Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Fort Hood Soldier missing. Foul play suspected. Help us find Vanessa Guillen!

Episode Date: June 24, 2020

Private first class Vanessa Guillen has been missing for over two months. Now the Army says “foul play” is involved in her disappearance. Searches at Fort Hood are ongoing, but there are few leads. The leads investigators did have are falling apart as a supervisor who said he say Guillen now says he didn’t.Joining Nancy Grace today: Myra Guillen- Sister of Vanessa Jim Elliott- Attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for various Georgia municipalities and other governmental entities Dr. Angela Arnold Psychiatrist, Atlanta Ga Cloyd Steiger – 36 years with Seattle Police Department, 22-year homicide detective, Author of “Seattle’s Forgotten Serial Killer-Gary Gene Grant” Olivia Levada- Reporter, KXXV TV Tim Miller- Texas EquuSearch founder Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. A gorgeous woman goes missing and to compound it, she's a soldier. According to many, the Army seemingly is closing ranks around the search for Vanessa. But why? seemingly is closing ranks around the search for Vanessa. But why? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and let's kick it off.

Take a listen to this. Investigators say the 20-year-old soldier was last seen April 22nd at 1 p.m. She was a family-oriented girl. She was somebody that would come home instead of going to parties to nearby cities like Austin, Dallas. You know, it would be easy for her to choose the other route. I know she would come home every weekend to us. Myra says her sister means the world to her and she'd do anything to find her. I love her and I'm not going to stop. I'm not going to stop until I have her with me because I'm trying my best. I know she needs me. The Army CID is encouraging anyone with information to come forward, even if you choose to remain anonymous.

What the hay is going on? She's been missing since April. Guys, you were just hearing our friend, news reporter Jasmine Caldwell. Where is Vanessa? Joining me right now, an all-star panel, starting with Jim Elliott, renowned attorney joining us from butlersnow.com representing multiple municipalities dr angela arnold psychiatrist joining me from the atlanta jurisdiction cloyd steiger 36 years seattle pd 22 of that in homicide author of seattle's forgotten serial killer gary gene grant you can find him at cloydsteiger.com. Our longtime friend and colleague from Texas EquiSearch, a victim turned victim's hero, Tim Miller. But right now,

straight out to Olivia LaVada with KXXV-TV. Olivia, thank you for being with us. I don't like this one bit. We've been on this case from the beginning and I've seen little to none movement on the search for Vanessa. In fact, as you know, Olivia, I have just been gone on an RV trip with my children and I hear remains found near Fort Hood. And I went, oh dear Lord in heaven, it's Vanessa. Turns out it's somebody else that's been missing from Fort Hood for a year. I'll circle back to the other missing person, the other dead body. Let's focus on Vanessa. Let's start at the beginning, Olivia. I feel like the Army's not really helping as much as it should. And I wonder, are they trying to cover something

up? I can't help but wonder that I don't want to accuse them but when they're not forthcoming it seems to take on a nefarious bent let's stick with the facts uh start at the beginning when Vanessa goes missing Olivia LaVada yes Nancy well Vanessa Guillen has been missing since April 22nd. So that is just over two months. We know that she is assigned to the 3rd Cavalry Regiment here at Fort Hood, and she was last seen on April 22nd in the parking lot of her regimental engineer squadron. That's the last time someone saw her.

Now, you say, Olivia Levada, that she was last seen April 22 near her regimental squadron. So let me narrow in on that. Was she inside or outside? When they saw her, they saw her in a parking lot. Parking lot. When you say squadron, does that mean near her where she was working or near where she lived, her barracks? Near where she was working. Okay.

How close were her barracks where she lived to where she worked? I do not know the answer to that. I'm very curious about that. I wonder if she's leaving work or if she is coming back to work. At what time of the day was it that she was last spotted, Olivia, if you could refresh my recollection? There's been some discrepancies with the timeline, but we know that she was seen sometime around, in the afternoon, around noon or one, and the last time she actually had correspondence was 1130. Now, right there, Cloyd Steiger, 36 years Seattle PD. I would think of all places the Army would have surveillance videos. So why don't we know what time she was in the parking lot? Yeah, I was

exactly thinking that same thing. There must be surveillance videos all over there. The gate, cars coming and going from the fort. I don't know why. Maybe they do have something. They're just not sharing it. I don't know why. I wonder why they wouldn't, because that would have her exact outfit on it and everything you need to start a search. Back to you, Olivia LaVada, KXXVTV. Olivia, it's my understanding she was not in a typical Army uniform. Please don't get me wrong. My father was in the military. My father-in-law was in the military. All for the military. But when it comes to a missing person, I would think that they would have that security surveillance video released ASAP day one. And I haven't seen any of it. And the reason I ask is

because she wasn't wearing a typical army style uniform to my understanding. What was she wearing when she went missing, Olivia? She was wearing a black T-shirt and leggings. A black T-shirt and leggings. And that was okay to wear that to work, am I correct? That's what she was wearing. That's what we were told she was wearing. It is interesting that she wasn't in uniform. I've been informed that that is okay to wear to work. And what exactly did she do, Olivia, based on what she did?

Specifically, what was her job within the military? I know that on that day, she was working in the armory room. To you, Tim Miller, Texas EquiSearch. Guys, Tim Miller, his family, a crime victim themselves, when his daughter goes missing and is found dead, who takes upon himself to start looking for missing people and has devoted his life to that. Tim Miller, specifically, she worked in the armory, and that is a hands-on technical job. She was not required to wear full Army uniform, I have been told. The reason I'm bringing that out, Tim Miller, is because for anyone looking for Vanessa Guillen, she's not going to have been

wearing green camouflage fatigues that day. That's not what she had on. And I'm curious, and I'm wondering if you are too, why surveillance video of her exactly in that outfit has not been released by Fort Hood. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Well, you know what, Nancy, that's a good question, but they did not have surveillance. You know, everybody was kind of beating the military up in the beginning, and still today there was no surveillance she actually was not supposed to work that day and then she got called in the work which there's a big question mark why why that happened so when when she was reportedly last seen yes there is a lot of discrepancy in that whether she really was last seen or not now this is actually the fifth time that we've been up here.

And, you know, in a perfect world, we're going to have surveillance cameras. In a perfect world, somebody is seeing something is going to come forward. And, unfortunately, we don't live in that perfect world. Somebody finally did come forward. They thought that they saw something. And as we know, Nancy, to go ahead and get phone records and credit card records and things like that, we have to have a judge go ahead and sign, and there's got to be reason for them to sign. And we can't go deep in the investigation, but, you know, somebody did come forward.

They thought they saw something. It was very credible information. So then they could go ahead and get subpoenaed on some things. And that's what actually put us out there by the Leon River where we were searching. I'm not going to say what we found out there. Of course, we did not find her. We did not find her. And the search continues, but we certainly found things that appear to be evidence that was taken in and

literally being processed as we speak. I think that we're getting closer. I feel as though some things are going to break. And in defense to the military, of course, they really did not have anything to go on. And again, if somebody would have came forward earlier, we probably would not be here today. But now, of course, we got to work with what we have. You're so right about that, Tim Miller. And as you said to start with, it's not always a perfect world. You say there was not surveillance video, but I find it very difficult to believe that there is not somebody manning a gate or a post going in and out of Fort Hood that would have been able to identify Vanessa Guillen if she had left that day. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young girl, just 20 years old. She was in small arms machinery repair. For some reason, as you just heard,

she was not supposed to work that day, but she mysteriously got called in and then goes missing basically before lunchtime is done. One sergeant came forward and said that he saw her and then later recanted that. Why? Now we are hearing no surveillance video in the area where she went missing. Who would have known there were no cameras there? Where is 20-year-old Vanessa Ginn? Take a listen now to KCEN-TV News Anchor. Military officials need your help locating this missing Fort Hood soldier.

This is 20-year-old Private First Class Vanessa Gillian. She was last seen Wednesday afternoon in the parking lot of her squadron headquarters on base. Authorities say her car keys, ID card, and wallet were all found in the armory room where she was working earlier in the day. A Be On The Lookout or BOLO notice has been issued to surrounding law enforcement ID card and wallet were all found in the armory room where she was working earlier in the day. A be on the lookout or bolo notice has been issued to surrounding law enforcement and an extensive search is underway. Gillian is 5 foot 2, 126 pounds and was last seen wearing a black shirt. Anyone with information on her whereabouts should call military police. Jim Elliott, attorney with Butler Snow Legal Counsel for multiple municipalities. Jim

Elliott, you earlier heard Tim Miller for Texas EquiSearch state that there was not really enough evidence for PC probable cause to get cell phone records, credit card, ATM, and so forth. I completely disagree. The family has repeated over and over that she would not have left without telling them. There's no sign, hide no hair of her, her cell phone, her car keys, her ID card, and her wallet, not cell phone, were all found in the armory room where she had been working that day but she's not seen since lunchtime if you were going to go on a walkabout or disappear off with your boyfriend let's say on your own you wouldn't leave in the middle of a work day she had been called into work if you were going to leave and didn't want anyone to find you, you would leave after work,

not just go AWOL at work. So what does it take to get a subpoena ducas tecum, a subpoena for documents, for instance, cell phone records, triangulation, that sort of evidence we really need? What do you have to do, Jim Elliott? Well, you know, what you have here is kind of an interesting mix of jurisdictions because you have the local police and then? Well, you know, what you have here is kind of an interesting mix of jurisdictions because you have the local police and then you have, of course, the federal property and the right of the military police to control the matter. So that probably played a role, frankly, in the hesitation to move forward. Be specific. Be blunt with me. What do you mean it probably played a role? What probably played a role in what?

The local police probably were hesitant to exert jurisdiction because of the role of the military police and the federal government. Well, in other words, they're stepping on their own, let me just say, belt. Take a listen now to ABC 13 Houston News reporter Steve Campbell. Vanessa Guillen's sister says the missing soldier's parents keep pleading for information, praying for a miracle. The Army is battling back growing criticism and outrage on social media that they're not doing enough to find one of their own. The Army released photos saying they show soldiers searching Fort Hood for any sign of the missing 20-year-old. A sergeant said in a news release, quote, No one really understands how much we're searching.

I hope we can find her, and as much as I know America has faith in us to protect this country and to fight for our nation, I feel like they should have faith in us to know that we are doing everything possible to find her, end quote. Texas EquiSearch told us they'll be back in clean next week, helping the military. The news comes just a day after the Army says they're launching an investigation into allegations. Gian was sexually harassed on base

prior to her disappearance. It's hard because if it happened inside the military base, it has to be someone that had access to get inside. Every time that I come, I get fingerprinted, picture taken, everything. Driver's license checked, everything.

So I'm allowed in. You're hearing the voice of Vanessa's sister, Myra, just to get on base to see her sister. Now, keep this in mind. The sister, Vanessa, who's missing, is at the Army Base Fort Hood. The family lives a couple hours away. Jackie, if you could remind me how far away they live, like an hour and a half, two hours away. And Vanessa would come home every weekend to see her family and her boyfriend. And let me tell you right up front, the boyfriend has been placed in a different city at the time Vanessa goes missing. That's the first place you always look. family and her boyfriend. And let me tell you right up front, the boyfriend has been placed

in a different city at the time Vanessa goes missing. That's the first place you always look. So if the sister has to go through that in order to get on base, that tells me some stranger didn't lurk on the base and snatch Vanessa. Now straight back out to Olivia Leveda, KXXV TV. What can you tell me about these sex harassment complaints? One that she, Vanessa, spoke of just before she goes missing. Yes. So from my understanding and from what I've been told a few weeks before she went missing, she shared with several sexual harassment encounters. What I was told is there was one instance where a sergeant walked in on Vanessa when she was showering and she felt very uncomfortable about

that. Another example that's been shared by the family is that a sergeant was saying something inappropriate in Spanish to Vanessa. And they've also shared that a sergeant had been following her when she ran and as she exercised. Okay, right there. Chloe Steiger, 36 years Seattle PD, 22 of that on homicide. You got a guy allegedly following you when you jog? I mean, hello? That's like a red flag being waved right in our faces, Floyd.

Yeah, it sure is. You know, and that shouldn't be that difficult to identify this guy and find out where he was and check his alibi and zero down on him. Who knows if they've done that? But he's obviously the first place to check after you write the boyfriend would be the first. But not so much on a military basis. He's not military. His access is a problem.

So the first thing you've got to know is the guy who did this is probably military. And go from there. And this is the first place you look. Guys, again, in defense of the Army, Fort Hood is about 214,000 acres. So that's a huge area to search. Jackie's telling me the family is in Houston about three hours away. So it's my understanding Vanessa would go home on weekends. Very curious the way this whole thing is playing out. Joining me right now is a renowned psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Dr. Angela Arnold. Dr. Angela, do you know the vast majority of women that are sex harassed at work never say a word? Why is that, Dr. Angela?

I believe it's for the exact reason that Vanessa said a word. Why is that, Dr. Angela? I believe it's for the exact reason that Vanessa said a word. They're fearful for their job. How do they know how that is going to be taken? And it goes on. I'm sorry, you're cutting out on me. Could you repeat that, please? It goes on all the time, Nancy. I have patients come to my office. I have all different kinds of patients that come and see me. And they talk to me about the sexual harassment all the time and how there is absolutely no one that they can talk to about that because they fear for their job.

Or let's say if you are in a position, just let's just pretend as a prosecutor and you get sex harassed by, let's just say a judge, what are you going to do? Jeopardize your case and let the victims down, cause a mistrial. I mean, there are, put yourself in her shoes. And then you get a reputation. Yeah, and what other judge would want you? Put yourself in Vanessa's shoes. If she were being sex harassed at work and she complained, would it ruin her career in the Army? Which she had always wanted to do. She had always wanted to be in the Army.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the disappearance of a beautiful 20-year-old young woman whose future was bright within the Army. Now her family is begging to help find her, for us to help find her. The tip line is 254-495-7767. Repeat, 254-495-7767. Now, that is for the Army CID. I want to give you another number. This is for the League of United Latin American Citizens, 214-941-8300.

214-941-8300. Won't you help us? Please find Vanessa. I've spoken at length with her sister, who is often too distraught to even speak of it. Guys, I find it very difficult to believe that there's no connection between Vanessa discussing sex harassment at work and then suddenly she goes missing. Take a listen to KHOU 11 news reporter David Gonzalez. The 20-year-old soldier was last seen on April 22nd. Her cell phone has not been found, but the rest of her belongings were found on the post. Vanessa's family claims she disappeared after telling them she had been

sexually assaulted. Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia joined them in a call for action. We need to get to the bottom of t sure that we look at every single allegation that is case outside of Fort Hood to hold vigils and protes There's a saying in the m soldier behind. We cannot

We cannot leave her cannot leave her family b to see a more transparent family says all the Chavis wanted to do was serve thi June 10th. It's been two been serving for our count find it fair that they, w advantage of her, took her liberty away.

Joining me, Olivia Levede, KXXV-TV reporter. Olivia, I'm very curious as to the entry-exit point of Fort Hood. Is there surveillance video there, and is there a gate that is armed? Is somebody there? So I have gone on to fort hood to do several stories um as we mentioned earlier it's not easy to access fort hood fort hood has several exits and entries several gates um there's also there's always armed guards at the gate. When I go to Fort Hood, I have to be escorted onto the military post. They have to check your ID.

So, like I said, several entrances and exits, and they are all armed and guarded. So how the hay would Vanessa have gotten off the base and nobody noticed if every exit is covered by an armed guard? Straight back out to our friend Tim Miller with Texas EquiSearch. What about that, Tim? If she is off that base, how did she get off with nobody seeing her? Well, you know what? You can drive off that base with nobody seeing you. You are not checked when you go off that base i've been on that base

many many times no you can drive off that base driving back on the base then you got to show your visitor's pass or your military id but no i feel as though the spot that she went off of the base uh we went off that exit several times and no you are not checked when you drive out you can drive nobody knows that's a critical piece of the puzzle you're checked when you come in but not when you leave let me ask you this is that your experience olivia levada were you checked when you left yes i i agree with him you basically when i leave i am not escorted off of Fort Hood. So she could have left without anyone noticing whether she was in the front seat of a car, the back seat, or in the trunk of a car. Let me go back to you, Tim Miller, Texas EquiSearch. You are searching, you have been

searching a body of water. What led you there? Well, you know, there's things, again, in the investigation that literally just popped up where they could go ahead and get some subpoenas and search warrants and stuff that led us there now we do know where vanessa's phone ended up uh i mean the area her phone has not been located uh but yeah the military jumped on that immediately we know the area that the phone went dead, and I can say that area where the phone went dead is very, very close to where she was working. Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on just a second, because we first had reports that her phone had, the Army told the sister her phone pinged in Belton, a 20-minute drive from Fort Hood.

But then the sister, Myra, told me she was advised that was incorrect, that the phone did not ping in Belton. So I hope that's not what you're talking about. No, that actually was a false ping, Nancy, when they pinged the phone. That was a false one. The phone actually went dead. We know what time the phone went dead that day that she did disappear, very, very close to where she was last seen.

Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. You just said her phone went dead that day very close to where she was last seen. Did I understand that correctly? You understood that correctly. So her phone goes dead the day she goes missing in that parking lot at Fort Hood. Is that right? That is correct. And now if the phone is turned off, believe it or not, they can still track that phone. The only way the phone would have went dead that quick is probably if it was thrown in water so we feel as though

that is very strong possibility there's a birdbath lake that is right there we actually sonar that we've done extensive searches for her phone the phone has not shown up but when i was sonar in that lake it has such a grassy bottom and everything it'd be nearly impossible to find two locators i'm hearing two different things tim tim miller from equi search and i think both of what i'm hearing from you are true it's just that i don't understand it we were told she was last seen in a parking lot there at fort hood near the armory where she worked. Correct. Now, you're saying that you searched the area where she was last seen, and that was near water.

Those two don't fit together. Are you telling me there was a search, there was a spotting of her near the water after she was in the parking lot? Possibly. Her phone was thrown in the water, and that in the parking lot? Possibly. Her phone was thrown in the water, and that's where it went dead. That's why the last ping was so close right there to where she was working. Is the water near where she was working? Yes, ma'am. How close?

Oh, eighth of a mile. Oh, okay. Now I'm understanding what you're saying. I thought you meant the phone was in the parking lot somewhere. But you're saying she was last seen, we think, in that parking lot, although that sergeant then recanted that, and her phone pinged near the water. Yeah, well, near the water is near the armory. I understand.

Yeah, so whether that phone was thrown in that water or not, we don't know. You know, from where it was last pinged and where it went dead, we felt as though, and everybody felt as though that strong possibility it was put in the water. That's why it immediately died and couldn't get any more. Tim Miller, can you tell us if the phone was turned off or if it just went dead? Can they tell that? Yeah, they can tell that. And if the phone was just turned off, it would still get tower reports if the phone was traveling.

But the phone went immediately dead and that's why they feel as though that phone was thrown in some water to immediately kill it. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance of a 20-year-old private first class in the Army, Vanessa Ginn. And a lot of mystery is shrouding the facts around her disappearance. We believe she went missing there at work, called in mysteriously on a day off at Fort Hood. This is just days after revealing she had been sex harassed multiple times within the Army. Now, the case has gained the attention of the beautiful and talented Salma Hayek.

Take a listen. It's been almost two months since Vanessa Guillen has been heard from or seen, and her family has continued to push for answers. But this week, it seems there's been a new energy brought to her case. Selma Hayek posted about the missing Fort Hood soldier twice in 24 hours, and that's major because she has 15 million people chanting her name, wearing shirts with her face on it. Where is Vanessa? This is just such a mystery to Gans family. They say this isn't like her at all. She hasn't been seen or heard from since April 22nd. All of her things were found in the armory where she was working except for her cell phone. Her family says she was having a problem

with someone else at Fort Hood before her disappearance. They are keeping hope that the 20-year-old Houston native is still alive. Let is LULAC, League of United Latin American Citizens, 214-914-8300. Repeat, 214-941-8300. Not only has Salma Hayek joined in the effort to find Vanessa, take a listen now to ABC 13 Houston reporter Steve Campion. Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia is now involved after family said Vanessa expressed being sexually harassed prior to her disappearance. The military says they've received no credible information

about those allegations. A spokesperson told us in a statement, quote, we are completely committed to finding Vanessa and aggressively going after every single piece of credible information and every lead in this investigation. We will not stop until we find Vanessa, end quote. Today, we learned Texas EquiSearch founder Tim Miller plans to return to Fort Hood as they hope to help in search efforts. Would I suggest that foul in this? What do you know to say yes. I mean, this I suspected. I think every

involved suspects that. B and stuff are keeping it and the outrage, the grow to be only mounting by the day. Her family plans to go to Fort Hood on Thursday again. The reward is now over $50,000 for information about Vanessa. As a matter of fact, it's $50,000 and growing and then to further muddy the water we find out that remains are found near Fort Hood Army Base and they are another young person another young service person in their 20s to Olivia LaVita KXXVTV wow that's quite the coinkydink that a nobody at Fort Hood seems to know anything about

Vanessa Ginn's sex harassment concerns and to another body of a missing person pops up at Fort Hood. Wow, that's certainly something, isn't it? What can you tell me about the remains found? So the remains were found this past Friday. CID, the U.S. Army CID, received a tip about a body in a field just a couple of miles away from Fort Hood. And Friday night, there was a lot of speculation on who that person could be. We knew the Army was involved. I also knew that there were two missing soldiers. Vanessa Guillen has been taking headlines and things like that.

But we've also been looking for Private Second Class Gregory Morales since August 2019. And it was later confirmed that it was him after almost a year of him being missing and him just vanishing from Killeen, which is the city right outside Fort Hood. Now, it's my understanding that this young man was last seen driving his own vehicle. I find it very difficult to understand. Why did he just happen to turn up body only in a field about a mile away from Fort Hood? Where was his car? What happened to him? And isn't it true he had issues and he was about to be discharged from the Army, correct? Yes, this is true.

He was just days away from being discharged and um you're exactly right he was last seen driving his car in Killeen I know that um there wasn't a reward for um information leading to his whereabouts until recently so I'm not sure if that has something to do with the tip coming in. But like I said, we've been covering stories on him for months. To Chloe Steiger, 36-year Seattle PD. Chloe, so you've got two young service people, very young, in their early 20s. One is about to be discharged. I'm very curious why. Had he made some sort of a complaint about something that was happening?

Was he having an issue at Fort Hood? And then you have Vanessa Guillen, who is being sex harassed, according to her. I have no reason to disbelieve her. And now she goes missing. That's quite the coincidence, Cloyd Steiger. It is. Although Fort Hood is a very big base

with a lot of people there. And, you know, I live near Fort Lewis, Washington, which is a comparably sized base. And things like that happen here too. Oh, people go missing and vanish without a trace? Or their bodies are found.

Yeah. It's pretty regular. But yeah, I mean, but you've got to look at these things individually. Well, it's a big thing, just like any big city. It is a big city. So of all the people that live there

and things happen and maybe they're related, but maybe they're not. That's true. They can't be lumped together. But to me, that's a big red flag. To Dr. Angela Arnold,

psychiatrist joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Dr. Angela, the Army is saying they knew nothing about the sex harassment complaints. What do you make of that? I mean, that could be true. I'm not sure that I buy it. Well, I don't buy it. She made a complaint. How could they not know about it? So did they cover it up from the very beginning? She did not make a formal complaint, Dr. Angela. I know where you're getting that. She complained to her family. She did not file a formal complaint because she was afraid it would ruin her Army career.

She'd be over. And she's probably right. And I believe she was very afraid, Nancy, because she never mentioned the person's issues, other sex harass complaints that were happening to her, either with a coworker or a superior there at Fort Hood. So to Jim Elliott, Attorney Butler Snow joining us, isn't it true, although the law says there's not supposed to be retaliation once you file a sex harassment complaint. Very often there is retaliation. Isn't that true?

Absolutely. And, you know, that happens a lot. And that is, to your guest's earlier comment about why women, I guess others, don't bring those up because they know they'll be a net effect on their career. The other thing, Nancy, I'll say, I mean, to me, gosh, murdering someone in retaliation for sexual harassment allegations seems ridiculous, but let's think about the other person. That would ruin their career as well. Ruin their career, ruin their relationship with their wife or girlfriend if they have one. Any of a number of things.

Any number of repercussions. Guys, we joined the search for Vanessa Guillen. 214-941-8300. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.