Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - EPSTEIN VICTIMS: PROSECUTE "PRINCE" ANDREW, KING AXES TITLE, PRINCE TESTIFY IN US?

Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Jeffrey Epstein victims demand, prosecute Prince Andrew as King Charles axes Andrew's Prince title. He's got bigger problems. Now, demands from Capitol Hill. Prince Andrew, come here and testify. on U.S. soil.

Starting point is 00:00:32 I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Out of the blue, Virginia Jeffre's book drops coincidentally. The night before Andrew gets stripped of all of his titles. Timing. Timing. Wow.

Starting point is 00:00:50 What timing. And now, Prince Andrews, um, relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaean Maxwell. Well, it was, it was very gently bubbling. It has boiled over. And now the king, as in King Charles, is being heckled because of his baby brother. Listen.

Starting point is 00:01:17 How long have you known about Andrew and X days? Have you asked the police to cover up for Andrew? Have you asked the police to cover up for Andrew? That from our friends at Sky News, if you couldn't understand the heckler, he's yelling out. Have you asked the police to cover up for Andrew? How long have you known about Andrew and Epstein? Look, I'm happily an American. I don't want a king or a prince or a princess.

Starting point is 00:01:50 None of that. That's for Disney. Okay? But when you have a book published by a sex trafficking victim, Virginia Jafray, and coincidentally, that very week, Prince Andrew is stripped of his titles, don't tell me that her book posthumously publicized had nothing to do with Andrew's downfall. Well, my question is, how can this help the actual sex molestation victims? That's what this is all about. How disgusting is it? To Barry Levine joining us, he is the author of a brand new book, It's Incredible, the

Starting point is 00:02:35 spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell, it's amazing. When you hear that Epstein had moved a billion B as in brother, billion dollars, where did he get that? I guarantee you, we will discover it's from trafficking little girls, including American little girls. Any little girl is bad enough. Why I said American is because we have jurisdiction over that. I can't help what Turkey and the stands are doing, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, what they're doing

Starting point is 00:03:11 with their children. I can't prosecute that. But I can help prosecute what was done. to American children at the hands of Epstein, a billion dollars, Levine, probably more, enough to make J.P. Morgan have a multi-million dollar settlement. You know, they would not have done that if there had not been fire underneath that smoke. But Barry Levine, how disgusted must the British public be? Hmm, about right now to know that Andrew was I'm still chatting and texting and emailing with Epstein after his palm beach conviction.

Starting point is 00:03:57 Really saying the words, we'll play more soon? I want to vomit, play, molest little girls. Nancy, he said he wanted to continue to have fun with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the word he used was fun. Now, these email disclosures came after Prince Andrews said that he had cut off all communication with Jeffrey Epstein. He traveled to New York. There was a photo of the two of them in Central Park together. He said that was it.

Starting point is 00:04:32 He said he told Jeffrey Epstein goodbye. Now we're learning and we're seeing emails where Prince Andrew was continuing to communicate with Jeffrey Epstein. when the photo of Andrew and Virginia Joufrey came out standing in Gilae Maxwell's townhouse in London, a photo that Jeffrey Epstein took. Andrew told Epstein, we'll get through this together, and then we'll have fun again. It is absolutely disgusting, and I hope now that he has been stripped of these ridiculous royal titles that he had, that he never deserved in the first place, that maybe, just maybe, the authorities over there will pull up their pants and actually investigate him.

Starting point is 00:05:26 He had a security detail, special operations 14. They need to be investigated. Well, I can tell you this, Levine, if it finally comes to light, there are allegations right now that Prince Andrew ordered Scotland Yard. Scotland Yard, be ashamed. And I've never said that. I have great respect for Scotland Yard. He asked them to investigate Virginia Jafray to smear her when her allegations came out.

Starting point is 00:05:58 He misused law enforcement for his own personal ill motives. Hey, listen to this. Just a few short months after Epstein walks free, Prince Andrew corresponds with a convicted sex offender, promising to make plans for a trip to New York as it would be good to catch up in person. Andrew claims his December trip to Epstein's New York mansion was planned solely to break the news he must cut contact with the financier. However, in a January email to Epstein, Andrew writes, keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon with four exclamation points. Really? Straight out to Lynn Shaw. She is in D.C. right now, lobbying.

Starting point is 00:06:42 fighting for the release of the Epstein files. I never thought I'd see the day. When we had to go to Washington and demand a child sex molesters files become public. What is this? Russia, China, where there are secret dealings behind closed doors. Oh, H.E.L. N. Oh, I ain't shutting up about this. God bless you, Lynn Shaw, for being in D.C. fighting for the release of those files. But I want to By the way, Lynn Shaw found a director, Lynn's Warriors, which is dedicated to eradicating sex trafficking of girls and women and more. But did you notice the way and the timing of Andrew, Prince Andrew, it's like I just ate, you know, a hairball trying to say Prince Andrew. The timing is after the Palm Beach debacle, and I'm about to go to Greg Morris, who is joining us from Palm Beach on this. after that he knows he knows Epstein is a child molester he knows that but that said play again soon talk about

Starting point is 00:07:49 minimizing pain and suffering i am disgusted with this whole story it really means nothing for us in washington in the united states fighting for our victims of not only these criminals but also all victims of sexual exploitation what it does why this does matter though is because it keeps it out there, the narrative. It keeps it in the headlines. It keeps people talking about it. But we only care about to be in Washington and to have a client list, the whole thing called a hoax, to have people fighting, do have people saying we have it all on our desk and we're going to release it? And they've done zero. So we demand that they open this up for America. We want files. We want accountability. We want to bring people to trial. How about we don't talk about

Starting point is 00:08:33 so many things here in America, the Zorro Ranch, and all of those complicit who participated in that, the buyers of all this. I'm going to call them buyers because I'm sure money was exchanged, because none of these people do anything unless there's financial incentive monies involved. So you know what? This may be great. And Buckingham Palace put out a cute little nice announcement the other day that they stand with all victims, survivors. But you know who didn't sign off on that? Andrew. Andrew is still in denial. So we don't care about him. We care about all. the girls and women that have been victims of this for decades now and we demand answers and accountability. Joining me, Dr. Bethany Marshall, we're now in Psycho Analyst out of LA. She's the author

Starting point is 00:09:14 of Deal Breakers. Still waiting on that second book, Bethany, get cracking. You can see her on Peacock and find her at Dr. Bethany Marshall.com. Dr. Bethany Marshall, I just had a physical reaction. As Lynn from Lynn's Warriors was talking, we were showing photos. of Epstein and it was the reaction I often had in court, particularly in child abuse cases. I look over at the defendant who was typically on my right side and the jury would be right beside me on my left and they would look so smug. Like there's no way in H.E.L. They're going to get caught. And I would actually, an involuntary reaction, just go, and I would, I would feel my lip turn up in disgust.

Starting point is 00:10:05 When I was looking at Epstein, he looks so smug in every photo. And why not? Because he's gotten away with this. Would you please tell the listeners what child rape victims go through? They are never the same. And he got away with it for years. Okay, so I agree with Lynn. Forget about Andrew and start thinking about the victim.

Starting point is 00:10:33 Too much of the spotlight is on Andrew. I'm going to talk for a second about child victims. Let's not call them the royal family. This call them the Mountbatants. They are no different than any other family. And if you work for child protective services, what you know is you can go to a family that has a predator, an aunt, an uncle, a cousin,

Starting point is 00:10:54 and they will say to the child protective services worker, oh, you know what? They're no longer a part of our family. We've shuffled them off to the side. They're not going to be perpetrating on our family member any longer. And the minute the Child Protective Services worker leaves, that family member is shuffled right back into the mix. So when we think about victims, we have to think about their entire family, you know, family systems. And the fact that families work together to hold everybody together, even if there's a child predator.

Starting point is 00:11:32 You know, it's like that moment out to Greg Morse joining us, high-profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney, founder of Morse Legal. He is the author of Untested on Amazon. Greg Morris is joining us from the Palm Beach jurisdiction. Greg, question to you. Now, I'd like a short answer. This is over. You have nothing to fight with me about.

Starting point is 00:11:59 The sweetheart deal that Epstein got. when in Palm Beach, he was prosecuted four molesting little girls, not just one, several. He got a sweetheart deal with tap on the wrist, and he was allowed to be chauffered out of the jail wherever he wanted to go, including his home where he continued to molest children. That was his sentence, and then have to come back at night and stay in jail occasionally. That was his sentence, and it wasn't a secret. Andrew knew about it, and it was after he was convicted, that Andrew wrote all of those emails about playing together soon.

Starting point is 00:12:47 You darn right his title should be stripped. He should be prosecuted. What's the hold up, Morse? Well, you know, with regard to Prince Andrew, or former Prince Andrew at this time, a lot of time has gone by. trying to arrest or indict someone for acts that were a long time ago. The fact that he kept talking to Jeffrey Epstein after he was a known sex trafficker and was convicted doesn't make him any more guilty of allegations that were made against Prince Andrew. You know, the one thing,

Starting point is 00:13:19 though, for Prince Andrew or for former Prince Andrew, that could be an issue, is that he was stripped of his royal title. He may then be stripped of any diplomatic protection. We have an extradition treaty with England. I don't know if those matters will come up if there is an indictment in America seeking former Prince Andrew. That could be an issue for him. And it also seems like he was removed from the one estate to go to a 31 square mile estate because of getting prostitutes during a business trip to Thailand. Are you actually stating that leaving a, what, 50-room mansion downgraded to a smaller, for free royal home on the Sandringham estate, that's punishment?

Starting point is 00:14:08 No, it's the opposite of punishment. No, that we agree on. That's a joke. That's the royal family themselves. Every time they're caught with some information, they try to do a little band-aid on it with regard to Andrew Windsor. But for Andrew's conduct... Okay, hold on.

Starting point is 00:14:27 I got to throw this to Harriet Alexander. Harriet Alexander, I want to follow up on what Morse is saying. Harriet is his senior features writer at Dailymail.com who has been breaking these stories left and right. Here's a problem. They also threw Fergie, Sarah Ferguson, out on her ear. She's got a lot of stories to tell. And she's desperate for money.

Starting point is 00:14:51 She just, she inhales money like a vacuum clean. Just cases of champagne, limos waiting in the front yard all day long for her to decide to go somewhere. I don't know. Just so Marie Antoinette. That said, she will want money. And what better way to get it than to do a tell-all book, trashing the royal family. I mean, they're not really my concern, but I can see that coming a mile away. And you heard Morris playing dodgeball again with me.

Starting point is 00:15:24 talking about emails, phone calls, visits with Andrew and Epstein are not prosecutable. He's right. But child molestation is. Did you read, it's probably your article in Daily Mail, that exposed Prince Andrew's party where they actually had sex, toys, lubricants, kind of, it sounds like Sean Combs, stocking all the bathrooms of his mansion, and the British taxpayers are paying for that? Those were the party favors? Right, right, yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:04 That is part of the outrage in the UK that British taxpayers have been supporting this lifestyle for so long. He's been a deeply unpopular figure in Britain for many, many years, but it's really come to a head in the last couple of weeks. and he's certainly somebody who I think will not be missed in the public eye. It's not just that party at Sandringham, which Andrew said was just a normal shooting party. It obviously was anything but. It's also come out that Andrew, believe it or not, invited Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, as well as Galane Maxwell to his daughter's 18th birthday party back in 2006. and it's hard to think of any figures who could be more unwelcome at an 18th birthday party than those two. Hold on, because tomorrow is the twin's 18th birthday, and I'm going to cook a big dinner,

Starting point is 00:17:02 and I'm making a cake and cupcakes. We're really blowing it out. So let me understand what you just said, Harriet Alexander, Daly Mill. For the 18th, the birthday, for Princess Beatrice, her first. father, Andrew, invited Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell to her, the 18-year-old's birthday party. They were having sex with 18-year-olds and much younger, as young as 12. What? What happened? Right, right, absolutely. So it was a masked ball that was happening at Windsor Castle. I mean, it was a huge affair. There was a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:17:48 there. This was in 2006. So, you know, for reference, Epstein's deal in Florida was 2008. But still, to invite Weinstein and Epstein to your daughter's 18th birthday party, I mean, it goes quite a long way, I think, to show how close they all were, how much time they all spent together, how, you know, they were very, very connected. And of course, in hindsight, that's incredibly disturbing. Harriet, I want you to hear this allegation. The MET police are investigating claims that Prince Andrew tried to involve his tax-funded MET protection officer and Queen Elizabeth's Deputy Press Secretary in a smear campaign against Virginia Jafray. Andrew provided his bodyguard with Jafray's birth date and social security number in an email requesting he dig up dirt on the

Starting point is 00:18:43 young woman. In another email, Andrew told Secretary Ed Perkins his guard was working on the defray problem, adding she may have a criminal record. And I do hope that the authorities will actually pursue some of these investigations. They will bring charges. And I think if they do so, there's a very good chance that both he and Sarah Ferguson may

Starting point is 00:19:02 well go to prison. Time from our friends at Talk TV. Okay, Harriet, using the Met, which is their Metropolitan Police in Great Britain, to investigate your child molestation victim in order

Starting point is 00:19:18 to smear her, that is wrong on so many levels. Now, we cannot prove at this juncture what happened with Virginia is afraid because she has passed away and cannot be cross-examined. So that cannot be brought forward at trial. You have a Sixth Amendment right to cross-examine and witnesses against you, period, the end. But the allegations that Andrew used the Met, used Scotland Yard to try to smear a child molestation victim, victim. That's a whole other can of worms, Harriet. Yeah, absolutely. And it's something that the British public want to know. Andrew Lowney, who was speaking just then, he is a respected historian, a biographer who's

Starting point is 00:20:03 written a book about the House of York, of which Andrew, of course, was formerly the head. And he is saying that he believes there could be actually criminal charges brought against Andrew for this in particular. But this in particular, but this in particular, particular for using the Metropolitan Police and his protection detail to dig up dirt essentially on Virginia Dufray. That might be, you might be able to prosecute for that because, of course, you know, you can't prosecute for the alleged acts that happened because that was, A, it was a long time ago and also sadly, Virginia is dead. Prince Andrew may face more than just disownment and eviction.

Starting point is 00:20:54 Republic, a pressure group, instructed lawyers to begin an investigation into the prince with plans to mount a private prosecution if they find evidence to substantiate the late Virginia Joufrey's rape allegations. Andrew could face jail time if found guilty in the criminal proceedings, and ex-wife Sarah Ferguson could be next. Virginia Jiffrey's book is very powerful. It really brings home the extent of what was the time. going on and the sense of entitlement and arrogance that they had that somehow they could just

Starting point is 00:21:23 do what they wanted and these were disposable people that they could just, you know, discard. That from our friends at Talk TV to Harriet Alexander, senior features writer d.lmlumel.com. Let me throw a little legal jargon at you, U.S. legal jargon. I don't know if you have if that exists in Great Britain, but Harriet Alexander, did you notice when Andrews walked up and the other royals were there. He was totally legal phrase, the turd in the punch bowl, right? It was like, ugh. They all look away. Nobody wants to talk to him. It's very obvious. They've moved him 100 miles away after Jeffrey's book came out. That's all well and good, and he deserves so much more than just a public shaming. To what this group

Starting point is 00:22:14 Republic is, it's a pressure group who wants to, of course, see the monarchy. abolished. But in the meantime, they want Andrew prosecuted privately. What is that? Is that the same as a civil lawsuit here in the U.S.? What does a private prosecution look like in Great Britain? So that is being carried out, as you say, by this group, which is against the monarchy. I don't believe that that case is going to have any possibility of going forwards because the person who would be their, the person who would be their main witness, the accuser, Virginia Dufre, advised suicide earlier this year. So it's not going to be possible to prosecute Andrew for rape as they hope because the person who would need to prove it is no longer with us. But I do

Starting point is 00:23:04 think they might have more luck trying to investigate what happened with Andrew using his taxpayer-funded private, his taxpayer-funded security detail to dig up information on her to try and discredit her. I think that's something that could be more profitable for people who want to see Andrew face more punishment. Private investigator, founder of Crispin's Special Investigation, former Federal Task Force for the U.S. DOJ, former homicide and crimes against children investigator. Joining us near the Epstein, Florida Mansion, you know, I especially wanted to go to you. Chrispin, because you're there near Epstein's Florida mansion, not to be mistaken with his New York mansion or his Virgin Islands mansion or any of the other mansions he's got all around

Starting point is 00:23:56 the world. You know, us regular people, may I speak for you like you and me? We don't like it when rich people take advantage of the police like Epstein and Andrew have done, take advantage of children like Epstein and Andrew have done and then think we're going to excuse it because they're either American royalty because they're rich or they're British royalty. I've about had it up to right here. Yeah. And Nancy, I tell you, there's a lot that has happened here in the town of Palm Beach. Just to kind of give you a little idea of where I am, Worth Avenue is right behind me. And a couple streets south of that was where Epstein's mansion used to be. And then a few streets south of that is Trump's Mara Lago compound.

Starting point is 00:24:49 So since this all has transpired, since all this has happened with Epstein, this property has gone through two owners. The first owner purchased it right away. He put in plans to Palm Beach to build a modern home. But he got rejected because Palm Beach doesn't want modern homes. A lot of people probably don't know this, but in Palm Beach, if you go to build a house, your neighbors and the town of Palm Beach

Starting point is 00:25:15 that's to kind of all sign off that they're okay with you building a modern home in an area that doesn't have any. And it's got such character of everything else but a modern home. So moving forward, excuse me, Crispin. Well, I love your monologue on the architecture request

Starting point is 00:25:34 of really, really stink and rich people down at Palm Beach. Can we get to the timeline station and the fact that nothing's been done about it? So, Nancy, this address used to be 368 Elbrillo Way on Palm Beach Island. The new owners were able to get a brand new address of 360 Albrillo Way. Why? Because they didn't want anything related to Jeffrey Epstein, the chomelestation cases that occurred here,

Starting point is 00:26:01 and everything else that put a black stain on Palm Beach Island. Everything from grass, the trees, the dirt, the dock, has been gone. Lifted out, there's not one iota a property belonging to Jeffrey Epstein or anything to do with any of these heinous crimes against children that are left on this property. You know, it's interesting. So many things, Dr. Bethany Marshall, and I'm about to go to Barry Levine on the money trail. That may be the only way we get Andrew or any of Epstein's cohorts. Dr. Bethany Marshall, you just heard Crispin, he's standing at. Did you see that multi-million dollar view that Epstein had. But you know what? That view stinks when you think about him

Starting point is 00:26:45 bringing these little children, little girls, little girls. Think about it. You saw, you've watched my little girl grow up for the time she was born, Bethany. You've known her. Can you imagine some POS abusing her in that massage room looking out over that beach? They can all go straight to He E.E.L. riding a pitchfork as far as I'm concerned. But that said, at some point, regular people like me, like Crispin, we're not going to stand by and let this continue. They're standing for it over in Great Britain. But not here. No. And I don't understand why we can't get the release of those files and why nothing is happening. For Pete St. Lynn Shaw has to go with a torch outside the White House up on Capitol Hill to try to get some action.

Starting point is 00:27:40 I don't get it. It's Marie Antoinette all over again. You know what's interesting and actually disturbing to me, Nancy, is that these neighbors are observing a crime scene. Okay, they're observing something in their neighborhood that really was criminal and children were abused as young as 12 years of age. And the fact that they would change the address means that they're trying to wash their hands of the whole thing. Why don't these neighbors come forward, go to court, write their local representative, and talk a little bit about the cars that they saw coming and going.

Starting point is 00:28:20 Who was a car? What was the license place? I'm sure they have, you know, security cameras on their homes. What did they, what did those security cameras? what did they record? So these neighbors who are trying to sanitize their community, it's no different than what I said earlier about any other family that has the lettrous aunt or uncle or somebody

Starting point is 00:28:42 where they try to protect that person rather than coming forward and bringing the ill deeds to light to protect the younger members of the family. So I just really disturbed that these neighbors are taking this course of action. The photograph is taken upstairs. and I don't think I ever went upstairs. It's devastating.

Starting point is 00:29:03 He's already lost his titles. He's still a prince. He's no longer the Duke of York. And he's no longer his royal hymns. Excuse me. You know, he's lost all his titles. He's living rent-free in the Royal Lodge. I don't want to hear about any of his suffering.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Is a prosecution across the ocean possible for Andrew? Stunning revelations over the last 72 hours. In my mind, it means even the royal family smells a stench from Andrew's lies. Now, how does that correlate to action in the U.S.? What about a prosecution for manipulating, manipulating the law enforcement, the Met, Scotland Yard, to smear Virginia Jafray? That said, now we've got a powerhouse involved in the U.S. That is in the form of major banking institutions are now dragged into this.

Starting point is 00:30:07 But to Harriet Alexander, senior features writer, d.l.m.com, what's the possibility? Now that, the British public smells blood, there will be a prosecution or will it be covered up for at least Andrew, allegedly using the Met Metropolitan Police in Scotland Yard to smear Joufrey. So it's certainly something that a lot of people want looking into about whether Andrew, as alleged, did pressure his private security officer to look into Virginia Roberts, Joufrey, to see if he could dig up dirt and discredit her. I think that's something that authorities in the UK will be under a lot of pressure to investigate. I think there's also growing questions about why more is not being done in the United States.

Starting point is 00:30:58 Because I think, you know, to Lynn's point that this keeps everything in the news, it's got everybody talking about it, and it heaps pressure on the US authorities to release more of their files. Because it's worth noting that so far the only people who have really faced significant penalties in a way are Andrew Gillane Maxwell, who's in prison. Peter Mandelson, who was the ambassador to Washington, D.C. He lost his job over this because he was friends with Epstein. And an American banker, Jess Staley, who was working at J.P. Morgan. He was in London with Barclays Bank, and he lost his job as a result of the work that he did with Epstein at J.P. Morgan back then. So there are things happening in the UK, but I think people even in the UK are beginning to ask,

Starting point is 00:31:51 why more is not being done in the U.S. to pursue people who were supporting Epstein and in some cases clients. I agree. Though supporting Epstein and his child sex trafficking, that would be reportedly the Bank of America and the Bank of New York Mellon and J.P. Morgan, enter Barry Levine, who has documented endlessly the spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein and Galane. Maxwell, listen to this, Barry. New lawsuits shed light on Epstein's trafficking ring. Anonymous plaintiffs file against Bank of America and Bank of New York Mellon, claiming the institutions illicitly enabled Epstein's trafficking.

Starting point is 00:32:37 Both banks accused of ignoring the illegal activity, Bank of America, turning a blind eye to Epstein's use of a victim's account to pay her in a victims off, and Mellon failing to flag nearly $378 million in victim payments as suspicious. $378 million for victim payments, and nobody said a word in a nutshell, Barry Levine, you know, I'm just a trial lawyer. Break it down for me. What the banks allegedly did wrong. What the banks did wrong, Nancy, was that they looked the other way going, back to 2002, over $1 billion of monies that Jeffrey Epstein withdrew to pay off enablers around the world and also to pay off victims.

Starting point is 00:33:27 These suspicious activity reports were completely red lights for multiple banks. But because Jeffrey Epstein brought in so many of his wealthy clients, these banks managed to look the other way. this sex trafficking was able to continue for two decades. It's only now that we're finally looking back at all of the financial reports and Representative Tom Massey is hoping to prosecute 19 men that he has identified who were sex traffic to. Okay, Barry, you're super smart and your book is amazing. I said dummy down. You didn't really dummy down. What I I think you just said is these banks knew Epstein was conducting nefarious activity,

Starting point is 00:34:19 specifically child trafficking, child sex trafficking. And on the money flow, following the money, you can determine who was sending him girls as young as 12 and who he was paying. That is the significance of those financial transactions. What, dumb, down can I learn I would have to work with you a really long time to put you on the stand okay no offense but you're just too smart for the rest of us again dummy down what can I learn one two three from these financial transactions and you know they did it because they entered multi-million dollar settlements to make it go away right so what am I going to get from the financial transactions what we're getting Nancy from the financial

Starting point is 00:35:10 transactions is actual details and dates of the men and payments that Jeffrey Epstein made. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. And unlike the Jeffrey molestation, Sidney Sumner joining me, a crime stories investigative reporter. A lot of these child molesters. victims are still alive. Some of them are the ones marching on Capitol Hill to get the Epstein files released. They're alive. They can testify unless they commit suicide, Sidney. Absolutely, Nancy. Remember the victims hosted a press conference on Capitol Hill just a few weeks

Starting point is 00:36:00 ago, and the stories were horrendous. Woman after woman stepped up to that microphone and shared what they experienced under Epstein's sexual abuse. So there are many women who are still alive, available, wanting to give their testimony and working on compiling their own list of Epstein's clients. I don't believe it's a picture of me in London because when I go out in London, I wear a suit and a tie.

Starting point is 00:36:31 That's what I would describe as those are my traveling clothes. That's me, but whether that's my hand. or whether that's the position. But I don't, I have simply no recollection of a photograph ever being taken. Right, from our friends of BBC. In the last 72 hours, Prince Andrew has been kicked out of the Royal Lodge

Starting point is 00:36:54 and been stripped of all of his titles. But is that enough? The British public says no, and sex molestation victims say we want him prosecuted on U.S. soil, move afoot on Capitol Hill, asking answers to come voluntarily to testify in proceedings, no one is going to forget this, largely because of this woman. You said, take off your clothes. I had these little girl undies on, like little hearts on them,

Starting point is 00:37:29 I remember, and they were laughing at that because they like that. The younger you look, the better it is. It turned into, it turns very sexual and it was abuse straight away from both of them. Sometimes he would just be in front of them and rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them. Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give them a little girl. Laughing at a little girl because she has flowers on her underwear. That's from our friends at Lifetime and Miami Harold. I mean, you know, all of this legal back and for some extradition, the prince, Royal Lodge,

Starting point is 00:38:08 blah, blah. Robert Crispin, joining us outside what was once Epstein's Florida mansion. You've done a lot of vice including child prostitution. That's what it boils down to. That's what this is about.

Starting point is 00:38:25 Epstein and all of his rich clients that made this possible. Yeah, they certainly facilitated all this. And I would subject, or I would suggest that there's some more charges coming down the road. And I think he was stripped of everything overseas and his titles overseas because there are a family knows and they've been meeting or speaking with the government that charges are about to come down.

Starting point is 00:38:50 And it's going to look a lot better for their family when they say, hey, he's no longer part of our family. We've stripped him of everything. I mean, to Barry Levine joining us, The Spider, Inside the Tangle Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Galangelo, Maxwell, $290 million was a settlement from J.P. Morgan Chase. $290 million and they agreed to implement anti-sex trafficking measures. A bank, a bank, a respectable bank in the middle of a child sex trafficking scheme. That should speak volumes to everybody. If that bank,

Starting point is 00:39:34 J.P. Morgan Chase paid nearly $300 million to make this go away. There's fire because I see smoke, Levine. Yeah. And listen, Nancy, it's sad to think that that bank, that $300 million to them, it's a drop in the bucket to them for the amount of money that Jeffrey Epstein helped them make over the decades by bringing in his billionaire buddies to plant their money in their bank. But the fact is, if there's any one thing that's a positive out of this, is that those bank records are now finally getting in the possession of the authorities who can go through each and every line and look at these suspicious payments that Jeffrey Epstein made

Starting point is 00:40:24 and go after these men. Representative Thomas Massey knows of 19 men, Senator Ryan Wyden, has identified $1 billion in suspicious wire transfers that Jeffrey Epstein made. And this was money. It didn't only go through the U.S. banks. Jeffrey Epstein was also moving money through Russian banks. And his executors of his estate complicated things for years. They created 150 different bank account for Jeffrey Epstein to move his money through. So this was a wild maze and a wild web.

Starting point is 00:40:58 And now, it's only now that investigators are going through this. Let's hope that there's financial crimes that they can pinpoint and go after these men, not only in the U.S., but the men who put the little girls on the planes to the Virgin Islands who are overseas, who took money from Jeffrey Epstein. Making millions of dollars from child sex trafficking, Epstein. And Andrew is in the mix. But we are also learning this. What is wrong with this woman?

Starting point is 00:41:30 Listen. Virginia first likens Galane Maxwell to Mary Poppins, but later learns Maxwell is a prideful, jealous woman. Virginia describes Maxwell's cruelty during threesomes with Epstein, slapping and hurting Virginia to assert her dominance. Maxwell also loves to brag about previous romps, wants positively giddy to share she performed a sex act on George Clooney in a bathroom at a party. okay again i need a shrink and a drink but since i don't have a drink i'll go with a shrink bethany what is wrong with her of course cluny denies this but what is that bragging she performed a sex act on cluny why you know nancy there's so much that's wrong with this i mean obviously their lives are completely sexualized that's how they relate to everybody this

Starting point is 00:42:19 this laughing at virginia juffray because she had little hearts on her underwear that's actually is sadism. That's taking pain and causing pleasure. I mean, I'm sorry, taking pleasure and causing pain to another human being. I think Gillen Maxwell loved to have dominance over other women. I think she was envious and jealous of them. I think she thought that they had it coming to them. And I think it was sexually arousing to her that they were humiliated. I mean, and this is what we see in all of these sex cults that you have this fearless leader that recruit other women who then dominates the women under them and the actual domination is what is sexually exciting to we use you use the word middle man this is the middle

Starting point is 00:43:05 woman the middle woman finds it sexually exciting to dominate more submissive females i can't i rack my brain and thinking oh and i've said consistently and um and frequently that we're We never had any sort of sexual contact, whatever. Queen Elizabeth Rowling in her grave from our friends at BBC. We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff John Moon, Waller County Sheriff's Texas, killed in the line of duty after 23 years serving and protecting, leaving behind a grief-stricken son.

Starting point is 00:43:46 American hero, Deputy Sheriff John Moon. Nancy Grace, signing off. Goodbye, friend.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - EPSTEIN VICTIMS: PROSECUTE "PRINCE" ANDREW, KING AXES TITLE, PRINCE TESTIFY IN US?

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