Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Drunken female podcaster yells, 'F**K the cops,' mows down & kills officer

Episode Date: April 29, 2021

Jessica Beauvais, 32, arrested after mowing down a police officer. 43-year-old Anastasios Tsakos was standing next to his patrol car, directing traffic around an earlier fatal crash on the Long Island Expressway. The force of the hit knocked Tsakos’s boots off, tossed him 30 to 40 feet in the air, and 100 feet further down the road. One of Tsakos’s legs was severed. The 14-year veteran of the New York Police Department has two young children. Beauvais told police she was on her way home from a studio where she’d recorded a podcast — a Facebook Livestream that saw her drinking shots. Beauvais confessed to smoking marijuana and drinking wine and tequila during the broadcast. Prosecutors said Beauvais’s blood-alcohol level was 0.15, nearly double the legal limit.Joining Nancy Grace today: Tim McEwing - Attorney, Mcewing, Inc., Former APD Motorman Traffic Cop Dr. Shari Schwartz, Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), www.panthermitigation.com, Twitter: https://twitter.com/TrialDoc Dr. Kendall Crowns – Deputy Chief Medical Examiner Travis County, Texas (Austin) Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert & Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder, ColdCaseCrimes.org Sarina Fazan - Four-time Emmy award-winning TV Anchor & Reporter, Sarina Fazan Media, www.sarinafazan.media, Podcast: "On The Record with Sarina Fazan" @sarinafazannews, YouTube: Sarina Fazan TV Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. F the cops. F the cops. If I say what this 32-year-old woman, Jessica Buve, said, it would totally get beeped out. Now, in our country, we have the right to free speech. You can say F the cops all you want to until you're blue in the face. But when you run down a motorman out working a homicide scene at 2 a.m. in the morning, sever his leg, his leg goes flying into the air, leaving a widow and two little children behind. Suddenly, your podcast rants of F the police

take on a whole new meaning. We want justice. Will we get it? First of all, take a listen to this. In a podcast posted on Facebook Monday night, 32-year-old Jessica Beauvais of Hempstead directed expletives at police officers and sipped drinks. While she was demonizing these police officers, she decided to make other bad choices and spend the evening drinking. And she admitted that she smoked marijuana as well. Just hours after the podcast, as alleged in a 13-count criminal complaint,

Beauvais hit NYPD officer Anastasios Sakos as he directed traffic away from an earlier crash on the LIE ramp to the Clearview Expressway. Sakos, a husband and father of two, was thrown into the air and landed in a nearby patch of grass. The scene that Sosakos was working ended up being a vehicular homicide scene. Somebody died in that scene. And while he is out on the highway, the LIE, the Long Island Expressway, people fly like bats out of hell on the LIE. He's trying to protect that scene and ends up dead. His wife and children at home probably asleep, waiting for him to show up for breakfast. You know, sometimes in this line of business, you just run out of words. Let's see if I can go to my panel,

an all-star panel, to make sense of what is happening. First of all, Dr. Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist specializing in capital mitigation at panthermitigation.com. Dr. Kendall Crowns, deputy chief medical examiner, Travis County, Texas, that's Austin. And you know how many medical examiners ever become a deputy chief? Less than 8%. Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert and director of the Cold Case Research Institute. You can find her at coldcasecrimes.org. Serena Fazan, four-time Emmy award-winning investigative reporter at serenafazan.media. Also runs a podcast, On the Record with Serena Fazan. Also with also runs a podcast on the record with serena fazan also with me special guest today

timothy mckeown former motorman apd now a lawyer at tim mckeown inc.com You can also find him at Lawyers4Cops.com. Another interesting thing about him, not only was he an APD and motorman out there working the streets without the benefit of being inside a police cruiser, he also was run down in the line of duty. I mean, really, Tim McEwen, when will it end? Well, thank you, Nancy, for having me. Back in 1992, I was working a car fire call on the downtown connector in Atlanta, and I was actually hit by a city of Atlanta fire truck that forced me into the street. And as you know, personally, Nancy, you were there at the hospital with me and Renee Rockwell, where they, it shattered my left hand. You know, being a motor man does not, you know, afford the concomitant level of safety as you have in a patrol car.

So, you know, I was lucky that they even saved my hand, Dr. Keating. Where does it end? Well, I guess it doesn't end. It's key in the times now. You know what? When you say that, Tim McEwen, you're right. It doesn't end because as long as someone is willing to go out there and investigative reporter. I am sick, sick, sick about this. Have you seen his wife, Irene? He's got a three-year-old son, a six-year-old

daughter. They're just at home in bed when all this happened. What happened that night? Oh my gosh, Nancy. I mean, it's beyond, beyond awful. Here he is, a 14-year veteran on the force, working, doing his job, trying to protect people on this other traffic scene. And then you have this woman. Loaded. With no regard to life, clearly. Loaded. Oh, loaded. I mean, to the gills.

And here's the other thing, Serena Fazan. Let me go to Cheryl McCollum, Director of Cold Case Research Institute and FYI, former director of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Georgia. Cheryl McCollum, I don't really need her B.A. breath alcohol, blood alcohol. her on a podcast ranting and carrying on about F the cops, how much they're not wanted, how much she doesn't want them in her neighborhood, how much they deserve what they get. And the whole time she's throwing back liquor. I don't need that. I can see it on her podcast. Cheryl, take a listen to our friends again at Fox 5. This is Robert Moses. Listen. According to the Queens District Attorney, Beauvais kept driving before exiting onto the Horace Harding Expressway. Officers caught up to her and surrounded her car, which she threw in reverse, ramming the police vehicle behind her twice before stopping and getting arrested.

Police say her blood alcohol content was.15, nearly twice the legal limit. And that magnifies this tragedy. Such a considerate man fell victim to utter callousness. Now his widow, Irene, and their six-year-old daughter and three-year-old son must carry on. They will never see their father again because somebody did the wrong thing. Okay. To Cheryl McCollum,.15. Isn't the legal limit.08 in that jurisdiction? .08.

Nancy, it's almost twice. But here's the thing. The last thing on that tape you just played, she says, I'm sorry. Was she sorry when she stopped by her house and grabbed that bottle of wine and the bottle of tequila and the vodka and the weed okay wait wait wait wait i'm drinking out of the fire hydrant again too much too fast what did you just say oh yeah she had wine tequila vodka and weed so not only is she doing shots on that podcast. Wine, tequila, vodka, and weed. Mm-hmm.

And she's admitted to all of that. So again, was she sorry then at 6.37 p.m.? And what was she doing after the two-hour podcast? Nancy, she goes from 8.30 p.m. to 2 a.m. She wasn't falling. What is she doing out at 2 a.m.? Just curious, not judging. What is she doing out at 2 a.m.? Do we have any idea? Anybody on the panel? What, going to the liquor store? I don't know. What? What is she doing at 2 a.m.? Driving drunk? And another thing, speaking of driving drunk, you're the former president, Mad Georgia, Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

So she gets off her podcast where she just tears the police apart, cursing them out, drinking the whole way through. Something had to keep her blood alcohol up to.15 until 2 o'clock in the morning, Cheryl McCollum. How much do you think she threw back? Oh, honey, she was steady having at it. There's no question about it because for that six and a half hours, she was not sobering up.

No way. She's driving around, I'm sure, listening to music, having a great old time. And where is her 13-year-old? And where is her 13-year-old child? You know what I mean? Let's talk about that. Is that Serena Fassan jumping in? Is that Serena?

Guys, we'll get to that. Where is her 13-year-old child during all of this? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about an officer, good as gold, Officer Anastasios Tsitsakos, New York PD, just 42 years old, father of two, husband, now dead. He was one of the many, many officers across this country. They're called traffic cops or motor men. He's out. He's out in the elements. He's working a crime scene where there was another vehicular homicide, 2 a.m., when his life explodes because

he literally collides with a 32-year-old woman, drunk cop hater, Jessica Buvo. Listen to this. Tequila, wine, vodka, marijuana. That's what police say the defendant was drinking and smoking in the hours before she got into her Volkswagen and killed a beloved highway patrolman. But now she says she's sorry. What are you sorry for? I'm sorry that I didn't mean what you said. That's what she told reporters in handcuffs. But earlier in the day, moments after getting arrested,ITNESS SAYS 32-YEAR-OLD JESSICA BOUVE HAD A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE.

AND THE LAST THING I HEARD WAS, ALL RIGHT, GET THE F OUT OF MY WAY OR STAY THE F OVER THERE, I DON'T CARE. NOW SHE'S FACING 13 CRIMINAL CHARGES AFTER RUNNING DOWN VETERAN NYPD HIGHWAY PATROLLMAN ANASTASIO SACOS EARLY TUos early Tuesday morning on the LIE. He was directing traffic after a previous fatal crash. A 26-year-old man died when the driver of an Infiniti slammed into a pole. Then Officer Sakos himself would die at the hands of a woman who admittedly hated the cops, posting this long rant on her Facebook page hours before the crash.

We're not scared of the police. We want you to know we don't give a f*** about you, your mama, your children, your wife. Isn't it true, Tim McEwen, former motor man, who was dragged along the highway working a scene, now lawyer, isn't it true that the judge will instruct the jury in this case? That one may immediately regret the deed, immediately regret the deed. But that does not negate the intent at the time of the incident. Isn't that true? Very true, Nancy.

All this crying and snotting and blubbering. How much do you think that has to do straight to you, Dr. Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist? What does that have to do with those handcuffs and the fact that she got caught? I mean, my thought is listening to her podcast, which I have done over and over and over. She's not sorry she did it. She's sorry she got caught. You make an excellent point, Nancy. It's going to be really, really hard for a mitigation expert or a defense attorney to argue with all of this video, audio evidence that just hours before she's ranting at the police.

If you're going to kill me, at least I get to take someone with me. If I got to go, someone's coming. I mean, this is really not at all helpful. She's slinging back the shots is what it looked like to me. And then when the police are doing the perp walk with her and she's in handcuffs, she's sobbing. So it's hours later, maybe she's sobered up a little and the reality of what she's facing has hit her. So even if she is truly has some level of sorrow for the fact that she killed someone, it's going to be really hard to separate how much of that sorrow is poor me, poor me. You know, Jessica Bivou, save the snot and the tears and the blubbering and the wiggledy chin.

Save it, because this is what I heard you say. Let's take a listen to cut three. Make them uncomfortable. The next time you see an officer pulling somebody over or being an otherwise a**hole as nosy as you b****es is and as nosy as you b****es is

in people's business on who's wearing what and who we look proper and who lashes is on fleek or not put your f***ing camera out. Stop just recording s*** like b****es fighting in the streets and put it on Instagram. I'm just saying, pull this s*** out. Like, let's start recording these people and start seeing what the f*** they really do.

And then start sending footage in. Don't just record s*** for the f***ing recording it. Make them uncomfortable. Y'all don't belong in the hood. The hood don't call the police. And the people in the f***ing hood the dude don't belong in the hood. Take that shit to Garden City, West Hempstead, Manhattan, Staten Island, wherever the fuck it is y'all keep all these people who are scared of anything.

Take that shit out there and keep your police out there. And while y'all in our neighborhoods, make them uncomfortable because we're not scared of y'all for real. That's the problem. I think they're scared of them for real. Y'all get killed for sneakers and drug transactions. You can't be scared of the police. I'm just saying.

Make them understand that. Back to special guest Tim McHugh and joining us and then following up with Cheryl McCollum. The three of us have worked every single part of Atlanta, from the rich people in North Fulton down to South Atlanta. And there is no place that does not need police. As you recall, Tim McEwen,

then APD motorman, now lawyer at lawyersforcops.com, the vast majority of victims I represented and victims you took care of were women, children, minorities that nobody seemingly would stand up for. And now this woman is saying, get the hay out of our neighborhood. That's that's not the consensus.

Trust me. She's she the consensus. Trust me. She's alone. And when I think about this officer, Anastasios Tsakos, Cheryl McCollum, we were talking about the 0.15 blood alcohol. How many drinks do you think she had? She probably had about 12. But listen, Nancy, she hit that man at such a high rate of speed that she cracked his grill, dented his hood, shattered his windshield, and then his head dented her roof. His entire body smashed that car to pieces. She catapulted him a hundred feet. So if I were a prosecutor, the very last thing I'd play for that jury is her saying, I don't give an F about you,

your wife, or your kids, because she sure as hell didn't. Trina Fazan, Emmy Award Award winning anchor and investigative reporter. I've seen a lot of vehicular homicide scenes. And the first time I saw it, I said, why are there shoes here? No, actually it's the second time because the first time I noticed it. The second time I thought that's just too much of coincidence, two vehicular homicide scenes, two sets of shoes. This officer was hit so hard he was knocked out of his knee-high motorman boots.

It's so disturbing, and it's such a picture that journalists do see that are on the scene. I can paint the picture of what I can imagine is happening in the newsroom. In the newsroom, you're listening to the scanners. The scanners are going off. They're hearing about a police officer. So of course you have immediately the newsroom, you know, calling in extra crews because something is very, very wrong. Anytime anybody is hit, it's horrible. But in a case like this, where you have a woman, you know, driving so drunk and plowing down a police officer who's already on a scene, once you arrive at that scene, you know, typically everything, of course, is always all roped off. But reporters, journalists have a little bit of a closer access. It's also the relationship that you make with police officers in the police department.

Right. But I honestly, as a journalist, that is your job. But the public should never, ever see anything so horrific. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. For those of you just joining us, Officer Anastasios Tzatzakos, New York PD, was killed on the Long Island Expressway by a drunk driver who had just finished her podcast ranting about her hatred for the police. As a matter of fact, take a listen to our cut for this is more of her comparing police officers to roaches in an infestation.

We're not scared of the police. Think I'm lying? Ask my son. I go into precincts and feel just as stupid as I do on the streets. It's not a one-sided thing. What happened? You can say s*** too. I'm from New York for real.

You don't reserve. I don't know where they came a thing. We want you to know we don't give a f*** about you, your mama, your children, your wife. You're nothing. You're nothing to us. Blood spray, roaches, infestation. You know, Dr. Kendall Crowns, it's very difficult for me to separate what I'm hearing her say from what she did by her own admission to this officer, this father, this husband. And my job doesn't require that I separate it because in my mind,

that shows intent and pure malignant heart, the abandoned and malignant heart required to show murder one, not necessarily intent to kill, but acting with a malignant heart, such as driving through a street fair at 90 MPH. That's an abandoned and malignant heart with a disregard for human life. You have to look strictly at the forensics. And can you tell me, Dr. Kendall Crowns, how his leg would have been severed, fly through the air and land, and the other officers go try to hide his leg from news cameras and rubberneckers and bystanders. So his children won't see that on the knees, their father's leg somewhere else because of this woman. How would your whole leg get severed? So when you're dealing with high rates of speed with vehicles, if she's going 90 miles

per hour. How can you be so calm? Just curious. How can you be so calm? Just curious. How? You got a cop that just gets his legs severed. It flies 100 feet in the air. He's knocked out of his boots. When you see a body like this, that doesn't make you mad? Unfortunately, Nancy, every case I do, I consider tragic. Everybody dies. And many people die in very tragic means. I can't get wrapped up in the emotion of it because it will obscure my ability to do my job and correctly get the cause and manner of death. So it helps these people along the lines.

So I separate it. But, yeah, sometimes it gets emotional. This is unfortunately an unpleasant case. But just going through the facts of it, she's going at a high rate of speed, highway speed, over highway speed, 90 miles per hour. When she strikes his leg, you know, your joint spaces aren't designed to take that much force. So what happens is if it isn't just the bone itself fracturing and severing, it rips out of the joint spaces and then comes free. So if you get a fracture

or it pulls along the joint spaces, it rips free. And because of the high rate of speed, it will fly through the air after the collision. So we see this quite often in pedestrians that are struck on the highways. Often both their legs will be severed or even they'll be cut in half. Guys, we were talking about the death of Officer Anastasios Tsakos. Back to you, Tim McEwen, former motorman, now attorney. When you are a highway patrol,

when you are a motor man, when you are a traffic cop, you face an entirely different risk set than normal cops face. Explain. Well, Nancy, you know, first of all, being a, well,

with the Atlanta Police Department, being an APD motor man is an honor. Um, if you get picked and you know, you ride a lot of times you ride alone and, you know, you experienced a lot of, you know, unsecured issues, you know, you don't know who you're stopping, but you know, you're on the highway and you're, you know, the traffic's out there. People don't see you a lot of times.

And it's a risky job. Just like the accident I had. I mean, I was lucky to survive, lucky to have the medical support I had put me back together. It's an honor to be a modern man. It really is. Nancy, could I bring up something that we haven't even really discussed, but something that I've been thinking about a lot. This woman, of course, had her podcast, right? You and I, as you and I both know, being in television, you, of course, on a much larger scale than myself, know that years ago, you had to tune into a station to watch the 6 p.m. news. You had to tune into the station to watch 5 p.m. or go to some of these channels.

Now we have everybody, so many people, able to do podcasts or able to go online and express their opinions. And that empowers them, right? That emboldens them. So you have this woman who is ranting and raving about police officers, the very men and women who risk their lives every single day to protect us, saying horrible and awful things. I feel that when you have that much power or you feel that you have that much power, it empowers you. She felt empowered. Maybe that fuels her to drink more. I don't know. I'm not a therapist. I'm not a psychologist, but I could just, but I could just see that. I could just see her sitting

at her computer, getting fueled by her own inappropriate words and her probably elevating herself to that star status. Does that make sense, Nancy? I know you can explain it much better than I'm explaining it. Let's go to forensic psychologist Dr. Sherry Schwartz. Wait here, doctor. Yeah, you're absolutely right. This is exactly what she did.

And as she was drinking and drugging, she was getting herself really worked up to a boiling point. And here's the dangerous thing that really strikes me. She created a stereotype of, in her mind, an out-group member, right? Police. The police are all bad. They're all this. In some ways, I think she pretty explicitly stated that she believed that they should

all die and who cares? Usually what happens in those cases, though, is when you get these individuals to take a pause and say, OK, but he has a wife who's a mom just like your mom. What about his children? What about he's a human being? And you can humanize the person to them and make them more similar and say, look, they might have a job that you disagree with, or you don't like the way some police have done the job, but look, we're not all that different. We're all still people. But she takes it that disturbing step further and says, who cares about his wife? So that's particularly troubling thinking. And I can't even as a forensic psychologist, I'm struggling a little bit to understand that level of hatred and anger.

Guys, I want you to take a listen to our Cut 11. Derek Waller, ABC 7. By all accounts, Officer Sacco's was a hero with a wife and two young children they'll never see again. His partner yelled out and other police officers were able to get out of the way but that didn't stop this defendant who ran. Loved ones speaking out including his brother who spoke to I with this news by phone. He didn't show this. He just bought a house. He was starting his life. Everything was doing good. Everything was cut short. That's it.

I can't believe it. It's shocking. I've been crying ever since I heard. Family man, friendly as could be, and the most hardworking person you'd ever want to meet. Police also say that Bouvet blew a.15 on the breathalyzer two hours after her arrest. Her driving record so bad, her license had been suspended. The mother of a 13-year-old boy now faces up to 15 years in prison. 15 years? What? What is the charge, Serena? It should be more. I mean, she's facing 13 counts, right?

What is the lead charge is my question. Is it vehicular homicide? Manslaughter. Vehicular manslaughter in DWI. No, no, no. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace timothy mckeown a former motorman now lawyer in light of her podcast why is this just a vehicular homicide why just 15 years her Her podcast shows malintent against police. Totally agree, Nancy. It should be, you know, I don't know what New York's, what their crime level is, manslaughter, murder. You know, I don't know. But it should be a lot more elevated than that.

I mean, Sharon McCollum, on 15 years, she'll be out in five. That's the deal. And we all know it. These children have a life sentence without their father. And she's going to be walking around, ranting against police officers in just five years, and we got to listen to it? I mean, Cheryl,.15, that's two hours after the crash, which means the blood alcohol had dissipated in her system, which means she would have blown even higher two hours before. Explain that. But here's the great news, Nancy.

The prosecutors can always add charges or upgrade when more evidence comes into play. But what happens is the alcohol gets straight into your bloodstream. So as time goes on, it dissipates as you urinate or sweat or throw up or whatnot, it will go away. So the fact that she was that high after that many hours means that she was probably more likely, you know, a 0.18 or a 0.20. You just don't know. But I want to, I want to piggyback on something y'all were talking about, about the way she's acting. I spent eight years at the Fulton County Jail. And I can tell you a lot of these OGs and gangstas, once they're in that jail cell, they start to cry.

And what she did, she was big and bad behind that microphone. But what happened once those handcuffs are on? Oh, she's sorry now she's crying. She ain't big and bad. They're weak. They're punks. And that's the reason they act like they do. They're bulletproof until all of a sudden the real police are responding to a real situation.

And they, like the name of her podcast, have to face the reality. Take a listen to our Cut 11a. This is Jessica Bouvet's police statement. Jessica, can you tell us what happened? Jessica, what happened? Where are you coming from? I'm sorry. What are you sorry for?

I'm sorry that I didn't know you said. What do you want to say to the officer's family? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Where were you coming from? I was coming from the school. I didn't touch her. The reality is, is that she hit a vehicle, reversed, going about 90 mph, pot, to then go get your car keys,

to then go to your car, crank up your car, put it in reverse, put it in drive, get out on the highway at 2 a.m. in the morning. All of those are intentional acts. And it is only when we treat these cases as murder, a felony murder, a DUI felony death, will this ever stop. I wonder how her family is feeling right now. You know, I mean, she's also a mother of a child, too. So many, that child now. And believe me, I'm not at all, as you know, I'm on this poor, poor officer's side in his family. But now take a look at her 13-year-old son.

Well, let's go back to that. She got in trouble starting in 2015 for not paying the DMV. They suspended her license only after years of her not paying. She hasn't cared. She put that child in a car knowing she had a suspended license. She's probably driven drunk with that child on multiple occasions. I mean, what are the stats, Cheryl McCollum? It's not just you spouting it out.

Statistics show that for every time a DUI is stopped, how many times have they driven drunk? At least 50, Nancy. 50, 5-0, 50. 29 people a day die because of impaired driving. That's 10,000 people a year, and we don't think that's an epidemic? How many officers dead will it take before cases like this are treated as murder? What about a Virginia police officer dragged along on a traffic stop? Take a listen to Cut 12. This is Chelsea Donovan, WTKR News 3. January 23rd, 2020. End of watch for Officer Katie Thine. as we go forward, the days will be challenging fighting back tears. A raw, unfiltered Chief Steve Drew remembers a 24 year old full of life and spirit. If you ever met her, if you ever saw her, all she did was smile. You almost start to laugh at her

because she was always smiling. A bright shining light who was sworn in just last June. Catherine wore her badge until thurs was killed in the line of traffic stop. She wanted and she wanted to do it i of drugs near monitor Mar Park prompted two officer

being one. The officers a within a split second, tragedy, as the driver hit the gas. She was drug outside the vehicle for about a block. The vehicle came to rest as it smashed into a tree. Another motor cop dragged along. Officers that are not in their car, they're not sitting behind a desk. They're not inside of a structure. They are out in the elements doing their job and they die. When you hear this woman, Jessica Beauvau's podcast, ranting about how much she hates the cops, how much she wants them dead, comparing them to roaches infesting her neighborhood, then goes right out and runs one down,

and then blubbers and cries about it for the TV cameras. I'm not buying that. You just heard about yet another cop dragged at the scene. Well, that was in Florida. Take a listen to this. We're getting our first look tonight at body camera footage of a New York police lieutenant being dragged during a traffic stop in Brooklyn. The cop talking to a driver just before four this morning in the Brownsville

section. Suddenly the car takes off in reverse. The cop with injuries to his arms and his legs. Police later arrested 32-year-old Takeem Newsom on Long Island. That's Bill Ritter, ABC7. Oh, yeah, and by the way, he was recently arrested in North Carolina and extradited back for a prior shooting and was released on bail. Nancy, can I interject something? Please do. Is that Dr. Kendall Crowns? I was just about to ask you about her body weight and being.15. She looks very slight. But go ahead with your thought, please. Well, it's just so listening to the video and her rant about the

law enforcement. And then, you know, very shortly thereafter, she ends up killing an officer. The thing, the problem I have is if you take the car out of the equation and turn it into a gun and she goes and shoots an officer, you would call it homicide. I still feel like a car is a weapon and you can use it to kill people. So to me, listening to her video and her vile hatred that she's spewing about law enforcement and then an officer ends up dead shortly thereafter. Yes, I understand she's intoxicated, but often, you know, alcohol gives you liquid courage. So you end up doing something dumb or something you wouldn't have done otherwise. So to me, it's difficult to separate that case and just say, oh, well, it's an accident. It's almost to me, it sounds like a homicide. Of course, I don't know how the medical examiner in New York signed it out, but it's very questionable if you could rule that an accident because it's a car, it gets kind of in some people feel, oh, well, you know,

her intention probably wasn't to kill him. You got to wonder with all that she's saying on that video, if her intention was not to hit an officer, because obviously they were out there. Obviously, there was lights and people moving around. And yes, I understand she's heavily intoxicated. But still, you got to wonder if she didn't intentionally hit him. Nancy, can I please jump in? Hold on just one moment. Dr. Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner. Austin, you're preaching to the choir. I must say, I have to say this, Nancy, that is something I never thought of, but that really,

wow. He's right, Tim McEwen. He's's absolutely right we've heard of death by mercedes where the dentist wife rode over the dentist and then backed up over him and killed him we've heard of it so many times and we also know legally reasoning that voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not a defense. So why is it that a vehicular homicide DUI is treated so much like almost like an involuntary manslaughter? If drinking and dope is not a defense under the law, then why is this treated differently when your weapon is a car and not a gun what were you saying cheryl mccollum i was saying he's absolutely right nancy because if you said we have a rape he can't say hey i was drunk or if you have any other situation where somebody is killed and drive by shooting hey we were just

smoking weed we didn't mean to kill anybody doesn't matter it's murder does not matter it's this twisted bastardizing of what should be moral and right and legal. The fact that you're drunk now almost absolves you of the murder. Well, as one family prepares for a funeral for a husband, a father, this woman is preparing her death dance, and you better bet your bottom dollar that podcast will be coming into evidence. And do not plead this out cheap. As a matter of fact, I call for an enhancement of the charges. We are watching. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye.