, he needs to humble himself, except whatever sentence comes his way. And at that point, when he gets his release date, he'll know what he needs to do to better himself so he can be a better father, a better citizen, and so that others who aspire

Starting point is 00:32:56 to live the life that he's lived can live it within a way and a framework that doesn't cause damage and harm because the real victims here are the people that he harmed, his staff, and ultimately his children as well. So, uh, but we'll see. We'll see next Friday, uh, what shakes out. At this hour, Sean Cones, aka Ditty, AKA Puffy, aka Puff, aka Puff Daddy, most recently, AKA Puff Daddy, most recently, AKA Love says he's on suicide watch and he's sick of jail food. And therefore, he should walk free on time. served. Rob Shooter, we are hearing about how Sean comes is a changed man. Okay? Why can't he

Starting point is 00:33:41 be a changed man and do his jail time? I want you to watch this, shooter. It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in your life. Sometimes you've got to do that. I was fucked up. I mean, I hit rock bottom but I make no excuses. My behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full responsibility for my actions in that video.

Starting point is 00:34:13 I'm disgusted. I was disgusted then when I did it. I'm disgusted now. I went and I sought out professional help. I had to go into therapy. I'm going to rehab. Wow. Second verse, same as the first. Didn't he just say that? He was so disgusted at beating Cassie Ventura, when it was caught on video, that he did it again. He did it again and again and again. He was so disgusted with himself. Ew. Then he kept having freak off after freak off after freak off. One civil suit after the next, after the next. A lady saying they were drugged and raped. his freak-off parties, but he just kept doing it, what, out of self-loathing?

Starting point is 00:35:05 I don't think so. And now he's trying the same old shoe on the other foot. Same thing. You're right, Nancy. He's doing this again, arguably, because he thinks it works. He thinks this will get him off. And I'm afraid to say, Nancy, it might. We don't know.

Starting point is 00:35:23 We've already been very disappointed with one of these verdicts. And so I'm hoping we're not disappointed again. is an incredibly smart marketer PR guy, and he knows that this sort of stuff works. He's done it before Nancy. He's doing it a day. And so that's why we're seeing this. I don't think he's a changed man. I think he's a court man.

Starting point is 00:35:44 This is a man who has been caught. And suddenly now, suddenly he changes. We know better than it. You know, and another thing, they're not mutually exclusive. To you, Trey Lovell, you've gotten plenty of guys out of jail. on more serious counts than this, but isn't it true? You can be a changed person while you're in jail doing your hard time, right? You don't have to get out and get back at the Met Gala to be a changed man. And how many times is he going to use the same whole thing? I'm sorry, I'm a changed man.

Starting point is 00:36:22 I found the Lord. No offense, Lord. And how many times are people going to believe it? You think think this judge hasn't heard this song and dance before from every inmate that comes in front of him? No, you're absolutely right. The judge is going to take this with a grain of salt. But these are the things that he has to establish take advantage of possibly getting a lenient sentence. You know, the fact that he is a changed man as shown by being incarcerated with what is he done. He's helped other inmates. He stopped drinking. He's now wants to educate people. and he will continue that on board.

Starting point is 00:37:00 Now, whether or not we believe that, and it's very convenient to say that, that's what he's got to say. That's what the judge has to hold his hands on to try to get the sense that he wants. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. As we go to air tonight, Sean Combs, claiming he can't wait for sentencing.

Starting point is 00:37:28 He wants an emergency hearing right now that he claims he is on suicide watch and he doesn't like the food. Okay, I'll tell you what he doesn't like. He doesn't like having people at his beck and call and his life is different. For instance, speaking of the food, listen. You could do it, you could be wet and want.

Starting point is 00:37:51 You could be eating mango too with the ocean as your back yard. I ain't special. I just wanted it. I want it bad, you feel me? And I'm not going to allow myself to not have mango. So I hustle the heart, you know what I'm doing? You know what I'm doing? My way.

Starting point is 00:38:10 No, baby. I mean, really. That's from Sean Combs, did he's interesting. Instagram. Okay, there you go, shooter. He demands his fresh mango and he ain't getting it. He wants out of jail. Help me out. Natsy, I love it when you do that. You're absolutely right. He wants his life back. Who wouldn't want that life of Did he, that life of a superstar? He, he's demanding. He knows what he wants. He's not getting it and he's throwing a little temper tantrum. But I should shouldn't point out.

Starting point is 00:38:59 We're not going to want to hear it. It often works for him, Nancy. This is a man who has not changed his ways because he has been rewarded for bad behavior. The more ridiculous the videos are that he has posted in the past, the more likes he gets, the more people he gets talking about him.

Starting point is 00:39:16 So I think it's unrealistic to expect this man to change now or ever. Joining me, Lauren Conlon, star, of pop crime TV. Lauren, he's also, they're claiming, speaking of fresh mango, did the food's really bad at MDC? Yes, the food is awful. He doesn't like it.

Starting point is 00:39:35 At one point, there were reports that he was on some kind of food strike. He's also said there are maggots everywhere. I mean, look, what do you expect? You are in federal jail in Brooklyn, New York. It's not going to be the four seasons. You know, let's take that up with the former warden at the MDC, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks. Okay. MDC. He doesn't like the food. Thoughts? Look, when you're trying to feed 3,000 people, the same meal, the taste is not going to be the same.

Starting point is 00:40:09 The quality is not going to be the same. And at the end of the day, it's jail. You know, the food is supposed to be paddleable and edible. An executive staff member is charged with eating, sampling one meal every single day to make sure it's edible. it's not going to be five star it's not going to be some taste like a chef that he's had over the years it's not going to taste like that

Starting point is 00:40:35 so that's unfortunate but that's jail and if you don't want to eat jailhouse. That's why you don't have free coughs with unconscious women and that's why you don't transport sex workers across state lines which is a crime

Starting point is 00:40:51 so you don't have to eat jail food okay hold on does this ring a bell to you lunch menu, scrambled eggs, chicken wraps, baked chicken, beef tacos. It goes on and on. That sounds pretty good to me. Rice, green beans, dinner, chili mac, Salisbury steak. Ooh, I'd like some Salisbury steak tonight, but I don't have that. I have to cook.

Starting point is 00:41:12 Chicken fried rice. Weekends, comfort food, cheese pizza, spinach. What? What? That doesn't sound bad to me. What about it, Hendricks? It's, again, if that's the national menu, that's what all they make to. eat in federal prison all across the country.

Starting point is 00:41:28 Again, it's not the best quality. No, it probably tastes a little less than what the schoolhouse square pizza we were getting public schools years ago. But that's just the way it is. Like you just said, Nancy, if you don't want to eat prison food, don't do prison things to get you there to be in the situation that you're in. Prison things. I like the way you said that.

Starting point is 00:41:50 That sounds like something Trey Lovell would say prison things. You mean rape. and transporting sex workers across state lines, those prison things. Another thing, another argument the defense is making is that he really didn't transport sex workers across state line to have sex with them because most of the time he sat on the sides wearing a burqa and didn't actually have sex with the women himself. And I think we all know why he stayed under a burqa. But that said, to you, Rob Shooter, Sean Combs doesn't wait to jail food.

Starting point is 00:42:29 I don't want walkie. Really? Suck it up, man. Suck it up. You're asking a man who has not had to suck it up for decades to suck it up. He's not changing, Nancy. This is who he is. He's going to complain.

Starting point is 00:42:44 He's going to bitch. He's going to moan. He's going to whine. And I fear he might even win. if you don't want to eat. Stop it. Go wash your mouth out with soap, young man. If the judge falls for this, you know what?

Starting point is 00:42:59 Who's not going to fall for it? It's Lynn Shaw. Sean Combs Diddy wants another chance. But oh, wait a minute. Listen at this, Lynn Shaw. Everybody get ready for a nuclear blast for Lynn Shaw. Watch this, Lynn. I watched them both fire their guns.

Starting point is 00:43:13 I watched them. I got hit right here in my nose, in between my eyes, which means I'm facing directly at you. The same way you're sure that I have on a green shirt, I'm certain that he shot me. Now, was he aiming at me? Was I, was I the object of his fire? Absolutely not.

Starting point is 00:43:32 I should not have been because I didn't do anything to him. That's from the art of dialogue, and that is a shooting victim at the nightclub, identifying Sean Combs as shooting her. But guess what? He walked free and decided to be a changed man. Wait a minute, yeah, there's another case. Listen.

Starting point is 00:43:48 Dwayne Keefey D. Davis claims credit for Tupac's murder on BET and in his memoir. He says Puffy Combs wanted Knight and Tupac's heads after their disc track hit him up. When Davis offers to carry out the hits, Combs agrees to pay him $1 million. According to Davis, Eric Zip Martin, a New York drug dealer, suggests they have the perfect opportunity to carry out Puffy's hit and even provides the gun. Davis, Anderson, Terrence Brown, and DeAndre Smith stake out the club where Shakur, is performing, but Tupac's a no-show, and the Crips abandon the plan. Driving down the strip, they spot night and Tupac stopped in traffic. Brown flips a U-turn in their white Cadillac.

Starting point is 00:44:28 Davis passes Anderson the gun, and Anderson leans over Smith to shoot Tupac. Biggie ever involved in any of these conversations about hitting Tupac? There's always just a bullpuck and said, this is all puppy you do it. Witness testimony that Sean Combs ordered a million-dollar hit on Tupac Shakur. and once again there he is out of jail how many chances does one guy get i don't care how many millions of bottles of perfume he sold why are we talking about dirty ditty and his bottles of perfume because those days are over because i predict i don't care when he gets out and he probably will that's the reality of what's going on here with the justice system uh he's not going to be welcomed back in my opinion

Starting point is 00:45:13 into his world of vodka's and perfumes and clothing lines and things like that. But I want to remind everybody about this Mango Man. We have true victims, survivors of his, for decades of his, his abuse that he's gotten away with. And you know what? They're right now shaking in their boots. They're scared. They're scared because they know that he seeks, you know, retribution. They're scared.

Starting point is 00:45:35 They don't have the power and the money to fight him. And I guarantee, I'm in New York City. There's been a lot over the decades about him, simmering underneath. we have worked with victims that worked with him years ago through the decades as well who reported things to us. Do I have proof? No, they reported things to us at the Warriors. And you know what?

Starting point is 00:45:53 I'm worried about them. I'm not worried about him and his pretend maggots in his food. And this is that one in four kids in America go to bed hungry every night. So you know what? I'm worried about these victims, probably in the thousands if the numbers were truly to be told from all of his freakoffs and abuses over the years as he marched around, strutted around town and around the world. and he's a global, I don't know what, entrepreneur.

Starting point is 00:46:14 I'm worried about the people. We're not talking about them. Who's giving them the services, the psychological services they need? Their trauma. I'm going to keep saying the word trauma. People do not understand trauma, what it is and what he has done. And shame on him, trauma for his victims. He's got these daughters.

Starting point is 00:46:32 You can't tell me in the back of their mind somehow and as they get older, the trauma that's going to come out. This is their father and things are on video. complete trauma all around. He's got a mother. Where's the shame in this guy? We have never seen him humble once. And you know what?

Starting point is 00:46:49 Money talks and crime walks. And now off ditty and on to a real American hero. Officer Alex Roberts, Houston PD, killed in the line of duty, leaving behind grieving parents. American hero officer Alex Roberts. Nancy Gray signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast.

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