Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - FIND SARM: CCTV SPOTS MISSING STEWARDESS BEFORE VANISHING OFF YACHT

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

Sarm Heslop has a restless sense of adventure and works various jobs to fund her passion for travel and sailing. Working as a flight attendant for Flybe in the UK, a waitress in Gibraltar and Malta, and even working in a call center to fund her exotic adventures. Sarm meets Ryan Bane on Tinder and becomes close enough that she moves to the Virgin Islands and joins Bane onboard his 47-foot luxury catamaran, Siren Song, as a chef. The "Siren Song" is a working charter yacht available for private charge and is moored in a bay off the western coast of Saint John, US Virgin Islands. Living on board the Siren Song, called the Virgin Islands Premier Luxury Sailing Charter, Sarm is living her best life. On the evening of March 7, Sarm and Bane go to the Island of Saint John for dinner. Leaving the restaurant, they board a small dinghy for the 200-foot hop to where Siren Song is moored offshore. Bane says Sarm is asleep by 10pm. Around 2:30am, Bane awakens but can't find Sarm. He takes a dinghy to the shore to report her missing to island police, suggesting she may have fallen overboard. Police tell him to call the Coast Guard. Bane does not notify the coast guard immediately. For reasons unknown, he waits until 11:45 a.m. to notify the Coast Guard that Sarm is missing. When coast guard officials arrive, an intoxicated Bane refuses to allow them to board the catamaran to conduct a search. Police not being allowed to search the boat leads them to issue citations to Bane on account of not being allowed to search the boat, not having registration documentation, and safety equipment violations. The nine-hour time gap between when Bane contacts Island Police and the time he calls the coast guard has been questioned by Sarm's family and even a fellow skipper on a boat moored nearby the Siren Song. The skipper says he heard no shouts from the catamaran, nobody hollering for someone who might have fallen overboard. Sarm's phone, wallet, and passport are left behind on the boat and are turned over to the police. An intensive search of the coastline begins with dogs on shore, divers in the water, and drones overhead. As word spreads of the missing woman, a local dog walker on Saint John says they heard a scream out at sea, in the direction of where the catamaran is anchored, around the time of Sarm's disappearance. Jeff Jones, ASAR/Disaster Area Response Team A volunteer, tells Nancy Grace he spoke to the captain there the night she went missing. He actually comes on base Sunday morning and drops anchor about one hundred twenty feet away from the Siren Song, and he is there overnight on the vessel. He's also a term charter captain with another catamaran for hire, and he saw nothing, heard nothing, and was unaware of any unusual foul play until the next day when the coast guard showed up. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Andrew Baldwin - Sarm Heslop's Friend of 25 years; 'Best Man' at his Wedding Kate Vernalls - Former Roommate of Sarm Heslop    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Help us find Sarm. Chilling, closed circuit TV, spots the missing flight attendant just before she vanishes off her boyfriend's yacht. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. A young woman. with a love for adventure spent her days sailing the beautiful waters of the Virgin Islands,

working in the glamorous world of luxury yachts. She had once been a flight attendant driven by her desire to explore the globe until her journey came to an unexpected halt. Where is Sarm? Let's start at the beginning. We began to search initially the day we became aware that she went missing that Monday afternoon. We initially the first six days spent a lot of time in small craft, searching shoreline, scuba diving, snorkeling, and transition to a ground search using volunteers on foot, searching the terrain in heavy, heavy bush, as well as along rough reef, rocks, using drones, taking those maps that we've created from the drone imagery. and entered into the software,

it stitches all this together and makes a very high-resolution map. We found nothing. We found no evidence of anything. Not a clothing, not shoes, not an unusual broken twig. So where is Sarm Haslop? In the last days,

previously buried closed circuit TV reveals her last moments where she was known alive. Newly released footage just before her disappearance. Joining me an all-star panel, but first, there's the footage, guys. Look at that. And there's a very, very disturbing clue about that because apparently she's wearing, this is just before

she goes missing. There she is, walking along with the boyfriend. She's wearing something altogether different in this clothes, video than what she was described as wearing when she goes missing shortly after this very chilling closed circuit TV video. That's Sarm Haslop right there. They're getting in a dinghy and they're heading out to the boyfriend's yacht. That's got to be excruciating for her family to feel so close to her in this video and then it all ends just before she seemingly

vanishes into thin air. Again, an all-star panel joining us tonight, but I want to go to two very special guests first. It's Kate Vernal's former roommate with Sarm Hezlop and Andrew Baldwin, a very dear friend for years and years. Andrew, thank you for being with us tonight. did you learn that Sarm was missing? I got a call from Kate Owen. It was the day after that she went missing. So kind of nearly 36 hours after I got a frantic call from Kate. And all she said

was, you know, and I remember the words they still chill me now, Sam's missing. And we don't know where she is. They just come out of the blue. Andrew Baldwin, I don't understand. The night that you learn. Your dear friend of many, many years, has just vanished. What were you told, if anything, as to what happened to her? Initially, I was just told that she was missing. Kate Owen at the time had just had a call from Ryan Bain to say that she'd gone missing the previous night. So it was 24 hours after she'd got missing and literally said she'd gone missing in the middle of the night. They didn't know where she was. Talked about an anchor alarm, talked about people searching. But there were very, very few details. And subsequent to that,

I had a conversation with Ryan Bain. You spoke to the boyfriend, the so-called boyfriend Ryan Bain. Is that correct, Andrew? That's correct, just after the call from Kate. So I find it really difficult to believe that this is how it goes down. We've seen the newly released closed circuit TV video. And he, Ryan Bang, the so-called boyfriend, is walking with Sarm. They had been in the town. They were leaving. I believe they'd been to a restaurant slash bar. They were going back to his yacht. And then some, I mean, the yachts, it's not that big. They're not that many rooms to look in. So they're on a yacht and she vanishes off the yacht in the middle of the night. Andrew, what? How?

the dingy was still there. So where did she go? I think that's exactly what we're asking ourselves. You know, the information we got that she just disappeared. There was an original, maybe she went off somewhere. Maybe she met some friends, but it was late. It was during COVID. I think that's highly unlikely.

All of her belongings were on the boat. Put him up, please. I need to ask him a question. Andrew, I'm sorry. That doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean? She went off with friends. She gets on the dinghy with the boyfriend. They go to his yacht.

They disembark the dingy. They get on the yacht. The dingy's tied to the yacht. When the boyfriend wakes up, the dingy's still there. Right. So what, does somebody beam her up, Scotty? I mean, what do you mean? She went somewhere with friends.

That's impossible. She did not leave the yacht. I think we never, you know, that was something that kind of, maybe she went off, maybe someone picked her up, maybe she went to, went and met someone. But there was, she didn't know that many people on the island and all the people that she knew wouldn't, wouldn't have done that. So find that really hard to believe. And then kind of the thing that was suggested was that she'd fallen off the boat and drifted away. Fallen off the boat and drifted away. I'd like, can I go now to Kate Vernal's

Former roommate of Sarmes, Kate, fell off the boat and drifted away. I think from the outset it was just a ridiculous theory. Sarm had sailed across the Atlantic and not fallen overboard. So to suggest that she had fallen overboard in the middle of the night on a yacht that was moored so close to shore, just seems absolutely impossible. and ridiculous. First of all, I want to figure out how in the hay did this beautiful, young, brilliant woman end up on a yacht, out in the middle of her ocean, of the ocean, with her family, a world away. Listen.

Sarm Heslop has a restless sense of adventure and works various jobs to fund her passion for travel and sailing, working as a flight attendant for Flybee in the UK, a waitress in Gibraltar and Malta, even working in a call. Center to fund her exotic adventures she's adventurousome she works all over the world tell me about that andrew baldwin she just loved new experiences you know nancy she loved to meet people she loved new cultures new destinations she liked to do things that perhaps some of us just wouldn't do i remember her calling me and saying that she was sailing across the atlantic on a yacht i just you know no one would do that

No one would think about doing that, but she would do things that enriched her life and enriched, you know, what she was doing and got great experience. She wasn't someone who wanted to settle down nine to five. She just wanted to see everything that the world had to offer her, and she did. You know, I really don't like, Andrew, when people suggest that she, quote, asked for bad fortune because she traveled the world. and did adventurous things. If a man did that, nobody would think twice. I remember asking my now husband, learn to dive with me. Let's go all over the world and dive. He didn't want to. He wanted to stay in his office. And he did. I didn't. And I ended up going all over the world diving. Now, I don't want my children to do it because it's incredibly dangerous. And once I had

them, Andrew, I swore it off. I've never done it again because it's too important to me that I with them to bring them up. Or hiking. I said, David, please, go hiking with me. Now, didn't want to take off work and I don't fault him. I even married him. But my point is, just because she is adventurous, I don't like the insinuations made about her. This girl was scrubbed in sunshine. She loved life and I don't like those insinuations about her, Andrew. The thing about Sam, she was so loyal. She was a friend that if you wanted something or you needed to speak to someone or she'd be there for you. She'd be there at the end of the phone. She'd be there. She was such a loyal, trustworthy person. She traveled safe. She was very street savvy. She was very

conscious of the world around her, conscious of how to travel safe, how to meet people safely, how to, kind of traveling around the world, you know, she was very, very smart. So she would not do anything that she felt that would be dangerous to her. And she would take advice. So, you know, I completely refute any insinuation that she shouldn't have been traveling. And I agree, if I wanted to go traveling or do anything, no one would say anything. This wonderful woman that we call our friend just did things that she wanted to do. live her life the way she wanted to do it. And no one should blame her for that.

You're preaching to the choir, Andrew Baldwin, to Kate Vernal, her roommate. Kate, I assume you agree with me. I do not like the insinuation that somehow because she traveled the world and wanted to see it all and do it all and experience it all, that that somehow makes her a big hope. I don't get that. Nothing could be further from the truth. No, I agree with you completely. I think watching her go on all these adventurers and being headstrong, but spontaneous, she was really meticulous, she would organise down to the last, to the last point. And I always was excited for her and I think she should be praised for not conforming to a nine to five to actually doing what we all dream to do by going on holiday once a year.

That was what she just wanted to do with her life. I don't think anyone should be put down for wanting to have a fun life. Is it jealousy? Maybe, you know, this is a young woman who's living the life that she wants to live and not conforming to a nine to five. I was always in support of her travelling. We would always stay in communication and she would always come back, you know, and then save up to go away again.

Whereas why is that wrong? You know, I think it's something we all want to do, but we just do it for two weeks of a year to go on holiday rather than making it how we want to look back on our lives. And she was working. She worked the entire time. Enter the boyfriend, Ryan Bain. Listen.

Sarm meets Ryan Bain online and becomes close enough she moves to the Virgin Islands and joins Bain on board his 47-foot luxury catamaran, Siren Song, as a chef. The Siren Song is a working charter yacht available for private charge and is moored in a bay off the western coast of St. John, U.S. Virgin Islands. Andrew, what was her plan? She meets Bain online. Does she fall in love with him? Is that what happened? Yeah, I think Lyme and Brian met when Sam was in the Caribbean and they formed a relationship

and, you know, she was really open about that and she was excited about it. Then she, her travel was over and she moved back to Malta to some friends and she worked in Malta to fund more of her trips like we've already said to fund more and to do more adventures. And I think the calling that, you know, she kind of realized being a part that actually I want to give this relationship a go. I want to go back and I want to, but I want to go back on my terms. I want to go back and fund myself. I want to be working. I don't want to go back and just be a girlfriend. I want to go back and work and I want to pursue a career and work, work it in this business. Hi.

People would describe Sam as a free spirit. Adventurous, sarcastic, bonkers. So that is our boat. Golly guys, love you. I had a miss call on my phone. Sam's missing. Massive search and rescue operation is underway for a British Former flight attendant.

While sailing around the Caribbean, Sarmeslop vanished. That from missing in paradise, searching for Sarm, now available to U.S. audiences on BBC Select. Living on board the Siren Song called the Virgin Islands premiere luxury sailing charter, Sarm is living her best life.

On the evening of March 7th, Sarm and Bain go to the island of St. John for dinner. Leaving the restaurant, they board a small dingy for the 200-foot hop to where Siren Song is moored off. sure. Bain says Sarm is asleep by 10 p.m. 200 feet. That's not far at all. But from what we've been told, the depth goes from about four to five feet, and then after you're out just a very short distance, it drops to 40

or 50 feet. So here we go. 2.30 a.m. he wakes up and discovers he can't find Saarm? What else happened? At 2.30 a.m., Bain awakens but can't find Sarm. He takes a dingy to the shore to report her missing to island police, suggesting she may have fallen overboard. Police tell him to call the Coast Guard. Bain does not notify the Coast Guard immediately. For reasons unknown, he waits until 1145 to notify the Coast Guard this SARM is missing. When Coast Guard officials arrive, an intoxicated Bain refuses to allow them to board the catamaran to conduct a surge.

Okay, right there, Andrew, I've got a problem with him not allowing them on board. If he wants to find SARM, why wouldn't he allow them on board the yacht? I mean, we've got a problem. This is where our problems begin, with the timeline. The timeline is where the problems begin. You know, the call to the police, the meeting of the police, and then nine hours passed before the call to the Coast Guard. and nine hours of time

where she was still missing wherever she was. And the reports and the Coast Guard that were retained quite clear to state that the Coast Guard and the USB urgent

Island Police wanted to come on board and potentially searched the boat and he refused them entry to the main area of the boat because he was intoxicated and they didn't want to

put themselves in any risk and any danger. At that point she was missing at that point we didn't know what was happening. So they didn't want to put themselves obviously in a danger so they left.

Kate Vernal, the roommate of Sarm Hezlop, the long delay, have you ever spoken to Bain, the boyfriend, and asked, why did you wait? Nearly 10 hours to get the Coast Guard? No, Andrew is Sarm's only friend who's spoken to Ryan, with the exception of Kate Owen. it would be my first and maybe only question to ask Ryan if I had the opportunity

because he woke up, saw Sam wasn't there, he went to shore, he spoke to the police, he was told to come back to the boat to call the Coast Guard, but he didn't call the Coast Guard. He didn't even get on the radio. There's a continuously monitored channel on the radio frequency that is monitored by the Coast Guard. That didn't happen. He didn't set off any flares. He didn't even call her name if you speak to the other two captains of the neighbouring vessels. They didn't hear anything that night. So he doesn't even get in his dinghy to go looking for her. He gets in his dingy to go to shore to speak to the police, but then he just comes straight back.

There's no evidence of him reaching out to anybody else to ask for help to search for some. Angie Baldwin, did you ask Bain anything about the delay? At that point I spoke to him probably in the immediacy that I was called on kind of the second day and then I think I spoke to him twice and at that point we didn't know any of this we only knew that the wording I got from Brian Bain was I'm out searching I'm looking for her I'm out on the boat we're doing everything we can we're getting loads of people searching for we had no idea at this point of this timeline and what happened so you know that only come out kind of in the weeks after she went missing that we found out about this gap

and by which point he was not talking he was not communicating he wasn't answering messages he had his lawyer and therefore there's been no opportunity I think after that point to ask him any questions joining us now from ASAR disaster area response team Jeff Jones Jeff um when did you first to get to the scene? I was initially on seeing the next morning, beginning to do ski diving, as well as shoreline-based search with small craft throughout Frank Bay.

That next morning, there were two vessels in that bay, but I spoke to one captain myself who was there the night that she went allegedly was missing it around 2 a.m. when Mr. Bain noticed her gone. And that vessel was about 100 to 120 feet to the northwest in that same mooring area in Frank Bay.

The same mooring area there in Frank Bay. And, you know, Jeff, you're stating that you spoke to the captain who was there that night? I spoke to a captain who was there the night she went missing. He actually came into that bay Sunday morning, and it dropped anchor about 100 to 120 feet away from the siren song. And he was there overnight on that vessel. He's also a termed charter captain with another catamaran for hire. and he saw nothing, heard nothing, and was unaware of any unusual foul play

until the next day when the Coast Guard showed up. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. That's a lot of time, Andrew Baldwin, for the captains on vessels around Bain. They had no idea anything was wrong. None of them were alerted by him. There wasn't a siren. Nothing. I mean, we've all seen those boat horns that are incredibly loud. Why didn't he call out on those to the boats, the vessels around him, asking for help, asking them to look for Sarm? They knew nothing until the Coast Guard pulls up the next day, essentially. yeah I mean that's what's come out you know we knew there were two boats close so we kind of all assumed that you know like any search so you would be speaking to the boats asking for their assistance putting lights in the water if she had

fallen off like there was an assumption then you would be shouting her name you'd be he had a dinghy he could have bang on the side of the boat he could have called her name and shouted we've seen interviews with both captains both captains independently and both captain stated they woke up that morning and there was nothing different than any other morning they woke up siren song was quiet there was nothing going on there was no one shouting there was no one looking there wasn't someone screaming there was nothing happening on that boat in the first thing in the morning she went missing so what was going on what was he doing like waiting to pick up the phone you know what would if it was my loved one my family any of my friends i would be

I would be screaming, I would be shouting, I would be calling for help. The boats were 100 feet away, maybe 200 feet away. They would have, if they'd have shouted, if Ryan Bain had shouted, they would have heard him, and they said that. And they're both experienced captains that would have heard him say something. And he said nothing to those boats. What about it to you, Kate Vernal? What do you make of it?

I just think there's a lot of contradiction happening. The story from the captain of the siren song differs completely from the story given by the captains of the two mooring boats. As Andrew said, they both woke up the next morning. It was a calm morning. Nothing appeared to be out of the ordinary. And both captains of the other vessels confirmed that if he had to set off a flare, if he had a shouted her name even, it would have woken them up.

It would have alerted them and they would have helped search. So there is a reason that only he knows why he didn't. call the Coast Guard on the phone, he didn't call them on the radio, he didn't shout for help. And it's not acceptable that the answer would be, well, she might have gone to shore to have drinks with friends. If she did that then, she would have had to have swum to shore. It was COVID. There was a curfew from what she told us that all the bars and restaurants closed at 10pm. So there is no logical explanation to delay calling the Coast Guard by nine hours unless you are waiting for something to something else to happen for a

suitable time to pass maybe he went back to the boat and he fell asleep none of it is excusable but none of it is acceptable as a reason not to call the Coast Guard and of course there is the little town there back to Jeff Jones joining us from ASAR disaster area response team what can you Tell me about how far the yacht was moored from the town. And what about the town itself? I would say between 140 to 160 feet, and it's just around the corner from Cruz Bay, which Cruz Bay is our local town, from Cruz Bay, which is the city center, so to speak, for our island here on St. John.

It's where all the bars, restaurants, shopping, the water sports, the dive shops, everything's located at. It's maybe a three-minute walk from there just around the corner in another bay called Frank Bay. So very, very close. But the issue is, what are we supposed to believe that she jumped into the water and swam ashore? I mean, tell me about the underwater terrain, Jeff. Where it's at exactly is probably between 15 to 20 feet, but within 50 feet it gets into 5 foot away. It's a very, very clear bay that's primarily sandy bottom with some rocks and reef involved, but for the most part, it's a pretty shallow bay. Most of all of our waters down near the Caribbean are shallow. When we initially began doing our grid search patterns, we were doing small craft, trying to cover the most amount of area quickly, and we were, most of that was done, you know, visually above the water because the water is so clear. At the next day, we were doing dives.

in 40 to 50 foot of water, we could see, you know, visibility 40, 50 foot deep easily. You know, I'm also curious, and I'm going to throw this to Andrew and Kate, I want you to hear what she left behind on her boyfriend's yacht. SARM's phone, wallet, and passport were left behind on the boat and turned over to police. An intensive search of the coastline begins with dogs on shore, divers in the water and drones overhead. As word spreads of the missing woman, a local dog walker on St. John,

says they heard a scream out at sea in the direction of where the catamaran was anchored around the time of Sarm's disappearance. So one person hears a scream, they think. They don't know where it came from. I'm also intrigued Andrew Baldwin. Okay, suspicious. Her wallet, her phone, her passport,

all still on the yacht. So that completely destroys the theory that she went back in town somehow what swam and went back into town even though everything was closed during COVID, dripping wet, and uh-oh, she forgot her wallet,

her credit cards, her ID, her passport. So she couldn't get anything to eat. She couldn't get anything to drink. She's dripping wet. Help me out. She wouldn't have left those eyes. items in the first place. And, you know, she definitely wouldn't have gone swimming. She's savvy. She wouldn't be swimming at night. You know, Kate Owen, who traveled with her, they were really, really clean. You don't swim at night in the Caribbean on your own. You don't swim on your own.

You need to tell us where you are. There's no reason why she would leave those things. She wouldn't leave those things. She would never get off the boat leaving her, her phone, her ID, her wallet, not willingly. What about it, Kate Vernals? Yeah, I think it's ridiculous to suggest that she went to shore and left. everything. Yeah, you can have the watertight bags, but she wouldn't swim to shore and leave everything there. It's her passport, her iPad, her phone, her wallet.

The suggestion that she went to shore after seeing that those things were left on the boat is just another statement that doesn't ring true to anyone. I don't think that that would be a viable thing that anyone would do. In the last weeks, newly released CCTV closed circuit TV footage has revealed what I consider to be a very critical clue. Listen. The family complains about the CCTV footage. They are shown by police, not just because they don't get to see all of it, but the clothing she is wearing in the footage is not what she is described as wearing, according to the last witness to see her. It stated that Sarm was wearing

a black dress with flowers on it, but in the CCTV footage, she is wearing a top with either shorts or a skirt. The black dress was also not among items returned to the family after she vanished. Okay, that is a very big issue. Why were we told by Bain the boyfriend that she's wearing a black dress when clearly that's not what she's wearing? She's not wearing that. And that very same black dress was not amongst the items her clothing and all of her possessions that were returned to the family after she disappeared. So where's the black dress and why the wardrobe change? Or is it all a big lie? Andrew Baldwin, do you see the significance of this? We've never really been able to get to the root, the crux of that issue, because, you know,

I think he said that very early on about the clothing. And obviously, no one's been able to question him or asking questions about that point because he's now not talking. And he's So, and that's just something that he could clear up, you know. Maybe there's an explanation. I don't know. But the fact that you're not talking means you can't clear up anything. Kate Vernal's joining us from a roommate of Sarms. What do you make of the missing black dress in the alleged wardrobe change in the middle of the night?

I think it's possible that after the CCTV footage, she goes back to the boat she gets changed. That could very well be the reason that Ryan says that that's what she's wearing. I'm sorry, no. Wait, wait, Kate, you're going to have to help me with your timeline. Because we see them on the footage going back to the dinghy, getting on the dinghy, which is going to take them back to his yacht. He says they went to sleep at 10 p.m. So, change clothes into a black cocktail dress for what?

And when? I mean, we see them they've gone out to dinner. It's dark. getting back to the yacht, and when was she supposed to change clothes, and for what? And where's the black dress? Yeah. No one knows where this black dress is or where the suggestion of a black dress even came from. That is literally Ryan's word against anyone's, and as you can see from the CCTV footage, she's not wearing a black dress. So is it a mistake that he made when he described what she was wearing when she went missing?

or perhaps it is just a Freudian slip. I have no idea where the black dresses. We wasn't in her belongings when they were returned by the police. So it's just another one of those little trip-ups that doesn't... Well, you know, Kate, I appreciate your phraseology, but some would say, boyfriend, Bain, why are you lying? clearly not wearing a black dress. According to you, Bain, you leave dinner, you get on the dinghy, you go to the yacht, and then you're asleep very shortly after that at 10 p.m. That's his words,

not mine. So why the wardrobe change? You don't remember what she was wearing that night, a couple of hours before? Yeah, see, I've got a problem with that. But that said, I've got another problem when your beloved goes missing, and instead of talking to police, you, you, claim the Fifth Amendment. Okay, the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. Now, judges instruct juries, you are not to consider or note that a suspect chooses to remain silent and take the Fifth Amendment. That's neither here nor there. But look around, everybody. We're not in court. We can comment. And hell would freeze over before I would stay silent while my husband is missing. But that is what happened. Listen. Bain's actions during the investigation have come

under scrutiny from Sarmes family. Bain claims his lawyer advises him to use his Fourth Amendment right to prevent a full forensic search of his yacht. And when police tried to question him, he invokes his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. And he takes off. Bain leaves the Virgin Islands five weeks after Sarm's disappearance, while the search is ongoing and sets sale for Grenada, where he replaces the refrigerator in the siren song. Bain then removes the name from the luxury catamaran and sells it for around a quarter of a million dollars.

And more dark clouds on the horizon when Bain's ex-wife, Corey Stevenson, weighs in. crime stories with nancy grace with the disappearance of sarm bain's ex-wife corey stevenson publicly states he was violent during their marriage and he was even arrested on domestic assault charges against her that landed him in jail none of this bodes well andrew baldwin has the boyfriend Bain just completely dropped

off the map. It's like Sarm never existed. He did. You know, he, the only person that was talking on his behalf of his lawyer. So we weren't able to, the police weren't able

to answer any questions. And, you know, and I don't know the U.S. legal system, but why couldn't he answer questions with a lawyer there? Why couldn't he, you know, I don't mean the police were saying that you're under arrest, we just want to know what you know. He didn't even answer those questions. It's only been more recently that he has come out on social media with some information

that he wanted to share, some information that there's more about poking holes in the investigation from his side. And what would that be, Andrew Baldwin, that he has shared recently? So he shared an open letter that kind of talks about things that he thinks that could happened that talks about Sam and which talks about Cato in which which suggests you kind of puts up a defense and says you know every one that's talking about him is only looking at one side they're not looking at his side and they're not then asking him him we no one could ask you because you didn't answer any questions you wouldn't talk so therefore

you know if you'd come forward and have a conversation with the police with your lawyer present maybe maybe you know maybe there's information that you have that could have could have found out earlier what happened that night to sound you know kate vernal's this statement issued by the then-boyfriend basically says i didn't murder her why not speak at the time the search was going on why just issue a comment when you can't be questioned yeah there's absolutely no reason not to speak to the police if you haven't done anything wrong then just speak to the police and tell them what you know um his attorney said that um there's nothing wrong with him getting an attorney before he calls the coast guard that's perfectly normal i don't

think that's personally perfectly normal at all i don't think anyone would even think to do that unless they've done something wrong if your loved one your friend a crew member has gone missing and you've done nothing wrong and there's no foul play why do you need to call your returning. I don't think that's normal behavior. I think it's completely not normal to seek for help and to tell your story to tell the police what's happened. It's not normal to go into social media and post your story before you've even spoken to the police. And just to add to that, his attorney said that if the police did want to speak to him, all they had to do was reach out to Ryan and ask him to come back and make a statement.

Why do the police need to ask you to come back and do that? You were her boyfriend, you supposedly loved her, and you're heartbroken. Why aren't you just voluntarily going back to the U.S. Virgin Islands and speaking to the police to make your statement? Why do you have to be asked? In this bizarre five-page, quote, open letter,

the so-called boyfriend, Ryan Bain, speaks mostly about himself, how he has been vilified, and placed under a, quote, false sense of suspicion. And he says, the truth is, I just wanted to protect myself. Okay.

I have a concern with that. Of course, if this ever did go to a jury trial and he is presumed innocent, of course. No one could comment on his right to remain silent, but we're not in court. We can analyze the facts as we see them. The letter is addressed to invest investigative journalists and, for the most part, rails, I guess what he calls, unfair coverage,

accusing the media of omitting crucial facts. Really? What facts? What facts? If he has facts that are unknown to everyone else, let's hear them. He claims no one observed signs of a fight. Was anybody else on the yacht that could have seen the fight if it existed? No evidence of an argument. Really? No one else was on the yacht. Nobody knows what happened on the yacht. No scratches or marks to suggest a struggle. Isn't it true that he would not allow searches of his yacht? So we don't know what shape the yacht was in. I welcome Mr. Bain to join us here on crime stories and give us his side of the story. recount all the facts to which he is referring that point to his innocence. In the meantime, if you know or think you know anything about the case, please dial 800-222-2-847-repeat, 800-22-2-847-7. We wait

as justice unfolds. Now, we remember an American hero, Sheriff Robert Rogers, Wilcox County Sheriff's, Georgia, killed in the line of duty after 22 years in law enforcement, leaving behind a grieving widow, Haley, and son, Robert. American hero. Sheriff Robert Rogers. Nancy Gray, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast, guaranteed human.