Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - FREAK DIDDY: LINED WALLS, CEILING OF $500K ‘FREAK-OFFS’ WITH HUNDREDS OF MIRRORS: ‘WALL-TO-WALL' DEBAUCHERY

Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Freak ditty. Eyewitnesses described lined walls. No, I've got to ad lib that. Three, two, one. Breaking news tonight. Freak Diddy. Eyewitnesses describe floor, walls, and ceiling $500,000 of mirrors. Floor, wall, and ceiling covered in mirrors for, quote, wall to wall debauchery.

Starting point is 00:00:50 At Sean Combs' sex free coughs, prosecutors say a ruse for rape. This as a lawyer warns celebrities pay up or face reputation damning lawsuits. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Joining us, an all-star panel to make sense of what we are learning. Half a million dollars worth of mirrors. I guess so. Diddy can see sex no matter where he looks, up, down, or sideways. That's a whole nother can of worms. Joining us tonight, special guest Courtney B. and his lawyer, Ariel Mitchell. But first, to Hermania Rodriguez, chief U.S. reporter with Daily Mail and star of the podcast, The Trial of Diddy.

Starting point is 00:01:43 Hermania, thank you for being with us. What am I hearing that celebs are offering people? Not only are they being threatened, either pay up or you're going to be part of a smear campaign, but that they are actually paying alleged victims not to testify? Well, this actually came from another hip-hop star, Ray J, who claimed that he knows that celebrities are scared out there and reaching out to potential victims and offering them money in a typical catch-at-keep story, so their names never come out in these stories.

Starting point is 00:02:22 So I guess the short answer to that would be yes, and you're right, Harmonia. It's all coming from Ray J. Listen. I'm hearing about artists paying victims to keep their name out of it. -♪ Do you know people who have had demands put upon them where they have paid off to keep this quiet? Here's what I do know. People do catch and kills all day and a catch and kill, I

Starting point is 00:02:55 don't know if of course you know, but for the regular world, somebody has the truth, somebody pays you to keep it quiet, and hopefully that money that you got paid secures your happiness while you watch the lie continue to succeed. I want you to make sure I understand you. What you're saying is what? That you know people who have been approached

Starting point is 00:03:24 by women, men, whatever, who have said, give me money and I won't talk? Here's the other way around that, Harvey. I'll give you money. Please don't talk. Sounds like Ray J is doing everything he can not to answer a direct question from our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ. That's where he got that footage. And it's from their new docuseries, The Downfall of Diddy Inside the Freak Offs. And you can see it is streaming on Tubi for free. Okay. Let me understand what I'm hearing. Joining us, Ariel Mitchell, who is very intensely involved in this case, representing a client involving allegations against Sean Combs.

Starting point is 00:04:09 Ariel Mitchell, what I perceive, what I interpret Ray J saying, and Levin's trying to nail him down, is that people, celebs, and others are willing to pay to keep their name out of this case, out of Sean Combs' case. I think what Ray J. was saying is in general, these catch and kills are happening every day, all day, and they will continue to happen. But in this situation, any lawyer who sends out a demand letter would send it out to anybody they intend to sue,

Starting point is 00:04:42 which would probably be to individuals related to Diddy who that case may affect. So to that point, I think that is happening. Before I filed my first case, I did reach out to several individuals who we ended up filing lawsuits against to see if they were interested in pre-litigation settlement is what it's called.

Starting point is 00:05:02 They wanna talk to me. They wanna talk to me about what it's called. They want to talk to me. They want to talk to me about what happened to them. They call me. They feel like they can trust me. Wait a minute. Calling you, calling you for what? Calling you for what? Because they want to tell me about certain things that happened with them and Diddy. Ray, I want to make sure I understand this. Are these high profile people calling you because they've had some affiliation with Diddy that they don't want to come out

Starting point is 00:05:31 and they think you might be the vessel for it coming out? Is that what you're saying? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. And I don't even know why I just said it, but I said it, so what? Now they gotta be mad. Come get me. F*** it.

Starting point is 00:05:47 Were they specific about what they did with Diddy? I don't want to say. I think I said too much. Sounds like to me, Mr. Ray J needs to be talking to federal investigators and not to Harvey 11. My friend, of course, I'm glad he did speak to 11 and 11 is trying his best to nail him down for answers. That video just saw you just saw us from our friends at TMZ from their new docuseries, The Downfall of Diddy Inside the Freak Offs. And there are allegations coming from other angles in addition to Ray J. Listen.

Starting point is 00:06:28 In my view, if you were there and you knew somebody was being drugged because you had seen it happen in a previous party or a previous situation and you didn't do anything and you allowed it to happen and you continue to enjoy yourself and party and whoop and holler and have a good time, as far as I'm concerned, you are just as liable as the individual who shipped the person in, who paid the persons that were there, who kept them longer than they thought they were going to be there, who bought the drugs, who took the money out of the bank, who put the drugs in a little shot of either a lemon shot or some sort of champagne and participated in this egregious conduct, you're just as guilty as far as I'm concerned.

Starting point is 00:07:14 Hermania Rodriguez joining us, chief U.S. reporter with DailyMail.com and star of the Trial of Didi podcast. Hermania, what exactly is the lawyer saying? So this lawyer says he's representing more than 100 victims of Diddy. And he has said that the victimizers include other celebrities, businessmen, politicians. And he said that he has already sent letters demanding that they pay up if they don't want to face civil lawsuits for what they did with Diddy, allegedly. Joining me now is a special guest, Courtney B. Now, you may know him by his full name, but since he first went public about his knowledge of the Sean Puffy Combs case,

Starting point is 00:07:58 he has actually been getting death threats. Straight out to you, Courtney, thank you for being with us. What is your connection or was your connection with Sean Combs? Connection is just being in the music business together. You know, I came up with Tupac. He came up with that. Let me talk to you about the current case against Sean Combs, Mr. B. What kind of depth threats have you been getting since you first came out with your knowledge? They called me pieces from Little Italy, Little New York and from Maryland. They all started calling me pizza. It was a thing said on YouTube or Instagram that him and his son said, get rid of pizza. Courtney, you state that you have tapes of free coughs.

Starting point is 00:08:53 Did you take the video yourself? No, I never was in the company of, never, never went to a party. Then where did they come from? Stuart gave it to me. He was on the phone with Kim. He was up in Atlanta recording with this artist I had. And they lightly asked me to cut his hair. And then after his hair was cut, somebody called and said, will you go out to dinner

Starting point is 00:09:20 with me and stay the night? And I got real furious over it. I said, no. I was going through a hall. That's where Mr. Stone was there. And he said, hold up. I want to talk to my man, Courtney B. And I heard a voice say, Courtney B. I know him.

Starting point is 00:09:33 Put him on the phone. He said, you don't know Courtney B. She said, yeah, I'm Thomas Kent. So he put it on speaker. He said, yo, someone want to speak to you. It was Kim. And I didn't really want to talk because I bought i bought this guy all the way to atlanta from newfound new jersey to record to sign over to rally but they told him cut his hair he said

Starting point is 00:09:51 court i can't cut my hair my grandmother and my mother grew him as a kid so i had to convince him to cut it like this what they wanted they went from haircutting to sleeping with him to going to dinner to you know and they got me so fed. I didn't want to talk to him or kill him at the time. So when I was out in the car going back and forth on the phone, he came out and said, yo, she really want to talk to you. She got something for you. I said, I'm going to a hotel. He said, where you at?

Starting point is 00:10:14 I said, I'm staying at a house out at the airport. So he came and he gave me the flash drive. I thought it was an artist. I didn't know what it was. I thought it was something she wanted me to hear. At the time, I had explained to this mother and father that her son had stopped being signed. Are you telling me that you got the tapes from Kim Porter? They were given to you through an intermediary from Kim Porter?

Starting point is 00:10:35 Yes. Okay. What do the tapes depict? It depicts sex, people getting high, drunk, a lot of celebrities, words that she was, she made it like it was a diary or a memo or whatever it was. At the time, the first one I got was 2008, and then he, Morris came and then he was killed. So it scared me a little bit because he got killed and then Chris Lightly got killed.

Starting point is 00:11:08 In the videos, in the tapes, Courtney B, do women appear to be drugged or drunk? Compared to be stuck, like in a trance, because one of them was on a table and he was eating off of her. You know what I'm saying? And they was, you know, I'm looking at this girl straight naked and she don't feel like she's embarrassed or anything. Water poured on her, whatever it was, cups. Yeah, it seemed like there was more in the trance than more than drunk.

Starting point is 00:11:44 Because when you're drunk, you're usually slurring. A trance. Yes. What else did you observe? I observed a lot. It was a lot. You know, I didn't watch it all because I don't like seeing two males having sex. I'm not into it.

Starting point is 00:11:57 Courtney B., you state that you don't want to say too much because of, as you said, Homeland, I think you said. Then why, may I ask, did you give a press conference? Because then people started, someone tried to distort me, said, if you don't give me more stuff, I'm going to tell them who you are and who you got the stuff from. So I didn't want it to go past me because people got famines and I got famines. So I came out and gave it to Sid. I was the one who gave him the memoir, the book. Do you have an edited manuscript of Kim Porter's book? Yes. What do you make of claims by her children that the memoir was not by her? I look at it as their mother. They want to defend their mother. But you got to understand other people with somebody's mother and daughter as well well i believe the sons had something to do with it as well because

Starting point is 00:12:49 how the film was shot didi couldn't control the focus on it um two that i think they anticipated some and of course you know it's their mother who don't want and i'd like to apologize to the family about the mother i didn't put a picture on the book. That wasn't my work. I think she got to a point that she was with it because it showed that she was foursome, couples on couples, and her lover was in there, who she was

Starting point is 00:13:15 a sexual wit. So, you know, a scorned woman going to say her last words to be known. Courtney B., what do you think about Ray J.'s claims to our friend Harvey Levin? It's not a claim. It's a sign to let them know that he's trying to get up money. He don't have anything on it.

Starting point is 00:13:33 Diddy not going to trust him with no tapes or anything. He's Diddy's little boy toy himself. So what he did, he's letting them know to pay him so he could help with Diddy and his family. You know, who trusts Ray J? Diddy helped Ray J with Fabulous, but something's going on between Fabulous and Ray J. You got Fabulous leaving Ray J alone.

Starting point is 00:13:55 What he's doing, he's scaring people out there so they can come to him and put up a fight. In another resurface video, singer gun kelly or mgk describes his wild las vegas new year's eve bender with diddy when he was just 20 years old mgk says diddy escorted him to nine clubs on new year's eve paying for roughly 270 bottles to supply them and an entourage of women eventually mgk tried to say his goodnights, but Diddy told him, we're not going to sleep. The singer says the partying continued for more than 48 hours. A former party planner for Sean Combs reveals the rumor that most Diddy parties

Starting point is 00:14:38 devolved into orgies are true. The planner also claims the parties averaged a $500,000 price tag for food, alcohol, decorations, and entertainment, including acrobats, live animals, and entertainers that Combs called models who were obviously hired sex workers. For one event, Combs demanded an entire room be covered in mirrors so the debauchery could be viewed from every angle imaginable. The planner says Combs' vision was sex everywhere you looked. $500,000 to cover floors, walls, and ceilings with mirrors so Sean Combs could, quote, see sex everywhere you look. That was his, quote, vision. Did Sean Combs redecorate a whole wing, a whole room with hundreds of mirrors for a freak off? And again, whether we like it or not, orgies are not crimes. However, drugging people and then having sex with them while they are in a stupor, much as Courtney B. described, is a crime.

Starting point is 00:15:49 Joining me, Dr. Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst out of L.A. and author of Deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock. Jump in, Bethany. floor to ceiling, across the ceiling, across the floor, mirrors, are because men who commit sexual aggression, sexual assault, are voyeurs. He probably spent a long time assembling these places to assault victims because that was a part of his sexual excitement. That was a part of preparing for these orgies. This, as we learned, that Sean Combs is not languishing in a tiny cell. He's moved on to greener pastures. Listen. While the public has been led to believe Sean Diddy Combs is languishing in a tiny cell at the MDC, it turns out the disgraced mogul is

Starting point is 00:16:38 having a blast behind bars. Combs has been moved to the lowest security unit in the prison, Four North, where he has access to a tablet, cards, music, TV, movies, ping pong, air hockey, and even a peep show. Who needs expensive freak-offs when you can spy on female inmates through a grate in the floor? Joining us, Hermione Rodriguez from Daily Mail. What? Explain to me his new living conditions? Right. So he remains in the same Brooklyn jail, but he hasn't been moved to a part of the jail that's for high profile inmates. In this part of the jail, the president of Honduras has been. Sankt Bankman Fried is also held there. And it's the idea is to keep these famous inmates safe from others. But as you mentioned, it also provides them with a few extra privileges that inmates that have been there before say, include being able to look at the female inmates

Starting point is 00:17:31 who this person said, this former inmate said, the female inmates like to put on a show and even lift up their shirts as they see the male prisoners walk by. So yeah, it sounds like Diddy is in a better situation now that he was at the beginning in the jail. Joining me, Robert Crispin, a private investigator at Crispin Special Investigation, but former federal task force officer with the DOJ and DEA Miami Field Division. You can find him at CrispinInvestigations.com. Robert, why is he, Sean Combs, who has allegedly victimized so many women while they're drugged,

Starting point is 00:18:11 why is he getting to look at female inmates? Well, I'll tell you this. He's got some problems coming, and they're probably moving him down there to give him a little more freedom to get him out of general population where he's going to get stabbed or beat up in the middle of the night. Down in these areas, there's less population, and it's a little bit more easily controlled where, you know, New York jail is going to have a problem on their hand if somebody ends up stabbing Diddy and killing him. A former Playboy model claims Diddy invited her and two friends to a Tokyo party that she now believes was a freak-off.

Starting point is 00:18:49 When Kennedy and two friends arrived at Combs' hotel room, Combs was alone in a bathrobe with a bottle of champagne. Kennedy claims as soon as Combs hung up the phone, he removed his clothing and instructed the women on how to perform oral sex on him. The incident only became frightening when a security guard angrily burst into the room and forced all of the women out the door, angry that Combs slept with his girl from the club. Combs is now housed in a dorm-style unit of the MDC reserved for up to 20 high-profile prisoners. Four North is known to have looser rules than Gen Pop and boasts

Starting point is 00:19:24 marginally better meals than what Combs was receiving on Suicide Watch, including chicken sandwiches, hot dogs, and wings. In addition to many forms of entertainment, Combs is allowed 300 minutes of phone time each month, but to ending sexual exploitation and trafficking and host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube. Lynn, thank you for being with us. his new digs, has the ability to stare at female inmates and is living in a dorm style atmosphere with an upgraded menu. Thoughts? My thoughts are chicken sandwiches and all of this. And he has peepholes where he's able to communicate with women. You couldn't write this. This is a bad Hollywood script. Listen, our sources told us all along he was getting special privileges. We heard this right away. No, I didn't have any proof, but I heard he was getting better food. I heard he was getting special things that other people weren't, such as phone privileges.

Starting point is 00:20:38 I heard all kinds of things, and now it's coming out. But to have holes? This must be done on purpose. Come on now. As a special prisoner, whatever he is, an inmate in this Manhattan detention center, that has been known as a rat's nest for years. He has been put in a spot where he can. I am saying on purpose there are holes in the floor so he can have access to women. This is disgusting. And how did the victims of all sex trafficking or abuse like this exploitation, when they read things and hear things like this, what is going through their minds? They are disgusted. And they will report it to me. They don't expect this case to go

Starting point is 00:21:14 anywhere. Somehow, some way he's going to be cut loose or somebody else is going to be taking the main fall for all of this. But I can't believe we even have to discuss. He's communicating. And I know it's a family show, Nancy, but you know, things they're doing reportedly through these peepholes, I'm disgusted and everybody else should be too. And let's call for what is going on here. We need some answers about this. This is unacceptable. I think what you're referring to is commonly called a glory hole. And I will not elaborate on that. But from what I understand, he has full and unfettered view of female inmates. And it sounds to me, to high-profile lawyer Ariel Mitchell, who is representing many of the alleged victims connected to this case, as well as Courtney B., Ariel, it sounds to me like he is being rewarded.

Starting point is 00:22:01 Sean Combs is being rewarded. Why should he get rewards as opposed to anybody else in MDC? Well, unfortunately, that's the world we live in where celebrities receive better treatment in all scenarios, even when they've committed crimes. So we need to ask ourselves as a society, why are we treating people differently just because they have status, just because they're a celebrity, just because they have money, especially somebody like Diddy, who has committed so many atrocities and so many crimes over the past three decades, spanning numerous. We don't even know how many victims that there really are. We're at hundreds of victims just right now that we know of.

Starting point is 00:22:41 But of course, in our country, in our society, we reward and give people preferential treatment just because of who they are. And that's why he's being rewarded. Back to Lynn Shaw of Lynn's Warriors, and you can hear her on YouTube at Lynn's Warriors. Lynn, I didn't hear your response to the fact that $500,000 worth of refurbishing a large area

Starting point is 00:23:12 so Sean Combs could have floor-to-wall-to-ceiling mirrors during the free coughs. Free cough, what a euphemism. That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. According to prosecutors, what free coughs really are, are drugging and intoxicating women, slipping drugs into their drinks and more. So they have no idea what is happening around them while they are videoed being raped. That's what a free cough is, according to prosecutors. And now we learn, I can't wait for a jury to hear this if it's true, that floor to wall to ceiling is mirrored at Sean Combs' request so he can see sex everywhere he looks. I can't even believe, I'm going to just say it, Nancy, this glory hole guy. I don't want to bring it up before, but we have heard such disgusting reports coming out of Manhattan.

Starting point is 00:24:09 This detention center, we've got our sources here. I'm boots on the ground here in the middle of New York City. People tell me things. Listen, disgusting, disgusting. And Ariel pegged it right away. Money talks, you know, fame, even though all of these horrible alleged crimes, and I put that in air quotes here as I'm standing here, you know, they should have nothing to do with this guy, yet that's what talks in our society. This is the morality going on today. There are probably

Starting point is 00:24:38 thousands and thousands of victims, and I'm just going to say it. You're going to find out. There were minors involved. That is my opinion. That's what I've heard. And how he can even be given mirrors and this and that and chicken sandwiches, whatever he's eating there. You know what? He should eat some bad tuna fish and have some food poisoning. That's what I have to say about this guy, because he is just dominating this whole story with his lawyer. And I'm tired of it. Let's talk about the victims. Let's talk about the victims. Let's talk about the abuse they endured. Let's get this case going and find out who else is involved. Why is he the only one in jail? He had accomplices. He had people booking flights and rooms and this and that,

Starting point is 00:25:16 and women involved. There are always women involved with these pimps, traffickers, whatever we're calling. Joining me now, high- lawyer, Eric Faddis, trial lawyer, TV analyst and partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, former felony prosecutor. Eric, thank you for joining us. Here is the reality, whether people like it or not. In our country, under our U.S. Constitution, you cannot be prosecuted for failure to act. If I stood by and watched you drown in the Mississippi River, I could not be prosecuted for that. I don't have a duty. Of course I would, Eric. I don't have a duty to jump in and try and save you. It's just that simple. So if there are celebrities, which I believe there were at these parties, at some of the free coughs, the fact that they did not intervene does not make them a criminal.

Starting point is 00:26:08 And I also find it really suspicious that everybody's talking about celebrities, but nobody's naming any names. If you've got proof, fine, put up or shut up. Yeah, Nancy, I hear you. And I would save you if you were drowning, too. But yeah, in looking at this, I think there's going to be a lot of folks who are sort of not culpable participants. They were just observers. They were there. But they're caught up in this huge saga for which there is clearly a stigma, for which they may have a negative association going forward professionally and otherwise. And for some of these folks that they frankly this was completely unbeknownst to them. They didn't know what was happening and they were simply at this party. Now, being at a raucous

Starting point is 00:26:49 party is not in and of itself a crime. Now, if they had knowledge of some kind of misconduct and provided material aid, that is where we begin to cross the line between an innocent observer and a culpable participant. In another resurfaced video, singer Machine Gun Kelly, or MGK, describes his wild Las Vegas New Year's Eve bender with Diddy when he was just 20 years old. MGK says Diddy escorted him to nine clubs on New Year's Eve, paying for roughly 270 bottles to supply them and an entourage of women. Eventually, MGK tried to say his goodnights, but Diddy told him, we're not going to sleep. The singer says the partying continued for more than 48 hours.

Starting point is 00:27:37 Real estate experts believe the tales of gigantic orgies and freak-offs at Sean Combs' L.A. mansion are scaring off potential buyers. The stunning 17,000-square-foot property has reportedly attracted no serious offers despite being on the market for more than 60 days. The listing has an asking price of nearly $62 million. But experts say Combs' realtor may have to find a buyer that can look past the headlines, or the home will continue to languish on the market. I wouldn't want to touch that place with a 10-foot pole. Ew! What family's going to want to move into Diddy's Mansion? Everywhere you look, you can imagine a free coffin, smeared

Starting point is 00:28:16 baby oil, laced with GHB. Okay. Apparently, nobody is touching Diddy's mansion. Wow. I wonder why. Straight out to CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter Sydney Sumner. Did I get those figures right? $62 million. It's about $61.3, I believe, is the listing price. And nobody is coming in touch with that home. Apparently, there's been reports that some overseas buyers have been looking into the home, but nothing serious. Nobody wants to move in there. You know, a lot of times, Sydney, you and I have covered cases where after a crime, the whole place is just razed. It's just torn down. Maybe that's what they're going to have to do in this case. Hey, to you, Robert Crispin, this is your neck of the woods. Robert Crispin, private investigator at Crispin Special Investigations, former federal task force, and DEA in Miami. You can find him at crispininvestigations.com. Robert,

Starting point is 00:29:28 have you ever been in a strip club? Of course. Okay. Let me clarify. Your Honor, let me refine my question. Have you ever been in a strip club in waking hours in the daylight? Yes. Many times. I mean, all the magic is gone. I've been in many a strip club in waking hours to find witnesses. And when you look in there in the daylight, it is disgusting. It's filthy. There's like wads of hair, food. It smells. It is disgusting.

Starting point is 00:30:01 And that's just what I can imagine his mansion is like. Right. It. Dead everywhere. And that's why you don't want to sit on the couch. And knowing what went on inside there is nothing that I certainly want to purchase. OK, hold on just a moment. Hold on just a moment. To Lynn Shaw. OK, Lynn, I know you have a very serious mission, which is ending exploitation of women and minors with Lynn's warriors. But I really think what Crispin just unwittingly, I think, said sums up the sale of Diddy's home or the lack thereof. You don't want to sit on a couch. You don't want to sit on a couch. Here's what we hear is going on. We hear that foreign buyers will purchase the property. They will ruin, they will knock down the place, raise the place, and it will just be a parcel of land that somebody will

Starting point is 00:30:56 rebuild on. But you know what I want to do, Nancy? I want to purchase it myself in my dream world, my Linz Warriors, do an exorcism, a cleansing of all, build a beautiful big mansion and start putting in victims of sexual abuse exploitation and give them wraparound services and take this horrible, awful, unending story that has only just begun and turn it into something positive. Turn it around to provide for victims. That's what I want to do in my warrior's world because this guy has gotten away with this for decades, decades, and now we're still waiting. We're still waiting to hear who's involved. Okay, well, I've got some bad news for you. I hate to be the bearer of ill tidings, Lynn, but I imagine that the overseas buyers are going to beat you out. You're not

Starting point is 00:31:46 going to get to turn this into some type of a home for victims. I don't know that they'd want to be there anyway. But that said, the attempted sale of Sean Combs' mansion is just another attempt to raise money. What else is he doing? And why does he need money so desperately? Listen. Once estimated as a billionaire, Sean Combs' legal fees are leaving him strapped for cash. With his Los Angeles mansion failing to sell, Combs has turned to renting out his Gulfstream 550 on the flight share site Victor, dubbed the Uber of private jets. The $60 million distinctive black jet can accommodate up to 14 passengers. A chartered flight from NYC to LA costs a cool $100,000, while a longer flight, say from LA to London, runs upwards of $400,000. And that's right. Sean Combs now renting out his

Starting point is 00:32:40 $60 million private jet. To Sydney Sumner, what can you tell me? Nancy, we know that this plane is available for charter on multiple websites. It's owned by Combs' Love Air LLC. We don't know how much money it's really making him, and it feels like a very desperate attempt to loosen up some more cash. We know that Combs' brand is very heavily tied to his public image, which is currently in the toilet. And he also burned bridges with his biggest income source, Diageo, that was the owner of his liquor companies, Ciroc and De Leon Tequila. So Combs really has no income coming in right now whatsoever. So this feels like a very desperate attempt to generate some cash, but he's also not using the plane.

Starting point is 00:33:34 So it does kind of make sense. Yeah, all those private defense attorneys don't come cheap. I mean, straight back up to you, Faddis, I guarantee you these lawyers are charging, what, $500 to $1,000 an hour? Oh, easy. Yeah, I think the total price tag on this thing has got to be multi-millions. That's just on the legal representation side. And there's more. Listen. Diddy may never regain the immense wealth he accumulated over his career. Many of Combs' income sources relied entirely on his personal brand. Ciroc and DeLeon, Sean John and Revolt TV, for example.

Starting point is 00:34:07 With the current standing of Combs' public image, businesses and big name brands will likely want nothing to do with him. While Combs recently released a new album60 million blacked out private jet. Who is renting this jet for $120,000 one way up to $400,000 for a round trip? Well, guess what? Since he has been behind bars, Sean Combs' jet has flown to French Polynesia, New Zealand, L.A., and Mexico. To Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us out of Beverly Hills, psychoanalyst. Dr. Bethany, who is paying this kind of money to fly on Diddy's jet? You know, Nancy, I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of sex offenders in the general population and people who idealize sexual violence and who are very identified with

Starting point is 00:35:12 it. And I am afraid somebody is going to come forward and buy that $62 million mansion because they will like the memories associated with it. And these are the type of people who want to be on that fancy jet. People who overlook violence, people who love violence, people who want to insert themselves into the notoriety of Sean, Puffy, Combs, Stansy, even the celebrities at those parties. This is not a homogeneous group. This is a group of people. They're all different. And they may have been unwittingly committing crimes themselves because they may have taken drugs. They may have been on ecstasy.

Starting point is 00:35:51 They may have not really known what was happening and then slipped into an offending pattern themselves. And now they are frightened. So we have people on those jets that love P. Diddy, that want to be around him. There is often a glorification of sexual violence, and that is the undercurrent of this story, that sexual violence is prevalent. Well, actually, Dr. Bethany, I think you may be right. Does anybody remember the Playboy Mansion? In 2016, the Playboy Mansion was bought by Darien Metropolis for $100 million. And you know, it wasn't worth $100 million. The buyer wanted to be attached to the image of the Playboy Mansion. Nancy, you wouldn't believe in my Beverly Hills practice,

Starting point is 00:36:46 how many patients of mine talked about going to the Playboy Mansion. And they loved the idea. It made them feel like a celebrity. It made them feel special. And they glorified it. They did not put their thoughts together about women who were being treated as objects. It's like that went out of their mind. Same as Jeffrey Epstein's Island. Look at all the people who went there, philanthropists, billionaires, CEOs, attorneys. And that is because, Nancy,

Starting point is 00:37:19 there is a prevailing attitude in our culture that it's okay to treat women as objects. You know, we were talking earlier about nobody, no one buying Diddy's mansion. Lynn Shaw had an idea about what she wanted to do with the mansion, refurbish it, clean it, number one, with a hose, but then have victims live in it, which is, you know, never going to happen, Bethany, which is never going to happen, Lynn, because nonprofits like yourself could never afford it. Multimillionaires can, but I've got an idea straight back out to high profile lawyer, Eric Faddis joining us. Eric, the money from the sale of that mansion could be ordered to go to victims. But here's the rub, Faddis. He hasn't been convicted of anything. So any money

Starting point is 00:38:16 from the sale of the mansion or the rental of the private jet, which by the way, has had at least 30 trips in the last two months. Somebody's renting that thing for a lot of money. None of that money is going to go to alleged victims because there's not a conviction yet. Yeah, right now, I mean, the money being generated is likely just for his legal team. Those bills have to be out of control. And on top of that, he doesn't have the same income coming in. He doesn't have these deals anymore that are giving him millions of dollars. Now, Nancy, as you know, some states do have civil forfeiture statutes. And if they could link either the property or the airplane with criminal activity, there's at least an argument that prosecutors could try to obtain some of those assets and convert them to some sort of beneficial use that is not paying Diddy's legal fees. Think about it. This blacked out, fully customized jet that Diddy gifted to himself a couple of years ago was his pride and joy. He called it the Uber of private jets.

Starting point is 00:39:26 Now, it's a Gulfstream G550 that Combs referred to as Combs Air. He would use it to shoot his online content while on board and allow celebrity guests to post videos inside conveying an ultra luxurious lifestyle. Okay, that said, 30 trips in the last two months at at least $100,000 one way, that's a lot of money. But right now, Sean Combs is trying to quote, spread the image of love and good energy. Listen. Y'all, it's King Combs. And right now I'm taking over my pops Instagram. We're going to be posting videos by spreading, you know, good energy and taking y'all down memory lane and all the positive things he did. So stay tuned and watch this. Let's go. We love you, Pops. Happy birthday.

Starting point is 00:40:30 That is from Sean Combs' official Instapage. That is his son, King, still trying to support his dad, spreading the love and the good energy. If you know or think you know anything regarding a witness in the Sean Puffy Combs federal indictment, dial toll free 800-200-7474. Nancy Grace signing off. Good night, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.

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