Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DIDDY TRIAL SCORE BOARD: WINNERS V. LOSERS, STARS V. SCARS

Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. State versus Sean Combs, the Diddy Trial Scoreboard. Winners versus losers. Stars vs Scars. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. If somehow he pulls out a not guilty verdict, he is going to be hell on wheels.

Starting point is 00:00:30 Okay, I don't like when you say if he's found not guilty, he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm totally getting my car car bombed like Kid Cudi. Yeah, there's no coming back from the itty bitty Diddy and the Diddy wand. I've got them all here, yeah. He's gonna come after me. Straight out to Tisa Tales, joining us at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Sean Combs is being tried on a multi-count federal indictment.

Starting point is 00:00:56 Tisa, the star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa, what is the latest? Nancy, in one of the most shocking turn of events, court was cancelled today. Why you might ask? A third juror mysteriously came down with vertigo and had to turn around. Again, nothing makes sense as to Sean Diddy's case and the government is this close to resting their case.

Starting point is 00:01:18 Brendan Paul is this close to testifying and putting the final screws in on Diddy's whole WICO operation. And also, people are saying that he's going to pull KK into the fray too. Yes, Diddy's Jeffrey Epstein will have his the same Maxwell named Christina Quorum. But why is this so odd? Because first of all, yes, I thought the same thing you did. Where was Diddy when this happened? That's right. He's locked up in the MDC. However, you couldn't write this. Diddy's team in an astonishing move. The judge asked, does anybody have any objection to the juror coming back on Friday? The prosecution? No objection, your honor. Diddy? Well, Ayana, we need to talk to our client. We all said, what do you need to talk about? The juror has assured the judge that he will be fine from his vertical and be back Friday morning.

Starting point is 00:02:08 Diddy's team then confirmed and said they wanted a sidebar because they have further questions about medical. Now why is this so important? Well, think about it. Diddy has been trying his best to make a connection with jurors. He wanted juror number six to stay. He wants juror number seven out. I think it's fair to assume that he does not have that special connection with juror number seven. However, if they can get this third juror out on medical grounds, because it's almost a home stretch, or they get sick again, who knows? Then this alternate, and whoever it is, did he must also think he has a special connection with. He can pull that alternate down and he thinks he can increase his chances if not for a not guilty verdict because let's be real that's not happening.

Starting point is 00:02:52 But pull it in so that he can actually get this mistrial that he has been begging and waiting or at the very least have better grounds for an appeal. You guys the judge didn't tell us much. So why is this so shocking? Well for one, Judge Aron has yet to tell us what's going on with juror number seven. Does he think just because we have a sick day, and again I'll take a sick day, snow day,

Starting point is 00:03:17 anyway I can get it, that we do not have questions? Again, Judge Aron has been exceedingly fair. He is expected to rule on juror number seven on Friday. That's if this mysterious, sick juror actually comes in. Again, Diddy has made it very clear who he thinks he has a special connection with, and today he put the wheels in motion to try to find some medical ground to strike this juror out and to pull this alternate that Diddy has his eyes set on. Again, a lot of court intrigue, a lot going on.

Starting point is 00:03:50 We hope the juror is okay, but for right now we are waiting in baited breath for what the judge decides on juror number seven. And if Diddy's team was able to find a medical excuse to dismiss this third juror and pull in that alternate that Diddy has been making googly eyes at. Joining us now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Lauren Cullen, investigative reporter and star of Pop Crime TV on YouTube. Lauren, thank you for being with us. Witness after witness, excruciating detail after excruciating detail, multiple motions from this trial by the defense.

Starting point is 00:04:31 What do you make of it? Yes, I think I speak for everyone here. We are very relieved to be moving on and having the defense start their case in chief. I think a lot of people are anxious for the witness list as well. We've already learned of a couple of witnesses, and I believe the first witness will be a bad boy employee who is in charge of HR. The government has inferred numerous times

Starting point is 00:04:56 that the bad boy HR department wasn't necessarily quote unquote real, that they just did more of Sean Combs' bidding. So I guess we'll wait and see when this person takes the stand. And Nancy, there seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes as well. The judge has been not super happy with the defense and the government as information has seemed to be leaked to the press. I mean, it's been never a dull moment here.

Starting point is 00:05:25 You know, trials are like that. Joining me, Philip Dubay, high profile lawyer out of LA, he's tried a lot of cases. Dubay, every trial is like a very unique animal. It reminds me of Harry Potter toward the end, where each person was going to do battle with a dragon and you basically reach into a bag and you pull out a miniature live dragon. You don't know which one you're going to get and they're all lethal and deadly.

Starting point is 00:05:55 You never know which way a trial is going to go. You really don't know what the witness is going to say. Who could have predicted a leak? Who could have predicted all the motions for mistrial, who could have predicted Sean Combs getting reprimand and threatened to be thrown out of the courtroom, jurors getting thrown off. Every case is like this. There's no predictability when you go to trial. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:06:18 And frankly, the defense is not even predictable. I cannot tell you, Nancy, how many times in my career why I've had to develop a defense mid-trial because a lot of times the strategy is based on how the evidence is presented and how it unfolds against the client. So you have door number one, door number two, and door number three ready to go, depending on how everything is presented.

Starting point is 00:06:40 And even then you can still lose or the jury may throw you a bone and find reasonable doubt. I think what you meant to say, Philip Dubay, is that evidence starts pouring from the witness stand during the state's case and you look at your client like, that is nothing like what you told me really happened. And so you have to basically step back and do a Hail Mary. You have to change your trial strategy. And I've seen the defense changing their trial strategy during this case. Remember when Brian Still started cross-examining one of the alleged victims in a very genial manner. I think it was Mia and Sean Combs was

Starting point is 00:07:26 twisting and turning in his seat, gnashing his teeth and twisting his tail. And suddenly after a break, Brian Steele came at the witness like a steamroller, just tearing her to shreds. So the trial strategy had to change. Yeah, but I got to tell you, you got to be very careful because you don't wanna turn every witness into a trip wire. You turn that courtroom into an ultimate landmine and you don't wanna upset the jury. The practical reality of it is, Nancy,

Starting point is 00:07:56 that defense counsel has all discovery ahead of trial. They know exactly what all the witness statements are, what they intend to say. So it's really no surprise. The real question is, are the witnesses gonna stick to that discovery script? And oftentimes they say stuff that was not memorialized in the narratives prepared by the cops.

Starting point is 00:08:16 So you have to kind of learn to quickly pivot. And depending on what they say and how quickly you pivot, you might have to change your strategy or overall tactic and maybe even put the client on the stand to rebut it all. Lauren Collin joining us at the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Lauren Collin, a rep from the HR department of Bad Boy Productions, correct? Correct, Nancy.

Starting point is 00:08:39 Okay, I don't know that I would, Philip Dubay, start my case off. Normally you try to start with a bam, right? And then at the end, you want to start hard and finish hard. Everybody, Philip DuBey, hates HR. I mean, is there anybody on the panel that likes HR? Human Resources. When you see the human resources lady coming down the hall everybody goes, oh no, who did what wrong now? Somebody did.

Starting point is 00:09:10 So, DuBey, I don't know. Calling HR as a star witness, is that wise? And plus an HR witness from Bad Boy Records who's been authorizing the, let's say, extortion payment. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lauren Conlon and Sydney Summer. The extortion payment to Cassie Ventura's mother, where they won a 20 grand, and the quid pro quo was not leaking orgy videos, freak off videos of their daughter, who was just starting in her music career. That was through bad boy records all the cash that flowed through them that the sex workers were paid with the buying their drugs by bad boy employees I mean

Starting point is 00:09:57 you're putting up a bad boy HR person that cross-examination, ouch! I mean, is that the way to kick a case off, Dubay, as one of your star witnesses? Of course it is. One of the best-kept secrets about HR in every corporation, in every business throughout America is they're there to protect the company. They don't really care about employee interests. As a practical matter, they do damage control, risk management, and they try to assess what if anything that's getting reported to them or what if anything they've observed could put the company at risk of liability. So they're not going to say or do anything that could harm the company because that's

Starting point is 00:10:38 where their loyalty lies. Okay. You're still pretending that this is a company instead of Sean Combs' alter ego. To Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us, renowned psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction, author of Dealbreakers, you can see her on Peacock, and find her at drbethanymarshall.com. Why does everybody hate HR? You know, Nancy, most of my patients who come in with major depressive disorder or sudden psychiatric symptoms, often they've gotten into trouble with their companies

Starting point is 00:11:06 and HR has come in and confronted them. And Philip Dubé is right, HR is always on the side of the company. Although as you pointed out, what company, right? So this is basically HR doing P. Diddy's bidding, but it's not a good idea. It's not a good look when you see HR coming down the hall. And also, when you get in trouble with HR, everybody else knows about it. And whenever I submit insurance claims, my patients' first question is, are they going to find out about this in HR? They're terrified of HR. And you know, what's so interesting, I don't know, interesting is the right word.

Starting point is 00:11:42 Let me say sham. Lynn Shaw joining me, founder or executive director, Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse of girls and women. Really? The head of HR in a sex trafficking case? Where was HR when all of this was happening? Yeah, HR equals hell racket.

Starting point is 00:12:05 Exactly, Nancy. Where were they when, in my opinion, this is nothing more than this bad boy worldwide entertainment production company with their names splattered all over this skyscraper down the street for me here in New York was doing all these things to these victims, alleged victims and these women. Where were they to step in and say, hey, you know, if this was even a legitimate business, which I don't think it was at all, where you can't do this dirty ditty because this will affect business.

Starting point is 00:12:37 And I use that loosely business. You better stop with these women. You better clean up your act. Nobody did anything. This is such a criminal enterprise. You better stop with these women. You better clean up your act. Nobody did anything. This is such a criminal enterprise. I can clearly see it. It is the playbook. Vulnerable people, powerful people over less fortunate people.

Starting point is 00:12:55 So this hell racket equals HR is a big zero. I bet you there was no office, no HR, no anything. You had one or two people that were there to protect dirty ddy and the enterprise, the criminal enterprise, in my opinion. So let's put the focus back on victims and survivors of this dirty, diddy and all victims and survivors of sexual exploitation. Where's the HR companies for all of them? They do not exist. Dirty, diddy, done going down the hell racket. No HR in that in that big building down the street.

Starting point is 00:13:26 And they will be riding HR's tailpipe straight on the way to hell. To Lauren Collin joining me outside the courthouse, one of the final witnesses for the state special agent, DeLisa Penland. All right? Now, Penland was in charge of a lot of documents and records. And Penland was used to tie it all together. Explain the significance of one of the state's last witnesses. What we saw, Nancy, from Special Agent Penland was charts and graphs and records,

Starting point is 00:14:01 which were essentially proof of flight for escort. We saw Jules Theodore. We saw a flight for him from LA to New York City. And then we saw a London hotel invoice and then text messages corresponding, Cassie Ventura corresponding with Jules Theodore. In addition, we also saw Clayton Howard, who was another escort, his flight records, his hotel records, and other correspondences between

Starting point is 00:14:31 he and Cassie Ventura. And we also saw Sean Combs' bank records and Amex bills, which were paid with these specific banks matching up to all of these charts and graphs. And it was very, very detailed. And then I think the biggest thing of the morning with this special agent testimony was the correspondences and communications from March 5th, 2016 to March 7th, 2016, which was the the morning of Cassie's beating all the way up until he finally got the tape from the security guard. So we saw all of the, I want to say upwards of a hundred missed calls that Sean Combs made to Cassie that day, which then escalated to Christina Corum calling Cassie and then

Starting point is 00:15:17 Christina Corum corresponding with another assistant to try to get this video all the way up until Eddie Garcia was corresponding with Sean Combs. And then we saw the premiere, the perfect match premiere photo of Cassie Ventura, which happened the very next day when she had the bruised eye and the busted lip. So they put all of this together for us. However, Kenny Garagos did point out a couple of things that were wrong on the chart. She pointed out a date where Cassie Ventura wasn't actually in the country. She was in South Africa and

Starting point is 00:15:50 they had Cassie kind of matching up to this one hotel. But overall it was a very important summary witness because we saw all of the records that go directly with the indictment. Special Agent Alssa Pendlin summary chart regarding meetings Cassie Ventura attended has 71 separate entries and Pendlin testified the chart only includes entries for meetings that have associated video footage. Cassie previously testified it was impossible to determine exactly how many freak offs she endured, but estimated hundreds. Pendlin is

Starting point is 00:16:24 set to go over a similar chart regarding Combs' meetings with Jane next. Diddy Stakes exhibit triple X. Super disgusting. The jury is watching you butt naked, or maybe he had a burka on. The freak-off, hotel night, king night, most of us call it sex trafficking caught on video.

Starting point is 00:16:43 So, Lauren Conlon. The defense at the beginning said their case would last weeks, a month. And now they just drop a bomb in the courtroom saying, oh yeah, it's really only going to be three or four days. What do you anticipate the defense has in store for the jury? Nancy, I feel like what we're going to see is people from his different entities, different companies who are going to get on a stand and really try to legitimize everything. I also feel like he may have a handful of character witnesses as well. Perhaps they'll be an expert to combat Dr. Dawn Hughes and her testimony.

Starting point is 00:17:23 That's what I'm thinking so far. The problem with character witnesses is Lauren Conlon, and you're right. He needs a character redo. Once the defense brings on good character, the state can then bring on bad character, which typically is not allowed in a criminal case because the claim by the defense is the defendant will be tried on their bad reputation and therefore the state is not allowed to bring that in on its own. Think of a vampire, Lauren Conlin.

Starting point is 00:17:54 You have to invite it across the threshold before it sucks your blood and you die. Same thing with bad character evidence. You can't just bring it on just because you know the defendant has been convicted before. You have to either use it as a similar transaction to prove your case in chief or wait, lie and wait for the defense to say one word about good character and by doing that they open the door and the state can step over the threshold and bomb the defense with bad character IE convictions. So are they willing to risk that?

Starting point is 00:18:36 But you did say you think that we have in store witnesses to legitimize, legitimize what? His businesses, Combs Enterprise, Bad Boy Records, everything that we've seen so far, I do feel like we're going to see people that worked for him who had no idea what was going on behind closed doors, what was going on at night, and we actually got a taste of this from the CFO that the government brought on. This was a man that went to Harvard, extremely polished, and they kind of used him to go through some of the money

Starting point is 00:19:09 that was transferred from Cassie's parents to Bad Boy. And this CFO kind of said, yeah, that's what it says, but I had no idea what was going on. So I actually feel like there's gonna be more people like him just not testifying about anything nefarious just saying that yeah, everything was legitimate this LLC this person and this company they had a huge share in this so mr. Palms didn't have all the control here. He was actually just a fraction of Having control over this company. I mean

Starting point is 00:19:43 I mean, listen, this is what we've heard. Business records, why don't you just hand over the IRS returns for the last 10 years and be done with it. What does that have to do with forced orgies and sex trafficking? Business records, my rear end, what are you talking about, woman? I totally understand what you're saying, but this is what I feel like is going to happen based on the testimony of this one CFO. I felt like that actually went well for the defense. And so they're running from there saying, okay, we need to get more guys like this who

Starting point is 00:20:14 will sit here and say, Diddy did not have a hundred percent control of all of these different entities. He only had a fraction of control. So how, how could he be responsible of paying all this money illegally, you know, through this company when... I don't think that the jury cares about who had control of all the entities. I think they're concerned about who had control

Starting point is 00:20:36 of what's in his pants and what is in the pants of the sex workers and what they were doing against the will of the sex workers and what they were doing against the will of the victims. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, hold on. Lauren Conlon, how long do you believe, now remember, they're lying.

Starting point is 00:21:03 How long, you're gonna have to throw out anything they said. How long do you believe the defense case is going to go? How many days? My best guess would be about a week and a half. Oh, so you're giving them 78 days of testimony. I am only because I'm not a betting person, but I guarantee it'll be less than that. I only say this because things seem to come up every day and then we get behind because these things come up again Juror issues issues with evidence the defense wanting a mistrial I mean things come up and we get behind and we end up losing hours in the courtroom at times

Starting point is 00:21:36 So that's why I'm giving them a little bit of a grace period here. Okay. You know what? You're right Lauren Collin You're absolutely right. Okay, so you're saying seven to eight days due to delays in the courtroom, not because they're putting up eight days' worth of testimony and evidence. Next big question, will Combs override his lawyers, because you know, he really does know everything in his mind, and take the stand? Will Combs take the stand, Lauren Conlon? No way, Nancy. And I say this because specifically about the Kid Cudi incident, the alleged arson and

Starting point is 00:22:16 the alleged trespassing, I feel like generally and intellectually we all know that he was responsible. However, on paper and legally they can't exactly prove it, so there is some doubt there. I feel like if he was to get up on the stand, they could directly ask him about this, and he can't perjure himself. You know, that was the single best move that my old co-anchor, God rest his soul, Johnny Cochran ever made, was somehow beating down O. OJ Simpson so he didn't take the stand. But oh, it was quite the production. When the defense rested, Simpson was like, I want to take the stand, but they're not letting me. Those a-holes aren't letting me.

Starting point is 00:22:59 So I'm sure Consel put on a big show in the courtroom and act like, I really want to, I do, I do, but she won't let me, as opposed to idiot, Alex Murdoch, his lawyers told him not to take the stand and he took it and got convicted. So I am willing to bet that Bryan Steele and Tinny Garagos, both of them great lawyers, will sit on combs and keep him physically from taking the stand.

Starting point is 00:23:32 He did a voodoo ritual. And he's probably doing blood ritual sacrifices on the rats and brooches in his jail cell. You started this, Teas Tales, not me. Did he pull the bird from the cage and threw it into the air? It was dead. The poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange for not guilty.

Starting point is 00:23:47 It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull this one out of his you-know-where. It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse for the state to put up its case. What does the defense hold? Well, for one thing, what about the witnesses the state didn't call, specifically, Sean Combs, Chief of Staff? I guess he stole that phrase from the White House. I'm talking about Christina Corum.

Starting point is 00:24:16 Listen. Sean Diddy Combs is Chief of Staff. Christina Corum has been accused of numerous atrocities, from forcing employees to carry drugs or recruit women for freak-offs, to standing witness to a gang rape after trying to place an IUD in the victim. Quorum, whom Combs has referred to as his soul sister and right hand, worked for the mogul for more than a decade after previous roles at Paramount Pictures and Burberry. The two were previously close, with Combs posting a long birthday

Starting point is 00:24:45 message for Quorum on Instagram. Wow. Okay. That was a bombshell. Now, let me just state, Christina Quorum denies everything. But isn't it true, Sydney Sumner, the state made a comment in open court where they referred to Christina Corum as an unnamed co-defendant. Didn't that happen? Is that how they referred to her? An unnamed co-conspirator, Nancy, and that was the comment that led everyone to believe that we would see Corum testifying for the government, but it seems like she won't take the stand to prove their case. Now most interesting to me, Nancy, and Special Agent Penland's testimony

Starting point is 00:25:32 going over all of these text messages, records, it has finally been proven that Christina Coram knew that escorts were being invited to these hotel nights. We've had previous assistants testify that Coram just told them the hotel nights were Cone's private time with women, but we now know that she was fully aware that there were escorts going to those rooms and Cone's assistants and bodyguards were providing cash for him to pay for those escorts.

Starting point is 00:26:05 So those are the texts that Homeland Security Special Agent Penlon rounded up and corralled and presented to the jury right near the end of the state's case. And that's what I'm talking about. For instance, when you put a case to the grand jury, right, hearsay is allowed in the grand jury, and the most effective way to do that and direct is to put on your lead investigator. Since hearsay is allowed, the lead investigator can testify to what this one said, what that one said, all the search warrants, all of the wiretaps, all the evidence and one fell swoop of a witness. Okay, that's what Penland did. Penland brought it all together with

Starting point is 00:26:57 texts, emails, documents that Sydney Summers talking about to show to the jury what was really happening. That may be one of the reasons out to Philip Dubay that they didn't bring on Coram, Christina Coram, the Chief of Staff, the sole sister, because why allow her on the stand when the defense would then have her on cross? And that would be basically Sean Combs testifying. And every once in a while she'd go, yes, that's right, that's right, that's right, to Agnifilo or Steele or Tinney, Gyragos. So why risk that cross examination where Corb can explain everything away as best as

Starting point is 00:27:47 she can, when you can get the same damning evidence in through her texts and emails? They can't be cross-examined, right? It was brilliantly charged. When you look at the indictment, you have all these people who are named as unindicted co-conspirators. So what that lands the prosecution without running afoul of that Crawford hearsay rule, the U.S. Supreme Court case, is that statements made by co-conspirators can come into evidence without violating due process and the federal rules against hearsay. So yes, they can come in for their truth frankly, not even as an exception.

Starting point is 00:28:27 And if the defense feels that clarification or further explanation is needed, they can put her on. $46,786. $46,786 for what? Damage to the penthouse suite at the Intercontinental Hotel on Times Square. That number is ridiculous, Nancy. That's a down payment for a home for some people and 50k on damages to a penthouse for one stay and that's back in 2012. So extremely concerning. What could he have possibly done to this room? We know baby oil was used, lube, candle wax was usually everywhere, but I just can't even fathom how you possibly create

Starting point is 00:29:28 that much damage in a hotel room. ["Dreams and Reality"] Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Dr. Bethany Marshall, help me quickly. A $50,000 hotel damage bill to the penthouse suite in New York City? We heard within the last 72 hours that there was so much baby oil, there were actually two slip and falls in one day with the baby oil that when they saw combs coming in they check in ladies go quick quick quick there's add on a thousand dollars up front for the room damage they would

Starting point is 00:30:16 have to put out air fresheners glade is not going to fix that, okay? Uh-uh, you can put out candles all over, and they did, put candles all over that penthouse suite, and it is not gonna get rid of the stink that's gonna go down during those free coughs. So they would see Combs' auntie Rosalind like, quick, quick, quick, add the thousand dollars up front. A thousand dollars, this is quick, quick, add the thousand dollars up front. A thousand

Starting point is 00:30:45 dollars. This is nearly $47,000. That's not even the rental for the room. That's the damages after free call. We know, Nancy, it'd be interesting to see what their budget, the hotel's budget is up for decorating her room. So let's say it's $50,000 for the penthouse. They are really redoing, reconstructing, and redecorating that room. I would imagine they're pulling up the carpet, they're repainting, they're buying new furniture. You can't fix something like this, Nancy. And also it makes me think about not just the lube, but the instruments of violence that might have been in that room. Whips, maybe knives, maybe...

Starting point is 00:31:28 Don't make me laugh now. Some things never go away. They had to pay $500 for the curtains alone. What was done to one curtain? 500, what was on that curtain? Maybe someone was swinging from it. What about the fine art? What about the kitchens in those squeeze?

Starting point is 00:31:51 And then, does it ever really go away? Or do you need one of these ultrasonic germ cleaners? And then people will come into that penthouse the next day, or whenever it got cleaned again, and just sit down on those cushions having no idea they were sitting on top of freak-off germs. Well now Nancy it's going to be like selling a house where somebody died you just can't do it you know if if people know that somebody's been sick and died in a house they don't they don't want to purchase it now everybody knows about P. Diddy's hotel nights and freak-offs and where they happened.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Do you think those discerning clients are gonna wanna book a room at the penthouse at this hotel at the Intercontinental in New York City? Probably not. Merry freak-off Christmas. They're viewing battery. It's like eating a dirt sandwich. What is being done to these women?

Starting point is 00:32:43 Tours come to mind, freaky perv. Are they being sodomized? Are they being chained in compromising positions? Are they so out of it, they don't know what's happening to them? Are they being whipped? I just want to wash my mouth out with Listerine, with Lysol, with rubbing alcohol.

Starting point is 00:33:00 To Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us, renowned psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction. Speaking of Christina Corum, okay? I guarantee I know one person that would hold her just as liable, although she declares her innocence as Sean Combs. That's gonna be Lynn Shaw, and I want Lynn Shaw to hear this.

Starting point is 00:33:25 Maxwell will discuss sexual topics with the victim and undress and front the victim or be present for sex acts involving the minor victims and evidence. Maxwell's presence as a distilled woman helped with the victims at ease. As Maxwell and Epstein attended, this wounding process left the minor victims susceptible to sexual abuse. That abuse included sexualized massages during which the minor victim was fully or partially nude. These sexualized misogynists developed these sexual encounters for which Maxwell, in some instances, would present and participate.

Starting point is 00:34:14 That's Audrey Strauss. That is the US attorney for the Southern District of New York, and she is talking about Elaine Maxwell, who was the madam, the pimp for now deceased Jeffrey Epstein. Now the comparison between Christina Corum and Sean Combs has been made comparing to Yelaine Maxwell to Epstein And the girls, the victims that Audrey Strauss was describing were girls. Literally school girls. What effect did that have on the victims? Well, three of them have committed suicide. Most recently, Virginia Geffrey. Three, after living

Starting point is 00:35:09 through Jelaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and the sex abuse as young girls, they committed suicide. Three, three people committed suicide and then Epstein reportedly killed himself. Now, Christina Corum again, there you go. What are they smiling about? Nothing good. That's just like the crypt keeper smiling at you. Yeah, that can't mean anything good. You know, woman, button up your shirt.

Starting point is 00:35:44 She's behind bars right now. Christina Corum did not take the stand. And you gotta wonder why. So, Lynn Shaw, joining me, executive director and founder of Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex abuse and sex trafficking of women and girls. You know, even the devil has an assistant, that would be Beelzebub. Coram has not been indicted and she declares her innocence. What do you make of it?

Starting point is 00:36:17 Because based on what we heard right at the tail end of the state's case, she knew about all those sex workers, she knew exactly what was going on. What do I make of it? We don't have enough time for me to tell you what we make of it. First of all, we find with our work at the Warriors, there is always a woman involved as the right hand. Maybe sometimes not visible, she is always there.

Starting point is 00:36:38 She was always acting as that facilitator, as that big sister, especially with these very vulnerable girls and women, or that mother figure that they never had. And they know everything. And frankly, we never had any closure, in my opinion, with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. They tell us she's in prison. Who really knows where she is? Because I haven't seen any videos of her walking around the prison

Starting point is 00:37:00 backyard or playing basketball or any of that stuff. One never knows. We also know at the Warriors, and we have worked with a lot of Epstein victims, they are in a severe mental state. A lot of them now have reached out to me hearing about this dirty Diddy case, they are re-traumatized, re-victimized,

Starting point is 00:37:19 they feel like it's them, even though they may have had nothing to do with Diddy. So what I say about Christina Corm, and and I sitting here listening to all of this, you know what, they can't possibly let her get on the stand because she will just she's already proven to us. She knew about all this. So she'll have to answer questions. And I'm no lawyer, but they can't let her anywhere near that.

Starting point is 00:37:39 But you know what? In some way, shape or form, this woman, I don't know how she puts her head on the pillow at night. She put out a paragraph about a month or so ago. She knew nothing. You know what that is BS. She knew nothing. We have all these text messages. Women went to her for help. She did not do anything to help them. That's the dirty, ditty way, the King Knights and all that. So we have to do something with her afterwards. I don't know what can be done. Again, I'm not a lawyer. She knows everything. She knew everything and she did nothing. Shame on her not to help be done. Again, I'm not a lawyer. She knows everything. She knew everything. And she did nothing. Shame on her not to help these women.

Starting point is 00:38:08 Earlier, Lauren Conlon, who's joining us right now from the courthouse mentioned the possibility of character witnesses being brought in to help Sean Combs. Well, our friend Jimmy Kimmel had something to say about that. Kanye showed up to support his friend, did he? At which point the prosecution said,

Starting point is 00:38:27 we rest our case. We're at Character Witness. That from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel. Okay, bringing on Character Witnesses will absolutely misfire while Christina Corum didn't show up for court. Kanye did. I'm sure the defense dodged a bullet and they knew it when Kanye was forced to go in the overflow room. Philip DuBey. Can you imagine Kanye with that

Starting point is 00:38:56 nine hundred thousand dollar mouth full of titanium teeth drooling and dragging along Bianca Sensori, his naked wife with him into the courtroom and plopping down right behind Sean Combs. Mm, mm, mm. With character witnesses like that. Yeah, case closed, DuBae. Well, he's not testifying. He just went there to lend some support.

Starting point is 00:39:17 And I gotta tell you, out of all the trials I've done, Nancy, it is really rare for people to come to court and really stand in support. They don't even want to be associated with the charges, with the defendants who are on trial and they just kind of stay remote from all the proceeding. So I actually give him a lot of credit for making an appearance and at least sort of signaling to Diddy that he's standing by his side and hopefully they can be friends if and when he is ever acquitted or maybe even... I don't even know what you're talking about. At the jail. Friends?

Starting point is 00:39:52 What are they going to do? Braid each other's hair and skip down the lane holding hands? Friends? Okay, maybe they can be friends. Okay, you know what? hold on. I got another thing to throw at you. Another curve ball. And this is going at about a 98 MPH baller. Here we go. While we didn't see Coram, and thankfully for the defense, Kanye didn't plop down in the actual courtroom

Starting point is 00:40:20 in front of the jurors behind Combs, there have been fixtures in the courtroom. Combs has paraded his children in the courtroom during State's exhibit XXX through all the discussion of male sex workers, forced sex, beatings, you name it. And again, our legal expert Jimmy Kimmel is weighing in. His mother, sister, and three sons were in the courtroom listening to his ex talk about these orgies. Not the ideal take your family to work day.

Starting point is 00:40:56 That and before was from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel on ABC. I think he's right. What happened? Sidney Sumner, his children were in the courtroom on and off throughout some of the worst state's evidence. That's exactly right. Colm's daughters have been in the courtroom much less frequently than his sons, but at least two of his sons, his mother and his sister have been in the courtroom for all of the heinous evidence, including when Jane testified about the sick NBA role-play fantasy that Combs put her through where he was Magic Johnson. So they have been in for a lot, and I'm frankly surprised that they haven't excused themselves more

Starting point is 00:41:46 often. We are waiting as justice unfolds. And now we remember an American hero, Officer Crystal Rivera, Chicago PD, just 46, gunned down in the line of duty, survived by daughter Bella. American hero, Crystal Rivera. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.

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