Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DIDDY WATCH: CLOCK TICKING DOWN ON DIDDY HEARING IN JUST HOURS

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Sean 'Diddy' Combs, disgraced rap mogul, is denied bail after being acquitted on sex trafficking and racketeering charges, the most serious charges against him that could have landed him life in prison, and found guilty only of transportation to engage in prostitution.  Judge Arun Subramanian set a tentative sentencing date of Oct. 3 but is considering the defense’s request for it to be sooner at a virtual hearing scheduled for tomorrow afternoon. Last week after 'Diddy's' verdict, Judge Subramanian ruled from the bench that Combs is a risk to public safety and must remain behind bars until his sentencing. The judge cites substantial evidence presented during the trial alleging Combs' violent history involving former partners and employees. “It is impossible for the defendant to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that he poses no danger,” Subramanian said from the bench. Unless the judge rules in favor of the defense, Combs will spend months awaiting sentencing at a notoriously understaffed and violent Brooklyn jail, where the music mogul has called home for nearly ten months. Many of Combs' victims wrote the court pleading for the rap mogul to remain behind bars in fear for their lives and safety.  Follow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace for the latest on Sean 'Diddy' Combs' court hearings.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are on Diddy Watch. That's right. The clock is ticking down. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. That's right. We are on Diddy Watch. Straight out to Tisa Tales joining us.

Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa Tells what do we expect to go down in the courtroom tomorrow? Number one will Sean Combs make a star appearance in person or in court or will Sean Combs aka Diddy be on the big screen again? In other words remote video from the jail. Tessa tells, what are the expected arguments? What are we expecting tomorrow? Well, we are expecting Sean Diddy Combs to come into the courtroom once again

and make a mockery out of the legal system. This man is doing a victory lap. I don't know why, because at the end of the day, didn't he get all five charges? Absolutely not, but he has two serious charges that are sex crimes and are sex trafficking adjacent. Okay? But again, Diddy lives in delusion land and it seems like that delusion actually did work out.

Will he be in court tomorrow? What's his other option? To be in his jail cell with the rats and roaches awaiting his bail hearing? Sean Diddy Holmes can't wait to put on his Bill Cosby sweater, to stroll in there, to say love, to see his family clap like the head coach has just come to win the championship game. Now I will say one thing I do expect also, or at least I hope, I hope Sean Diddy Combs supporters act a full tomorrow. I hope they remind everyone and keep it in fresh everybody's mind

who this man is, who his supporters are, and what, if he is allowed on the street, will actually happen. Last time the courthouse was in pandemonium and had to get locked down. I hope that his supporters come out and embarrass him to send an important message to the judge about what this man is and what he stands for. But will he be there? Absolutely.

At least the rats and roaches in this cage are hoping so they can have a day off from his antics. Dr. DeWayne Hendrix is joining us. Former associate warden MDC Brooklyn, former senior warden, US Department of Justice, founder of a New Deal Light Foundation and author of Who Are You? See It, Say It, Seize It. Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, how does a video court appearance happen from behind bars? What, well Sean Combs needs studio lighting, makeup, hair.

In the Bureau of Prisons, as well as the corrections industry as a whole, it has become very commonplace for virtual remote hearings, especially after the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. These hearings are held in the visiting room area of the institution, and inmates are brought down about 15 to 20 minutes prior to the meeting starting and staff will test along with the court staff audio and visual to ensure that the meeting can start on time. These meetings happen, these virtual meetings happen weekly across the country.

And so there shouldn't be any issues with Mr. Combs upcoming hearing. Joining me now renowned defense attorney attorney Eric Faddis. What will the defense argument be? Okay, so at sentencing, Diddy's defense team needs to argue these two important factors. At every criminal sentencing,

a judge is gonna look at whether the defendant has a criminal history. The judge is also gonna look at the seriousness of the charges. Here, Diddy doesn't have a record. He doesn't have sort of this long rap sheet that could be concerning to a judge who's deciding what a sentence should be. His defense team needs to hammer on that. Additionally, looking at the seriousness of the charges, you know, interstate transportation for purposes

of prostitution, although problematic, is not the crime of the century. Diddy's defense team could style it as, hey, look, this is really a misdemeanor state-level prostitution conviction, and the only thing that made it a federal offense is the interstate transportation. It is not overly egregious, and the judge should not consider any unproved allegations that the jury rejected.

Sydney Sumner, joining us Crime Stories investigative reporter. Sydney, isn't it true that Sean Combs has already tampered with witnesses from behind bars? Well, witness tampering is really why Combs wasn't let out, leading up to trial in the first place. Several judges felt like there was no combination of conditions outside of jail that would prevent Combs from tampering with witnesses. And even behind bars, Combs was caught using other inmates' phone access codes so that he could contact unauthorized individuals, people that were blocked on his own phone access codes. And when he wasn't using another inmate's phone access code, he called his son and

then had his son loop in those unauthorized contacts on a third line. On top of that, prison security unearthed a reminder that Combs wrote to instruct a family member to find dirt on potential victims. And it goes even further when Dawn Richard filed her lawsuit alleging abuse during her time on making the band with Danity Kane. He contacted another member of that girl group 58 times in four days. We know from testimony that Combs also tried to contact Mia. He used a most trusted security guard, D Rock, to try and bribe her into silence.

And finally, we heard several phone calls to ex-girlfriend Jane during testimony. And this was right after Cassie's lawsuit. Prosecutors said that you could hear a pen scratching in the background taking notes. And apparently that was Christina Quorum feeding Combs what to say to Jane in an attempt to keep her from speaking with the authorities. Okay, Fattis, what do you have to say to that? Remember, the judge in the federal criminal case actually declined to allow a bond for that very reason because the judge was concerned that Diddy might go out and unduly influence witnesses in the federal criminal case. However, that case is done.

There are no more witnesses in that case. If there's any concern that Diddy might be tampering with or intimidating witnesses to other cases, the judges in those other cases have to handle that. Lynn Shaw, founder director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex trafficking on girls and women. What's your message to the judge, Lynn? Nancy, my message to the judge is that he go back and think about all those victims

and their impact statements, and even think about the victims we and their impact statements and even think about the victims we did not even hear from that he do this in the name of all victims of sex trafficking sexual abuse rape he keeps this in the back of his mind he keeps that Cassie video where she's being dragged down the hallway by her hoodie by her neck being kicked even when she's on the floor not moving. This is violence. I don't care how you slice it we all know it's violence. The judge himself when the jury came back and said no sex trafficking I hope he does relate

to everybody out there not just the victims of Sean dirty Diddy Combs but he did say to Diddy's lawyers when they were seeking bail, full throatedly violence, violence being the key word. So we're going to hope, we're going to pray that the judge gives Diddy time, time. And you know what, we're gonna pray that he does this in the name of all victims, of all survivors of sex trafficking,

because you know what? They're watching. Rob Schuter, what's your message to the judge? These two lesser crimes are still really major, major crimes, and he should be made to pay for both of them. You have witnessed firsthand who this guy is. He has been in your courtroom for six, seven weeks with hurt testimony, violence, threats, alleged kidnappings.

No, he isn't changed. He's empowered. He's feeling more powerful than he's ever felt before. And that power with Puffy, it doesn't just sit there under the surface. No, it bubbles up Nancy. It explodes. Thaddeus, what's your message to the judge? My message to the judge in the Diddy case is to not be swayed by the tides of public opinion. You know, in the beginning of the federal criminal case, Diddy was vilified.

He was cast as a complete monster. At the end of it, when he prevailed on the most serious charges, folks, some were touting him as a hero, that kind of thing. I think the judge needs to make sure that the sentence he is imposing is irrespective of any kind of social pressure or ideas about who Diddy is that come from a source other than inside that courtroom and what that judge witnessed. I think the judge needs to consider the lack of criminal history, the seriousness or perhaps non-seriousness of the convictions of which Diddy was convicted. And also, you know, what message this sentence might send to society, to alleged victims, to folks who are wrongly accused. All of those things are going to be front of mind for that judge. Straight back to Tisa Tales joining us.

Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa, what exactly is going to go down tomorrow in court? So for the plan is for the media to get up and we are going to assemble again. So here's the thing, Sean Diddy Combs' hearing is going to go down. Now the government, it's fine to have his bond hearing on October 2nd. Sources are saying that Diddy is desperate to get out of the MBC and go to Club Fed, or at least a cleaner, better one detention facility, okay? MBC is known for being cold, it's being dank, there's rats, roaches, who else is going on, okay?

So what do they expect? It is going to be a fight. Actually, people say it might be going on for hours, but the government is just gonna be sitting there with its hands folded, because Judge Aron has already told everybody what he thinks of Diddy. Now Diddy's team is expected to come out swinging. They already think that they conned the jury. I think they think that they can actually con Judge Aron, but if the past is indicative of any indication on what we can expect, it's going to be a tough uphill battle.

And again, he was not impressed with what did these people did to the courthouse last time. Now, what will it be? It will be on closed circuit streamed throughout the courthouse. Of course, there'll be the courtroom and it'll be streamed to the overflow room. We are expected, expecting Mark Agnifilio to put on his rocky suit, take those gloves and fight for his client, Satan incarnates justice.

Again, it's gonna be a show. Probably a very disgusting, disturbing show. Let's not forget that Mark Agnifilio had the nerve to suggest that what he did to Jane was provoked or self-defense. Let's see if Mark actually got a little bit more sense since last time he made those outlandish claims. However, yeah, I don't think so because one thing I can say about the Dream Team, they will keep doubling down and can you blame them because if it worked once, I'm sure they think it'll work again.

The Diddy Watch is in countdown. What will the judge do? Each side arguing its best for its client, for the defense, arguing for Sean Combs, for the state, arguing for the people, including the victims in this case. But how did we end up here? Sean Combs will spend no time behind bars and Sean Combs will spend life behind bars. It's all down to 12 jurors.

We are headed into a verdict watch here at Crime Stories. Now straight to Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Sumner. Sydney, the state is braced. Closing arguments going throughout the day. The state went five hours in closing arguments and they were withering. The jury making notes furiously and leaning forward in their seats. That's always a good sign, but you can't call this in the fifth inning. No, there's a long way to go. Sydney Sumner today. Defense closing arguments start at the beginning with Sean Combs walking into the courtroom. All Namaste. What happened? Well, Nancy,

we have heard reports that Diddy has been greeting his lawyers with a yoga studio-esque bow, clasps his hands together, gives them a little nod of respect as he greets them in the morning. Today is all about the defense. Pause, just stop right there. What, what, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What a yoga zen thing. What are you talking about? Well, Nancy, I don't know if you've ever been to a yoga class. I used to attend pretty often,

but you just, at the end of class, at the beginning of class, you put your hands together and you do a short little bow to everyone else in the classroom to show your respect for everyone. And that's exactly what Combs has been doing to all eight of his lawyers in the courtroom every morning when he comes to see them. Sydney, you cannot live in New York City in Manhattan and not be subjected to a yoga class, particularly a hot yoga class, the worst.

But what you're saying is like a Zen namaste oh okay you know what straight out to Lynn Shaw joining me executive director founder of Lynn's Warriors dedicated to ending sexploitation trafficking of women and girls you know namaste my rear end he can namaste my rear end. He can namaste his way all the way to the MDC. He wasn't all namaste in the middle of all these freak offs. You know how big of a stack they had to do an 800 number for all the women calling in claiming that they were victims of Sean Combs freak offs, king nights, hotel nights, whatever, whatever euphemism he wants to use.

These women claiming they were drugged in their drinks that they woke up covered in baby oil with their vaginas hurting and he's all, namaste, my rear end. What a slap in the face to all victims of any kind of sexual exploitation, abuse. I mean, this is horrific. And you know what? I'm putting my money on the jury that everybody can see right through this, this act of contrition, because this is horrific that he's allowed to walk into court and he's he's being all cute and calm.

And you know what? Yesterday I was saying I don't I don't want to call him the nicknames I've called him, Dirty Diddy and things like that. But today I want to go back to that because I am sick and tired of this. Who is protecting? Who is talking to? Who is giving advice counsel to these hundreds, as far as we know, right, you know, victims of his, probably thousands over the years. So, I'm just hoping that this playbook of his, this Dirty Diddy playbook, everybody's on to him, everybody's onto him. Everybody's sick of him. And you know what? We have to turn that focus and hope and hope and hope that victims, survivors, anybody watching this, this, he's turning it into a laugh, you know, a laugh stock fest here, you know, some kind of festival. This is a

court of law. He's supposed to be up for his life. Right. And the family and him and the lawyers singing, it's too much, Nancy. It's just too much. I know. Did you hear that yesterday, Dr. Bethany Marshall, you were with us last night when we learned that Agnifilo, the defense attorney, went on the mic and started singing, her name was Lola. He started singing Copacabana in a sex trafficking trial and it just threw me over the edge because I have dealt with rape victims. You know look around look around I'm looking around the studio at least one in four women had been sex assault victims. Think about that. Think about it. People you'd never suspect have been sex

assault victims. And he's singing Copa into the microphone. And now Sean Combs comes in and does the namaste. Really? He can chill out behind bars for the rest of his life for all I care. What's the dichotomy? What is this? Well, it's one more male and females do it too. Minimizing the severity of sex trafficking. Nancy, I don't think our nation or world really understands what sex trafficking is. This whole question that maybe the women consented

and that means they were in a relationship and not that they were coerced is so false when you think of the whole psychology of sex trafficking. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Simi Sumner, after all the namaste went down in the courtroom, what happened? Well, Mark Agnifilo came up to the stand to start giving his closing arguments. And I'm curious to see how short they're going to be.

Are they going to be just like the case in chief, only a few minutes, wrapping this up nice and quickly for the defense. But his very first words was you've heard two different trials. You've heard the evidence trial and you've heard the prosecutor's trial, the words coming out of their mouths. And those words are extremely exaggerated. This is just a swinger's lifestyle. That's what the evidence told you. But prosecutors are telling you this was a crime. Okay, here we go. The minimization of what happened.

That the women are hysterical. Why is it always women are hysterical and they're exaggerating and the female prosecutor that gave the closing arguments, which were brilliant by the way, Christy Slavick, exaggeration. You know, Eric Faddis, there are women on that jury, right? Eric Faddis, veteran trial lawyer, joining us out of Colorado. He is the founding partner of Varner Faddis, elite legal and former felony prosecutor. That would be the last thing that I wanted to do if I were, Lord help me, a defense attorney is claimed that all the women are hysterical and exaggerating. You know, there's some women sitting on that jury going, say what?

Yeah, Nancy, there are sensitive issues in this case, clearly. And as a defense attorney, you've got to make sure you're not offending the sensibilities of the jurors. You can be passionate. You can be a zealous advocate. But you've got to be careful about playing into some trope that women who have been victimized and who are survivors were just making it up or making a big deal out of nothing or something like that. And so I think he's got to really be careful

because he loses the risk of rubbing them the wrong way. And then, you know, that impression is left with them back in the deliberation room. Straight back out to Sydney Sumner, Crime Stories investigative reporter. I understand that Sean Combs had his son Christian Combs along with what his god uncle Kanye very busy last night. Yes they have released an EP today and one of the songs on that EP is called

Diddy Free and the lyrics say that we aren't going to sleep until we see Diddy Free and the lyrics actually mention you, Nancy. They don't understand, but they stand me telling, give me grace, even Nancy. So this isn't the first song that he's released speaking about his dad's legal troubles. And honestly, I don't think they're doing any positive things for him. This Bible might come in handy. This rifle might come in handy. I don't think threatening gun violence is really doing much to persuade anyone that your dad is innocent of these crimes.

Okay, you know, the jurors get to go home every night. They are not sequestered, and they can be exposed to this rap song created by God help him, Christian Combs and Kanye. Why you would want your child around Kanye, I do not know, but that's a whole nother can of worms. Let's take a look at the lyrics. Ain't gonna sleep till we see Diddy free, ain't gonna sleep till we see Diddy free. Ain't gonna sleep till we see Diddy free.

When it gets sus, they try to play the victim. Playing the victim, that's an attack on the victims. Outspoken, I ain't keeping sh- in. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, you know, I noticed part of it refers to a Plan B, which is an abortion drug, which came up during this trial. It says, they ain't got to lose. What are they talking about?

The victims or the jurors? I ain't one of them. And then it goes on to talk about Astro, what? Astro Glide? And it says like damn why the My in the tabloids, you know what? That's a really good question Why comes his children have been dragged in? to this They are being used as a PR tool and now you want to tell me this happened

without Sean Combs knowing that it would drop just before the defense closing arguments. Further looking at the lyrics that dropped last night. The Bible might come in handy. Like what? It's a prop. Then of course Christ gets dragged in. it's a prop then of course Christ gets dragged in it's one night I want Jesus Christ to answer then who they want to stop me the kid they want to stop the kid like a plan B okay we heard the testimony and we know about whether the jury understands it fully that one woman was forced into an abortion. They don't understand me. Tell them give me grace even Nancy. And it refers to bad boy throughout. That would be bad boy records.

Okay, let's hear it. They don't understand but they still stem me. Tell them, give me grace, even this. Okay, you know, some people ask, are you angry? No, I'm not. I'm full of remorse for what Sean Combs is doing to his children. Eric Fadda is joining me me, veteran trial lawyer. Have you ever prosecuted a case where the children, unless they were the victims, thought their parents did it? Because I don't think I've ever had a case where the children thought their dad was guilty. Even adult children, they never believe the parent did it.

And Nancy, I can't think of one really. The family often rallies around the defendant in these cases, you know, provides support. They want to believe, they want to believe their family member is, you know, not guilty of these heinous allegations. And that's understandable. But oftentimes, like you

mentioned, the family can be brought in sort of as pawns, sometimes in the trial itself, sometimes outside the trial, especially in these highly publicized cases. And I think a lot of folks think that that's maybe what was going on with Diddy and his children. Let's take one more listen to Diddy Free. This is released by possibly the only person in the world that thinks Sean Combs is innocent and that would be his son standing by him. God bless him. Christian King Combs and of course the illustrious Kanye. They don't understand but they still tell him give me grace even this. Sean Combs' devotees mobbing the courthouse the day they thought he would walk free. Take a look! That's from Armin Wiggins on Instagram.

Does any of this affect the judge? The judge is supposed to be separate and apart from the outside world. But does the judge listen to any of this? Joining us Renounce Laco-Alice out of LA, Dr. Bethany Marshall. Do you believe the judge is truly immune to what the mob mentality is demanding outside the courthouse? Nancy, this judge will not be immune to the mob mentality outside the courthouse. Judges care. I'm married to a judge. They do form their own conclusions. They do try to uphold

the law and they do respect the verdict that the jury comes back with, but they have their own mind and their own way of thinking and they are very seasoned at what they do. So this is something that's going to follow this judge the rest of his life. He's going to think about it. He's going to worry about it. You know, Nancy, I think too, there are many people who are frightened right now of consequences from P. Diddy Combs. And I don't know if you know this, but a lot of judges want security

after court cases like this because they do feel threatened. So I think that's going to be weighing heavily on this judge's mind. Speaking of mob mentality, Tisa Tells, could you describe what the so-called mob did to you, following the verdict? So yes, as everybody knows, I was accosted outside the courthouse and that was putting it lightly. Scum, diddy supporting scum, literally rolling around like the mob from Beauty and the Beast looking for me so they could, according to what they were telling

their followers, lay their hands and feet on me. What happened to Cassie was going to be nothing compared to what they planned to do to me, which is what they told me, okay? That was incredibly, it was eye-opening, okay? Now at the time, thank goodness, I did have security, but it was incredibly eye-opening, okay? A lot of Diddy's victims are saying they're worried about what happens, that Diddy is vengeful, he is pragmatic. But more importantly, I saw the base of the fear, the fact that he has a very loyal following of idiots. He does not have to give them a penny.

He doesn't even have to thank them. He doesn't even have to know who they are. He is happy. They are happy to do his bidding or what he showed everybody what his bidding is. I fear for the victims. I fear for anybody that actually speaks out, okay? Diddy and the people around him, in my opinion, are not safe.

And that jury, like I've always said, sent a signal that domestic violence isn't real violence. It's okay if you have to use your hands and feet to put a woman in their place. And that's scary to actually think that you have a band of misfit bum losers who are willing to do your bidding at the end of the day. And interestingly love, I expect this to be a new day because it has come out that a lot of people that were even

trying to accost me, attack me, actually have their own domestic violence cases coming up. Again, you cannot make this up, but this is the type of support that Sean Diddy Combs brings out for himself. There's no drug possession charges. There's no like assault. There's not really charges that you could say, well, you know, I don't want to send him to prison for 15 years, but I don't like him and he's a bad person. So let's convict him of this

and he'll get a couple of years, which is very often what juries do. True. He may be no legal scholar. That's from Al Profit on TikTok, but that's the point. This case is not being determined or judged by legal scholars. It's being judged by 12 jurors. Joining me in addition to Tisa tells outside the courthouse and all star panelists, go straight out to Eric Faddis joining us, veteran trial lawyer and founding partner, Varner Faddis Elite Legal. Eric, while we may think the state has proven its case, it's really up to the jury. And I mean, the Vegas odds are 50-50 right now. And I think that may reflect what's going on.

So just because the climate inside the courthouse is conviction oriented, remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody in the courthouse, many of them work for the state. That doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking, Faddis. 100%. In fact, getting these takes, you know, from the street and from folks on YouTube,

that could be a better glimpse into how these lay jurors are actually seeing this case. Look, this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course of decades. There are all these moving parts, 34 different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden in the justice system. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

We know Sean Combs has been sweating bullets in the courtroom all day, continuously looking over at the jury, darting his gaze over at them throughout the judges' instructions. Joining me, Danny Penter, Senior VP and director of the Law Center at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. Danny, when you hear phrases like, oh, she was gangsta straight up. She could take on two, three men at a time. She was a, quote, loose woman. She got paid. And another and another moment, Agnifilo said he only hit her twice,

referring to, I believe that was Jane. He only hit her twice. That's the defense. Yeah, I found it honestly disgusting. And I hope the jury does too. I think it was weak and unpersuasive and the defense went too far. The jury has to contend with the facts, which I think, you know, as a legal expert, I think the prosecution met their burden, but what story is the jury gonna believe? And does the defense really think the jury is gonna believe the story

that Cassie Ventura had all of the power and did he is the victim? I don't think anyone's buying that. Rob Shooter joining me, host of Naughty But Nice podcast. And you can find him at his Substack. Rob, the daughters who have had to leave court several times in tears during the testimony. That's a whole nother can of worms why he had his daughters and children in there listening to the worst of the worst from the state. They all dressed in black today. And I remember prosecuting, I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange, because the cases

I prosecuted were all violent felonies. And it just seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate. And so it's a very solemn note. And you know that Diddy orchestrated right down to what they were wearing. Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say though here is that there's a little bit of performance going on too with the kids. I don't want to go after someone's kids for their parents' crimes, but it has been undoubted that his kids have had a really amazing life

because of their dad. And because of what their dad do and does and who their dad is, these are not the von Trapp family. They have seen a lot. These kids have been around his parties. They've been around his life. Not the von Trapp family. Did you just, you're talking about what the seven children of, excuse me, in Sound of Music that would put on those frocks and sing at the family music festival? Yeah, no, the Von Trappes, they ain't. That's true. Go ahead.

They ain't that. This is a family that has been around money, power, fame, celebrities, sex, violence. They've heard their dad's songs. They've rapped along to other rap artists. These are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into this lifestyle. So they're really used to seeing, hearing

and maybe even participating in some very, very, very, what we would consider strange scenes, strange environments. So I wouldn't feel too bad for the kids here. I think that they're part of the Combs family. It's a deal that maybe they didn't wanna make. They had no choice in it, but they've been born into this lifestyle and they have benefited from their dad's success, his money for a debt.

You know, I'm very surprised you brought up the Von Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun? Sister Maria, remember her? AKA Julie Andrews. Okay. These children have not been raised by a nun. Okay. But following up on what you said, to me, Dr. Bethany Marshall, that makes me feel for these

children even more so because they never had what I had. Of course, I grew up on a red dirt road drinking water from a well my grandfather dug in the backyard. Okay, but you know what I did have? I had a mother that took care of me and a father. Both of them worked all day into the night, came home, had supper with us, and they were there for me. I mean, it ain't easy for my dad to work on the railroad and my mom to work at a factory, right? But they did. But we had love.

These children never had that constant in their life. Now they're sitting in their dad's felony trial. A lot of people have asked me, wow, how do you feel about Christian Collins putting you on a diss track? I didn't see it that way at all. I didn't see it as a diss at all. I saw it as an adult son trying to take up for his father, and I actually feel bad that they're in that position. I did too, Nancy. They've been raised in a culture of sex abuse, of violence, a culture of narcissism, guns,

multiple mothers, half siblings. You know, it's just a very confusing environment. And you know, this is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting in court because they have to take in all kinds of information About their father. Have you lost your mind? Have you lost your mind? You're calling him your father accused of sex trafficking Therapeutic, okay. Yes, I know You're at Beverly Hills and I was raised on a dirt road But ain't nothing therapeutic about hearing the truth about your father, that he's a sex trafficker.

I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality. They've been lived in an they've been raised in an upside down world. Listen to what Agnifilo said today. OK. So when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to please her man, you know, just because your man wants it and you don't, but you're going to do it to make him happy. He's basically saying women need to take it up. OK, as an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I hope those kids sitting in court, hearing all this degradation of women, have a good therapist

to talk to so they can make sense of it. And all of this putting women down because Cassie Ventura got 20 million dollars. You know, with Michael Jackson, when he paid his first victim 30 million dollars, we didn't say that nine-year-old was a gold digger. We said Michael Jackson must have done something really, really bad if he paid out 30 million dollars. And all this money, I think, is because it's because P. Diddy really needs to cover his tracks. The Diddy watch is counting down. We wait as justice unfolds but now we remember an American hero trooper Michael Stewart, Pennsylvania state PD, just 26, killed in the line of duty after four years with Ellie, leaving behind

grieving parents Michael and Lynn. American hero, trooper Michael Stewart. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.