Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - EPSTEIN BOMBSHELL: 'MISSING MINUTE' OF PRISON VIDEO REVEALS MOVEMENT AROUND CELL BEFORE DEATH

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

The so-called "missing minute" from the security camera video of the jail tier where sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein died has been found and made public. This as new New Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell survivors speak out.  The survivors say they are compiling their own list of Epstein's associates, forming their own black book to distribute to the public, even as they call for lawmakers to release more files. On Tuesday evening, 33,000 pages and several videos were made public by the House of Representatives Oversight Committee, which had subpoenaed the DOJ. Two members of the House, Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Democrat Ro Khanna of California, are trying to force a vote on compelling the DOJ to release all documents.  Speaking at an event in Washington DC, the survivors called for the release of all Epstein files as victims describe the 'disturbing world' of Jeffrey Epstein. Annie Farmer, now 46, says she was taken to New Mexico at 16 and her sister reported the abuse, but nothing was done. During the presser, victims stood in front of a sign that read: "Epstein Files Transparency Act," the name of a bill that some lawmakers want to pass in Congress. Joining Nancy Grace today, Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on PEACOCK,  www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive  Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation,  Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org,  X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors  Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue”, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)  Barry Levine - Author of “The Spider: Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,” and Veteran Investigative and Editor in Print and Television Sydney Sumner- Crime Stories Investigative Reporter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Epstein bombshell, the so-called missing minute, a prison video miraculously is found, and it reveals movement around Epstein's cell just before his death. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Lies, lies, lies.

What are they hiding? Did you know the existence of any such list? There is no list. To be short, there is no list, there's no client list, nothing like that. No, there's nothing like that. You know. That are, obviously. Bombshell, the so-called missing minute of Epstein jailhouse video has been.

found. Let's see the video. The video that we have been told was just a glitch. Well, that's not true. That has been disproven. We were told over and over by the U.S. Attorney General Bondi that the missing minute was not missing at all. It was all just a, quote, jump, a jump for the daily reset that happened every 24 hours. That was a lie. Joining us an All-Star panel to make sense of what we know tonight, this as Epstein victims, Storm D.C., demanding justice, claiming that they and their so-called clients, the abusers, the abusers, are in those documents. Well, then there is a client list.

Straight out to Barry Levine, joining us, author of a now bestseller, The Spider, inside the tangled web of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell, veteran investigative and print reporter, at Capitol Hill yesterday when the victims stormed D.C. First, Barry, before I get to the victims. Well, this proves, that we have been lied to, as if we didn't already know that.

There is a missing minute, and it shows a cluster of activity around Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell. Other video that has also been released shows him, pursuant to what witnesses have said that have been discounted, being taken to the bathroom to make a cell phone call from the bathroom. I mean, this is so incendiary, but I want to get to the missing minute. Barry, what do you make of it other than Bondi flat out line right to our face? Well, Nancy, I have to tell you that I have completely lost all trust in in terms of the government, in terms of this investigation. I don't know how we go from where we are to where we need to be. All I can think of is that at this point, we need to have some type of special

prosecutor, an independent prosecutor brought in that can bring together all of this, bringing in independent forensic video experts. Let's take this video apart second by second. Let's enhance it. Let's do what we have to do to see exactly what we have to work with here. And I have to tell you, Nancy, that the statements, that the conflicting statements that have come out of the Department of Justice related to this specific video have tied themselves up in knots. This is a situation that needs complete unraveling, and it's a, it's turned into an absolute circus. I can't believe that the department. this video reveals, Barry, what do you believe other than Pam Bondi is totally lying? I mean, that's been clear from the beginning. I don't like attacking our government, the administration

that the people elected. I don't like that. But she lied. She told us first, the client list was on her desk. I'm going to play that. I've got her on video saying that. Then she says there is no client list. Then all of the lies about there is no missing minute, a video, this man was killed, okay? He did not commit suicide. Now we find out missing time on that video not only was concealed, but they lied about it. And of course, Barry, hold on just a moment to Greg Morris joining me, a veteran criminal defense attorney, author of The Untested on Amazon. on. Greg, before you attack what I'm saying, haven't you found it to be true, whether when you were a prosecutor or now, when someone is lying about something, that usually

indicates a nefarious purpose. Why lie about it? If they weren't worried about it, why lie to my face and say it didn't exist, it didn't happen, it was just a jump, a glitch in the system, that's total BS and they've had this all along Greg all along look I'm not asking you to take a political side because I don't care about politics what I'm saying is they had the video they lied about the video and it shows a cluster of movement around Epstein's cell at the time he was killed you're absolutely right um it there there's something is covered up here now it may turn out that it's an innocuous thing that created created this glitch. But it's also interesting to note that the part that was missing is where there's movement. The whole night, there's no movement of the guards, really. And then all of a sudden, the one minute, so yes, you're 100% right. There is something, and I'm an expert in digital evidence. I speak on it around the country. This is an easy thing to see. And it's also the government's excuse that it was a general time glitch because they re-record. It doesn't

make any sense, given when the time was missing. So, of course, something's excluded. It's been uncovered. That tells you that something is being hidden here, whether it's to a crime or not, something is being hidden here, absolutely. You know, the cover-up points to a nefarious intent. Because as you just pointed out, which I find very, very probative morse, it's not just somebody going by with a trash can. It's not nothing where everything is calm and quiet and there's no movement. It's actually movement around his cell. That's bad, Morse. It's very bad.

And they also, the way it was described is it looks like the person is going out of what they call the shoe, the special housing unit. Yet you don't know that. They could have easily gone to a cell. So that explanation tells me even more support that this was done intentionally because they're trying in real time to fix the problems with the full video. So yeah, it's a cover up. There's no reason to do this. Exactly. And again, I don't care, red, blue, Democrat, Republican. What I care about is that we are being lied to in what I believe to be a murder investigation. And as the victims point out in D.C. in the last hours, why is Jeffrey Epstein being protected? Why is it shrouded in secrecy when the victims are not being protected? I want to go straight out to Dr. Kendall Crowns joining us, Chief Medical Examiner Taryn. County host of a new hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morg, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of

Medicine at TCU, Dr. Kendall Crowns, the one thing, well, among so many that has disturbed me from the beginning is the ligature mark on Epstein's neck. Okay. I'm taking everybody to DC in just a moment. We're going to hear everything that the victims had to say. But regarding Epstein of why this missing moment is so important. The ligature mark, as you and I have discussed, Dr. Kendall Crowns, is not in the traditional use shape or smiley face when someone commits suicide by hanging or even moving forward while seated. Okay. We see a directly horizontal line, which indicates, in every case I've ever investigated, ligature strangling straight across, likely from behind,

and that is opposed to a hanging mark that you get when the victim hangs themselves. Thoughts. Well, I mean, that's exactly correct. When you have a horizontal line, it's more like someone took a ligature and grabbed it behind their neck and pulled. Whereas when you're hanged, the ligature has kind of an uppercule. an upward canting V-shaped structure to it because there's a suspension point above your head

and the ligature is pulling up. So you will see that change in shape. And when we see the flat or horizontal line that you're describing, that is more indicative of someone being strangled with a ligature from behind and less indicative of a hanging. And it is very questionable because how would that have happened? Dr. Kendall Crowns, another question. How long at The minimum does it take for someone to die by asphyxiation? About three to five minutes or so, somewhere in there. You can go 10 to 30 seconds with out air and you'll go unconscious. Then your body will be sitting there in the throes of lack of oxygen for the next three to five minutes and you'll be brain dead.

I've never heard of anyone other than expert divers that could go without oxygen for five minutes. you're saying that would be that would be correct that's important what we're looking at right now hold on dr crowds everybody on the panel look at your screen right now because i'm going to circle back to how unorthodox what you're seeing right now is i've been in i don't even know how many cis correctional institutes this is not allowed nobody no prisoners allowed to have this much material in their cell because it is a threat it is a suicide or homicide threat to the cell mate, the cell individual, or people even walking by can be strangled with this. This is totally, totally disallowed. Look at this. That's absolutely not kosher. That is not allowed in any facility, but it was for Jeffrey Epstein, or was it? Okay, back to you, Dr. Kilwell-Kron.

I'm going to address what we're seeing in the cell in just a moment. moment, but Dr. Crowns, you're telling me a human can go five full minutes, not a deep sea diver, skin diver, but a regular person, Epstein's age, completely out of shape, can go five minutes without breathing. So, no, I was giving you a range of individuals, but someone of Epstein's age probably has smoked, I would say three minutes and under before he's dead. There you go. That is traditional thinking regarding how long a human can live without oxygen. Three minutes. Back to Barry Levine joining us.

I want to follow up on what Dr. Crowns just said, Levine. We're missing that we know of one minute. All this cluster activity around Epstein's cell around the time he died. There was time for him to be strangled, for him to be asphyxiated. Listen, Nancy, as I said, we need to do a new investigation into his death. We need, as I called in the New York Times opinion section recently, we need to see not only the Epstein files, the investigative files, all the stuff that was on the computers and the CDs. Okay, you know what?

You are preaching to the choir right now. If anybody else says we need to see the files, I'm holding them in contempt. Of course, we need to see the files. What I'm saying is this time period when people were clustered around his cell, why was this held away from us? Why is it just now coming out? What, if anything, does it reveal? Sidney Sunro joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter.

Hey, Sidney, listen to this. The House Oversight Committee has released over 33,000 pages of Epstein-related records and dozens of video and audio recordings associated with the investigation. Though committee members have warned that in addition to heavy redaction, over 97% of the release is already public, those diving into the files have discovered interesting bits in the 3% that is new. Most interesting, the missing minute of the MCC surveillance footage has been found. Hold on, Sid. Barry Levine, did they think we wouldn't notice if they dump thousands, 33,000 pages of documents on us? though we won't notice the missing minute buried in there. First of all, at least 97% of that release was already out there.

So why bother? Did they think we wouldn't see the missing minute in there? Listen, Nancy, this is all part of a cover-up. We need complete transparency. We need to know did they do DNA testing on the bed sheets? We know that there were at least five nooses that he or somebody made in that jail cell. And one of them, of course, he was found hanging, which was how the prison officers found him when they entered the cell in the morning to give him breakfast. But there were at least four other nooses that had been made.

We need to know if there was DNA testing done on these nooses. Why did he have so many orange bed sheets in his cell? Why was the breathing apparatus that he had for sleep apnea, which he did. could have also used, or somebody could have used to strangle him in terms of that long court. Why was that there unattended? We have a great deal of questions. We haven't seen the autopsy report. We haven't seen the investigative file that the authorities created after his death to answer some of these questions. So what I'm saying is the missing minute is the, is now the alarm going off. This is a serious, serious situation that,

the government needs to address and needs to tell us why that was held back what it shows and as your guest was saying we need digital. Look what we've had to go through just to get the minute, Barry. Hey, Sidney Sumner, I want to follow up on what

Barry is saying and I want to see the video. Okay? The video we're talking about. Sydney Sumner, what does the video depict? Well, according to the government, the video depicts the material handler, this unnamed employee who was also on shift at the time of Tova

Noel, leaving to go home. So they are claiming that this is an employee who just finished his shift and is heading home for the night and he walks off screen toward the main interests of the shoe and does not approach Epstein's cell. That's what they tell us is happening. But of course, the angle of this video is just absolutely horrible. It really doesn't show us much of anything. So it's really unclear if he did head out the main entrance of the shoe, or could that person have gone up to where Epstein was being housed? We don't know. Well, Sidney Sumner, obviously there is more than one person in that area around Epstein's cell.

It's not just one person leaving for the night. There are more people there. And what we are being told is there is a cluster of movement outside Epstein's cell. Well, so what we can see in the video, these are the bottom of the stairs leading up to Epstein's cell block. So we can just barely see a sliver of that staircase. And earlier in the previous release of this surveillance video, we all saw that orange blob. And again, they told us that that person was actually heading up toward that. cell block carrying um it was an employee apparently carrying inmate linens or an inmate uniform and of course

we're all screaming BS that's somebody in an inmate uniform walking up that staircase so it's a very unclear angle but you're right it doesn't look like just one person so this new explanation for what's happening in the missing minute and they haven't provided as an explanation as to why Bondi lied about this, of course. But that's what they're claiming is happening. Just one employee heading home for the night. All along, we have had nothing but lies. Lies.

So the question is, why? Listen. What you're going to see hopefully tomorrow is a lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information. But it's pretty sick what that man did. A source had told me where the documents were being kept. Southern District of New York, shock. So we got them all by hopefully all of them. Friday at 8 a.m., thousands of pages of documents.

I have the FBI going through them. Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents. From our friends at Fox. Galane Maxwell, are we going to believe her? She denies as a client list. She denies there was traffic. She's denying every single thing. There is no list.

There is no, I'm not aware of any blackmail. I never heard, I never heard that, I never saw it and I never, I never imagined it. Many, not all, are the obscene victims storming D.C. This weekend, demanding justice. Listen to just one of them. I was only 14 years old when I met Jeffrey. It was the summer of high school. the summer of high school, I was working three jobs to try to support my mom and my sister

when a friend of mine in the neighborhood told me that I could make $300 to give another guy a massage. It went from a dream job to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey assistant Leslie Groff would call me and tell me that I needed to be at the house so often that I ended up dropping out of high school before ninth grade. And I never went back. from 14 to 17 years old I went and worked for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education every day I hope that he would offer me a real job

as one of his assistant or something important I would finally have made it big as like we say the American dream that day never came I had no way I had no way out I was

until you finally finally told me that I was too old. She was too old. He started having sex with her. That's statutory right. When she's 14 years old, then she, what, aged out? That from at Rep. Thomas Massey on X. Dr. Bethany Marshall, before I go to Barry Levine, who was there in the midst of the victim speaking out,

Dr. Bethany, renowned psychoanalyst out of L.A. You can see her on Peacock. She is author of Deal Breaker, and you can find her at Dr. Bethany Marshall.com. Dr. Bethany Marshall. So when she said, I wanted a real job, I would finally have made it big, the American dream. So this little girl 14, hoping to one day make it big with a billionaire endured statutory rape for three years before she aged out. And then he tipped her like you'd leave a 20 at the Waffle House, seriously? This is the type of predating pattern that Gailen Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein engaged in. They went out and they found underage girls who were from families who had lower socioeconomic

economic status because they could lure those girls in more easily and it's very typical with pedophiles that when the child ages out, they go to increasingly younger victims. Aging out. Aging out to Lynn Shaw, joining us, founder and director of Lynn's warriors dedicated to ending sex trafficking of girls and women. I'm going to go back to Bethany in a moment, Lynn, but aging out. I want you to explain what this woman is saying Marina LeCirdo, what she

was saying, she's now an adult, she was a child victim of statutory rape, repeat rape by Epstein, he pled guilty and got a swat on the hand down in Florida. Thanks, Acosta. All of this has been

corroborated, and her name and other clients associated with her have got to be in those files, but I want you to explain why, from what you know, battling sex trafficking, she's telling the truth. She is absolutely telling the truth. I have waited for this day, Nancy, because what we've been witnessing over all these years is nothing short of an S-H, fill-in-the-blank, fill-in-the-blank show. Okay, aging out. A common phrase is used in sex trafficking. We have always heard about minors involved with Maxwell.

with Jeffrey Epstein. It's hard for me to even say their names. Yet there was little coverage about the minors at all. So now we finally have this coming forward. This is a common tactic. Getting in with those young vulnerable girls, 11, 12, 13, 14, stringing them along. And then when they hit 16, 17, definitely 18, aged out. You are too old. You are thrown aside like an old shoe in the street. I am tired of this. I am tired of this lie after lie after lie with this case. Let's bring it forward. And I'll tell you, this crime is too big, too ugly. It is not going to disappear because we have strong survivors. We have advocates like Lynn's warriors that are standing up to all of this and this will not go away. So as far as A.G. Bondi, Cash Patel with the FBI, they have opened a

can of worms and it's only going to get worse from here. But I want to leave with this thought for everybody. Please, we must thank and commend these strong now women coming forward, sharing bravely, because this is the hardest thing working with victims and survivors they tell me to actually in public tell their stories. So let's all thank them, but let's hear more about the minors and let's get the files. I'm so tired of this file talk. What is going on here? Everything's redacted anyway. Let us put the emphasis on the survivors, the victims of these two criminals and let's get going. Let us end this once and for all. Dr. Bethany, Marshall, the theory of aging out. What I'm doing right now, Dr. Bethany, is,

I'm looking for corroboration. Corroboration of what these now adult victims are saying. Number one, what she, Marina LeCherdo and the others described, is textbook trafficking of young girls. Textbook. Every word she said, I'm like, yep, check, check, check. Of the sex trafficking in statutory rape cases, I investigated and prosecuted. Could you explain the veracity what she's saying?

why it's true that she says she waited and waited and waited for her big break and kept screwing Epstein, ugh, an old man naked on a massage table and Galane Maxwell brings her in there like the Thanksgiving turkey. Then she says as she's waiting for her big break putting up with Epstein's sex advances, rape. He tells her she ages. out i mean that's real bethany what is that well what it is is it confirms that epstein is a pedophile because pedophiles are only attracted to children right so what happens is when the child gets older the pedophile is no longer attracted so the pedophile has to kick that person out and go to a newer younger victim and in terms of this being like sex trafficking it is classic because here's what

sex traffickers do they find a victim whose parents are too busy working or a victim who needs money they lure that person in with false promises that they are going to take care of them once the victim is ensnared in the web then they begin to predate on the victim rape the victim have other people rape the victim but then they pass the child around so that they can get financial benefit off of the And what we see with all those transfers going in and out of accounts to Russia and all the clients that are being brought in, Jeffrey Epstein is now handing. Let me narrow my question. Okay. Dr. Bethany, isn't it true that child molesters pedophiles, each one has a certain age range in which they are interested? It could be babies. It could be infants that they want to molest. It could be top. toddlers from one to three. It could be school girls in their little uniform at age five. It could be boys at that age. Or it can be pre-pubescent girls from 11 to just say 15, 16,

that age. And they do not vary unless they have to. So when this now adult victim says, He told me, after three years of raping me, I aged out. Isn't it true, Dr. Bethany, that that is consistent with pedophilic behavior? That is consistent with pedophilic behavior. And it also tells us what age group he was predating upon because she was 14 years old. So now we have a marker. Now we know his type. And you are absolutely correct.

Pedophiles have one age group, one type. His type. his type. You're, and I'm not saying you're wrong, but to say his type. These are girls. These are the age of my Lucy. His type. And I notice what about this, Dr. Bethany, to corroborate what these women are now saying,

Levine heard it all. Remember, just the other day, we reported, and you and I analyzed, Gilae Maxwell saying, yeah, I didn't really have sex with him that much because he had a condition. Yeah, he was a pedophobic. file. He didn't have sex with adult woman that clearly loved him. He didn't want that. Oh, H-E-O-N-O. He wanted these little girls. He couldn't. I don't know how to say it. He couldn't get an erection with a grown woman. It had to be a little girl. When the little girl ages out, hey, hit the road. Well, Nancy, that's what we call it perversion. Perversion is when you cannot get

aroused through sex with the same age partner. You only have to go towards children or something other than a partner, like a whip or a chain or a shoe or something like this. So this is a classic perversion. And what he did was he brought these little girls in. He predated upon them when they were at their most vulnerable age. But he also, they probably also groomed and stalked these little girls so that they really could not get out of the web. So yes, now we have the marker 14 years old. Now we know how they did it. It's just it's all out there. This whole thing was manufactured. I believe it's literally a fake photo. Galeen Maxwell is a court-proven liar. Why is this liar being allowed to rewrite history when we have a whole trial proving that almost

everything she says is 100% a lie? I would like to announce here today. us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list we know the names many of us were abused by them now together as survivors we will confidentially

compile the names we all know who regularly who are regularly in the Epstein world and it will be done by survivors and for survivors no one else is involved that from at rep Thomas Massey

on X, you are seeing the survivors in D.C. in the last days demanding justice. Now, why do rape victims have to ban together and ask our federal government to quit lying? They are now getting together and compiling a client list. You know, the one that we've just been told, yeah, that doesn't exist. But whoa, whoa, whoa, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't Bondi State? had the client list right there on her desk. Listen. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. That from our friends at Fox News sitting on my desk right now. Then we're told there is no client

list. You want to tell me those little girls, now adult women, don't know who. was raping them? Barry Levine, help me, help me now. Isn't it true Levine that based on your research? And you didn't make this up. You got this from banks. You got it from flight logs. You got it from individuals all the way up the chain at the U.S. Virgin Islands under our jurisdiction. that Epstein flew and ferried little girls and delivered them to adult males like they were pizzas. Just here, here you go, here's the 14-year-old, and the little girls were on this island you're looking at right there. And one of them even tried to swim off and couldn't make it. Isn't that true?

And you want to tell me, Levine, nobody knows all those freaky old guys name. Nancy, they do know these names. And the fact that the government isn't investigating these third parties is absolutely disgusting. I was at the press conference. I was with the women. The best thing that came out of it was the fact that they themselves are going to draw up a list of men who need to be investigated. And I asked Congressman Massey after the press conference, I said, will you do with that list? And he said, Marjorie Taylor Green has volunteered to read that list

on the House floor, and he said that he told me that he would be proud to also read that list. He said, if it's red on the House floor, there's legal protections given them for naming these names. But we need to do this. It's sad that we're at this point now that it's going to take the survivors themselves to draw up the list again because the government. Hey, I've got another idea, Levine. Here's an idea. I'm not sure the legal way around it, but there is a legal way around it. And Morse is going to help me with that.

Sydney Sumner, based on what Barry Levine, incredible about guys, the spider inside the tangled web of Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell. Sydney, you and I spoke to a civil. civil lawyer that represented nine and counting of Epstein, then little girl victims. They entered into civil suit settlements. Look at that smug face of his. If I could just rip his lips off. Civil settlements and those girls could name corporate, I guess you would say, clients of Epstein's that raped the little girls.

But he was bound by attorney-client privilege. When they took the settlement, they were bound with an NDA, could never state the names of the men that raped them. Remember him? Absolutely. And while that was a step forward to justice for these girls, it was a huge injustice now. How many people are walking around having been a part of Jeffrey Epps?

sex trafficking rank who have rate minor girls as young as 14 years old. That's a freshman in high school, maybe. How many people are walking around now with no consequences because of how this case was handled, how these ladies had to seek justice through civil means? It's horrifying. The attorney, Spencer Cuban, representing nine of these little girls, and he knows the girls have named Epstein's clients. They were handed over to these guys like pizzas. Bondi telling me there is a client list.

Now she's saying there's not a client list. Now all the victims banding together saying they're going to create a client list from their own memory. Greg Morse, is there any way to defeat? that attorney-client privilege. Now, we know that the girls can waive the privilege if they want to. They're the client. They can waive it. So what would hold back?

Spencer Cuban from releasing those names or the girls releasing those names. Well, it is just that. I mean, the attorney-client privilege survives death. We got that ruling by the Supreme Court during, I believe, the Clinton error. So there is no way for Dr. Colvin, who's a very good lawyer, an excellent lawyer in civil matters to just break through the attorney client privilege and as a lawyer why would you do that you you're bound by your client and you should always know put your clients first the client can break it morse the client can and can of course client can and as far as these NDAs it depends what is there

a financial penalty in it does anyone care about it that sign the agreement you may be able to look at I don't know the verbiage of the agreement but if there's something with not getting these formal records from the government that they anticipated, you could maybe use that, although I don't think the government's a part of any of those settlements. I don't think that NDAs apply to crimes, to violent crimes. Like, you can't sign off. I will never reveal that you raped me. An NDA applies civilly.

An NDA does apply civilly, but there's no criminal action here. I mean, the DOJ is not going to investigate this at all. Statutory rape is not a crime to you? No, no, no, no. It's not going to be investigated. Statutory raid is not a crime. Okay, whoa, what? No, it is a crime, but you're leaving out the practical aspect of who would investigate this, the federal government that is now run by Pam Bondi and Donald Trump. So you have a different situation here when you think someone's just going to come in and get a list and file charges against people. This has been there for 20 plus years. It has not been done. No one has filed it. I live in this jurisdiction. I was practicing law when Jeffrey Epstein's case went on. He had a phenomenal local lawyer down here, phenomenal lawyer.

And at the end of the day, nothing was done. And all these years later, because there's a press conference. Hold on. I got to go to Levine real quick and follow up on what you're saying. You know, earlier, Bethany and Lynn Shaw were congratulating these women now coming forward. But Levine, this is my fear. We already know of multiple suicides estimates between five and 20. Yeah, 20.

Suicides connected to this case, including Epstein's, including Virginia Jafre. Can they really all be suicides? Now, these women are speaking out. That's Jafray when she was a little girl, when she began being molested by Epstein. Barry Levine, I don't want any of these women to end up dead and looking like a suicide. That's a fear. I can't believe we were ever saying this. It's like we're living in Moscow

and we're afraid witnesses are going to fall out of a window. What the hay is going on? Nancy, and I also want to correct one of your earlier guests. There were girls as young as 12 years old who were put on planes to the Virgin Islands. There were enablers. They were men in these Eastern European countries who took money from Jeffrey Epstein.

Senator Ron Wyden is going down the financial trail. He said there's 4,700 wire transfers totaling $1 billion that was moved through Russian banks. Money was exchanged hands. There are financial records that can be tapped here to go after not only the men who took part in the sex trafficking, but the enablers, the men who put these girls on planes who need to be prosecuted. We need to get to the bottom of all of this. and we also need to protect each and every one of these survivors. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last days, Epstein's now adult victims take on D.C. demanding justice. Listen.

There are many pieces of my story that I can't remember, no matter how hard I try. The constant state of wonder. causes me so much fear and so much confusion. My therapist says that my brain is just trying to protect the self, but it's so hard to begin to heal knowing that there are people out there who know more about my abuse than I do. The worst part is that the government is still in possession right now of the documents and information about the documents

and information about that could help me remember and get over all of this maybe and help me heal. They have documents with my name on them that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help me put the pieces of my own life back together, but I don't have any of it.

And I know the same is true for many of these women. That from at rep Thomas Massey on X. Dr. Bethany, in a nutshell, isn't it true when a young person or any person lives through a highly traumatic event, such as being statutorily raped? You lose memory before, during, and after. You can lose memory before, during, and after. And what she is saying, and that is Marina LaCherdo speaking in Epstein victim, is that the answers to some of those questions are in these files. That's right. And she needs to see those files. And not only do we lose memory,

when we are, again, raped or predated upon. But these girls are experiencing something called cumulative trauma, where they're being re-traumatized by the U.S. government, by knowing that these men who raped them are still walking around. And when, right, so this is like a big trauma situation for them. And also for trauma victims, anything that is remotely similar to the original trauma reignites panic attacks. Exactly, exactly. That was in a nutshell because I want you to hear another victim. This is Annie Farmer.

My name is Annie Farmer, and I was 16 years old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend a weekend with Epstein and Maxwell. That same year, 1996, my sister, Maria Farmer, reported what happened to me there, along with reporting her own assault at their hands and their theft of sensitive photos of herself, of me, and our younger sister that she had taken for her work as a figurative painter. I am now 46 years old. 30 years later, we still do not know why that report wasn't properly investigated or why Epstein and his associates were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands, of other girls and young women. We have never been told whether those images were found

when they discovered a large amount of child sexual abuse material on his property. That from at rep Thomas Massey on. X. Now, having dealt with so many child rape and child molestation victims, I would sometimes have to pull my car over on the street when I left the courthouse and just almost feel sick or cry or try to figure out what I had just seen with victims and all of their pain. Think of these thousands of victims, literally thousands of victims that when you're through this as children. Listen to

Halie Robson. And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein undressed and asked me to do things to him. My eyes welled up with tears and I have never been more scared

in my life. When it was over, he paid me $200 and requested in exchange that I bring a girl each time to make another $200. $100. I told him I did not want to do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I felt in hope to never hear from him again, but he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful, and he would not let me go. I felt I had no choice. If I disobeyed him, I knew something bad would happen.

That from at rep Thomas Massey on X. Barry Levine, dear Lord in heaven, help us. These, describe the saying. You were there when all of these victims were speaking out. And it's just happened. And it's like, Bonnie's not even responding to it. Nancy, these women now have taken it upon themselves because the government has been lying to us. They have refused to release the files. They've given us to run around as to the material that they've put out to the committee. 97% of it is in the public domain already. they're at wits end, but what they have is the ability to come together among themselves and appeal to the country. And yesterday at the press conference, they were able to stand together and to show the American

public that they are not a hoax that what happened to them was real. And as to Gillane Maxwell, who has just been moved to a cushy, prison. It's more like a dormitory. This is what a victim in Iska de Giorgio has to say about Maxwell. If Gillesne Maxwell were pardoned, it would undermine all the sacrifices I made to testify and make mockery of mine and all survivors suffering. That from at rep Thomas Massey on X, Galane Maxwell. Lynn Shaw, founder, director Lynn's warriors, dedicated to stopping sex Traffking. She is in a cushy dorm style penitentiary with, for Pete's sake, a real housewife jogging and having cooking classes. She is a child sex predator. If this woman gets a pardon,

there will be a march on Capitol. Galene Maxwell can never receive a pardon. We work with a lot of these victims of theirs, of Epstein Maxwell, we know a lot of them. When she was transferred recently to this cushy compound she's in where she can go out and get coffee in town or a library book, this is what forced. These women, they said, we have to do something more. Look what's happening. What a disservice our American government is doing right now. This is not about politics. This is about truth and transparency. Two, human trafficking that we fight at the warriors day in and day out for victims. She is a predator, a criminal, Galane Maxwell, and she is a sex trafficker, and she's getting special services, and I'm sure she's getting her vegan meals, whatever she's

doing there, her spa. We know she has a spa available to her. I ask you, this is what made these women come forward. Where are we going now with this? Because the track record has been lies after lies after lies. But thank goodness for these internet sleuths who don't let anything get by them and saw this new video, this minute missing, where are we going now? I fear for the victims. I fear for these survivors because they are very fragile. They're very traumatized. They break out into crying when we talk to them because nobody has really, really helped them.

And I just bring you back to one thing, Virginia Joufrey. We were told she committed suicide. End a story, closed book. There are so many more women out there that have not come forward. And they were minors at the time. I'm going to say again, 12, 13, 14, 14. 14, 15-year-old girls, minors, where are we going now? We as society must stand up and empower and engage with all of these survivors and demand

justice now. We wait as justice, God willing, reigns down, and we now stop. And we honor American heroes, heroes that are brave enough to speak out. I'm referring to the now adult Epstein victims, children, all of them at the time they were raped repeatedly by Epstein and his friends. Who are the friends? Will we ever find out? Or will we be deaf, dumb, and blind to what is right under our nose? how many victims and witnesses have already committed suicide estimates between five that I can name on my hands and 20 what risk do these women face as they speak out nancy grace signing off goodbye friend Thank you.