Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - EXPLOSIVE EPSTEIN SEX PROBE FILE DROP: EPSTEIN BROTHER & VICTIM SPEAK

Episode Date: January 1, 2026

Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein, and various survivors of Epstein's abuse who have been advocating for transparency and full release of all government files speak out. Mark Epstein has lingering questions about his brother's death and is bringing those to the publics attention. He wants justice too.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Birds of a feather flocked together. Epstein and Jeline Maxwell. There were literally hundreds of victims. It makes me sick. Gagged.

Hundreds of young girls who had been trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell. Her name is like dirt in my mouth. There is no list. Lies. I never heard that. Lies. I never imagined this. Lies.

There they are on their private plane. You know what? Bite me. This Epstein story is never going to end. People connected to this case are dropping dead like flies? He was a master manipulator. He's having dinner with Satan tonight. What you're going to see is a lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information,

but it's pretty sick what that man did. A source had told me where the documents were being kept. Southern District of New York, shock. So we got them all by hopefully all of them. Friday at 8 a.m., thousands of pages of documents. I have the FBI going through them. Director Patel is going to get us. a detailed report as to why the FBI

withheld all of those documents. That is from our friends at Fox News. Joining us now is a very special guest, Spencer Coven, Chief Legal Officer Gold Law, who has represented nine Epstein victims. Nine. Nine. Now, I prosecuted a lot of cases, and when I would have three or four victims, that would be like an avalanche. You, a single lawyer, have represented nine,

which tells me that there are many, many more out there probably that we don't even know about. I've been representing victims going back to the original prosecution of this case in Palm Beach. I represented victim number one. That was a 14-year-old girl that I helped walk through the criminal justice and then subsequently the civil justice system.

which started the landfall of future victims of Jeffrey Epstein. I can tell you that in my context with the FBI during those investigations, there were literally hundreds of victims, hundreds of young girls who had been trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell. They were out there. And then there were more than hundreds that actually submitted claims when the funds were seized over in the Virgin Islands after his arrest. So the victims are numerous, the stories are voluminous.

They involve high-profile individuals in the business community, high-profile politicians, royalty, you name it. Jeffrey Epstein had the goods on all of them, and there were a lot of people, I have no doubt, that were afraid of what he had to say. Dylan Howard is with us, investigative journalist and author of Epstein, Dead Man Tell No Tales. I'm very curious as to why the documents are not being disclosed. Now, Dylan Howard, you suggest a nefarious relationship between Trump and Epstein. Many celebrities take photos that later they wish they hadn't taken. Photos alone do not indicate wrongdoing on behalf of Trump. But I will tell you what is a smoking gun to me.

We were told the documents would be released. Now we're being told there's nothing to see. If there's nothing to see, why not release them? No, Nancy, I'm not suggesting a nefarious link between Trump and Epstein. What I'm saying is that there has been a search for a nefarious link between Trump and Epstein. But I think that obscures somewhat the real crux of the matter here. And that is that there is significant intelligence... in the hands of the Department of Justice and the FBI that has not been released to the American people.

And we know that through various motions that have been put forward in various civil cases in which the SDNY, the Southern District of New York, has argued that the release of those Epstein files could, quote, reasonably be expected to interfere with a potential appeal of Epstein's Right, right, right, by Galane Maxwell. I know, I know, I know. I've never seen prosecutors so worried about the interests of a convicted felon, i.e. Jelaine Maxwell. And this goes back to before Bondi, the promise that these documents would be released

and that any co-conspirator would be prosecuted goes all the way back to Attorney General William Barr. This case will continue on against anyone. who was complicit with Epstein. Any co-conspirators should not rest easy. That's my friends at CBS. Let's just remind everyone what this case is about. Listen to Virginia, Jeffrey, one of the five individuals who allegedly committed suicide connected to the Epstein case.

They said, take off your clothes. I had these little girl undies on, like little hearts on them, I remember. And they were laughing at that because, They like that. The younger you look, the better it is. It turned very sexual and it was abuse straight away from both of them. I had been a runaway and I had been abused before. So to have this, you know, ability to get educated and do something with my life, I thought I was turning around.

That's where our friends at Miami Herald and ITV News and Lifetime. Dylan Howard, that's what this case is all about. the trafficking and exploitation of what we now believe to be thousands of little girls. Now, why on God's green earth would we not want to release files about the desecration and the victimization of little girls? At the very heart of this lies a very deep and disturbing question. If Jeffrey Epstein was operating a child's sex ring, was he doing it for his own sexual proclivities, or was he doing it for a perhaps far more nefarious cause? And I think the answer

lies there. We have proof that Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking ring spans much further than just the U.S. I'm talking about proof that girls as young as 12 years old were flown from various countries to Epstein's Island, where they were handed over like a pizza delivery to Jeffrey Epstein and his wealthy clients. Joining us tonight is a very special guest, Barry Levine. Barry is the author of an incredible book called, Listen to this, The Spider, Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell. the fact that Epstein wasn't just finding teen girls in Florida that were usually underprivileged, single parent home, no money, no hopes. He wasn't just praying on them. This sex child sex trafficking ring is a lot bigger than a few girls down in Palm Beach. We are talking about Europe. We are talking about Eastern

Europe. We are talking about children, girls, as young as 12 years old, being put on planes and flown to the U.S. Virgin Islands, delivered like a pizza to Jeffrey Epstein. And then his French counterpart, Jean-Luc Brunel, is dead behind bars. Wow, what a co-inkie-dink. You have uncovered evidence that this is a world-war. wide operation. Explain. That's absolutely correct, Nancy. And I'm hoping that if we ever get into these Epstein files,

300 gigabytes of material, that's hundreds of thousands of pages, that we will help uncover the enablers who assisted Jeffrey Epstein. Now, Nancy, you have to remember that, After Jeffrey Epstein received that slap on the wrist conviction down in Florida in 2008, as part of that non-prosecution agreement in which he only had a plea guilty to state charges for solicitation of a minor and was given a sweetheart deal of 14 months behind bars, of which most of the time he was not. I just want to tell you something. actually making my stomach hurt. It's actually hurting right now. If I had gotten a hold of this guy,

he would have been under the jail, under the jail. And he actually had his limo pick him up, his limo at the Palm Beach's jail and drive him wherever he wanted to go. That's not punishment. You're absolutely right, Nancy. It was sickening in terms of that slap on the wrist in Florida. At the time, the FBI wanted to put him away for 75 years, and then he got that sweetheart deal. And when he was out on work release, he had an ankle bracelet, and he was having sex, as I reported in my book, with victims while he had the ankle monitor on his, on his leg. Little girls, and I believe you can prove this, little girls as young as 12, being flown from Russia, Turkey, and beyond to the Virgin Islands, delivered directly to Jeffrey Epstein.

There are witnesses that see the little girls getting off the plane and going to his mansion, not just one, not just two, a steady stream. There are thousands of victims, which leads me to who in the hell are the other men that can are wealthy enough to pay to fly to U.S. Virgin Islands and have sex with a 12-year-old girl. By God, I am not letting this go, Levine. And you shouldn't. And the American public and the victims, over a thousand victims, want answers. And that's why we need to open up these FBI files.

And we know that it was horrific. made the girls call him the godfather. He had a gun strap to one of his bedposts. One victim was so terrified that she actually attempted to swim off the island, only to turn back when she realized the water currents and so forth. This was a island of hearts that Jeffrey Epstein brought these girls to. And only now are we beginning to learn some of the circumstances. In the last hours, a start reversal from the White House, Trump now claiming he wants the Epstein files release after much furor over the past months. Joining us tonight is a very special guest who has once again landed at the forefront of the national news because of Jeffrey Epstein. May Epstein rot in hell. I'd like to start, of course, the news of the news of.

of the night is President Trump's stark reversal on releasing the Epstein files, and they are voluminous. The 20,000 documents we've gotten so far as only a very small percentage of what there is. Just imagine it goes back years and years and years and Alan. I'm very curious as to why this has been such an obstacle in D.C. Why these files have been, it's like hide the ball from the very beginning. We've gotten conflicting statements. We've been told by Bondi, they're sitting right here on my desk. I've got the client list, but then claiming, oh, there is no such thing. Do they think we're idiots, Alan? Well, there is a list, a list of FBI names that the FBI got in interviewing the victims. And there is such a list. I've seen it.

And the names have been redacted. Some of the names have been made public. Being on the list It doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty. It means somebody has accused you. But there is such a list. There's no Jeffrey Epstein client list. He didn't have a little book in which he said, this woman is going to go to this guy. This woman is going to go here or there.

There's no such list like that. But the FBI does have names that they're suppressing. And the judges, judges, this is the important point. Judges have been suppressing information. They have sealed depositions. And I think that your program, other programs, have the right to go to. court and say, look, please, the public has the right to see this. Let's unseal these depositions.

But right now, nobody benefits from suppression. And that's why I'm so upset at courts, courts, federal judges, keeping names out. They shouldn't be doing that. What do you think is going to happen, Alan, now? Will we ever get the truth? I think so. I think we're going to get the truth. I think there's so much public pressure. And there's so much pressure from Congress. I think in the end, everything will come out. It will exculpate innocent people like me. It will inculpate guilty people. And I don't know who they are, but whoever they are should be found guilty. And I think in the end, the truth will prevail. Glenn has been treated unfairly for over five years now. If you looked up scapegoat in the dictionary,

her face would be next to the dictionary definition of it. She's telling the truth. She's got no reason to lie at this point, and she's going to keep telling the truth. Thank you. That's all we have today. What is he saying? That's from our friends at the Tallahassee Democrat.

Of course, that's Elaine Maxwell's defense lawyer, saying, if you look up scapegoat in the dictionary, her face would be next to it. Okay, she may be a scapegoat because everybody was angry. Epstein didn't go to trial. That doesn't mean she's innocent. Jelaine Maxwell may be the key to the client list, as we call it, euphemistically. Young girls that were lured by Jelaine Maxwell say she is sinister, that she's worse than Epstein himself.

The federal government also calls her, quote, crafty. Listen. Federal prosecutors wrote in Galane Maxwell's sentencing memorandum that the socialite displayed a significant pattern of dishonest conduct. They noted several instances of Maxwell lying under oath. In 2021, Maxwell told the court, I have committed no crime, which was demonstrably false. In a 2016 deposition, Maxwell claimed she never gave victim Annie Farmer a massage, but Farmer's testimony at trial established that as a lie.

Maxwell also lied about her assets while applying for bail. Prosecutors wrote, in short, the defendant decides when she wishes to disclose facts to the court and those facts shift when it serves the defendant's interests. I mean, the reality is, who do you think Epson's hanging around with? Nuns and Priests of Virgins? No, he's with Jelaine Maxwell. Jelaine Maxwell, his hench person, his Bilsabub, has been transferred to a cushy dormitory style jail, and she gives hours and hours of statements, all of them, a pack of lies. Is she trying to curry favor to pave the way to a pardon?

Well, speaking of her lies, I want you to hear one right off the top. Listen. So, there's been a lot of conversations about whether Mr. Epstein maintained like a list of people, like a book of famous people that he knew. It's called a black book or a client list or list. Did you know of the existence of any such list? There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis of that story I can actually trace for you

from its absolute inception if that is what you're interested in. you interested it. Well, first, you know, to be sure, there is no list, there's no client list, nothing like that. No, there's nothing like that. You know. That, obviously. Right.

During the time that you were with Mr. Epstein, and even in the 2000s when you were around less frequently, you never observed, or you never saw any sort of list or black book or a list of individuals who, um... you know link to certain masseuses or anything like that absolutely no no there is no list there is no I'm not aware of any blackmail I never heard I never heard that I never saw it and I never I never imagined it so the original statement that Brad Edwards makes that's in the documents contemporaneously is that it's pieces of paper that Alfredo has. It then morphs into something that Alfredo took a book that Alfredo took

from Epstein's computer, but there's no computer, I know, certainly not in 2005 when this was allegedly taken, that came out as a book. And then it morphed into, at the civil time, my civil cases, into a book that was taken from my computer. And then it morphed into the Southern District of New York, because a combination. list of mine and Epstein's. That is a metamorphosis through documents that you can trace. What in the world is she trying to say? Joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sidney Sumner. She's talking about someone named Alfredo Rodriguez. And isn't that Epstein's butler? Yes, of course he had a butler.

Explain what she's saying, Sidney Sumner. Here she's saying that the purported client list that everyone is freaking out about wants to see doesn't really exist. But to get Blanche up to speed on where exactly this rumor came from, she goes all the way back to 2009 when Epstein has just been criminally investigated the first time in civil suits are now. coming on against him. So Maxwell claims that this law firm that was a little bit shady took on a lot of these Epstein victim civil suit cases. And one of those attorneys was working with Epstein's butler to get evidence against him. So that's where Alfredo Rodriguez comes in. And so what they claimed, what this lawyer claimed to be a client list, was really just in a redress book that the butler went through and apparently circled or marked people

who were involved in this trafficking ring. Okay, sounds like evidence to me. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So, first of all, Galane Maxwell, in her effort to get a pardon, says there is no client list. Let's hear what else she has to say. Maxwell denies every aspect of Virginia Jafre's victimization. Says she never recruited masseuses. Maxwell insists Jifrey is lying about the s with Prince Andrew.

Maxwell says Jafray used evidence from flight logs to fabricate the story, saying she was busy with her mom's 80th birthday. Her home in London was not a suitable venue for royalty. In Jafray's description of her bathroom, where Prince Andrew allegedly b***ed her was missing unforgettable details. When you were just asked about the photo, you said you actually thought the photo was fake.

Do you think it was just misdated or do you think it's literally a fake photo? I believe it's literally a fake photo. Why do you think that? Well, first of all, I don't remember it. We'll stop. But the outfit I'm wearing. is the outfit from my mom's birthday party.

So, but you don't have any, do you dispute that they've met each other? Do you know whether they've met each other? I do not know that they met. Okay, so you not only, so you think the photograph is fake, but you also are not even positive they actually ever met each other? I am not.

So you don't have a specific recollection of kind of being at an event or a party, or your apartment, or your flat Munden with Prince Andrew and... Absolutely. Let's listen to Prince Andrew speaking to the BBC. I don't believe it's a picture of me in London, because when I go out to, when I go out in London, I wear a suit and a tie. That's what I would describe as those are my travelling clothes. That's me, but whether that's my hand or whether that's the...

position I but I don't I have simply no recollection of a photograph ever being taken the photograph is taken upstairs and I don't think I ever went upstairs in Golan's high that's true our friends at BBC and that is exactly why defendants are told keep your yap shut exercise your right to the Fifth Amendment because Andrew just it got worse and worse and worse. I want you to hear proof that that photo was real. Despite Elaine Maxwell's insistence, the photo of her, Virginia, Gufrey, and Prince Andrew is a flat-out fake. The Mail on Sunday says they saw the proof it is real. Mail on Sunday photographer Michael Thomas took the pictures that first ran in 2011 of the original printed photo. Thomas saw Walgreens

receipt for the prints from a location just a few miles from Gufrey's West Palm Beach home. And now, nearly 15 years later, Thomas realized he also photographed the back of the print. The back of the photo is stamped with the print date, March 13, 2001, just three days after Goufrey was trafficked to the prints in London. It's not just about a client list, a little black book, or videos. It's about a potential murder. Yes, of Epstein. You may not care about his life, but don't you care about the truth? Don't you want to know what really happened and what happened to the other four people connected to this case who all committed suicide?

Joining me, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, Jackson State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, and he's the start of a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you and I both say that, you know, if I were a better, I take Vegas odds, Epstein was murdered. Now, I'm throwing out Vegas odds, but you have reasons to think he's, he was murdered. What is he number four or five connected to this case that has committed or had an OD? And, you know, if there are thousands and thousands of victims, Joseph Scott Morgan, as the files indicate that there are. This goes back for decades and you get a new little girl every week, it adds up, right? Who else may have committed or died that could have testified? Yes, she wants out.

I guess so. Why do you think Epstein was murdered? Well, because, well, first off, the ME in New York made a critical error of using the term soft, which means that you kind of slide into a noose where you're supported. it doesn't have to be a total suspension hanging. When you say a soft hanging, are you talking about like Robin Williams where you attach something to the back of your bed or your doorknop and you lean forward to it as opposed to a violent drop down from a raft

or don't break your neck in the hanging? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, it is. Most people associate with old judicial hangings where there's a lot of violence. That's not what they're saying. However, the evidence bears that there was something else going on. He's got two, and I say two thyroid fractures, and this is a cartilaginous body.

It's cartilage, like in your nose right here. So he's got two cartilage fractures right here. And then if you go up on the left side, the hyoid is very high in the neck. That's why it generally is not fractured in a hanging. And the left greater horn, it's kind of bird shape. The left greater horn is snapped off at the tip. He's also got some other curious insults to his body. His deltoid, or right here where the neck kind of dumps him to the shoulder, he's got

a deep tissue bruise right here, which is not going to be associated with the hanging, Nancy. He's also got these kind of faint bruises that they documented on both the wrist and the ankles. There's a lot of violence that has been associated with his death, or evidence of it at least. some kind of trauma. Joining us tonight is a very special guest. Mark Epstein, this is the biological brother of Jeffrey Epstein, now dead. Mr. Epstein, thank you for being with us. You're welcome.

Mark, if I may call you that, you have been disturbed from day one about the claim your brother, Jeffrey Epstein, committed to you say that did not happen why when I first heard that Jeffrey was found dead

from the parent's suicide I heard it on CNN the government didn't notify me as they claimed I heard it on CNN and at first I had no reason to doubt that

because I knew he was in jail he was potentially facing a very long term I knew he wouldn't want to live like that he didn't have any children to worry about our parents are gone and he wouldn't have to

worry about me. So there was no reason to doubt that. But then the next day, the next morning, I had to identify his body because I'm the next of kin. And they did the autopsy. And so far, you know, the same thing. I just assumed it was a suicide. But then the city pathologist who did the autopsy with Michael Barton, there's forensic pathologists on my behalf of witnessing this, they both came out of the autopsy room and they said they couldn't, of the suicide because it looked too much like a homicide and then a few days later Barbara Samson who was the chief medical examiner she declares it was a suicide and let's be clear Barbara Samson never saw the body she wasn't at the autopsy and after the autopsy was over

that day we claimed the body so she never saw it also a few days after the death Bill Barr, the then Attorney General, you know, came out publicly and stated that he saw the video and he saw that nobody went in or out of the tear, and that convinced him it was a suicide. And when I heard that, I thought, this is ridiculous, to assume that it was a suicide because nobody went in or out when there were 12 other prisoners on that tier that would not have to go in or out of that door if they were going to kill somebody on the tier. And I was told that cell doors were left unlocked that night. and I was also told by somebody who's familiar with the prison that they weren't surprised to hear that.

And also to think that somebody could get to Jeffrey's tear, go inside, you know, kill somebody, and then leave completely undetected. It's just like a stupid statement. That's not what you're basing on. We can't find out who the other prisoners on that tier were. When did they get there? And where are they now? There's been no interviews of all the prisoners on the tier. which would normally be done in a situation like that.

There's no record of that. And then also the night when they locked up. But we have there's the record of, you know, we know about the two guards that got in trouble, you know, because they weren't doing the rounds. You know, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas. Now, Michael Thomas came on shift in the middle of the night. But he wasn't there when they locked up the tier.

And there's never any, there's never ever just one guard there. In the report, there's a mention of an unnamed guard number one and an unnamed guard, number two. The question is, who are they, and why are they unnamed? Are they actual prison guards? Could they have been put there to, you know, to kill somebody? And then they disappeared into ether without any record of who they are. There's all these unanswered questions that in a normal, clear, honest face,

even if it was a suicide, these questions would not be kept secret. Mr. Coogan, joining us, Chief Legal Officer Golda Law, who has represented nine and counting. Epstein victims. Are any of your clients worried about how people connected to this case or dropping dead like flies? First of all, the moment he was re-arrested in New York when his plane landed or New Jersey, at that moment, I did an interview shortly thereafter advising the general public. He was never making it out alive. And, you know, prophetically, he didn't. I was one of the first ones that said he wouldn't make it out alive. And frankly, I continue to be a disbeliefing

disbeliever in the story that's been populated by the feds and the Department of Justice. There are just way too many connections here. I can also tell you exclusively, because I don't know that I've ever talked about this before, but shortly after he passed in jail, I received a call from one of the guards at the facility who had retired. This is somebody that wasn't working there at the time, but was able to speak with me on authority because he had worked there and said, there is no way that someone within that type of a facility could have the opportunity to commit suicide. This is the most secure, one of the most secure prisons we have in the United States. It is a prison within a prison, within a prison. It is three levels of high security,

constantly monitored, and it was unbelievable to him that somebody in there would potentially be able to commit suicide. And then look at the photographs. This is a gentleman that was on suicide watch just a few weeks prior. And yet they give him sheets and they give him pill bottles and they give him wires. In the photographs, you can see all of the things that they gave him that potentially they could then use later to say, oh, well, look at all this stuff he used to commit suicide. Rearing its ugly head is the accusation that the jail video has been edited from the night of Epstein's death. His own brother refuses to call it a suicide.

Listen to this. Challenging A.G. Bondi's claim of one minute of Epstein prison video is missing due to a daily reset. Wired reports the video was cut together in Adobe Premiere Pro from two video files. If true, this contradicts the Justice Department claimed that footage was raw. Metadata from the raw Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes and 53 seconds were removed from one of two stitched together clips and the cut starts right at the missing minute. Now, keep in mind, there are five suicides connected to the Epstein investigation. Who are they? Number one, obviously Epstein. Number two, his French counterpart, the French Epstein, who was accused and behind bars on supplying underage girls.

Who else? Virginia Jafray and two other Epstein victims, all who could have testified. In a deep dive into the metadata embedded in the video presented to the American people as, quote, raw, wired published analysis indicating the file was assembled. from at least two different source clips saved multiple times over a period of more than three hours on May 23, 2025. The file was then created at 4.48 p.m. and last modified at 8.16 p.m. the same day and uploaded to the Justice Department's website where the edited clip is presented as raw footage. Dave Mac, Crime Stories, investigative reporter who has poured through countless documents and interviews. Dave Mac, we first heard that there was a glitch in the video recording system

where Epstein was housed behind bars. There were a lot of glitches that night weren't there, Dave Mack. Two guards on duty in view of Epstein. He could see them and they could see him. They didn't have to watch the surveillance video. Both of them, either fell asleep, or went online shopping at the time he committed. But it's not just one minute. There's not just one minute missing from the jailhouse video. Is there Dave Mack? Correct.

Nancy, that one minute that Attorney General Bondi has been popping about the reset of the video at 1158, 58, saying that was because it was a 1999 system. Well, that might be explainable if that was the only problem here. But in total, two minutes and 53 seconds of video appears to have been manipulated and is missing. They're able to go in and look at these computer programs and how they're used. They can tell when you make a cut in the video and when you join two separate pieces together, they can look and see from your keyboard strokes everything that's been done to the point where they're able to see how This piece of video was cut, how it was then saved, another piece is cut and saved,

and then the two pieces are brought together. The problem is when you do all that and then present it as supposed raw footage. And it was absolutely titled raw footage. Raw footage, which means unedited. But you could see the jumps, as we call them in this business, the jumps where video is splies together. Listen. Information has not been released about the inmates in cells adjacent to Epstein in the days leading up to his death. There were 12 to 14 inmates near Epstein, but no information about who the inmates were.

When the inmates were placed in the cells near Epstein? How long the individuals had been in jail? When were they moved and where did they go? Mark Epstein says one of the inmates had been in the cell area for a time prior to Epstein's arrest and subsequent detainment and another died after Epstein's death. No information is available about the other. 10 to 12 inmates in the area when Epstein died. An Epstein bombshell, a shadowy figure dressed as an inmate, is spotted climbing the stairs

to Epstein's cell. What? And we're just getting 11 new hours of video. Where's that video been all this time? It's been described as a mystery orange blob, but that is not entirely true. Let's take a look at a clip. we got from the video that has just been released. You have to look. In the original copy, it's a lot easier to see, but it is an elongated orange figure. It's not as they're trying to tell

us somebody carrying laundry that had, that's much better. That's much better. These are steps going up to Epstein's tier. Okay? We've been told the guards were asleep and one was shopping online when he was killed. We've been told the two doors we've seen over and over and over are the only way to get onto his cell tier. That is a lie. See those two doors? Total BS. Those are not the only two ways to get in and out of that tier. Now, we also were told, that there's a problem with the CCTV, that you can't see Epstein's cell. Well, okay, everything we're being fed is poison. Take a listen to this.

The public was already skeptical of the DOJ's claims. The footage from the shoe where Jeffrey Epstein was housed clearly shows Epstein is the only person who entered his cell block the night of his death. A mysterious orange blob climbing the steps to L Block has eviscerated all trust in their review. The Inspector General says the movement on the staircase around 10.40 p.m. is C.O. Tova Noel, carrying inmate linens up to the L block. But video analysis experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange, not carrying orange material. Straight out to Tisa Tells joining us. Investigative reporter, she's at Tisa Tells on YouTube. Tisa, hit me. The fact that we are looking on a highly edited tape, they've released 11 hours, they said there was a

minute that skip we now know that there's about eight minutes missing from that tape there's not even the full it's 10 hours 52 minutes we clearly see a shadowy orange figure and they want us at in a did in a post-ditty trial world to believe that it's some tom and jerry stack of uh orange jumpsuits up to the ceiling that they're carrying through the uh through the correctional facility and they want us to believe that that's not a human the fact that the administration. Listen, who knows why they are telling us not to believe our lying eyes, but we see it for what it is. That is a human being walking into a cell area. Let's see it again. She's right. T said my words exactly. Should I believe you or my lying eyes? I see what I see.

Joining us right now is a very special guest. It is Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark Epstein. Mark, I know that people are using you like a crystal ball to try to see into the mind of your brother, Jeffrey Epstein. What I want to talk to you about is that orange-clad figure that is now appearing on video and people are seeing it for the first time, which is concerning and not in a good way, that we are just now seeing video, which looks like someone walking up and down a stairwell coming out of a stairwell and walking around on your brother's floor. Well, there's a lot of things on that video that don't make sense. In the early part of the video, they said that they saw Jeffrey being walked into his cell. First of all, you can't tell

if that's Jeffrey or not. You can't tell who it is. And you don't just walk into Jeffrey's cell off of that common area. You have to go up that staircase through a barred locked door and then into the cell, he was the first cell on the right-hand side of the Tia. So you don't just casually walk into his cell. And, you know, I've said before, every time the government tries to squash this thing, they just get deeper into a hole with, you know, misinformation. People have viewed the videotape, and they've seen it's been edited, and it's been doctored, and it's split from a couple of different feeds.

So, you know, how do you trust this? You can't. The House Oversight Committee has released over, 33,000 pages of Epstein-related records and dozens of video and audio recordings associated with the investigation. Though committee members have warned that in addition to heavy redaction, over 97% of the release is already public, those diving into the files have discovered interesting bits in the 3% that is new. Most interesting? The missing minute of the MCC surveillance footage has been found. Sydney Sumner, what does the vehicle?

depict? According to the government, the video depicts the material handler, this unnamed employee who was also on shift at the time of Tova Noel, leaving to go home. So they are claiming that this is an employee who just finished his shift and is heading home for the night and he walks off screen toward the main interests of the shoe and does not approach Epstein's cell. That's what they tell us is happening. But of course, the angle of this video is just absolutely horrible. It really doesn't show us much of anything. So it's really unclear if he did head out the main entrance of the shoe, or could that person have gone up to where Epstein was being housed? We don't know. Well, Sadney-Somner, obviously, there is more than one person in that area around Epstein's

cell. It's not just one person leaving for the night. There are more people, And what we are being told is there is a cluster of movement outside Epstein's cell. Well, so what we can see in the video, these are the bottom of the stairs leading up to Epstein's cell block. So we can just barely see a sliver of that staircase. And earlier in the previous release of this surveillance video, we all saw that orange blob. And again, they told us that that person was actually heading. up toward that cell block carrying, it was an employee apparently carrying inmate linens or an inmate uniform. And of course, we're all screaming BS. That's somebody in an inmate uniform

walking up that staircase. So it's a very unclear angle, but you're right. It doesn't look like just one person. All along, we have had nothing but lies. Lies. I was 14 years old. I was 16 years old. I was 16. 17. 14 years old. This is me. This was me.

This was me. When I met Jeffrey Epstein. This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein. It's time to bring the secrets out of the shadows. It's time to shine a light into the darkness. These are women who have come forward, and it's a whole slew of women. Kickin the can down the road. We are not having it.

We're going to keep the pressure. pressure up. Epstein victims storm D.C. demanding justice. I was only 14 years old when I met Jeffrey. It was the summer of high school. I was working three jobs to try to support my mom and my sister when a friend of mine in the neighborhood told me that I could make $300 to give another guy a massage. It went from a dream job to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey assistant Leslie Groff would call me and tell me that I needed to be at the house so often that I ended up dropping out of high school before ninth grade and I never went back from 14 to 17 years old I went and worked for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education every day I hope that he would offer me a real job as one of his assistant or something something important I would finally have made it big, like we say, the American dream, that they never came. I had no way out.

I was until you finally told me that I was too old. There are many pieces of my story that I can't remember, no matter how hard I try. The constant state of wonder causes me so much fear and so much confusion. My therapist is that my brain is just trying to protect the self. But it's so hard to begin to heal knowing that there are people out there who know more about my abuse than I do. The worst part is that the government is still in possession right now of the documents and information about that could help me remember and get over all of this maybe and help me heal. They have documents with my name on them that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help me put the pieces of my own life back together, but I don't have any of it.

And I know the same is true for many of these women. My name is Annie Farmer, and I was 16 years old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend a weekend with Epstein and Maxwell. That same year, 1996, my sister, Maria Farmer, reported what happened to me there. along with reporting her own assault at their hands and their theft of sensitive photos, of herself, of me, and our younger sister that she had taken for her work as a figurative painter. I am now 46 years old. 30 years later, we still do not know why that report wasn't properly investigated, or why Epstein and his associates were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands,

of other girls and young women. We have never been told whether those immigrants, Images were found when they discovered a large amount of child sexual abuse material on his property. When I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein, undressed, and asked me to do things to him. My eyes welled up with tears, and I have never been more scared in my life. When it was over, he paid me $200 and requested an exchange that I bring a girl each time to make another $200. I told him I did not want to do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I felt in hope to never hear from him again, but he called me every day.

He was so wealthy and powerful, and he would not let me go. I felt I had no choice. If I disobeyed him, I knew something bad would happen. I would like to announce here today, us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list. We know the names. Many of us were abused by them. Now together as survivors, we will confidentially. compile the names we all know who regularly and who are regularly in the Epstein

world and it will be done by survivors and for survivors no one else is involved that from at rep Thomas Massey on X you are seeing the survivors in DC in the last days demanding justice crime stories with Nancy I want to introduce to you a very special guest, a Jeffrey Epstein survivor. I hate to always say victim, because Lisa Phillips has gone on to become a warrior. Yes, she's a mother of three. Yes, she's a gorgeous former Ford agency model. Yes, she's been in a major motion picture, among many things.

Any given Sunday, a lot of people have seen that. She's in it. She's beautiful. She's accomplished. She's articulate. She's also a Jeffrey Epstein victim now survivor slash warrior. Lisa, thank you for being with us. Well, I just want to say thank you for that intro.

The survivors are here because we are fed up and we are not victims. We do not like to be called victims. We are survivors. We're taking our power back. Because what happened to me on that island back in 2000 should have never happened. I was brought there by another young girl.

And that was the genius of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring as he got other girls and young women to bring more. So when you flew, when you were flying, to the island. What did you think was going to happen, Lisa? Nancy, I took a boat to the island. I was at Tortola, the island next door. What kind of boat? Like a ferry boat. So, somebody picked you up at a dock. You got on. They took you over and they dropped you off at an appointed spot. Is that correct? That's correct. That is exactly what the other victims say. Victims you haven't even spoken to or, or you don't know their names. So amazing how your story's already

are like a fingerprint story. They fit exactly. Okay. You get to Epstein's island, and what happens? We actually had a really good time on the island for the first several hours, hanging out in the pool, and, you know, we had a wonderful dinner where I met Jeffrey Epstein. And Jeffrey is charming, and he's very intelligent, and he's locked in on you. You stated that you were told, hey, it's just a massage.

You have to do it. Who told you that? the girl who brought me there how in the hay did it get to you've got to give him a massage just like that it was so quick it was a wonderful day just the normal day and then right when it was time everything changed everything went dark the whole island looked different the walk to his bedroom the anticipation the anxiousness of like what the freak is going on here and i'm looking at her and I could see she has a little fear in her eyes, you know, something was wrong with her because she didn't want to do it, you know, but it's just something she took a deep breath

and she was like, we have to do it. And so I just went with her because I didn't feel like I had a choice. I was literally trapped on an island at that point. There was nowhere to run. And I was scared of death of saying, no, I'm not going to do it. I didn't have it in me. Be like, no way. You know, I just couldn't do it. I just froze and just went with her. And then what happened? Like the genius of Jeffrey Epstein, it was a real massage. It really was. It was playful and he was funny and he was now asking personal, flirty questions.

And he tries to make it seem like it's no big deal. You know, that's how he is. Until then he turns, there's a little darkness. There's a lot of darkness in Jeffrey Epstein. So he has this mask of I'm your mentor, I'm going to help you out, I'm this great caring, wonderful person. Look at all my rich, powerful friends. He has this exterior that pulls, you know, young women in because he makes them feel really safe and makes you feel seen and heard. That's for sure. But then there's a darkness that switches when he just wants to get what he wants. And so he loves massages. He does. That is his baseline, his massages. But then it always switches until some type of, um, a little bit of torture. You know, he wants to hurt you a little bit. Uh, with his with his hands and with objects and with the fact that he can control the two young women in the room.

So it was scary. It was just, I'm traumatized every time I think about it. I know you have to ask these questions, but it was just the worst night of my life. Lisa, did he do you? Yes. And then you said the secretary would then call you non-stop to get you to bring other girls, women, to the island. Wait a minute, wait a minute, I'm getting ahead of myself.

After he married you. I'm sorry. You know what I'm asking you this, Lisa, because people don't think. it happened because no one is doing anything because galane maxwell is on the verge of walking free i'm not letting it go because there are other clients that statutory girls and that forced young women into unwanted sex that's and nothing is being done and i don't get it I don't get why we're being lied to. And I see you sitting there crying and it's like pouring gas on a fire to me to think nothing has been done.

Nothing. Nothing. I also don't believe he committed suicide. That's total BS. Yes. What is your message tonight, Lisa? It is not your fault. not your fault. It took me a long time to get there. And sometimes it's just seeing other

survivors. Sometimes you just need to connect with other survivors, whether it's Epstein or any other serial predator or anyone who can listen to you. You need support and you need to find the community. And you're not alone. You are not alone. to all the survivors out there right now we are speaking with Lisa Phillips who survived Epstein please stay strong and keep the faith Lisa thank you for being with us and thank you for being brave for other crime victims to see you and hear you and understand what you've been through what you will always be going through because of Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell, but yet you are still fighting the fight.

And now we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jacob Pickett, Boone County Sheriff's Indiana, 34, shot and killed in the line of duty, survived by wife-turned-witted widow, Jennifer, sons, Lincoln, and Wade, American hero. Deputy Sheriff Jacob Pickett. Nancy Grace signing off. Good night, friend.