Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - DISGUSTING DIDDY: FREAK-OFF “TOO GROSS” FOR HOTEL, DIDDY ASS’T “CLEANED & FLUFFED”

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

After a break for the Memorial Day remembrance, Sean Combs' trial resumes Tuesday. Court oom testimony has been full of surprises, including the fact that Diddy's employees were made to clean up after freak-offs and what led up to Kid Cudi's car being blown up. Was Combs behind it?  Hear more from Nancy Grace and her expert panel on Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The federal government versus Sean Cohn. Joining us now, investigative reporter, Lauren Conlon, star of Pup Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. A lot happening in the courtroom. First of all, direct examination of a special agent, Gerard Gannon. What happened? We finished the direct examination of special agent Gerard Gannon.

He's with the HSI and he finished showing us all of the evidence that was collected during the Miami raid of Sean Combs' house. And this is his house on Two Star Island. And what they seized from the house, they seized two defaced AR-15s, and these AR-15s, they were separated. We saw the lower barrels and the upper barrels.

The upper barrels were actually, they were wrapped in a towel, and the lower barrels were in a separate spot, and the magazines were not with the lower barrels were in a separate spot and the magazines were not with the lower barrels. However, the lower magazines were loaded, both of them. You know, a lot is being made of the number of agents at the raid and I find that very, very disturbing. Sydney Sumner also joining us, Crime Stories Investigative Reporter. Sydney, I understand there were dozens of federal agents at the raid. So what? What's the issue? Agents went in feeling like they were going to be confronted by armed guards. That's what they thought they were walking into when they came into this house. They specifically waited for Combs and his family to leave before they entered to avoid any more confrontation.

They only found six people at the home, a music producer who has not been named, a property manager and a few other staff members. But they put all of those people in handcuffs to go into the home and there were 90 agents total just about and they had people sitting out at the water to make sure nobody tried to flee into the canal right behind his home. They had to come into this in full force and they were right. They found ARs with several modifications, scratched off serial numbers. They knew they were possibly coming into a firefight and prepared for it. The feds even have the backside that is on the water completely surrounded.

You know what, Sydney, Summer, you and I have covered a lot of cases together when we've gone on location and investigated a lot of cases. You know what? A gun. It makes a big man little and a little man big. You know, let's tell it like it is. Chris McDonough joining me. Former homicide detective and star of the interview room. Now on YouTube, Chris McDonough, you get an AR going. You get an M16 going. How

many feds could they shoot down in about 30 seconds? Tell it. Yeah, a lot. And that's why these operations, you know, you start out with an op plan and you discover those vulnerabilities in relationship to officer safety. You know, where do officers need to be placed and are they safe in those positions based on the potential threats that you could be facing? They would be mowed down like an old gangster movie where machine guns are used.

And you know, you got to hand it to the feds, McDonough. They even had the backside covered that bordered on the water because I could absolutely see some of Dee Dee's cohorts trying to make a getaway by water. Yeah, absolutely. And Nancy, I actually had a case where five guys were mowed down within 10 seconds from an automatic weapon. It was an SKS. Sydney Sunder, did I hear you say that the serial numbers were scratched off some of the weapons? Yes, both of those assault rifles, Nancy, the AR-15s, these serial numbers were scratched through.

So, it's unclear exactly how they were obtained, if Combs boxed them with the serial numbers. Sidney, I don't care. I don't care if the angel Gabriel came down from heaven and dropped them in Deity's lap. That is a serious, serious offense. McDonough, jump in. This is critical.

You know why serial numbers are scraped off of weapons. Absolutely, Nancy. And this tells us maybe there's a wider net here, right? What the feds are going to do is throw it into the system called NIBIN, which is the National Ballistic Information Network. And they're going to see if these weapons are tied into any other crimes. You think a bad guy is going to go to the gun and knife show down at the mall and buy a gun?

H-E-L-L-N-O. They get weapons like ARs, basically machine guns on the black market. Why is a serial number scraped off? Because that gun could be connected to another serious crime. I want to see McDonough. McDonough, you need to get real on this. You think they've ever found the gun that killed Tupac Shakur or guns that are related to many, many other ag assault shootings and murders? No, they've never been recovered.

And if they were recovered, unless you do a ballistics test, you don't know if it's the murder weapon or the assault weapon. Why? Because criminals scrape off the serial number. scrape off the cereal number. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Straight back to Lauren Conlon, other in addition to all the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons. What can you tell me about women's shoes with seven inch platform heels? It was pretty wild to see a special agent hold up seven inch heels in court that just

happened to be patent leather and red. We saw Balenciaga boots that had three different cell phones in them and then we saw a fourth cell phone in a separate room. We saw a Gucci bag that was filled with a rolled up $100 bill, different types of pills, yellow, orange, pink, different powders. We saw eye drops and later these drugs were tested and they were confirmed to be coke, ketamine and MDMA actually in an eyedropper. And there were actually three orange tablets they found with Tesla symbols on them. And oh, we also saw Xanax drugs were tested for Xanax. There also was a wooden box in the bathroom they found. And on top of that wooden box was a gold inscription that said Puffy. There were mushroom pills in that and then a bag of crystal rocks that turns out was MDMA.

You know, Sydney Sumner, that reminds me of one of the first times we heard about a male escort. We heard that one male sex worker showed up, knocks at the door, Cassie comes to the door wearing scantily clad lingerie and these heels. I guarantee you it's not Diddy walking around in 8 inch platform heels. He has the women dress up in various outfits and we see all

those heels at his Miami mansion, Sydney. And we heard a similar story from both of the male escorts that have testified that they believe they were coming for some kind of bachelorette party and then this woman opens the door. She's by herself except for her purported husband in the corner of the room and she's disguised. She's wearing some kind of lingerie, a matching wig, some kind of heels and it just doesn't, it doesn't make sense. The defenses theory that they're saying that this is all just private sex matter for Sean Diddy Combs. There is no reason to own half of a Spencer store. You can just keep that in your home if that's

purely for personal use where there's not more than one person involved. You're not having copious amounts of freak off parties. It just, it doesn't crack. Louis Vuitton bag. A huge Louis stuffed full of horse trank, ecstasy, cocaine, pink cocaine, Plan B birth control pills, and of course high-powered Viagra. Diddy needs his Viagra. Okay I'm gonna have to go to our shrink in a moment about mushroom pills, crystal rocks that are MDMA and what effect that has. You know what? I'll ask him right now. Joining me, Scott Johnson, forensic psychologist, 33 years addressing sex predators. Forensic consultation.org is where you can find him. Author of Physical Abusers

and Sex Offenders. When I Love You Turns Violent. That's another book. Scott Johnson, thank you for being with us. What is MDMA and what effect does it have on a person? All right, so you have the ecstasy basically by the street name and you have people that become delusional. It's difficult to say no. At higher levels, it may cause a euphoric statement where people are kind of out of touch with reality, sort of delusional, but it's very difficult to say no or to resist when you're under the influence of these medications. Ecstasy, Molly is a stimulant with psychedelic properties. That's what it is.

And if you drop it in one of these ladies drinks, there's no telling what effect it's gonna have on her. Lauren Conlon, very quickly, Lauren, I wanna ask you about what happened when we got to Diddy's bathroom of his mansion that was raided, the bathroom. Yeah, and then we got to a bathroom where we saw two containers.

And in one container, there was 25 bottles of baby oil and 31 bottles of Astro Glide. And I actually spotted two rubber duckies, little bit confusing. And when they asked a special agent, were there more baby oil that you found? He said, yes. And there was because we saw a mini crate of baby oil during his direct

testimony the day before. Now right around when he was testifying, Diddy's sons, Justin and Christian, walked in and Diddy turned around. He didn't smile, but he nodded his head at them. Is he guilty of all the counts or any of the counts in this federal indictment. So far, according to my legal analysis, the charges of sex trafficking have been shown by not only Cassie Ventura but another female witness as well. Transportation of male sex workers across state lines to engage in prostitution. Yes. Now racketeering is going to have to be explained

to the jury. Racketeering, just think about Tony Soprano. It is a loose confederation of people that engage altogether to achieve a criminal act. In this criminal conspiracy, the act would be sex trafficking, bringing people in from various states to perform prostitution or and to force women to engage in freak-offs against their wills. Bam! Easy! My question is

what woman in her right mind would consent to have sex with not just a male escort, a lot of people do that, but a convicted killer slash male escort. Listen. At least two of the male escorts Cassie identified were found on the Showtime reality series Jiggalos. One is also a convicted murderer. Akshaya Kubiak, who uses the name Ash Armand, beat her lean Duly to death. Kubiak claimed he blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly, one of Kubiak's clients,

and when he woke up the next morning, she was brutally beaten to death. It's gonna sound just insane, because it is insane. We took mushrooms together last night. There was a struggle. She blocked concerts or breathing. You're on the ground.

We have the male detained right now. Officers and medical personnel arrived on scene, and that female was pronounced deceased. This was one of the worst beatings of a person, of a human that I've seen. This whole situation is what horror movies are made of. On the morning of the murder, they didn't call 911 first. They actually called another jiggalo.

That from Paramount's Sin City Jiggalo. They find the dead body and they don't call 911. They actually call another jiggalo. Okay, you know, to Rachel Fisher joining us, a special guest joining us. Rachel is an anti-trafficking expert featured in the 22 documentaries, Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is a forensic nurse, a sex assault nurse examiner, and expert witness.

And she is at LegalRNConsult.org. Rachel, thank you for being with us. It's one thing to talk about Diddy dressed up in a Muslim female burqa from the neck up. It's another thing to talk about this male escort's moniker is the Punisher. But it's another thing to force a woman that would be Cassie Ventura into sex with not just a gigolo, but a convicted killer gigolo. That's the danger of forcing somebody to be involved in a commercial sex act, whether you're the recipient or you're the one performing it and getting paid for it. That's still a commercial sex act that she was being coerced and forced into. You never know

who's on the other end of the call. When you click that ad online to order an escort because you can get one faster than you can get a pizza in most places and whoever shows up you don't know their background. It's a very dangerous career to be in the sex industry and many of the people that are there are not there willingly and some are but you never know what their story is on the other side and what they're going to come with. That's why we have so many that are murdered when they're in the sex industry or you get an in-call where an escort comes to you and you get murdered or robbed. And it's a very dangerous thing that you're forcing somebody to be a part of.

There are multiple people involved, and so all of those people become part of that scheme. I wonder what itty bitty ditty is feeling and thinking right now in a courtroom as a Homeland Security special agent describes everything that was found in his mansion that was raided. Crates of baby oil, astroglide, that's not against the law. What I care about are the federal counts in that federal indictment. Former assistant David James testifies that Combs was occasionally violent with private chef Jordan Atkinson. According to James, after an altercation at his Alpine, New Jersey home, Combs instructed him to file a police report stating Atkinson was the aggressor and hit him

first. James, who witnessed the altercation, says he simply drove around Alpine for roughly an hour before returning and telling Combs it was filed. James says he didn't want to comply with Combs' request because he did not want to file a false report. Sydney, some are joining me, investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Sydney, explain to me, am I getting this correct? The former assistant, David James, described an incident where Sean Combs allegedly attacked a female chef. But then wanted James to go file a police report stating it was the other way around,

but James didn't do it. That's absolutely correct. James said that Combs and this chef got into an altercation and Combs immediately after it ended came to James and asked him, look, let's go to the cops. Let's file a police report, but make sure it says that she attacked. She hit me first. She was the aggressor. And James kind of did his, okay, yeah, I'll do that. And he got into a car and just drove around for about an hour before returning home and

saying, yep, filed it. It's in there. They'll contact me if they need anything else from us. And the whole time he never spoke to a police officer about it because he didn't want to be you know what is probative about this Sydney this right here here we have Rob shooter Sean Combs beating the Steve out of Cassie Ventura she's holding up a little left hand to fight him off and they're gonna argue according to Garagos and of course this could change Just like the defense in Scott Peterson changed from a satanic cult took Lacey to burglars took Lacey I mean it changed over time so at one point Garagos let it slip that the argument to defeat this video is that Cassie

90 pound Cassie is the aggressor here, she's the one giving him the booty beating over texts from another woman. Okay, she's the aggressor. Same thing with the chef. See what I'm saying? The connection. So apparently that's his MO, modus operandi, method of operation. He attacks the woman according to evidence and then says she's the aggressor. Did he ever take responsibility for anything, Rob Schueter? He took responsibility when everything went well. When things were going good, it was because of him. When things were not going well,

it was because of everybody else. But this video here, Nancy, this is the case to me. This video changes everything. And there's some irony that a man who has spent his whole life putting out images, videos, to make him into the star he is, is ultimately, I believe, going to be brought down because of this video. That is something that is gonna be in the jury's mind.

And the excuses are just excuses. You just stated that. Cove spent an entire lifetime curating an image through video and photos. Like what? What image? Let me give you examples of this. There were images to make him look powerful,

images to make him look important, images to make him look literally like a king. I Got Diddy was People Magazine's sexiest men alive issue. He wanted the cover, he did not get that, but he was in the issue, and he shot it as if he was a king. He asked at the photo shoot

if he could have a crown on his head, if he could have a coat, a fur coat, and he knew the power of images. I remember distinctly, he once said to me, Rob, the story doesn't matter. The headline and the photograph is all anybody remembers. He knew the power of media. He knew the power of video and he exploited it and now it's going to bite him in the bum. Straight out to Sydney Sumner, Crime Stories investigative reporter who has been on the case from the beginning

and has been analyzing Cassie Ventura's testimony. Sydney, the high points of Cassie Ventura's testimony. Explain. Nancy, I think the high point of Cassie's testimony is that Diddy was in control of many aspects of her life. So she meets combs at just 19 years old. Diddy was in control of many aspects of her life. So she meets Combs at just 19 years old. Their relationship begins when she's just about 21.

And she talks about not even wanting to kiss Sean Combs. So the first time that they shared a kiss, they weren't a couple at this point. The first time he showed romantic interest in her was at her 21st birthday party in Las Vegas. And Cassie admits that the kids left her feeling extremely confused. She ran from her party in tears, not sure what to do with that, as a new artist in the industry. So their relationship starting on that point and going from there, Cone just continued

to take more and more control of her life and he was always there. Like she didn't pick up the phone. He would call her over and over until she did, or he would send security guards to come find her. So on top of the freak-offs, which seems to be just a segment of their relationship, he coerced her into anything and everything.

She didn't feel like she had an ability to say no to combs, especially with the violence and the threats of releasing these videos. Ventura talks about keeping broken iPhones and broken laptops and things of that nature because she was so worried about what was on them, if anyone was to get their hands on them. Speaking of a laptop incident, earlier on we heard from witness Philip. Listen. Philip describes one evening where Ventura was at the computer during a break in sex. Combs yelled for his girlfriend to come to him, and when she did not, Combs threw a bottle of liquor at Cassie that shattered against the wall after missing her head by inches.

Phillips says Combs then dragged Ventura to another room, and he overheard what sounded like a smack. Then Combs sang, When I Tell You To Come Here, You Come Here Now, Not Later. Moments later, the couple re-emerged and Combs demanded they resume. Joining us is Rob Schueter, a publicist for Sean Combs. Rob, thank you for being with us. Also star of Naughty But Nice podcast

and author of The Four Word Answer. You have a particular insight into another relationship, if it could be called that, of Combs, which preceded Cassie Ventura. It is basically a blueprint. Second verse, same as the first, and that would be Kim Porter, the mother of his children, now dead. Rob Schueter, describe Combs' relationship with Miss Porter. Puff's relationship with Kim was very much the same relationship he had with Cassie. In fact, some people called Cassie Kim 2.0. They had seen this method. They had seen this relationship.

They had seen this grooming. And so Kim was shy, with what she was told, was very much on his arm. He didn't like her to talk very much. He picked the clothes that he would wear. He would decide the events that she would go to. Cassie seems to be doing that too, or have done that too. The difference though is that Kim didn't want to be a recording artist. Cassie really did. She wanted to make it big in show business. She wanted to record songs. And so my heart breaks for her because she was not only in debt to Diddy in her personal life, but also her professional life, which must have made it impossible, almost impossible

for her to get away from. Special guest joining me, Brett Brown, executive director SASS, Surviving Assault Standing Strong. You know, it's the same old thing. It's not a new story. And to try to explain why women stay, I mean, when a woman's faced with losing her home,

losing her career, maybe losing her children, being blackballed in the industry. What would you do? What would you not do to ensure those things don't happen? What about it, Brett? Well, I think it's everything that you just said. The part that we're kind of missing is the beginning and the end. You know, these women, they want to be seen and they want to be respected and they want to achieve. And those desires get used against them in this power imbalance. And so whether we're talking about Harvey Weinstein or we're talking about Sean Combs, the recipe is still the same.

And once they're on the hook with these powerful men, then you enters the threats and the violence and the force. And so fear and financial insecurity and so many other things start to play in. And so it's not a matter of I keep going so I can get something. These women have to stay in this situation in order to stay alive.

And it's interesting to me because Sean Combs, like any abuser, has spent an enormous amount of time on his reputation and on his look to make sure that he seems like the fun guy next door. And here is this predator sitting in a courtroom with a Bible. And I just wanted to say that even Satan quoted scripture in the Bible,

and at the end of the day, he was still the devil. Lauren Conlon, investigative reporter and star of Pup Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. What happened in court? We saw Kid Cudi testify and it was fairly quick. It took a portion of the morning. And during opening statements, the prosecutors gave us

a little bit of a taste about this break-in that involved Diddy, an assistant, and one of his associates. Well, when Kid Cuddy, aka Scott Meskety, took the stand, it turns out that Diddy was the one that broke into his house, kidnapped one of his employees, Capricorn Clark, with an associate, went over there looking for Cassie. And this was after Sean Combs found out about this relationship that was going on between Kid Cudi and Cassie. And look, Kid Cudi said he was a little confused.

Cassie had told him that she and Sean Combs were broken up. You know, they were on again, off again. So when he got this call from Cassie where she was very, very upset and alarmed, this was in 2011, he went to pick her up. He took her to a hotel and it turns out she gave Sean Combs Kid Cudi's address. This came out, that was a little confusing.

So Kid Cudi finds out that Sean Combs is at his house because Capricorn Clark, the assistant, calls him and Cassie from the driveway in the car, very scared, and says, look, Combs is in the house. Now Kid Cudi gets very upset. He says he's going over there. So he drives over there and he says that he calls Sean Combs and he says,

hey, mother effer, why are you in my house? And Diddy says something like, I just want to talk. Now when he gets to the house, Diddy is no longer there. He notices that nothing is broken, nothing is out of place, but he did have some Christmas presents for his family in Chanel boxes. Those were unwrapped on the kitchen table and his dog was locked in a bathroom.

He also noted that the surveillance cameras outside his house appeared to be pointed down. Now, after this, you know, he leaves, he sees that he's getting text messages from combs and he thinks to himself, okay, I don't really know if I wanna get involved here because who knows if he has weapons, whatever. So he actually calls the police and files a police report. Now, we've

discussed this. It's December of 2011. Kid Cudi and Cassie go to Cassie's family home in Connecticut for the holidays. Sean combs still is texting kid party, you know, trying to talk to him trying to, to, you know, get a meeting with him and Cuddy ignores him. And then Cassie ends up breaking up with him on his trip. He returns back to LA and a month later, it's January 2012, he is about 45 minutes away from his house, Kit Cuddy,

and his dog babysitter calls him and says, your car is on fire in the driveway, a Molotov cocktail has somehow been thrown in the car. We then see pictures of the car. The roof is broken in or sunken in with a hole in it. The inside is all charred. He calls the police, files a police report, and then a few days later he says, okay, you know, that's it.

I'm contacting Combs and we're gonna work this out. So they have a meeting at the LA Soho house. He describes D-Rock, the security guard that we've heard about multiple times, ushering him into this room. And this got a lot of laughs, Nancy. He described Combs as facing this big window in the room with his back towards him his hands

behind his back and he actually said he looked like a Marvel supervillain so he said also that Diddy's demeanor was so calm that it was almost bizarre he offered him water twice you know and and they seemed to work it out and then at the end of the conversation and and Cassie joined later, by the way, and at the end of the conversation, Cuddy says they shook hands and while their hands were clasped, he said, well, what about my car?

And Diddy basically was like, I don't know anything about your car. And they let their hands go. And then, you know, they kind of walked out. And that was that. And he said he hadn't seen him until a few years later, he saw him again at the Soho house. And this time Diddy was with his two daughters

and he apologized to Kid Cudi and said, look, I'm sorry for everything that happened, anything that went on between us. But Nancy, when Brian Steele got up to do the cross examination, he pointed out a couple of things, as that's his job, but he pointed out that during the break-in, Kid Cudi's door, there was no damage to it,

the door was wide open and anybody could have walked in. He also pointed out that there were DNA or fingerprints pulled from the investigation into the car blow up and those that DNA was actually it belonged to a female. Okay let me understand something. So one month later after the whole Cassie Ventura relationship blows up, one month later Kid Cuddy's car is bombed with a molotov. So isn't it true that Sean Combs had discussed blowing up his car?

Yes, Cassie, this is through Cassie. She said that this was discussed and he was going to do it when one of Kid Cudi's friends were present. So Sean Combs' fingerprints and DNA were not on the card that was blown up with the Molotov one month after Diddy threatened to blow it up. Okay sorry not impressed. I mean do you really think Sean Combs, Diddy, was

going to run down to the Sitgo or the Valero and pump his own gas into a container and make his own Molotov? I mean he didn't even clean up his own gas into a container and make his own molotov. I mean, he didn't even clean up his own disgusting hotel rooms that were covered with a baby oil slick. He made somebody else do it. So of course his DNA isn't there. Why is it important? Because that is what a criminal enterprise is.

Now, we see former assistant George Kaplan on the stand. Now, talk about an unindicted co-conspirator. We see former assistant George Kaplan on the stand. Now, talk about an unindicted co-conspirator. That would be him. Listen. Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up drugs for his famous boss. Kaplan says Sean Combs gave him cash and a phone number to call.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up drugs for his famous boss. Kaplan says Shawn Combs gave him cash and a phone number to call. So, Sean Combs could talk a grown man into going and buying his drugs for him? No wonder this went down in the courtroom. Listen. Diddy's former assistant, George Kaplan, takes the stand. Kaplan tells the judge he is only here because of a subpoena and he plans to invoke his Fifth Amendment right.

Judge Supermoni in grants Kaplan immunity, But the deal does not cover perjury. Just see a little snippet of all the drugs seized at Sean Combs' mansion. Now, we know that Frank Black was a name, a pseudonym, used to check Sean Combs in and out of hotel rooms. Also used to get fake prescriptions which is illegal. You think that Sean Combs rolled up in his SUV to the CVS or the Duane Reed or the Walgreens and got his own stuff? No. Uh-uh. There had to be a minion. Troy Slayton.

Sean Combs convinced Kaplan to perform crimes for him, buying drugs, get illegal drugs such as MDMA. Also convinced him to get prescription drugs under a fake name. Where's Slayton? Also a crime. So now he is talking his minion into buying his astroglide lubricant, his baby oil, his candles, his liquor, all of that and importantly, critically, using the company credit card choice, Layton. Well, buying Astro Glide, although it may sound gross in this situation, is

not illegal. Buying drugs, yes illegal, but that doesn't make a RICO case. The government still has to prove that the of the drugs was to advance the criminal enterprise. Was to advance his business interest, his legitimate business interest. He had legal rights. Do you think Diddy took all those drugs himself? No, that was being dropped in the woman's drinks. I mean, you need to go back to law school, man, and take a refresher course on RICO. RICO is anything, any act that advances a crime and the crimes have to be laid out in the indictment, which they are. I've already read them to you. I'll read them again. Sex trafficking, forced labor, kidnapping, arson,

bribery, obstruction. Those are all terrible things, but that doesn't make Rico you have to prove What do you think Diddy was using all those drugs for? He'd be dead if he took them all he was beating them to these women In their drinks. What do you think the astrogline the baby oils for for a freak off according to these women against their will and Bringing in male sex workers from another state that is against the law Rico that would be that sex trafficking. So we're mixing up two different things there, Nancy. You know that those are separate crops here. Also in the indictment. Yes. You're the one that said Astor Glide had nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with it. Just like the baby oil. Just because somebody is having a rock star is having a drug-fueled party doesn't mean that they're guilty of Rico. To Dr. Bethany Marshall, that video of the literally a Dixie dumpster going down the hallway of the hotel. Dr. Bethany, how do you convince grown men and women to do your illegal bidding and clean up

your bodily fluids, your sperm, your baby oil, your astroglide, and they do it. All of it. Nancy, probably what he did is he started out being super charming with them, pretending to be their friend, buying them gifts, pretending to advance their interests in some way. And once he gained their trust, he would send them out on some criminal act.

Once they committed the criminal act, now they were stuck and could not get away. Isn't it true, Sidney Sumner, that sworn testimony is that Sean Combs tried to bribe a security guy? That's correct Nancy. He tried to hand the security guard a stack of money as big as his hand to leave them alone and to just drop the whole situation and not get Cassie Ventura out of that intercontinental hotel room. So Tom Smith, former NYPD star of Gold Shields podcast, Tom Smith, I guess it's just a ditty world and we all living in it because all these people are so afraid or have their careers at stake, they go along with it. It will be a cold day in H-E-

double L that I would go clean up somebody else's bodily fluids unless my children threw up. It's not gonna happen but all these people just went along to get along. Yep and it's influence and influence and it's his power that controlled them. What can he do for them in the future? How can he propel their jobs, their careers, anything like that? That all is involved in this power trip that he was on. And like you know, Nancy, once you get away with it a little bit, you keep pushing the envelope to the next level, to the next level. Right now, Sean comes in a federal courthouse being charged and being tried for a multi-count federal indictment.

And what Rico means, which is the major prize for the state, is that Sean comes headed up a criminal enterprise involving many, many crimes, including arson, blowing up Kid Cuddy's car. You hear that, Troy Slaton? It's the death knell. It's the death knell. Kid Cuddy's testimony and the testimony of all these other assistants, the nail in the coffin, the death kn nail for Diddy.

It might be Nancy, but the government is still going to have to weave together all these disparate dots and tie it together to show that this was an overarching grand conspiracy to further a criminal enterprise. And I think we're going to hear a lot from Diddy's attorneys when it comes time for his defense to put on their presentation. Well, you're right, Slayton. I don't know what they've got up their sleeves, but you're absolutely right. The state better be ready. Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. Nancy Gray signing off. Good night, friend.